Responsible Freedom

246 · 06-11-2009, 09:32 PM

What does 'Responsible Freedom' mean?

14 Chakras · 06-11-2009, 09:39 PM

For me, true freedom is the freedom to see through the illusions so we can see who we really are, and what the rules of the game really are, before we go out and try to 'use our freedom' to create on this planet.

When we can't clearly see how things are operating and we are under very serious illusions about who we are, we make dumb decisions that hurt us and hurt the world, even though we think we're doing something that is helpful. That's the unenlightened freedom we're currently operating under and it's not really freedom at all because we are really just free to keep suffering..

Responsible freedom to me means total freedom to co-create a world and a universe in a benevolent way, it's the kind of freedom that can only be accomplished with a shift in our consciousness.

It's not the kind of freedom where you have to make a bunch of rules around what is benevolent and what is not, it's a natural freedom that we are all going to share when we collectively shift our consciousness to a more enlightened perspective.

246 · 06-11-2009, 11:11 PM

When we can't clearly see how things are operating and we are under very serious illusions about who we are, we make dumb decisions that hurt us and hurt the world, even though we think we're doing something that is helpful. That's the unenlightened freedom we're currently operating under and it's not really freedom at all because we are really just free to keep suffering..

Yes, I can relate to making unenlightened dumb decisions, but with the best intentions. Maybe we have to first let everyone know what is really going on so that we can then make intelligent decisions...

14 Chakras · 06-12-2009, 07:41 PM

"Maybe we have to first let everyone know what is really going on so that we can then make intelligent decisions... "

For me, first step is to seek enligtenment myself and overcome my own stuff and my ego. Then, from an enlightened perspective, I will be able to help people free themselves from their illusions, but until then... I still have to work on taking the "stick out of my own eye before trying to take the sliver out of someone else's"...

That being said, sharing and growing together along the way is where it's at

orthodoxymoron · 06-12-2009, 08:14 PM

The Golden Rule + No Rules = Responsible Freedom. Removing all secrecy regarding who we are and what's really going on in the universe...and respecting the will of We the People of Earth...is the truth which will set us free. Relisten to all of Alex Collier's lectures and interviews...and notice very carefully what he says about Freedom, Responsibility, The U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and World Government.

Saying that Freedom must be Responsible is really restating the obvious...but this world is so screwed-up that obvious truths need to be restated over and over again...to become embedded in the collective unconscious.

Ron Paul awakened me in November of 2007(when I attended a rally) regarding Freedom and the Constitution...but I felt that something was missing. The missing link was Responsibility. The result was Constitutional Responsible Freedom. They are fundamentally interconnected...sort of like a tripod. Remove one leg...and the whole thing comes crashing down.

246 · 06-12-2009, 10:42 PM

The point I'm trying to make is what are 'they' saying we have to do to be responsible? I've heard the term 'responsible freedom' kicked around the media. But does it mean having civil rights or freedom until you criticize the government? Does it mean having the freedom to expression unless you create something that pushes boundaries too much? Does it mean not over stepping the bounds of what is acceptable? Where would Science, Art, Literature, Sports, Music and everything else be if we didnt have people who did that? You make a good point - follow the Golden Rule = Responsible Freedom. I guess that means do unto others as you would have them do to you. But when it comes to pushing the envelope a little to create something new, or ask new questions, then I'm all for it. Where's the harm unto others in that?

orthodoxymoron · 06-13-2009, 01:50 AM

Definitions and parameters are extremely important. I must have missed hearing the media discuss Responsible Freedom. I'm glad to hear that they are talking about it. If anyone finds a video clip of such a discussion...please post a link. We the People of Earth should be the ones to determine the size and shape of the Responsible Freedom Envelope...not an elite group of aliens and humans...meeting in secret. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are descriptive of such an orderly and reasonable determinitive process...which includes certain inherent rights and freedoms which cannot be overridden by mob-rule or elite-dictators.

Northern Boy · 06-13-2009, 02:16 AM

Oxy you have the ability now to obtain these freedoms but most are unwillingly giving them away. We were never supposed to be able understand why some things seem like thats just the way they are supposed . We have been tricked into it ever so cleverly and unknowingly.

In order to obtain responsible freedom you need to do certain things the first being responsible for everything you do And I mean everything from the trash we produce and its elimination to how we deal with others By showing we are able to do this we can then eliminate the overbearing wasteful presence of government
So ask yourselves these questions

Do I need a license and registration to drive my car ?

Do I need to pay a tax so that I am able to enjoy my property ?

Do I need Social Security ?

Do I need to pay income taxes ?

