Government to give every american 1,000,000 - Page 2

woodshreder · 11-07-2008, 06:34 PM

This is as I have explained on a previous post Admitted to me by the office of Kucinich via a telephone converstion an actual option to our crisis
http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html
Peace Love Light

Truth voice 2012 · 11-07-2008, 06:36 PM

I agree with both sides here in some way. I too want to be rid of the monetary system also (because its a control system like all the others) however, Ive my brain twisted in a knot trying to think of ways of how it could work and for the life of me I cant think of anyway it could be possible. We are so conditioned at this stage now that our brains havent the neural capacity to create new pathways to see things differently. Oh well, NWO: 1,
humans: 0 on this one.

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ralok_j

We may want this, but the majority may be scared of this. In order to to facilitate the change the current system would have to be exposed and destroyed. People would have to come to the realization that money, material goods, and consumption are the tools that caused the failure. But would this be positive? What if we, as a race, lost the desire or ability to continue medical research and treatment? What if our life spans decreased to an average of 50 years?

Well put,

Are you saying why can't we have a smmmmooooth transition?

Are we aware of a possible DNA transformation/enlightenment that will occur, thus allowing for the "new Paradigm" - ?

Maybe we as a race will "evolve" into beings who can heal?

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by woodshreder

This is as I have explained on a previous post Admitted to me by the office of Kucinich via a telephone converstion an actual option to our crisis
http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html
Peace Love Light

This is interesting... no comment.

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by woodshreder

This is as I have explained on a previous post Admitted to me by the office of Kucinich via a telephone converstion an actual option to our crisis
http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html
Peace Love Light

Well yes... a comment

How does this help the "awakening" and being prepared for "new" cycles so that we can collectively bring on the "new Paradigm". I am certain Nesara teaches nothing about "who" we are and "what" we can "BE" or "BECOME"

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jnana

If you give 300 million people 1 million dollars each it will cost 300 TRILLION dollars.

If you cut that back to $100,000 for each American that is still 30 trillion dollars.

If you give 300 million people 1 dollar each it will cost 300 million dollars (plus several dollars in processing costs for each check sent!).

The current total US National debt is around 10 trillion dollars. Divided by 300 million that means we each owe around $33,000 dollars to the national debt collection agency.

You are right again,

Actually we already have about 35k on each americans head owed to foreign nations. -

Okay how about 20,000 to each american

ralok_j · 11-07-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

Well put,

Are you saying why can't we have a smmmmooooth transition?

Are we aware of a possible DNA transformation/enlightenment that will occur, thus allowing for the "new Paradigm" - ?

Maybe we as a race will "evolve" into beings who can heal?

You can't have a smooth transition. People would have to be beaten up enough to want to transition to something new. They would have to have lost all faith in our current system and have such resentment for it that a new bartering type of system would be a welcomed approach.

Now if we did transform into higher beings and were able to self heal, we wouldn't need our current system.

371 · 11-07-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

what do you want 371? Would you still like to use $$$? Doesn't $$$ distract us?

Yes, and yes.

Considering I don't have any, yes I would like to have money to use. Does money distract us, yes- whether trying to get it or get more of it, and it does bring out the worst in people.

But a cashless society- hell no I don't want that!!

ralok_j · 11-07-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 371

But a cashless society- hell no I don't want that!!

Interesting. Can you elaborate on why?

371 · 11-07-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

Okay how about 20,000 to each american

I appreciate your opinion, but I still disagree. That's what they tried to do with the Bush 'stimulus' thing.

Any amount of money- whether for the wealthy businessman or the crackhead on the street- people are going to do with it what they will- help THEMSELVES. Whether to buy another oak desk or another crack rock, most people won't use it to improve their quality of life and will be in the same situation as before a few months down the road.

It's a band-aid solution.

Orion Morris · 11-07-2008, 07:08 PM

This is stupid! It has no point.... If you want to get rid of the system then quit talking about money... The original post is totally illogical and would NEVER happen... This is a waste of our time!

371 · 11-07-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ralok_j

Interesting. Can you elaborate on why?

Sure, IMO a cashless society (at least in the near future) wouldn't be like where everyone shares and it's a utopia.

It would be like what the PTB are trying to do with RFID chips that deduct credits from your personal account when you buy something. These 'credits' are what you get paid for working, etc. except they only 'exist' in some central computer. Meaning you have to go through an intermediary for person-to-person transactions, so EVERYTHING is monitored. And if you run afoul of the PTB, they can 'shut off' your chip and you can't purchase goods, sevices, and are pretty much screwed...

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 371

I appreciate your opinion, but I still disagree. That's what they tried to do with the Bush 'stimulus' thing.

Any amount of money- whether for the wealthy businessman or the crackhead on the street- people are going to do with it what they will- help THEMSELVES. Whether to buy another oak desk or another crack rock, most people won't use it to improve their quality of life and will be in the same situation as before a few months down the road.

It's a band-aid solution.

I agree 100% - that answer was for a previous post that was to say just what you said without saying it.

Ralok- is hitting on some key points.

I am sending abundance your way 371. It might not be in the form of cash though

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion Morris

This is stupid! It has no point.... If you want to get rid of the system then quit talking about money... The original post is totally illogical and would NEVER happen... This is a waste of our time!

comon now Morris.... it was meant for contemplation, which brings in discussions of merit. Sorry to offend you. Nothing is a waste of time.

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 371

Sure, IMO a cashless society (at least in the near future) wouldn't be like where everyone shares and it's a utopia.

It would be like what the PTB are trying to do with RFID chips that deduct credits from your personal account when you buy something. These 'credits' are what you get paid for working, etc. except they only 'exist' in some central computer. Meaning you have to go through an intermediary for person-to-person transactions, so EVERYTHING is monitored. And if you run afoul of the PTB, they can 'shut off' your chip and you can't purchase goods, sevices, and are pretty much screwed...

