Fallback (when the web drops)

Czymra · 01-07-2009, 08:29 PM

Spree Three

In regard to the Nexus undertaking and possible threats of the internet going down soon I've been musing about consequences and contingencies.

Let's imagine that in a month, the web will be off, or seriously filtered and policed. (Hello police!)

Project Camelot, Project Avalon, The Avalon Forums, Nexus 2012, our community and not to forget, all the other communities, videos, articles, news on the web will be gone or inaccessible or strictly surveilled.

I've got some scenarios that I will play out here and would hope for some reactions, and maybe even a plan to be formed.

Level 1:The web will be there, shutting it off will be impossible but there will be more 'cable breaks', unreachable sites, policing, tracking, blocking. You name it.

Solution 1a:
Your friend and helper, the hacker community.
Get your next techie and learn how to set up tunnels, proxies, p2p. Maybe you're in luck and you won't be held back. Use eMail (unsecure) or instant messaging (not much better) or IRC (maybe) instead.

Solution 1b:
That the 'web' is policed doesn't mean that there's no getting through. Get alternative addresses, multiple accounts, backup boards.
Invent code language, there will not be a vast human force policing you, they will be bots that look for dynamics, counts, words. All that. China leads the way in ever again reinventing new words for the same things to stay stealthy.

Level 2: The web will simply be what it is, but everybody will have to have a unique tracking code. It's your web RFID so to speak. Now where do you go?

Solution 2a:
These codes will be unique. You won't be able to double them up or so. Faking them would become obvious to the system. Thus, the only option might be to use several computers/systems or have other people do your research so you don't hit a limit of "200 visits a day to the Avalon Forum".
The chip is in the system not in your body. Be the crowd!

Solution 2b:
Drop the web. Get personal details ahead of the time, make sure you have the telephone numbers, addresses (yes letters!) or radio agreements with the people you need to be in contact with. Most important however, is WHO do you need to stay in contact with? Does this work for everybody?

Level 3: It's not just the www it's all of it. The phone, the mail, the web, the VoIP, probably radio, you name it!

Solution 3a:
Whoa, it's a lockdown. Anybody else thinking of the 'Mirror's Edge' scenario where vital information is carried ON PAPER, BY PERSONS over rooftops and whatnot through the PHYSICAL WORLD.
( http://www.mirrorsedge.com/ )
Yes, it's back to the messengers baby. (Parcours style, so cool huh?) But this won't work for long distance communication which is a clear disadvantage over satellites, phones and all that.

Solution 3b:
Don't communicate with a specific person. Use the masses. Trust in synchronicities, follow your intuition. Believe in the dynamic behind the people, not the people. Loyalty is so out of date. You have to understand how to manipulate the conscious of the ONE now.

Level 4: Well, they got them satellites out there and really, moving in the physical world even gives you away. Your face, your thumbprints, the way you walk (Genesis!) is a give away. You can't hide.

Solution 4a:
You want a scramble suit!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BWne23FfKW8

Well, maybe you're not so lucky that this will exist by that time and that you'll get one. But hey that sure is some cool symbol of "we're all one".

Solution 4b:
Retreat into the astral world. Now, there's one option that I don't have much to say about. Do I communicate with the ONE or do I try to locate my friend? How do I recognise my friend? Do I need a picture, an figment of his soul, a memory? How do I communicate with him if I can focus on this plane but he/she can't? If we both can, can we actually converse on there? Is all this web stuff out of style anyway? And if so why don't we do it NOW?

Now I know this all sounds like 'hiding' but I don't intend it to be just that. To me it's about organising, uniting and until the point to stand up in unison comes, playing for time.

Thoughts greatly appreciated.

Czymra · 01-07-2009, 08:56 PM

Ah, sorry. This is the wrong section. Can a mod move this to Preparation or so please? My spree just blew me away. Apologies.

Thank you Karen! Hooray for the Mods.

giovonni · 01-08-2009, 01:19 AM

Very good heads up! Anything and at anytime!
note> start downloading info at the new Avalon Library!!
here;
http://www.projectavalon.net/joomla/

PartOfOne · 01-08-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czymra

Solution 1a:
Your friend and helper, the hacker community.
Get your next techie and learn how to set up tunnels, proxies, p2p. Maybe you're in luck and you won't be held back. Use eMail (unsecure) or instant messaging (not much better) or IRC (maybe) instead.

