7th Century Muslim predicted Obama/end of times..?!?

Hi
I have NO idea who this writer/Website is, or their views/background etc, but found it via something else I was searching for re: Middle East... anyway, like I say, I can't comment on the source/credentials/politics or anything, but this did seem of interest.. am going to see if I can find anymore about this 7th Century fellow's prediction...

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/6017



"Obama Wins, Muslims Divided
by Daniel Pipes
Philadelphia Bulletin
November 12, 2008


Ali ibn Abi-Talib, the seventh-century figure central to Shiite Islam, is said to have predicted when the world will end, columnist Amir Taheri points out. A "tall black man" commanding "the strongest army on earth" will take power "in the west." He will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, Hussein. Ali says of the tall black man: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

"Barack Hussein in Arabic means "the blessing of Hussein." In Persian, Obama translates as "He [is] with us." Thus does the name of the presumptive American president-elect, when combined with his physical attributes and geography, suggest that the End of Times is nigh – precisely what Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been predicting."......

(continues on link)

hmm, well lots of sites.. but can't find much yet specific to this prediciton/prophesy.. would help if I could speak Arabic of course... which I sadly don't.. anyway.. here's a bit from Wikipedia on this man, who seems to have been a very important figure in early Islam, and also the roots of Islamic Mysticism, Sufism and is reffered to by Kahlil Gibran ('The Prophet' author)... is all interesting! (sorry if not strictly Avalon material !)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_ibn_Abi_Talib

[GenerationIke]

This article is from forbes.com:

http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/26/oba...eri_print.html


I hope this helps you.

[Antaletriangle]

That's a little disconcerting; well found that man and woman!
I'd better start behaving myself now!?
Thanks for the post.

[Tara]

Originally Posted by Worlds Beyond 2

Hi
I have NO idea who this writer/Website is, or their views/background etc, but found it via something else I was searching for re: Middle East... anyway, like I say, I can't comment on the source/credentials/politics or anything, but this did seem of interest.. am going to see if I can find anymore about this 7th Century fellow's prediction...

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/6017



"Obama Wins, Muslims Divided
by Daniel Pipes
Philadelphia Bulletin
November 12, 2008


Ali ibn Abi-Talib, the seventh-century figure central to Shiite Islam, is said to have predicted when the world will end, columnist Amir Taheri points out. A "tall black man" commanding "the strongest army on earth" will take power "in the west." He will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, Hussein. Ali says of the tall black man: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

"Barack Hussein in Arabic means "the blessing of Hussein." In Persian, Obama translates as "He [is] with us." Thus does the name of the presumptive American president-elect, when combined with his physical attributes and geography, suggest that the End of Times is nigh – precisely what Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been predicting."......

(continues on link)

Please give me a break. You lost already. Get over it. I'm a 44 year old american mother and business owner, and I predict Obama is with us. ALL OF US. Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming? The guy whose article you quote hates Obama. Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist. He's a mut trying to weed through a bunch of muck and fix this thing. I'll agree with the "tall black man" part.

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by Worlds Beyond 2

A "tall black man" commanding "the strongest army on earth" will take power "in the west." He will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, Hussein. Ali says of the tall black man: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

He doesn't command the strongest army on earth, I would say China has more military power than America. The second strongest army will do

Originally Posted by Tara

Please give me a break. You lost already. Get over it. I'm a 44 year old american mother and business owner, and I predict Obama is with us. ALL OF US. Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming? The guy whose article you quote hates Obama. Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist. He's a mut trying to weed through a bunch of muck and fix this thing. I'll agree with the "tall black man" part.

Hello Tara,

please.. may I ask you, in kindness and good heart, that you carefully read my post .. and also I ask you, please.. not to have a go at me like that, nor make such sweeping assumptions about me ... this wasn't a political thread, nor posted for any political reason/agenda, and certainly was not posted as any 'bash Obama type thread!'. That kind of thing is not on my personal radar... anywhere!

I found the article interesting, from the 'prophecy 'angle of a 7th Century Muslim, as this is not something we hear of too often, amongst all the more Westernised/Western accepted prophesies etc.

When you say things like "you lost already" and " Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming?" or "Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist.".. ( ) I'm not sure whether to laugh incredulously or feel insulted to be honest.... but then I realise from your comments that you clearly haven't got any idea of me, my views, my life, nor whatever political views I may or may not hold ... you might be surprised to hear if you did !!!

So please, before jumping down my throat, so to speak, or assuming anything about me or why I posted the thread, please ask or seek to clarify first. Did you stop to consider, before replying, that for all you know I might be Muslim? I might be politically supportive of Obama? I might not be making ANY connection between Obama and Islam, or even between Muslims and "Terrorists" for that matter?? Or did you even wonder if, given my other posts in here, I might have already been through several major shifts of consciousness in my life(s) already...??

