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You Create Your Own Reality - This is a common New Age belief that states that the things on which one concentrates one's attention increase. By thinking about the positive one is expected to experience same.
I see the matter very differently, although I acknowledge that reality and consciousness interact, however not in the way generally promulgated by the New Age movement... Quote:
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The skeptics they please me, they think for themselves.
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lets be clear here-
henry deacon and gregg braden and many mnay others who speak of consciouss co creation ARENT saying that if you believe you can turn into a smurf that you will, or that if an invading army is coming you can "will" it away. use the "matrix" movies as a parable. they couldnt will reality to completely change, but they could in effect "hack the matrix" to be capable of more. you can change your reality in significant ways, and your "in the drivers seat" youd be surprised how many people just think life "happens" to them and have a victim conscioussness, that they didnt CREATE most of their problems. this is a way OUT of responsibilty. now collectivley speaking WE have CREATED this crummy situation upon us, and the real trick the elites hold over us and is the key for their manipulation is that they have TRICKED us collectivley into thinking we are powerless. think about that, the illuminati consist of roughly about 1% of the us population if we were AWARE of our own power this would be over in a heart beat. most people are resigned that they cant even change their own lives much less the country or our world, this is the great HOAX. and realizing that is the key. consciouss CO creation means we affect reality together more than most can fathom. no one is saying you can wish things away or become a superhero. i advise you to look into what this all really means before you try to disempower people or refute what you dont understand. -kyle |
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Very well said Kyle. Looks like another example of "you are powerless and have no control" propaganda to me.
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Yes, what I have heard and experienced is that we ARE the creators of our reality, and it is our BELIEFS which create-manifest what comes into our experience. The problem is, most of what we believe and think is SUBconscious, so we have no idea what's "in there" manifesting what comes to us until it comes into our experience.
Thats the problem with "The Secret". While it's inherently based on truth, one can't simply "order from the giant catalog of the universe" whatever one wants because most of us have subconscious beliefs that say we are not WORTHY of what we want. This is what we are evolving to learn so intensely right now. 4th dimension consciousness says that we are responsible for ALL of our experience, and that the subconscious beliefs that WE made up create our reality. 5th dimension consciousness says that with unconditional SELF love, we forgive ourselves for making up beliefs of unworthiness, which are an extension of the ultimate belief that manifests suffering-that we ever separated from GOD. THEN we are in a state of ONENESS because we have chosen to LOVE OURSELVES first....we can not BE that which we do not allow ourselves access too... So, we DO create our own reality...this is a very, very important truth to become willing to embrace if we are to evolve into 4th and 5th dimensional consciousness. Spirit sources tell me that self forgiveness is the fastest way to enlightenment, and is most certainly what's called for now to move through these amazing changes. Everything we are watching manifest "out there" right now is being created by US, and is a mirror of where humanity is in the COLLECTIVE in this process of awakening. EVERYTHING I see I am creating into my reality. We can not become masters and conscious creators until we accept that we create all of our experience. That's how creation "expands" itself-by creating more self realized creators! |
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You don't create your own reality any more than you create anybody elses reality.
The only thing you control is your response to the circumstance presented to you. Are you being presented an opportunity, an obstacle, or a bit of both? Or is it worth even dwelling on? To believe that you have ultimate control, you must also believe you have ultimate responsibility and therefore should suffer guilt for everything that isn't to your own personal, self-serving benefit. This results in a whole lot cyclical navel gazing. The "you create your own reality" rhetoric is a trap to keep you distracted from service to others. patchjacket |
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Over the years, most of the "Conscious Creation" arguments - both for and against - seem to come from those who, for a multitude of reasons, have no clue whatsoever as to what it really means. The arguments tend to be limited only to the very narrow perceptions which the ego-mind is capable of grasping. The two absurd, worn-out, basic-facts-common-sense ("common sense" - now, there's an oxymoron for ya!) arguments presented by Mr. Topper and others are cases-in-point. By the way, how the heck did the notion of non-accountability ever get interjected into the discussion? 100% Accountability is one of the basic tenets of Conscious Creation - right along side the Law of Attraction and the Art of Allowing. And all three of those can only exist upon a foundation of TRUST.
The ego-mind cannot adequately grasp the concept of unconditional love either, yet there are very few who would actually argue that it doesn't exist. In other words, the ego proclaiming that Conscious Creation is bogus (no matter how wordy that proclamation may be) is tantamount to, say, an alligator proclaiming that unconditional love is nonsense. There are areas within human beingness where the left brain is simply unequipped to venture or to even translate. This is undoubtedly one of the primary reasons that, down through the ages, the Gnostics and the Alchemists have, for the most part, kept their gnosis to themselves. |
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yes it will appear that nothing you do changes anything, and you will be like a leaf blowing in the wind. When you start to look deeper into the cause of every event, you begin to realize you have a lot more control then you think. In other words it's living in a world of causation versus a world of effects. Living in a world of causation also means working closing with the laws of karma and darma. There's nothing "newage" about that. ![]() Last edited by Phtha; 09-25-2008 at 04:35 PM. |
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Apparently the highest teaching is that we create reality as unconsciously as we breathe. It's a function of being alive, like gravity is a function of the existence of matter. Much of our creating is unconscious and subconscious. To become conscious creators is our goal.
