Has Avalon been hijacked by the right-wing noise machine?

[Humble Janitor]

Just think about it. The majority of posts that involve even an inkling of anything political are all anti-Obama, pro-Ron Paul and likely pro-Conservative postings.

I don't see any balance. I don't see much criticism of people on the right wing.

Perhaps this is why Avalon and Camelot were singled out by the "obamafascists" (likely a bunch of dumbass kids on a forum more than an actual threat).

I think that if we are going to discuss politics, we need to move beyond partisan attitudes.

I suppose we could avoid discussing politics altogether but I always get a bad feeling when I see good things said about men like Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. They are the wrong people to be praising and primarily negative-orientated beings that got where they were by berating others and destroying their careers.

[alyscat]

Oh, we have pro Obama members - and we have members who are not particularly pro anyone, taking a wait and see attitude.

Those guys are not particularly verbal because they are more interested in the concepts and where we're going and what we have to do to move through these times. They're not particularly into personalities. What I seem to see with the right wing noise makers is that they're more into personalities.

alys

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just think about it. The majority of posts that involve even an inkling of anything political are all anti-Obama, pro-Ron Paul and likely pro-Conservative postings.

I don't see any balance. I don't see much criticism of people on the right wing.

Perhaps this is why Avalon and Camelot were singled out by the "obamafascists" (likely a bunch of dumbass kids on a forum more than an actual threat).

I think that if we are going to discuss politics, we need to move beyond partisan attitudes.

I suppose we could avoid discussing politics altogether but I always get a bad feeling when I see good things said about men like Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. They are the wrong people to be praising and primarily negative-orientated beings that got where they were by berating others and destroying their careers.

There is the bird in the middle that guides the movement of both wings.

[Humble Janitor]

I could do that but then again, that doesn't seem to solve the issue. What if we can agree on even one thing? Is it really worth blocking them for the rest of the things?

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by alyscat

Oh, we have pro Obama members - and we have members who are not particularly pro anyone, taking a wait and see attitude.

Those guys are not particularly verbal because they are more interested in the concepts and where we're going and what we have to do to move through these times. They're not particularly into personalities. What I seem to see with the right wing noise makers is that they're more into personalities.

alys

They have a reverence for rich, white bloated hypocrites that have their own radio or tv shows. Not quite the folks I'd want to get my news from.

[Myplanet2]

politics is one of if not the main playing field for polarity. The strongest tendencies towards thinking and acting out opposing poles that I've recently seen, are in politics. Maybe that's why it's called Pol-itics.

So to have anything to do with politics, is to enter that playing field and be instantly polarized to one degree or another, knowingly or not.

Religion and economics are a couple of others.

That must be why they hold so much attention. people trying to work out their issues in these areas.

Just notice when you start chatting about "this side or that side" and what they are or aren't doing, and what they represent, and blah, blah, blah ad nauseum, that you are polarized, which means "for" something, and "against" something else.

That's totally "old school" as they say. The new paradigm don't play that way.

So it's fine that we're here working this stuff out amongst friends, rather than out smashing windows and burning police cars.

No. Avalon has not been hijacked for any purpose. It's here for us to get together and figure out how to facilitate the changes which are coming, like it or not.

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just think about it. The majority of posts that involve even an inkling of anything political are all anti-Obama, pro-Ron Paul and likely pro-Conservative postings.

I don't see any balance. I don't see much criticism of people on the right wing.

Perhaps this is why Avalon and Camelot were singled out by the "obamafascists" (likely a bunch of dumbass kids on a forum more than an actual threat).



I think that if we are going to discuss politics, we need to move beyond partisan attitudes.

I suppose we could avoid discussing politics altogether but I always get a bad feeling when I see good things said about men like Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. They are the wrong people to be praising and primarily negative-orientated beings that got where they were by berating others and destroying their careers.

You miss the point. Right wing left wing, they are all on the same team with the same agenda to place you in shackles.

To wit:









So you are going to tell me that all these people are longhorn fans? Need I go on and dredge up the foreign heads of state with the same hand affliction such as Sarkozy and Arafat? Is it so hard to believe that there is
a fifth column which is covert disciplined and well financed arrayed against you and has infiltrated the highest positions of power?

Wake up and smell the tyranny! While you pontificate about talking heads and space brothers Washington DC has been over run. The battle is now at the state level.
Did you know or do you care about the 10th amendment states rights movement sweeping this nation? Is your state one of the twenty that have drawn a line in the sand? Have you written your state representative to thank them for their efforts or encourage them to propose a bill in your own state? Now is your chance.
Carried far enough this has the power to recall the entire
federal government without a shot being fired. This is
the revolution Cliff High predicted in it's early stages. It
is not bloody yet

Yes I have an agenda. I want to do everything I can to
make sure my grandchildren do not live on a prison planet.