I wonder how would you be able to know what my political/racial/"terrorism" views are without first asking me? So please.. before jumping to attack.. please stop for a moment, and think... instead of assuming and jumping at someone and making accusations.... (as I am occasional reminded to do also!!! )

Peaceful blessings

[Tara]

Originally Posted by Worlds Beyond 2

Hello Tara,

please.. may I ask you, in kindness and good heart, that you carefully read my post .. and also I ask you, please.. not to have a go at me like that, nor make such sweeping assumptions about me ... this wasn't a political thread, nor posted for any political reason/agenda, and certainly was not posted as any 'bash Obama type thread!'. That kind of thing is not on my personal radar... anywhere!

I found the article interesting, from the 'prophecy 'angle of a 7th Century Muslim, as this is not something we hear of too often, amongst all the more Westernised/Western accepted prophesies etc.

When you say things like "you lost already" and " Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming?" or "Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist.".. ( ) I'm not sure whether to laugh incredulously or feel insulted to be honest.... but then I realise from your comments that you clearly haven't got any idea of me, my views, my life, nor whatever political views I may or may not hold ... you might be surprised to hear if you did !!!

So please, before jumping down my throat, so to speak, or assuming anything about me or why I posted the thread, please ask or seek to clarify first. Did you stop to consider, before replying, that for all you know I might be Muslim? I might be politically supportive of Obama? I might not be making ANY connection between Obama and Islam, or even between Muslims and "Terrorists" for that matter?? Or did you even wonder if, given my other posts in here, I might have already been through several major shifts of consciousness in my life(s) already...??

I wonder how would you be able to know what my political/racial/"terrorism" views are without first asking me? So please.. before jumping to attack.. please stop for a moment, and think... instead of assuming and jumping at someone and making accusations.... (as I am occasional reminded to do also!!! )

Peaceful blessings

The website link you have listed is a political site with the same stuff being spread around during the election. Trying to connect Obama to muslims as if he is going to get in the whitehouse and start a jihad against the American people. I have actually heard people say this. Maybe I misunderstood. It's been an underlying issue in many threads on this website. I appreciate the article on the 7th century muslim, but I do believe that this is another way to scare people. Maybe not on this forum. I guess I should give you more credit then that. Sorry. I have nothing against muslims nor am I insulting muslims. I love everyone. Take a look at that website again. It's definetly political. Didn't mean to offend. I'm just tired of hate and fear so I may have jumped to conclusions. I have read other posts from you and respect what I have read. This one just set me off. Forgive me. I'm tired. I shouldn't be posting tonight.

Originally Posted by Tara

The website link you have listed is a political site with the same stuff being spread around during the election. Trying to connect Obama to muslims as if he is going to get in the whitehouse and start a jihad against the American people. I have actually heard people say this. Maybe I misunderstood. It's been an underlying issue in many threads on this website. I appreciate the article on the 7th century muslim, but I do believe that this is another way to scare people. Maybe not on this forum. I guess I should give you more credit then that. Sorry. I have nothing against muslims nor am I insulting muslims. I love everyone. Take a look at that website again. It's definetly political. Didn't mean to offend. I'm just tired of hate and fear so I may have jumped to conclusions. I have read other posts from you and respect what I have read. This one just set me off. Forgive me. I'm tired. I shouldn't be posting tonight.

Hey, already forgiven! (see my ealrier post on 'Forgiveness' lol)

Really, I wasn't trying to scare anyone! I had no idea who the site was by, or their views/agenda, which is why I said that at the outset... I really didn't have any political agenda in posting this, and I am aware of all the Barak Bashing and fear mongering of his "muslim" name/connection..
I'm tired too of hate and fear and all the politics and other division in the world... it's all a smokescreen... And full of spurious assumptions. Especially the 'Muslim=Terrorist" one... I think that's what shocked me in your post more than anything to be honest.. the intonation that 'muslims are terrorists'... hey.. I don't follow any religion.. but am intererested in Islam's Mystical/Sufi element.. just as I am the Essenes and the Bhuddists.. and all prophecy interests me..

anyway.. thanks for posting back to me.. much appreciated..

peaceful blessings

Originally Posted by Tara

Please give me a break. You lost already. Get over it. I'm a 44 year old american mother and business owner, and I predict Obama is with us. ALL OF US. Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming? The guy whose article you quote hates Obama. Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist. He's a mut trying to weed through a bunch of muck and fix this thing. I'll agree with the "tall black man" part.

He is being used and you are being fooled again.

Wake the hell up and realize that this has been planned for a very long time.

Your attitude is what is going to make it all WORK for THEM.

You people on this forum are turning out to be a bunch of FOOLS if you think Obama is an answer to anything.

He is being controlled by evil and he has accepted his role.

Wake up fools....

[Jenny]

Please, don't turn this into another political thread as I will move it to Off topic when that happens.

Worls Beyond 2 is not trying to have a political discussion but an exchange of views on a prophecy, a muslim prohecy.

Honor his intent.

Thanks

Jenny

thanks so much for posting that!

I had read the previous posters comments this morning and decided not to answer, as I just feel they had missed the point of the thread entirely.

I would just re-iterate to all, this thread was not started with ANY political intent, nor to provoke ANY political debate, or religious debate for that matter!

