Assault Weapons sales rise 8% this year

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Assault weapons sales has risen this year in the US by 8%. This of course excludes hand guns.

Since the eelection results in Utah, sales have risen over 300%!

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/top...f-989b567a4ddd

Floida is experiencing a similar trait.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/...cealed-weapon/

Could it be because of the Sarah Palin fashion statement, because of fear that Barak Obama will ban the use of these arms, or are people knowing something that we perhaps are slow at picking up?

Best regards,

Steve

[371]

This isn't suprising, though I think in many states any weapon with a clip/magazine holding more than 10 bullets is considered an assault weapon. So any gun with a properly modified clip is an assault weapon.

Economy declines=gun and booze sales go up!

[Waterman]

Americans can be as passionate about the second amendment as they are about their automobiles.

I am fascinated how foreigners interpret American culture, as many find it hard to understand the emotions that America has attached to its autos, and guns. However, in the states mass transit is virtually non existent, and foreigners customary use of it may be why they don't understand. But, the passion attached to having a vehicle goes beyond a means to get somewhere, but rather at its root, means "freedom." So, it isn't the vehicle per say but what that vehicle represents. So it is also, for guns...

For the most part the states are wide open country, and unless one is speaking of cities like Chicago that has mass transit, the automobile is eating, working, but more importantly....freedom.

And likewise so is the gun. Labels like assault weapons is political based, and came from leaning on the passion of the pacifist who got their freedom by what they complain of. It even takes people in the states a few to recall there was a "land rush" in Oklahoma not too long ago and Oklahoma did not become a state until 1907. Before that it was a territory.

There is a certain freedom fighting spirit left in America, and what you are seeing is the water being boiled. It has been boiling for a while, and it would have boiled over for McCain too. The freedom we have in America came from the people. And a government (elected representatives) that doesn't fear its people hasn't a healthy respect for the people, and needs a reminder now and then by freedom loving men and women rattling their sabers.

This forum is for the ground crew to prepare, so that folks could survive this physical plane of existence. It was formed so that we might meet, and work together for a better future. And surviving a rogue government looks like it will become the first order of the day.... Then it's going to be earth changes.. So we have a lot to do.

The wisdom to prepare is like being smart enough to stay out of the bad neighborhoods. The "knowledge" to manifest safety for ones self requires "doing" something, like driving around good neighborhoods instead of bad ones.

To ignore that there are bad neighborhoods does not keep bad things from not happening. I know there are some on this forum who would say if you expect trouble when going through them you will get it. But I dare say that anyone would advise their 16 yo daughter to go ahead and drive alone through the bad neighborhoods, and to not expect trouble.

America is waking up and saying no more corruption, no more stealing our labor and bailing out banks, no more fixed voting machines, no more patriot acts, but those that are suppose to be listening, aren't listening save a few like Ron Paul.

And so America is getting serious about their freedoms. They have been very patient and have given the elected a long rope and lots of time to correct things, but the good people of America are now looking at each other in disbelief that their representatives did not represent them. Just look at the bailout, calls were 5.000 to 1 favoring no bailout, and congressman and woman caved in to threats from inside the monetary system, and vote for it anyway.

If it were not for good agents in the FBI we would not have any public servants still trying to stop the treasonous bailout fraud by 34 banks. But these few FBI agents are barely hanging on by their finger nails, and their success or failure could well prove to be the watershed case that Americans are watching.

For members of Avalon to not understand that this forum was started in response to the NWO's march to control the world is not correctly understanding why it was started. And if a reptilian alien wants to interfere with an agenda for us to develop sustainable food, energy, good health, and life extension technologies..... then the equalizer is going to be setting in the corner of the living room. And successful or not, Americans will use it to pursue what not only has been stolen but they have been denied access to.

[sfth13]

I agree Waterman..when you look at the Declaration of Independence which contains this.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

here's the link to complete document

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

and the Second Amendment as you stated

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

here's the link to the US Constitution

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...tml#amendments

I feel our Founding Fathers put both these items in So we the people can be armed to Take back our Country... I hope this increase in gun sales sends a signal to the government to correct itself.. they work for we the people.. I know if I messed up at work I'd be fired..

[Hypnotize]

my only hope s that people point there guns at the "ptb" and not each other.

[sfth13]

I hope we don't have to point at all.

[Hypnotize]

Originally Posted by sfth13

I hope we don't have to point at all.

well I don't think the "ptb" are going to suddenly decide that they where wrong and stop hurting people, so if anyone try's to put me in a fema camp or hurt me or my family i'm gunna shoot em' and not think twice about it.