371, what is your "IDEAL" situation WITHOUT these systems you talk about. Maybe then it would help with the "new Paradigm" of experience.

ralok_j · 11-07-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 371

Sure, IMO a cashless society (at least in the near future) wouldn't be like where everyone shares and it's a utopia.

It would be like what the PTB are trying to do with RFID chips that deduct credits from your personal account when you buy something. These 'credits' are what you get paid for working, etc. except they only 'exist' in some central computer. Meaning you have to go through an intermediary for person-to-person transactions, so EVERYTHING is monitored. And if you run afoul of the PTB, they can 'shut off' your chip and you can't purchase goods, sevices, and are pretty much screwed...

I understand your position now. I thought you were against a bartering type of system. I agree with you, no chips!

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:24 PM

here is an idea.... TRADE KNOWLEDGE which turns into WISDOM which leads into ENLIGHTENMENT which breaks down ALL "old" systems.

371 · 11-07-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

371, what is your "IDEAL" situation WITHOUT these systems you talk about. Maybe then it would help with the "new Paradigm" of experience.

Well, I guess the 'ideal' and REALISTIC situation would be to simply get the economy back on track. Sure it's corrupt, and greed-driven... But it works, or is at least work-able.

Life is unfortunately not all love and light, you can't have the good without the bad. Its about balance, and that's what I'd like to see- a balanced economy.

I know that's kind of a lame answer- but IMO it's the most realistic goal to shoot for right now at this point.

edit- that doesn't mean not to aspire to better paradigms, I'm just focusing on what could be attained NOW if things go right.

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 371

Well, I guess the 'ideal' and REALISTIC situation would be to simply get the economy back on track. Sure it's corrupt, and greed-driven... But it works, or is at least work-able.

Life is unfortunately not all love and light, you can't have the good without the bad. Its about balance, and that's what I'd like to see- a balanced economy.

I know that's kind of a lame answer- but IMO it's the most realistic goal to shoot for right now at this point.

edit- that doesn't mean not to aspire to better paradigms, I'm just focusing on what could be attained NOW if things go right.

Thanks for sharing 371!

Isnt "balance" love and light? (light is darkness and darkness is light)

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 11-07-2008, 07:54 PM

lol@ THIS THREAD.. THE IDEA IS TO BANKRUPT THE WEST AND FORCE IT INTO 3RD WORLD STATUS.. THEN HAVE WW3 ECTECTECT.. SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT BACK TO SLEEP BY THE NWO ANASTHETIC OBAMA.. WE ARE SCREWED KIDS GET READY FOR MAYHEM.. THATS GOES FOR THE ENTIRE WEST

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

lol@ THIS THREAD.. THE IDEA IS TO BANKRUPT THE WEST AND FORCE IT INTO 3RD WORLD STATUS.. THEN HAVE WW3 ECTECTECT.. SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT BACK TO SLEEP BY THE NWO ANASTHETIC OBAMA.. WE ARE SCREWED KIDS GET READY FOR MAYHEM.. THATS GOES FOR THE ENTIRE WEST

Goodness

What ARE you going to do about it?

raegpoort · 11-07-2008, 08:02 PM

This is why america is stupid....... Check your math!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

raegpoort · 11-07-2008, 08:05 PM

This is not even a First Grade Analogy!!!!!!

sammytray · 11-07-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by raegpoort

This is not even a First Grade Analogy!!!!!!

My math was incorrect purposely, it was to bring in opinions on the real matter at hand. Who is the first grader now ?

Orion Morris · 11-07-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sammytray

My math was incorrect purposely, it was to bring in opinions on the real matter at hand. Who is the first grader now ?

Ya right dude... This thread is irrelavent

11-07-2008, 06:34 PM	#26
woodshreder Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 60	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 This is as I have explained on a previous post Admitted to me by the office of Kucinich via a telephone converstion an actual option to our crisis http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html Peace Love Light

11-07-2008, 06:36 PM	#27
Truth voice 2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 110	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 I agree with both sides here in some way. I too want to be rid of the monetary system also (because its a control system like all the others) however, Ive my brain twisted in a knot trying to think of ways of how it could work and for the life of me I cant think of anyway it could be possible. We are so conditioned at this stage now that our brains havent the neural capacity to create new pathways to see things differently. Oh well, NWO: 1, humans: 0 on this one.

11-07-2008, 07:08 PM	#36
Orion Morris Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 416	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 This is stupid! It has no point.... If you want to get rid of the system then quit talking about money... The original post is totally illogical and would NEVER happen... This is a waste of our time!

11-07-2008, 07:24 PM	#42
sammytray Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: OC/CALIFORNIA Posts: 587	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 here is an idea.... TRADE KNOWLEDGE which turns into WISDOM which leads into ENLIGHTENMENT which breaks down ALL "old" systems.

11-07-2008, 07:54 PM	#45
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 lol@ THIS THREAD.. THE IDEA IS TO BANKRUPT THE WEST AND FORCE IT INTO 3RD WORLD STATUS.. THEN HAVE WW3 ECTECTECT.. SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT BACK TO SLEEP BY THE NWO ANASTHETIC OBAMA.. WE ARE SCREWED KIDS GET READY FOR MAYHEM.. THATS GOES FOR THE ENTIRE WEST

11-07-2008, 08:02 PM	#47
raegpoort Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Grasslands Posts: 11	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 This is why america is stupid....... Check your math!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

11-07-2008, 08:05 PM	#48
raegpoort Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Grasslands Posts: 11	Re: Government to give every american 1,000,000 This is not even a First Grade Analogy!!!!!!