The Day Tapes

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I think it's credit union time for me. Also, maybe it's time to define 'leadership' (bejeezus!!!), so here's a start: According to David Gergen, Professor of Public Service at Harvard (JFK School of Government and Director of its Center for Public Leadership) -

3 basic pillars for any leadership: inner drive, judgement, character
3 additional qualities: adaptability, personal courage, consensus builder

VIDEO: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rgen_grano0612

[Carmen]

In what section of the library Baggywrinkle, do I find the Day Tapes

[Myplanet2]

I'd add frequent grooming so as to snip the puppet strings which try to accrue.

Originally Posted by no caste

I think it's credit union time for me. Also, maybe it's time to define 'leadership' (bejeezus!!!), so here's a start: According to David Gergen, Professor of Public Service at Harvard (JFK School of Government and Director of its Center for Public Leadership) -

3 basic pillars for any leadership: inner drive, judgement, character
3 additional qualities: adaptability, personal courage, consensus builder

VIDEO: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rgen_grano0612

[alyscat]

I find it interesting that one of the concepts is that homosexuality and sexual relationships outside of marriage are somehow something "new" and "fostered" by the NWO for their nefarious ends - Believe me, both have been going on for aeons, and are definitely not new to this group.

Although I do believe there is a PTB, and their goals are quite different than mine, sometimes I wonder if individuals get on their own little bandwagons and start considering everything they are particularly against as a "tool" of the PTB. Dunno, but the thought has crossed my mind, occasionally -

I'm guessing that somewhere between the NWO, and those that rabidly hold to an OWO (old world order) there's a middle ground that allows people to live in harmony, with mutual respect, that doesn't suggest falling back into roles that veer towards the Taliban view of family.

alys

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[Dantheman62]

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[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

No, these lifestyles are not new to this age. What is new
is this group has been encouraged to act out on the public
stage and in the political arena to the point that it
is being taught in the schools as a desirable alternative
life style preferentially over more traditional roles.

While we are conservative Friends, we are still sympathetic to the gay agenda. We do not agree as
Randy Engel says that this behavior is learned exclusively. We are not in favor of gay bashing. We
are also not in favor of seeing cross dressing day in a high school in Des Moines or alternative lifestyles
being pushed as part of an educational agenda in California. There is a liberal meeting in Olympia which
we visited which openly welcomes gay and lesbian individuals. We are all God's children. We could not
support their active political agenda pushing gay marriage in Washington State. We feel this is barking
up the wrong tree. Yes partners should have rights. Yes partners should have benefits. But while they
are out picketing on the steps of the capital in Olympia for gay rights, we are all loosing our God given
un-a-LIEN-able rights as men, and they are being replaced with in-a-LIEN-able "rights" which are not
rights at all but priveleges which can be removed at a whim by a bureaucrat. I won't feel any better if the shackles on my ankles are pink! It is for this reason that we withdrew our support from that meeting.

The effect of promoting these alternative lifestyles has been the weakened nuclear family we see today. Not only is the extended family portrayed by The Waltons no longer there, Mom and Dad are no longer there. This leaves the children to be raised by the state. Concurrent with this trend is the degradation of ethical values. Children who have been warehoused all their lives have
no problem warehousing elders or abandoning them entirely, thus robbing the young of the benefit of their
wisdom. From this point it is a short step to euthanasia
and soylent green.

Would you like a cookie?

That was a well needed explanation. I do think that the NWO is a catch-all for many people but I see the trend you are describing here and have been wary of it all along, without knowing why. I find this strangely to be true for almost all of the items on that too long list. Blessed be my intuition.

[alyscat]

Homosexuality has been on the public stage many times in the past - think of Ancient Greece - what makes it more public now is the media, not education. I don't know of a curriculum (and I am familiar with numerous curricula) that suggests homosexuality as preferred over heterosexuality. I think the argument is a straw dog. I am aware that research has shown that children who are raised by gay couples are NOT more likely to grow up gay than those raised by straight couples. In fact, of all the gay people I've known, they were all raised by straight couples, most of whom were traditional nuclear families with stay at home moms (I'm showing my age here). And my bachelors was in performance theater - I knew a LOT of gay men, and a few gay women. My masters was in social work, and there I knew more gay women than men. (and I'm straight, if you're wondering)

The nuclear family is only one of many lifestyles (even though it may be a preferred one for some) - including extended families, embedded families, single head of household families, blended families, kinship networks, multifamily households, and yes, homosexual families, and on and on. Some are emotionally based, and some are financially based. And some nuclear families (like the one I was raised in) SHOULD have had the parents divorced, because the damage to the children in a bad marriage is much worse than the damage to the children in a divorce.