[Metaphor]

I think most survivalists and freedomfighters have succumbed to the mass hollywood conditioning that has been going on for countless years.
There is still lot of T2 Sarah Connor wannabees out there. And nothing hits a string more than defending the family or such. They are playing us like a piano when it comes to this. they have the backdoor to our psyche wide open.
People like Gandhi still needed.

[Hypnotize]

Originally Posted by Metaphor

I think most survivalists and freedomfighters have succumbed to the mass hollywood conditioning that has been going on for countless years.
There is still lot of T2 Sarah Connor wannabees out there. And nothing hits a string more than defending the family or such. They are playing us like a piano when it comes to this. they have the backdoor to our psyche wide open.
People like Gandhi still needed.

so your saying your gunna let the "ptb" do whatever they want to you because defending yourself would be "survivalist". well if thats the case call me suvivalist number 1

[sfth13]

[QUOTE=Hypnotize;77679]well I don't think the "ptb" are going to suddenly decide that they where wrong and stop hurting people, so if anyone try's to put me in a fema camp or hurt me or my family i'm gunna shoot em' and not think twice about it.[/QUOT


I agree with you and feel the same way.

[Metaphor]

Originally Posted by Hypnotize

so your saying your gunna let the "ptb" do whatever they want to you because defending yourself would be "survivalist". well if thats the case call me suvivalist number 1

By acknowleding hem you only feed their existance IMHO. Its like meeting a wild predatorial animal. Upsetting it with eyecontact or provoking body language wil only lead to undesired confrontation. A battle no human would win hand to hand against most predators.
Its the same with your PTB, you cannot win a direct confrontation. Ok, shoot back. Will you survive their counterattack? Probably not.
The true master warrior knows that all forms of violence will produce more problems. I´d rather use my psi skills than weapons. Taking on weaponry is the last resort when you are cornered or to protect innocents from being harmed. But the latter reasoning is to often used by gunpromoters to not being some kind of cliché I suspect is coined by the ptb to divide us with rethorical events not many of us will probably experience.
Lets face it, civil unrest is their creation to divide us. The guns you so fairly promote are made in their factorys. To give as a false security from all the guns out there. A downward spiral of seeking protection from a ghost enemy. Just like them. They only exist because we nurture them by believing they are stronger than us.

[LiquidSwordz]

This is GOOD news, that people are waking up! Our right to bear arms, is in the second amendment of our constitution. It shall never be infringed upon, EVER, PERIOD!! Im glad that people are taking notice, that the PTB have been trying to take that right away from us, for decades.

In the end, we will all have to take care, love, and watch each others backs, like brothers and sisters. The bible says LOVE thy neighbors etc.

When A NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY, or MARTIAL LAW is declared, we will all have to stick together, and fight to the death for our freedoms. Even if we have to put our lives on the line, just to ensure a bright future for our children.

This may be the last Xmas, Thanksgiving for us all, before all hell breaks lose in 2009.

[Dantheman62]

I've got a closet full, but they are all hand me downs from family so none are registered, I've been shooting since the age of 6, but I'd like to think they are for survival not defending my life. But hey you never know!....What's funny is my SKS is made in China and the ammo is from Russia, hmmmm

[xrockketx]

Firearms are for PROTECTION. What do you think might happen if a National Emergency is declared and Martial Law is instituted? The people will run for FOOD. When your local markets shelves become EMPTY quick, people will panic.

George Green said:
In 3 days people will steal for food, in 7 they will kill for it.

Where do think is the next place they might get food?

IMHO you'd better have something prepared for the sheep who never bothered to wake up in time.

But for God's sake, don't think you can battle or fight against a multitude of TRAINED military personnel who suddenly show up at your door.

Thats GAME OVER

[Humble Janitor]

I've considered buying a hand gun but I despise guns in general and I don't want to live in fear, sulking in a corner with a gun. That's not my idea of life.

[THE eXchanger]

i never understood, why people in the UK
gave up their right to carry guns ?

does anyone know ?

[Antaletriangle]

I have no idea on that one Susan i shall do a little digging shortly.
http://www.disinfo.com/content/story...bamas-Election
Bernie Conatser, owner of Virginia Arms Company, displays one of his rifles. The owner of a gun shop in the Washington suburb of Manassas, Virginia, Conatser said sales have doubled or tripled since this time last year. On Saturday, he said, he did as much business as he would normally do in a week.