Solution 1b:
That the 'web' is policed doesn't mean that there's no getting through. Get alternative addresses, multiple accounts, backup boards.
Invent code language, there will not be a vast human force policing you, they will be bots that look for dynamics, counts, words. All that. China leads the way in ever again reinventing new words for the same things to stay stealthy.

I totally agree and if you can give some pointers on Solutions 1a and 1b it would be great

henners · 01-08-2009, 10:27 AM

THat is what the ground crews are all about. You must be in contact with the people in your immidiate area from Avalon. Email address, cell numbers, land lines street address etc. So if and when the web goes down, we can still contact each other. Here in Sydney, we have started a data base of members with limited contact details ( for those who are not comfortable giving out all details), so we can pass on the details of the library to all.
Henry

Czymra · 01-08-2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henners

THat is what the ground crews are all about. You must be in contact with the people in your immidiate area from Avalon. Email address, cell numbers, land lines street address etc. So if and when the web goes down, we can still contact each other. Here in Sydney, we have started a data base of members with limited contact details ( for those who are not comfortable giving out all details), so we can pass on the details of the library to all.
Henry

I think I will have to start another effort for London. That group just disintegrated it seems. There are some south England guys though it seems. However Germany, man I at least understand WHY there aren't any, now.

As for the hackers tools, I'll have a look around soon and post more on this topic in detail. However, it'll be hard to come up with techniques that are actually working now. Supposedly known techniques will already be compromised so it's more of a 'get in contact with hackers so they can figure it out when it happens' thing.

Anyway, I expect to be back in a day or so with more information.

EYES WIDE OPEN · 01-08-2009, 12:47 PM

Please see this thread I created yesterday on the same subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9615

Czymra · 01-08-2009, 01:09 PM

If that ain't a synchronicity. Maybe we can get the web only issues to your thread and keep the other issues '1984 style surveillance' issues here.

orthodoxymoron · 01-08-2009, 10:23 PM

Are there any official or even unofficial guidebooks or guidelines regarding internet content or commenting? How does one know if the Powers That Be are highly alarmed with what one is communicating...or if the PTB could care less? There may be some people who are very fearful that they are on multiple lists, and are being closely watched...who raise virtually no red-flags with the PTB. There may be some people who think they are no threat to anyone...who in fact are considered to be extremely dangerous by the PTB. In an appropriate forum, it seems possible to communicate very controversial views in a manner which is constructive to society. Conversely, yelling one word, 'FIRE!!!' in a crowded theater...could result in dozens of people being trampled to death. Finding an appropriate audience to communicate with seems to be a key factor. Some people are very sensitive...and could even become suicidal because of certain comments or information. Perhaps some potentially highly upsetting material could be contained in a portion of a site which could only be accessed after viewing introductory sections of the site. Discussing UFO's, NWO, aliens, religion, politics, corruption, conspiracies, controversies, etc. can be potentially devastating to some people (sometimes even me). If we are not responsible...this will provide the PTB with an excuse to censor or even shut-down the internet. Freedom and Responsibility must never be separated. But just in case...I'm going to look into getting some homing pigeons. But heck...they'll probably RFID chip them too!

Czymra · 01-09-2009, 12:01 AM

What you bring up there is important. One more reason why I believe that you must not hide anything. I don't mean this in the sense of the RFID but you must have a clean consciousness and keep no secrets. It will be harder to accuse you of anything. The PTB still have to justify their actions to the lynch mob before they can drag you off it seems.
Also, not hiding anything makes you one of the many.... well maybe not. Don't ask me for this one.

Regarding some pointers going secure I myself use them very little for the reasons mentioned above. In fact I believe that the efforts done on the other thread are much more viable. I'd appreciate if we could gather some more general ideas here instead of just alternative web solutions. It breeds paranoia too easily.
However, here are some links that might inform you further. I don't know how trustworthy they are and don't count on my judgement here. They are just examples and will give you an idea of what can be done. As mentioned in the original, I have the feeling that these will already be compromised by the time such a method hits. If you however, want to be anonymous now they may be great tools. Just mind that you are anonymous, not invisible.

https://www.secure-tunnel.com/

http://www.anonymous.to/

http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.htm

And most profoundly, Waterman uses this system to set up that 'alternative currency'.

https://ssl.mailvault.com/mailvault.php

This last one especially feels good to me.
Mind again, that you have to evaluate these services yourself. I trust my feeling on this but I haven't used most of these yet and there are loads of technical details to take into consideration.