To paraphrase Mr Shackleton; when peaceful protest becomes impossible, violent protest becomes inevitable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfNx...e=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82taN8cUCw&NR=1

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just think about it. The majority of posts that involve even an inkling of anything political are all anti-Obama, pro-Ron Paul and likely pro-Conservative postings.

I don't see any balance. I don't see much criticism of people on the right wing.

Perhaps this is why Avalon and Camelot were singled out by the "obamafascists" (likely a bunch of dumbass kids on a forum more than an actual threat).

I think that if we are going to discuss politics, we need to move beyond partisan attitudes.

C'mon, There is no movement here at avalon from the left wingers trying to
high-jacking this forum. lol
I think most people have just done the research and care about truth,
not left/right paradigms which at their core are one and the same.

[Myplanet2]

I want to share a little tidbit from Wendy Kennedy's website
( http://www.higherfrequencies.net/index.html )

I think it has a bearing on this discussion.

"Manifestation

So how does this affect you and what you do? *You have the free will. *So when you see
things that are unappealing, the greatest way for you to affect change is to change
yourself and your perception. *For you can go out and rally against something but the key
to manifestation is that your thoughts create form but it’s your emotional state that
vibrates it in to being. *It’s your emotional state that determines what is coming back to
you. *So if you are focused on fear, if you are doing something out of fear, fear is exactly
what you are going to get back. *You are going to get more of what you don’t want. *If
you are focused on something and it makes you happy, it makes you buzz, then that’s
what you are going to get back. *All right? *That is the key, the trick, to manifestation. *
And there are those who don’t want you to know that you have the ability to manifest for
yourself. *So, rather than going and rallying against something, if you are able to make
changes in your perception, within yourself, to understand that they are a necessary part
and you are sending them love and compassion you are doing far more good than you
could rallying against something. *So if you don’t like war, if you are anti-war, and you
are fighting against war, then you are going to create more war. *If you are focused on
peace and making changes, from a multidimensional perspective, that’s what you are
going to get. *You are going to get peace, and you are going to change things
multidimensionally. *

Look at how you focus on things. *Are you focusing on them from a sense of lack? *If you
want to talk about creating abundance, all right, the thought is “I want to create
abundance. *I am creating abundance.” *So where is your emotional state? *Are you
thinking, “I am creating abundance because it is going to allow me freedom. *It is going
to allow me flexibility. *It is going to allow me to surround myself in a nice space. *It
makes me content. *And I want to be able to do nice things for the people around me.” *
So if you are thinking about that and it’s making you happy and it’s making you buzz,
then your energy is flowing and positive energy is what you are going to get back. *Now
if you think, “I am creating abundance” and what you are thinking about is a stack of
bills…”I have to create abundance because I have bill collectors calling me. *I’m stressed
out, and I want to quit my job. *I want to quit my job so I can make more money
somewhere else. *But I can’t do any of that right now.”…your energy field has just shut
down. *So that is exactly what you are going to get back. *You’re going to get back the
negative. *You’re going to get more bills. *You are going to get more phone calls about
the bills. *So it is really your emotional state vibrating it into being. *And this is applicable
to absolutely everything. *We can not stress that enough. *And we can not express
enough that you have complete and absolute control around you.
So when 144,000 of you have a thought, the magic number, it creates a new energetic
grid around the Earth. *And this energetic grid makes it much easier for others to tap into
a new mindset. *And that is where you are headed. *You are just about there. *And this
new mindset that you are all working on right now is one that allows you to think
multidimensionally. *You are going to begin healing multidimensionally. *You are going to
be moving through timelines. *You are going to be moving through probable realities. *All
right? *So keep that in mind. *The most powerful thing you can do is make changes within
yourself. "*

[MyShadow]

Good observation. I prefer to look at this subject from a different angle. It's not Obama pro vs Obama con. It's that there is alot of frustration, fear and worry bouncing around these days and it simply just has to go somewhere. Meaning it has to be expressed somehow. And usually it's a public figure that becomes the focus of this attention - in this case Obama.

I was at a newstand yesterday and glanced across the headlines. It's so telling as to the 'tone' of mass-consciouness. On one end of the spectrum was a shirtless picture of Obama in Hawaii with the headline that his gay tendencies have sent Michele Obama reeling. On the other end was a Moses-like homage.