I am very interested in Prophecy... and this was a new one on me and I thought it very much worth sharing, as it talks of "end times". Just the same as I would encourage any of you to add to this thread any items of ancient (or more modern) prophecy that are not already on our (mostly Western) radar screens!

I'm not interested in party poilitics. Haven't been for years.

So please.. I respectfully ask everyone who comes in here (this post and Avalon), to be of peaceful intent/communication. Let's put an END to the bashing, disrespect, sarcasm, point-scoring or "you are fools" mentality that seems to do the rounds of a few threads/posts on occasion!

Even though some things in this forum directly conflict with some of my personal beliefs/values, doesn't give me an right/excuse to go in and jump at someone in that way! I might want to question someone elses' beliefs or understanding, but there are ways to do this and ways that get us all nowhere.... NONE of us will consider/learn anything new from anyone who is trying to make their point using that kind of behaviour.. so let's all try and cut it out and TRULY make this a place where people can come and share/voice/learn/even differ with each other, in peace and respect for one another!

Peaceful Blessings to all

[MacGyverCanada]

Army as far as men vs men goes, of course China has the #1 army.

But China doesn't have the stealth bombers, ICBMs, etc that could obliterate any standing army that China masses together. As far as raw military power goes, if we ignore operating costs, the USA is the clear winner worldwide. Of course, we can't ignore operating costs for long...

[Antaletriangle]

Originally Posted by MacGyverCanada

Army as far as men vs men goes, of course China has the #1 army.

But China doesn't have the stealth bombers, ICBMs, etc that could obliterate any standing army that China masses together. As far as raw military power goes, if we ignore operating costs, the USA is the clear winner worldwide. Of course, we can't ignore operating costs for long...

That was what i thought -the technical power of the U.S. could do some serious damage if unleashed-we don't wish to go there do we?Bearing that in mind the U.S. are prob. the stronger milit.force.
Anyway it's not about politics i find the prophetic side to this quite intriguing-no man is a god,men though sometimes fulfill prophecies.

[jcocks]

I honestly believe Obama is a good man,. I get good feelings about him - good tingling feelings down my spine (which I get when connected to spirit). He is going to be another "John F kennedy" type president, who is imeensely popular with the people and who will usher in huge changes for America and indeed the world.

I believe he for the most part his own man, and will provev himself as such. Yes, he probably did court the powers that be to get where he is, but you watch him and see...

I have nothing but good feelings about him. As for the prophecies you write about - all very interesting, and I feel Obama is perhaps more important than he realises.

Originally Posted by jcocks

I honestly believe Obama is a good man,. I get good feelings about him - good tingling feelings down my spine (which I get when connected to spirit). He is going to be another "John F kennedy" type president, who is imeensely popular with the people and who will usher in huge changes for America and indeed the world.

I believe he for the most part his own man, and will provev himself as such. Yes, he probably did court the powers that be to get where he is, but you watch him and see...

I have nothing but good feelings about him. As for the prophecies you write about - all very interesting, and I feel Obama is perhaps more important than he realises.

Hi Jcocks

The prophesy isn't saying Obama is bad or good, and nor was I, that wasn't how I read it, nor my reason for posting the prophesy.. For me, this thread/prophesy isn't about Obama as a person, his character, politics or anything of that nature....

it's about someone from the Middle East.. who held a prominent position in the Muslim religion and was also a deeply spiritual person, from what I've gathered.. who in 7th century (quite a long time ago!! ) made a prediction about the "end of times" arriving .... and he said it would be when a Western Leader comes to power, and gives a desciption of him.. which seems, to me, to be a fairly accurate and objective fit of Obama.

This isn't a statement about Obama being good or bad or anything else.. nor does the prophesy, from what I can see, BLAME Obama in any way, it merely says he will exist and take leadership of a big/biggest Western Power.

The prophesy, and reason for my posting it, was to share knowledge that some time around 1,400 years ago, an imortant spiritual man in the Middle East predicted the end of times...

Peaceful Blessings to all

(p.s. to all : crikey.. I didn't realise posting this on a forum which is all about possible end-times scenarios/coming global changes/predictions/future-visions etc, that it would get so misunderstood!!! )

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Tara

Please give me a break. You lost already. Get over it. I'm a 44 year old american mother and business owner, and I predict Obama is with us. ALL OF US. Consciousness is shifting. Are you coming? The guy whose article you quote hates Obama. Obama is not a muslim, he's not a terrorist. He's a mut trying to weed through a bunch of muck and fix this thing. I'll agree with the "tall black man" part.

All you need to do is look at the people he is surrounding himself with his advisers are from the Trilateral commission and the CFR . All looking to establish the NWO . Don`t get me wrong its long overdue that an African American could be President but all I`m seeing by his appointments to key positions in his administrations is the same old song and dance its just an old problem with a new face . The people wanted change so the PTB brought in a new face to do the job . So if your looking for change you missed the bus I don`t see it happening cause in the end HE still works for the POWERS THAT BE not the American People