Pray we never need to make active use of those.

As for code language. Well. Oxymoron what you say about people not being aware of their impact is certainly true. I think there is watching, but as of now it seems that the whole effort looks in hacking attacks or misinformation. Code language doesn't really help anybody in anything but not setting of those flags.

Again, I am only making you guys aware of this. I can't provide concluded solutions.

01-07-2009, 08:29 PM	#1
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Fallback (when the web drops) Spree Three In regard to the Nexus undertaking and possible threats of the internet going down soon I've been musing about consequences and contingencies. Let's imagine that in a month, the web will be off, or seriously filtered and policed. (Hello police!) Project Camelot, Project Avalon, The Avalon Forums, Nexus 2012, our community and not to forget, all the other communities, videos, articles, news on the web will be gone or inaccessible or strictly surveilled. I've got some scenarios that I will play out here and would hope for some reactions, and maybe even a plan to be formed. Level 1:The web will be there, shutting it off will be impossible but there will be more 'cable breaks', unreachable sites, policing, tracking, blocking. You name it. Solution 1a: Your friend and helper, the hacker community. Get your next techie and learn how to set up tunnels, proxies, p2p. Maybe you're in luck and you won't be held back. Use eMail (unsecure) or instant messaging (not much better) or IRC (maybe) instead. Solution 1b: That the 'web' is policed doesn't mean that there's no getting through. Get alternative addresses, multiple accounts, backup boards. Invent code language, there will not be a vast human force policing you, they will be bots that look for dynamics, counts, words. All that. China leads the way in ever again reinventing new words for the same things to stay stealthy. Level 2: The web will simply be what it is, but everybody will have to have a unique tracking code. It's your web RFID so to speak. Now where do you go? Solution 2a: These codes will be unique. You won't be able to double them up or so. Faking them would become obvious to the system. Thus, the only option might be to use several computers/systems or have other people do your research so you don't hit a limit of "200 visits a day to the Avalon Forum". The chip is in the system not in your body. Be the crowd! Solution 2b: Drop the web. Get personal details ahead of the time, make sure you have the telephone numbers, addresses (yes letters!) or radio agreements with the people you need to be in contact with. Most important however, is WHO do you need to stay in contact with? Does this work for everybody? Level 3: It's not just the www it's all of it. The phone, the mail, the web, the VoIP, probably radio, you name it! Solution 3a: Whoa, it's a lockdown. Anybody else thinking of the 'Mirror's Edge' scenario where vital information is carried ON PAPER, BY PERSONS over rooftops and whatnot through the PHYSICAL WORLD. ( http://www.mirrorsedge.com/ ) Yes, it's back to the messengers baby. (Parcours style, so cool huh?) But this won't work for long distance communication which is a clear disadvantage over satellites, phones and all that. Solution 3b: Don't communicate with a specific person. Use the masses. Trust in synchronicities, follow your intuition. Believe in the dynamic behind the people, not the people. Loyalty is so out of date. You have to understand how to manipulate the conscious of the ONE now. Level 4: Well, they got them satellites out there and really, moving in the physical world even gives you away. Your face, your thumbprints, the way you walk (Genesis!) is a give away. You can't hide. Solution 4a: You want a scramble suit! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BWne23FfKW8 Well, maybe you're not so lucky that this will exist by that time and that you'll get one. But hey that sure is some cool symbol of "we're all one". Solution 4b: Retreat into the astral world. Now, there's one option that I don't have much to say about. Do I communicate with the ONE or do I try to locate my friend? How do I recognise my friend? Do I need a picture, an figment of his soul, a memory? How do I communicate with him if I can focus on this plane but he/she can't? If we both can, can we actually converse on there? Is all this web stuff out of style anyway? And if so why don't we do it NOW? Now I know this all sounds like 'hiding' but I don't intend it to be just that. To me it's about organising, uniting and until the point to stand up in unison comes, playing for time. Thoughts greatly appreciated.