I'm willing to bet that if civil unions truly had all the rights and responsibilities of "marriage" you'd find fewer gays on courthouse steps. If homosexuality as a lifestyle and a commitment style were really accepted, you'd find fewer gays "demanding rights." And believe me, there's not a single gay marriage that will somehow lessen me or any marriage that I'm in. For one thing, there's no competition for partners

I truly do not understand your statement:
"we are all loosing our God given
un-a-LIEN-able rights as men, and they are being replaced with in-a-LIEN-able "rights" which are not
rights at all but priveleges which can be removed at a whim by a bureaucrat."

I have no point of reference for it.

I guess that in my book, there is only one inalienable right - the right to create - (not procreate, just create) - any other "rights" are culturally determined.

Not picking a fight with you, Baggy, just coming from a very different place, I imagine. You certainly have the right to create your reality in any fashion you see fit (as you do, and as we all do, every day).

alys

[Czymra]

I think the point here is the tendency to create more androgyny which is expressed in part through gay culture.
I am sure Baggy can take the argument much further than I am able to at the moment but as I see it, the idea is the corruption of gender specifics. This might be a threat to the classical family if one believes that those are firmly built on gender specific values but I don't think so. Those different types of families that you illustrate work on the basis of such values and in fact they are probably the determining factor what shape a 'family' takes, but I believe they are more dependent on the environment and situation than the people.

However, corrupting the essence of male and female and thus causing a whole range of confusion is another issue. While literally luring people to self-express in a fashion they may be less constricted by sexuality but also become more and more unified.
Equality is fair and nice but unification, by that I mean creating an image of man that is in all it's variety again and again the same due to constant conditioning, is in fact LESS individuality, even if more freedom of expression is available.
(The problem with 'freedom of expression' is the same with 'freedom' overall, as we have been conditioned to believe that freedom is the possibility of doing anything you feel like, not taking on responsibility for your life and expanding it as you see fit, which again is actually less freedom, because most people's wants and needs [what they feel like] are so conditioned they can't possibly be free.)

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[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

No, these lifestyles are not new to this age. What is new
is this group has been encouraged to act out on the public
stage and in the political arena to the point that it
is being taught in the schools as a desirable alternative
life style preferentially over more traditional roles.

While we are conservative Friends, we are still sympathetic to the gay agenda. We do not agree as
Randy Engel says that this behavior is learned exclusively. We are not in favor of gay bashing. We
are also not in favor of seeing cross dressing day in a high school in Des Moines or alternative lifestyles
being pushed as part of an educational agenda in California. There is a liberal meeting in Olympia which
we visited which openly welcomes gay and lesbian individuals. We are all God's children. We could not
support their active political agenda pushing gay marriage in Washington State. We feel this is barking
up the wrong tree. Yes partners should have rights. Yes partners should have benefits. But while they
are out picketing on the steps of the capital in Olympia for gay rights, we are all loosing our God given
un-a-LIEN-able rights as men, and they are being replaced with in-a-LIEN-able "rights" which are not
rights at all but priveleges which can be removed at a whim by a bureaucrat. I won't feel any better if the shackles on my ankles are pink! It is for this reason that we withdrew our support from that meeting.

The effect of promoting these alternative lifestyles has been the weakened nuclear family we see today. Not only is the extended family portrayed by The Waltons no longer there, Mom and Dad are no longer there. This leaves the children to be raised by the state. Concurrent with this trend is the degradation of ethical values. Children who have been warehoused all their lives have
no problem warehousing elders or abandoning them entirely, thus robbing the young of the benefit of their
wisdom. From this point it is a short step to euthanasia
and soylent green.

Would you like a cookie?

I see it as a way to justify gay-bashing and try to tie in homosexuality with the demise of the "nuclear family", which is one of the biggest crocks of **** that this country has ever unleashed upon its' people.

It's basically how the NWO works. They pit human vs human of all ages, races and orientation.

[alyscat]

Thanks, Baggy, for the clarification on the quote.
alys

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[Czymra]

Seems like somebody offended Baggy?

[cantaloupe]

Remember, the same strictures that keep gender roles rigid harm women too. And it's the women and their true and powerful expression that the world needs most now, imho.