I know the goal there is to sell publications, but it's just showing how we feed and create our cultural icons to satisfy our need to express our emotions in the reaction to our reality. Sometimes I feel that if some where to realize this, part of that energy would transform to adding more to the solutions rather than the problems. Not intended as a backhanded 'blame' statement, just an observation.

As far as Avalon hi-jacked, no I believe all opinions and points of view are relevant - regardless of whether they align with mine. It is by mixing it up here that we explore our preferences and map out who we are becoming.

[Swanny]

Blimey Baggywrinkle that must be one of the longest posts you've made, I'm sure it's full of interesting stuff but far beyond my attention span to even think about reading it.
Thx anyway

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

There is the bird in the middle that guides the movement of both wings.

That's quite spooky 777; almost word-for-word what I thought when I saw the title of the thread

[Steve_A]

Hi Humble Janitor,

I think you may be getting the right impression, but also the wrong one.

Many posts appear to be anti Obama because HE is the President. Just as last year everybody was goading Bush, this year people will taunt Obama, as they did Margeret Thatcher and Tony Blair in the UK.

Ron Paul has been in politics for years and has always had his followers. He and others have come more to light because what they were predicting is coming to pass. That is a dificult one to argue.

I don't really think it's a political thing, it's that when the elected party does one thing, others who do not agree with it complain. It doesn't matter which party is in power.

On George Bushs' watch we have had films about 9/11 (Loose Change, In Plane Sight etc.), articles and films about the Iraq invasion etc.

These films and articles were not produced because George Bush is a Republican, they were produced because things were not as they seemed.

The political biases from the Glenn Becks of this world are to be listened to if the listener chooses (I'm not sure if Glenn Beck is a member of Avalon). If the audience chooses not to listen, simply change the channel.

At the end of the day, we should be concerned about separating the substance of the information from the political wranglings. As Neil Cavuto says, "If it looks like a pig and it sqeals like a pig, then it's probably a pig". It's the politics that tries to put on the lipstick.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just think about it. The majority of posts that involve even an inkling of anything political are all anti-Obama, pro-Ron Paul and likely pro-Conservative postings.

I don't see any balance. I don't see much criticism of people on the right wing.

Perhaps this is why Avalon and Camelot were singled out by the "obamafascists" (likely a bunch of dumbass kids on a forum more than an actual threat).

I think that if we are going to discuss politics, we need to move beyond partisan attitudes.

I suppose we could avoid discussing politics altogether but I always get a bad feeling when I see good things said about men like Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. They are the wrong people to be praising and primarily negative-orientated beings that got where they were by berating others and destroying their careers.

Originally Posted by Swanny

Blimey Baggywrinkle that must be one of the longest posts you've made, I'm sure it's full of interesting stuff but far beyond my attention span to even think about reading it.
Thx anyway

The condensed version reads pull your finger out and
take your country back while you still can. Lead follow or
get out of the way but do SOMETHING.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

You miss the point. Right wing left wing, they are all on the same team with the same agenda to place you in shackles.

To wit:









So you are going to tell me that all these people are longhorn fans? Need I go on and dredge up the foreign heads of state with the same hand affliction such as Sarkozy and Arafat? Is it so hard to believe that there is
a fifth column which is covert disciplined and well financed arrayed against you and has infiltrated the highest positions of power?

Wake up and smell the tyranny! While you pontificate about talking heads and space brothers Washington DC has been over run. The battle is now at the state level.
Did you know or do you care about the 10th amendment states rights movement sweeping this nation? Is your state one of the twenty that have drawn a line in the sand? Have you written your state representative to thank them for their efforts or encourage them to propose a bill in your own state? Now is your chance.
Carried far enough this has the power to recall the entire
federal government without a shot being fired. This is
the revolution Cliff High predicted in it's early stages. It
is not bloody yet

Yes I have an agenda. I want to do everything I can to
make sure my grandchildren do not live on a prison planet.

To paraphrase Mr Shackleton; when peaceful protest becomes impossible, violent protest becomes inevitable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfNx...e=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82taN8cUCw&NR=1

Some of them are actually saying "I Love You". That's not the sign for the NWO.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Humble Janitor,

I think you may be getting the right impression, but also the wrong one.

Many posts appear to be anti Obama because HE is the President. Just as last year everybody was goading Bush, this year people will taunt Obama, as they did Margeret Thatcher and Tony Blair in the UK.

Ron Paul has been in politics for years and has always had his followers. He and others have come more to light because what they were predicting is coming to pass. That is a dificult one to argue.

I don't really think it's a political thing, it's that when the elected party does one thing, others who do not agree with it complain. It doesn't matter which party is in power.

On George Bushs' watch we have had films about 9/11 (Loose Change, In Plane Sight etc.), articles and films about the Iraq invasion etc.