Radical Responsibility is, as BlueSojourn said, one of the basic precepts. You can't blame anybody for anything because you had a hand in creating it. If you are awake enough, you don't even blame yourself ... you look at your beliefs, actions, and results and change something for a better outcome ... especially as adults. Children have less say in this arrangement, certainly, but it can be said that life circumstances were chosen before birth. I do not believe in war, death, destruction. I am a creator and believe in life. But, look around, there ARE people who believe in war! If the great river of consciousness on this planet can be turned, those beliefs can change. The logical mind is a function of the ego structure. The ego was intended to be a bridge between the inner world and the outer world, but in our times the ego has been given too much power. All things not "logical" are denied ... a falsehood on its face which is conveniently ignored. Metaphysics and quantum physics get closer and closer together, although quantum physics is ego/logic driven. To arrive at true quantum physics, ego control must be relinquished, the same as ego must be relinquished in meditation or true meditation does not happen. At base, we are magical creatures with the enormous power of free will. How to use that free will wisely has always been the question! |
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What about all the people who dont even have time to create a reality before their reality is ended or decided for them e.g. prisoners, children, handicapped people? The last thing that I have ever thought about was jail and now I have to serve weekends because of somebody elses reality that some plants are illeagle. I find it hard to believe that innocent African children want to mine diamonds all day, or that these good harted people all over the world unconciousley wanted to work in sweatshops. If you want to argue that the collective mind makes the individual subject to bad things then that is fine. I can see how the collective mind might have sinister thoughts, but the innocent individual is not subject to just what his mind creates.
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If I may respond ... Orion, I have struggled with that question all my life ... how to explain any of that? How to explain good people dying young? My personal conclusion is that it is impossible to comprehend another person's soul purpose. There is a SOUL purpose being enacted here. The most arcane Eastern teachings suggest that it is not your place to break up a fight, for instance, because you don't know, really, what the fight is about. However ... I can't take that view. If a child is being abused and I have the power to do anything about it, I will, whether that is a right or wrong action by some higher law.
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doodah.. I agree..
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Things are slow here. Don't expect instant results. It also requires action
in deed. If you don't change course you will get where you are going.... just wishing won't cut it. If you doubt it, open your mouth and manifest a meal... The larger the mass reality the more inertia you encounter and the more difficult it is to influence mass events. It is like management by commitee, it just isn't very efficient. What you do have control of is your own space. When you see a train barreling down the tracks upon you, don't try and wish it away, step off the tracks! You must also consider the greater good and outside influence. Like immunizations for an infant, some things are beyond your direct control. Indeed, why did the people of New Orleans manifest Katrina? Perhaps they did and perhaps they did not. What they did do was make the decision to be there in the first place, or stay when being warned to leave... Sorry, I've been reading Sethian (Jane Roberts) philosophy since the seventies. I do already have the tee shirt and a good grasp of what works. |
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What about people like Gary McKinnon? He was doing good and I am sure he never thought he would get caught. Let alone be the one hacker that they decide to make an example out of. Or how about Lennon, King jr. Bill Hicks, and the hundreds of others who died when it seemed this world needed them the most?
I agree with you Braggywrinkle, and I think that your arguement is correct, I just have questions. |
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I thought Neitzche was dead......!
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of reality. At each point where you had a near death experience there is a fork in the road. In one reality you did die, in the other you dodged the bullet. All possible outcomes actually occurred. The "official" reality really isn't when viewed from the perspective of the oversoul. This doesn't even touch on agreements between individuals such as the victim who attracts the predator. The agreement done so that each may know how it feels. As a spiritual being having a human experience we strive to experience all that human means. I refer you to the classic book by Joseph Campbell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Her...Thousand_Faces These lofty ideals do not change life in the trenches a whit. Except perhaps that you might pray to the you that you will be for insight into the thorny problem at hand and then listen to your oversoul for answers. Or when you comfort the child that you once were at a particularly trying point in your life. From the perspective of omnipresent, there is no future and there is no past. There is only now. The question is, how large is your now? Last edited by Baggywrinkle; 09-25-2008 at 06:33 PM. |
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Mind control groups and propaganda have been around since the birth of the cosmos. Religions, media, social order, schooling, etc., just about any type of organized something has been infiltrated, to some point, by powers of controlled agendas working to disrupt, corrupt, and any other upt they can use as a means of dumming down the individual. They could be othe-dimensional for all we know or homegrown haters.