"I have been in business for 12 years, and I was here for Y2K, September 11, Katrina," Conatser said, as a steady stream of customers browsed what remained of his stock. "And all of those were big events, and we did notice a spike in business, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing right now."

Weapons dealers in much of the United States are reporting sharply higher sales since Barack Obama won the presidency a week ago. Buyers and sellers attribute the surge to worries that Obama and a Democratic-controlled Congress will move to restrict firearm ownership, despite the insistence of campaign aides that the president-elect supports gun rights and considers the issue a low priority.

[Waterman]

After reading some of these responses I now know why there is so much tyranny!

You would not want to hear what my opinion is of anyone who is not willing to take the high moral ground and tell tyranical governments that want to point a weapon at someones head for "horrible" things like reading the wrong book they have crossed the line in the sand. There is a line in the sand and repeatedly governments everywhere have crossed it, and in America if they cross that line again it going to probably cost their lives.

In the meantime I've lost my patience with most philosophers thinking it's going to go away by thinking about it. Which is in contrast to freedom loving Americans getting ready to respond to a tyrannical government who brandish the weapon constantly saying do what we say or else.

It should be remembered that the RIGHT of law enforcement to carry that weapon comes from the people. And when the people say stop go no further and the tyrannical government won't stop.... we are suppose to hum and contemplate our navel?

I'm sorry but I bet Tibetan monks hum better than anyone on this forum and they live free in Tibet right?

When Ghandi marched to the sea, not one solitary person died right?

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a golden age coming, but it will come at a price. Our possession of that golden age is not in the plans of the current ruling elite. The current ruling elite are so pathologically diabolical that normal minds cannot even comprehend the evil. And they are willing to kill to keep that age from coming. No they make no sense, but remember the minds of these people are sick.

To quote Ben Franklin
'They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The first variant was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly. See Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin. [1]
The second variant was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) This book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts.[2]

Source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


So to those who are waking up, continue to prepare. Continue to make contact with like minded people. Continue to move forward with the knowledge we are going to have sustainable agriculture, nearly free energy technology, and near perfect health in a new age. But it isn't going to come without removing the obstruction to obtaining it.

For those that want to bet there life on psi, if you can demonstrate that you can stop a bullet with psi then I will be wondering why you haven't stopped the tyranny already.

In the meantime there many peaceful people that I admire but haven't figured it out yet are riding on the coattails of freedom fighters that have lost their lives beating off tyranny the only way they know. If those of you that think this is the wrong way, then stop them and stop the tyranny now. In the meantime make sure to thank those who fought tyranny while you figured out how to hum correctly? And why do you constantly slap people in the face and whine about anyone else who are willing to put their life on the line for your freedom.

In all due respect I think you are wrong and strongly disagree, and the only way you will ever prove I'm wrong is by stopping the coming onslaught before someone gets hurt. And if you can do that and don't stop the tyranny then maybe we are upset with the wrong people.

[xrockketx]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I've considered buying a hand gun but I despise guns in general and I don't want to live in fear, sulking in a corner with a gun. That's not my idea of life.

I think the same could be said by not owning protection.

[ophiuchus]

just remember all the urban cities in the u.s. are now plagued by uncontrolled gangs who have arsenals of weapons. they wouldn't hesitate to do in middle america and they're more prepared. and don't think that our dual citizened government leaders wouldn't agitate this and then provide them with ammo if push came to shove. we can't have enough weapons right now.

[Orion Morris]

So like I have stated before I live in a very Republican state and for the past eight years I have had to deal with them acting and saying absolutly brainwashed fascist statements.... Now that Obama is president the Republicans seem like the people who are most awake.... The liberals are all about America now and totally buying into the system while on the other hand the farmer, cowboy, right wing base here in Wyoming is talking about buying land, quitting their jobs, grabbing their hunting rifels and heading for the hills.... It is fu**in crazy... I have never heard everybody around me talk like this before.... a year ago it was the liberals but they seem to be back asleep and the republicans are all about starting communes and saying f**k the system....

Either way... I will use a gun for only one reason... to shoot me an

[dreamangel]

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

just remember all the urban cities in the u.s. are now plagued by uncontrolled gangs who have arsenals of weapons. they wouldn't hesitate to do in middle america and they're more prepared. and don't think that our dual citizened government leaders wouldn't agitate this and then provide them with ammo if push came to shove. we can't have enough weapons right now.

Agreed. It will get bad and protection is the only way to be safe.