If you have no idea of how to eliminate these questions in the current system we are forced to live by then you you can not obtain responsible freedom because as long as you give away your personal freedoms and allow government to hold your hand you will be stuck where you are

orthodoxymoron · 06-13-2009, 02:34 AM

Many of the people I have listened to...who are concerned about the state of the world...are as upset with the average person...as they are with the selected elites. I don't single anyone out...I just blame everyone...including myself. The general public needs to step up...and the selected elites need to step down...and at some point the two will meet. This won't happen in 100 days...or 1000 days...but let us begin.

mntruthseeker · 06-13-2009, 02:43 AM

NorthernBoy and Oxy......................thank you for your brilliant remarks

It feels so good to read something and also know that I, personallly, am learning something form all that I am reading...............woohoo

I totally agree with both of your remarks and I thank you for stating them

Sometimes, I come in here and read without remarking as I am always afraid of being "stomped on" for a negative remark..............as I have so much in my past..............I think I am getting around all that and being able to actually think through my remarks and limit it to only positive thoughts and messages.

You two put it so well as to what ran through my mind of the question asked regarding "responsible freedom"........it does really all fit into the Golden Rule and one that I was raised on but lost the special meaning when I married, raised kids and started working. I rebelled to all the "tight rules" I became the protected momma that raised three children differently than my upbringing. I went the exact opposite and spoiled them dearly

Now reading and really growing, it comes back that we really do not need all of the taxes, licenses, fancy cars etc...............we need only the one rule and that is it............The Golden Rule..............that gives us true freedom.

Responsible Freedom is one without religion , restrictions and money

Northern Boy · 06-13-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Many of the people I have listened to...who are concerned about the state of the world...are as upset with the average person...as they are with the selected elites. I don't single anyone out...I just blame everyone...including myself. The general public needs to step up...and the selected elites need to step down...and at some point the two will meet. This won't happen in 100 days...or 1000 days...but let us begin.

It begins with one person Oxy Just like Tianneman Square You stand up for what is right . You make the decision that you are going to alter the way Government has to deal with you and not the way you deal with them . Research is the key . Knowing what the laws mean and how to defeat them when they try to use them against you .

Often times you will get cuffed and thrown in the back of a police car . There are remedies to this . They don`t want the world to know about their lie . If you go to court and stand up and defend your self and refuse to board their ship you will find yourself waiting till the end to be dealt with . Why .... you can defend yourself and they can`t have the public knowing this, it would eliminate the Lawyers and we can`t have that .

Lawyers have become part of the problem they know this stuff like the back of their hand. They have a responsibility to defend you and tell you everything up front but they don`t. The bar they belong to forbids it they must play the game and continue the deception . Has anybody ever tried to read a Law book? You need a road map to find your way thru legal books . It`s done this way on purpose to confuse you and make you give up they want you to use a lawyer , It ensure`s that you will in fact be the straw man when you arrive to court . They use the same words you and I do but more often than not they mean totally different things in court then when we use them on the street. It is called LEGALEASE

orthodoxymoron · 06-14-2009, 02:32 AM

Northern Boy and mntruthseeker, you both made really cool comments. Thank-you.

246 · 06-15-2009, 10:33 PM

This has been a good thread. Many good comments. As for me, one of the ways I protested was that many years ago I spray painted the charter of rights across Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Canada to get my point across for all the freedoms they broke. One Man, One Marker. And not just Paliament Hill, but all across downtown Ottawa. I think the public landscape shouldnt just be dominated by adveritsements, but should also be in the hands of the people who want to make a statement.

06-11-2009, 09:32 PM	#1
246 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: near Toronto Posts: 81	Responsible Freedom What does 'Responsible Freedom' mean?

06-11-2009, 09:39 PM	#2
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Responsible Freedom For me, true freedom is the freedom to see through the illusions so we can see who we really are, and what the rules of the game really are, before we go out and try to 'use our freedom' to create on this planet. When we can't clearly see how things are operating and we are under very serious illusions about who we are, we make dumb decisions that hurt us and hurt the world, even though we think we're doing something that is helpful. That's the unenlightened freedom we're currently operating under and it's not really freedom at all because we are really just free to keep suffering.. Responsible freedom to me means total freedom to co-create a world and a universe in a benevolent way, it's the kind of freedom that can only be accomplished with a shift in our consciousness. It's not the kind of freedom where you have to make a bunch of rules around what is benevolent and what is not, it's a natural freedom that we are all going to share when we collectively shift our consciousness to a more enlightened perspective.

06-11-2009, 11:11 PM	#3
246 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: near Toronto Posts: 81	Re: Responsible Freedom When we can't clearly see how things are operating and we are under very serious illusions about who we are, we make dumb decisions that hurt us and hurt the world, even though we think we're doing something that is helpful. That's the unenlightened freedom we're currently operating under and it's not really freedom at all because we are really just free to keep suffering.. Yes, I can relate to making unenlightened dumb decisions, but with the best intentions. Maybe we have to first let everyone know what is really going on so that we can then make intelligent decisions...