01-07-2009, 08:56 PM	#2
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) Ah, sorry. This is the wrong section. Can a mod move this to Preparation or so please? My spree just blew me away. Apologies. Thank you Karen! Hooray for the Mods. Last edited by Czymra; 01-07-2009 at 09:54 PM. Reason: Issue resolved.

01-08-2009, 01:19 AM	#3
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) Very good heads up! Anything and at anytime! note> start downloading info at the new Avalon Library!! here; http://www.projectavalon.net/joomla/

01-08-2009, 10:27 AM	#5
henners Project Avalon Researcher Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 432	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) THat is what the ground crews are all about. You must be in contact with the people in your immidiate area from Avalon. Email address, cell numbers, land lines street address etc. So if and when the web goes down, we can still contact each other. Here in Sydney, we have started a data base of members with limited contact details ( for those who are not comfortable giving out all details), so we can pass on the details of the library to all. Henry __________________ Henners Thoughts are boomerangs, returning with precision to their source. Choose wisely which ones you throw.

01-08-2009, 12:47 PM	#7
EYES WIDE OPEN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hastings, UK Posts: 424	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) Please see this thread I created yesterday on the same subject. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9615

01-08-2009, 01:09 PM	#8
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) If that ain't a synchronicity. Maybe we can get the web only issues to your thread and keep the other issues '1984 style surveillance' issues here.

01-08-2009, 10:23 PM	#9
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) Are there any official or even unofficial guidebooks or guidelines regarding internet content or commenting? How does one know if the Powers That Be are highly alarmed with what one is communicating...or if the PTB could care less? There may be some people who are very fearful that they are on multiple lists, and are being closely watched...who raise virtually no red-flags with the PTB. There may be some people who think they are no threat to anyone...who in fact are considered to be extremely dangerous by the PTB. In an appropriate forum, it seems possible to communicate very controversial views in a manner which is constructive to society. Conversely, yelling one word, 'FIRE!!!' in a crowded theater...could result in dozens of people being trampled to death. Finding an appropriate audience to communicate with seems to be a key factor. Some people are very sensitive...and could even become suicidal because of certain comments or information. Perhaps some potentially highly upsetting material could be contained in a portion of a site which could only be accessed after viewing introductory sections of the site. Discussing UFO's, NWO, aliens, religion, politics, corruption, conspiracies, controversies, etc. can be potentially devastating to some people (sometimes even me). If we are not responsible...this will provide the PTB with an excuse to censor or even shut-down the internet. Freedom and Responsibility must never be separated. But just in case...I'm going to look into getting some homing pigeons. But heck...they'll probably RFID chip them too! Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 01-08-2009 at 10:47 PM.

01-09-2009, 12:01 AM	#10
Czymra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,151	Re: Fallback (when the web drops) What you bring up there is important. One more reason why I believe that you must not hide anything. I don't mean this in the sense of the RFID but you must have a clean consciousness and keep no secrets. It will be harder to accuse you of anything. The PTB still have to justify their actions to the lynch mob before they can drag you off it seems. Also, not hiding anything makes you one of the many.... well maybe not. Don't ask me for this one. Regarding some pointers going secure I myself use them very little for the reasons mentioned above. In fact I believe that the efforts done on the other thread are much more viable. I'd appreciate if we could gather some more general ideas here instead of just alternative web solutions. It breeds paranoia too easily. However, here are some links that might inform you further. I don't know how trustworthy they are and don't count on my judgement here. They are just examples and will give you an idea of what can be done. As mentioned in the original, I have the feeling that these will already be compromised by the time such a method hits. If you however, want to be anonymous now they may be great tools. Just mind that you are anonymous, not invisible. https://www.secure-tunnel.com/ http://www.anonymous.to/ http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.htm And most profoundly, Waterman uses this system to set up that 'alternative currency'. https://ssl.mailvault.com/mailvault.php This last one especially feels good to me. Mind again, that you have to evaluate these services yourself. I trust my feeling on this but I haven't used most of these yet and there are loads of technical details to take into consideration. Pray we never need to make active use of those. As for code language. Well. Oxymoron what you say about people not being aware of their impact is certainly true. I think there is watching, but as of now it seems that the whole effort looks in hacking attacks or misinformation. Code language doesn't really help anybody in anything but not setting of those flags. Again, I am only making you guys aware of this. I can't provide concluded solutions.