These films and articles were not produced because George Bush is a Republican, they were produced because things were not as they seemed.

The political biases from the Glenn Becks of this world are to be listened to if the listener chooses (I'm not sure if Glenn Beck is a member of Avalon). If the audience chooses not to listen, simply change the channel.

At the end of the day, we should be concerned about separating the substance of the information from the political wranglings. As Neil Cavuto says, "If it looks like a pig and it sqeals like a pig, then it's probably a pig". It's the politics that tries to put on the lipstick.

Best regards,

Steve

Good point.

I will think about this more.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

To paraphrase Mr Shackleton; when peaceful protest becomes impossible, violent protest becomes inevitable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfNx...e=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82taN8cUCw&NR=1

Not to nitpick but they WANT violent protest so they can throw us in the FEMA camps and implant us with a chip. I think it's pretty much agreed here that violent protest isn't the way to answer. In other words, we shouldn't play this game anymore.

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Not to nitpick but they WANT violent protest so they can throw us in the FEMA camps and implant us with a chip. I think it's pretty much agreed here that violent protest isn't the way to answer. In other words, we shouldn't play this game anymore.

It would be fine if they would leave you alone. But they never do, and they
never will. Enough is never quite enough. From telling you how to raise your
children to what you are allowed to read say or even think. No area of your
life is your own because friend,
not only are you trespassing on someone elses
planet you are their property to be bagged and tagged as the state sees fit.
The
only unalienable right which you possess is your right to die.
But stuff that up and you might well be facing hard time for trying.
Where I live it is a felony to be
exact.

These are the gray men. Always polite. Always politically correct. Always
with the law behind them because they make it up as they go. Draw a line
in the sand, and they will eventually cross it. At some point you either
capitulate totally to their will or when they do cross that final line you cut
them off at the ankles.

The trick is to have them believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that if they
stick one little finger across that line they will lose it. When they believe
it in their soul that they will lose it, that is called respect. A Spanish standoff.
This is why the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. That credible threat of
violence keeps the dishonest and devious as virtuous as choir boys.

Despots tend to be cowards. This is why you don't already live in a police
state. There has been a credible threat of being held accountable for their
actions which has kept them from openly tipping their hand.

Today the unwashed masses are angry and the despots are nervous. Why
do you think first brigade has been deployed CONUS? The memory of what
happened to Benito Mussolini haunts them. This is a good thing.

The anger of the people when focused correctly is an awesome force to be
behold. It forges new nations and brings old nations down. It must not be
wasted breaking things and hurting people. Done properly it can be used to
set what is wrong right without a shot being fired.

[Humble Janitor]

Excellent post there.

I never intended to offend anyone with this thread. It is merely to start a dialogue and I know that we can look beyond our differences (we already do) and form a common bond as a community.

ANd it's correct that vigilance is needed to protect freedom, which is why Ron Paul's message makes more sense now than it did a few months, a few years ago. I am only cautious because I have seen what the folks I mentioned have done to each other and their "enemies" in the past. They are negative-orientated with very few ideas.

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” –Thomas Jefferson

It is time to place fear where it belongs,,,,,,,

[dagon]

Originally Posted by alyscat

Oh, we have pro Obama members - and we have members who are not particularly pro anyone, taking a wait and see attitude.

Those guys are not particularly verbal because they are more interested in the concepts and where we're going and what we have to do to move through these times. They're not particularly into personalities. What I seem to see with the right wing noise makers is that they're more into personalities.

alys

I fall somewhere in this. thow I tend to swing left.

but this is how I really feal about politics.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14373/48/

dig @ in this.

[dayzero]

Oh no, not Politics again!

It's not real.

I'm with Myplanet2 all the way.

Nuff said.

[TtC]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” –Thomas Jefferson

It is time to place fear where it belongs,,,,,,,

It is time to remove fear entirely.

[dagon]

Originally Posted by dayzero

Oh no, not Politics again!

It's not real.

I'm with Myplanet2 all the way.

Nuff said.

when Im not leaning left. Im leaning on dayzero!!!

Originally Posted by TtC

It is time to remove fear entirely.

Sounds good, now how are you going to make it happen?

Time is wasting and your opposition is not gathering dust.

Pie in the sky shangri la pipe dreams don't cut muster.

Are you in a position to starve the tape worm?

You can hardly ignore them to death if you are not out of debt.

What are you doing to make your local community independent? Have
you read the file on Transition Towns in the library? Have you formed
a Solari group? Are you backing real money?? Are you growing your
own food? Real solutions for real people in a real crisis.

FACTA NON VERBA