06-12-2009, 07:41 PM	#4
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Responsible Freedom "Maybe we have to first let everyone know what is really going on so that we can then make intelligent decisions... " For me, first step is to seek enligtenment myself and overcome my own stuff and my ego. Then, from an enlightened perspective, I will be able to help people free themselves from their illusions, but until then... I still have to work on taking the "stick out of my own eye before trying to take the sliver out of someone else's"... That being said, sharing and growing together along the way is where it's at

06-12-2009, 08:14 PM	#5
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Responsible Freedom The Golden Rule + No Rules = Responsible Freedom. Removing all secrecy regarding who we are and what's really going on in the universe...and respecting the will of We the People of Earth...is the truth which will set us free. Relisten to all of Alex Collier's lectures and interviews...and notice very carefully what he says about Freedom, Responsibility, The U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and World Government. Saying that Freedom must be Responsible is really restating the obvious...but this world is so screwed-up that obvious truths need to be restated over and over again...to become embedded in the collective unconscious. Ron Paul awakened me in November of 2007(when I attended a rally) regarding Freedom and the Constitution...but I felt that something was missing. The missing link was Responsibility. The result was Constitutional Responsible Freedom. They are fundamentally interconnected...sort of like a tripod. Remove one leg...and the whole thing comes crashing down. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 06-12-2009 at 08:29 PM.

06-12-2009, 10:42 PM	#6
246 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: near Toronto Posts: 81	Re: Responsible Freedom The point I'm trying to make is what are 'they' saying we have to do to be responsible? I've heard the term 'responsible freedom' kicked around the media. But does it mean having civil rights or freedom until you criticize the government? Does it mean having the freedom to expression unless you create something that pushes boundaries too much? Does it mean not over stepping the bounds of what is acceptable? Where would Science, Art, Literature, Sports, Music and everything else be if we didnt have people who did that? You make a good point - follow the Golden Rule = Responsible Freedom. I guess that means do unto others as you would have them do to you. But when it comes to pushing the envelope a little to create something new, or ask new questions, then I'm all for it. Where's the harm unto others in that?

06-13-2009, 01:50 AM	#7
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Responsible Freedom Definitions and parameters are extremely important. I must have missed hearing the media discuss Responsible Freedom. I'm glad to hear that they are talking about it. If anyone finds a video clip of such a discussion...please post a link. We the People of Earth should be the ones to determine the size and shape of the Responsible Freedom Envelope...not an elite group of aliens and humans...meeting in secret. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are descriptive of such an orderly and reasonable determinitive process...which includes certain inherent rights and freedoms which cannot be overridden by mob-rule or elite-dictators. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 06-13-2009 at 01:58 AM.

06-13-2009, 02:16 AM	#8
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Responsible Freedom Oxy you have the ability now to obtain these freedoms but most are unwillingly giving them away. We were never supposed to be able understand why some things seem like thats just the way they are supposed . We have been tricked into it ever so cleverly and unknowingly. In order to obtain responsible freedom you need to do certain things the first being responsible for everything you do And I mean everything from the trash we produce and its elimination to how we deal with others By showing we are able to do this we can then eliminate the overbearing wasteful presence of government So ask yourselves these questions Do I need a license and registration to drive my car ? Do I need to pay a tax so that I am able to enjoy my property ? Do I need Social Security ? Do I need to pay income taxes ? If you have no idea of how to eliminate these questions in the current system we are forced to live by then you you can not obtain responsible freedom because as long as you give away your personal freedoms and allow government to hold your hand you will be stuck where you are Last edited by Northern Boy; 06-13-2009 at 02:23 AM.

06-13-2009, 02:34 AM	#9
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Responsible Freedom Many of the people I have listened to...who are concerned about the state of the world...are as upset with the average person...as they are with the selected elites. I don't single anyone out...I just blame everyone...including myself. The general public needs to step up...and the selected elites need to step down...and at some point the two will meet. This won't happen in 100 days...or 1000 days...but let us begin.

06-13-2009, 02:43 AM	#10
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Responsible Freedom NorthernBoy and Oxy......................thank you for your brilliant remarks It feels so good to read something and also know that I, personallly, am learning something form all that I am reading...............woohoo I totally agree with both of your remarks and I thank you for stating them Sometimes, I come in here and read without remarking as I am always afraid of being "stomped on" for a negative remark..............as I have so much in my past..............I think I am getting around all that and being able to actually think through my remarks and limit it to only positive thoughts and messages. You two put it so well as to what ran through my mind of the question asked regarding "responsible freedom"........it does really all fit into the Golden Rule and one that I was raised on but lost the special meaning when I married, raised kids and started working. I rebelled to all the "tight rules" I became the protected momma that raised three children differently than my upbringing. I went the exact opposite and spoiled them dearly Now reading and really growing, it comes back that we really do not need all of the taxes, licenses, fancy cars etc...............we need only the one rule and that is it............The Golden Rule..............that gives us true freedom. Responsible Freedom is one without religion , restrictions and money

06-14-2009, 02:32 AM	#12
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Responsible Freedom Northern Boy and mntruthseeker, you both made really cool comments. Thank-you.

06-15-2009, 10:33 PM	#13
246 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: near Toronto Posts: 81	Re: Responsible Freedom This has been a good thread. Many good comments. As for me, one of the ways I protested was that many years ago I spray painted the charter of rights across Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Canada to get my point across for all the freedoms they broke. One Man, One Marker. And not just Paliament Hill, but all across downtown Ottawa. I think the public landscape shouldnt just be dominated by adveritsements, but should also be in the hands of the people who want to make a statement.