The New Age movement is no different. If we are supposed to co-create then why are we on this website in the first place? If it really is about fear & love dichotomies then why are we here? All I have seen, well the majority anyway, are threads concerning the possible future of war, chaos, comets, nibiru, alien draconian crazies, what to do when a tsunami hits your coastal home (do you think you will have time to flee), coronal ejections from the sun (can I get this on HiDef TV so I can be warned?) and all of this mind control fear-based garbage that - yes- does have significance. Because, without the negative aspect, you don't have a positive aspect. Yin/Yang, right/wrong, black/white, up/down, etc. The dichotomy is presented to discern. Why is my agenda any different from anyone elses'? It could be evil to you. It is peaceful and abundant for all to me, though. It is for YOU to interpret. The only thing keeping me from going nuts right now is that I have studied astrology and the yugas. There is some return of the cosmos alignment going on here that I don't want to miss. Even if it is false or a hype. Humans have to believe in something or they truly have nothing. It is the only hope I have left before I turn into one of "them" - those that choose to fear. I thought all we needed was hope the size of a mustard seed. If I plant a tree it will grow, given there is sun and light. It will eventually grow into a forest. I never would see that coming from a little seed had I not known that. That is blind faith. Take it or leave it. Negative seeds have been planted. I'm spitting mine back out! ![]() |
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I am on this Forum because I use Intention to change my own reality, and want to contact other who wish to change our global reality with the Creator's permission and for the highest good of all concerned. In order to do that, we must coordinate our Intentions with as many individuals as possible to make any differences to the present reality. I don't mean to "advertise", but my website explains it more fully..... www.futurerealities.info
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Hello Co-Creators!
Quantum physics shows us that 'we' are the OBSERVER collapsing wave FORMS into solid form. WE DO create our reality and QUANTUM PHYSICS has shown this to be the case. What ever we place in our FRONTAL LOBE 'WILL' manifest.That is universal law.Provided we do not self-sabotage the manifestation by ie-living in our past,continuously re-running the OLD PROGRAMME.It takes work and dedication. I recommend watching the 'WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW?' film.It is an absolutely brilliant film.And describes in great detail 'how we create our own reality'.The film explains how past,present and future all 'exist' together at the SAME TIME!Also multiple realities,ALL potentials existing 'side-by-side,re-wiring the brain, and so much more... Beautiful!x What the bleep is followed by another fantastic film called 'WHAT THE BLEEP-'DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE'.This Follow up film is brilliant! It takes us further 'down the rabbit-hole,and explains in greater depth,subjects such as- THE QUANTUM FIELD,how we become 'addicted' to our emotions,The Holographic Universe,being Co-Creators and creating personal Reality and taking control and responsibility for our lifes...to name just a few of the subjects on this fabulous film... Creating your own reality really has nothing to do with 'New Age'.This knowledge dates back to 'ancient times' when Humanity had fantastic knowledge. The fact is we are 'immensly powerful beings' with the capabilities to create anything and everything!And my word we do! We are really wonderful!!Humans are truely wonderful beings who are in the process of 'remembering' who we really are. Quantum Physics does a brilliant job of explaining how we create our own reality. We as a race will become a race of beautiful beings who are proud to 'take responsibilty' for our own actions.Knowing that we do create our own reality ensures that we 'do' take responsibilty for everything we 'think,say and do'.Time for us all to grow and evolve.What an amazing time to be here on Earth!No wonder so many souls have 'chosen' to be here at this time!! At a sub-Atomic level WE 'are' ALL ONE. look-up**QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT** IT IS 'BEAUTIFUL'!! We are 'sub-concious mind' Thankyou for this thread x Last edited by STARCHILD; 09-30-2008 at 11:54 AM. |
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The New York Times, September 24, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor The Power of Negative Thinking By BARBARA EHRENREICH GREED — and its crafty sibling, speculation — are the designated culprits for the financial crisis. But another, much admired, habit of mind should get its share of the blame: the delusional optimism of mainstream, all-American, positive thinking. As promoted by Oprah Winfrey, scores of megachurch pastors and an endless flow of self-help best sellers, the idea is to firmly believe that you will get what you want, not only because it will make you feel better to do so, but because “visualizing” something — ardently and with concentration — actually makes it happen. You will be able to pay that adjustable-rate mortgage or, at the other end of the transaction, turn thousands of bad mortgages into giga-profits if only you believe that you can. Positive thinking is endemic to American culture — from weight loss programs to cancer support groups — and in the last two decades it has put down deep roots in the corporate world as well. Everyone knows that you won’t get a job paying more than $15 an hour unless you’re a “positive person,” and no one becomes a chief executive by issuing warnings of possible disaster. The tomes in airport bookstores’ business sections warn against “negativity” and advise the reader to be at all times upbeat, optimistic, brimming with confidence. It’s a message companies relentlessly reinforced — treating their white-collar employees to manic motivational speakers and revival-like motivational events, while sending the top guys off to exotic locales to get pumped by the likes of Tony Robbins and other success gurus. Those who failed to get with the program would be subjected to personal “coaching” or shown the door. The once-sober finance industry was not immune. On their Web sites, motivational speakers proudly list companies like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch among their clients. What’s more, for those at the very top of the corporate hierarchy, all this positive thinking must not have seemed delusional at all. With the rise in executive compensation, bosses could have almost anything they wanted, just by expressing the desire. No one was psychologically prepared for hard times when they hit, because, according to the tenets of positive thinking, even to think of trouble is to bring it on. Americans did not start out as deluded optimists. The original ethos, at least of white Protestant settlers and their descendants, was a grim Calvinism that offered wealth only through hard work and savings, and even then made no promises at all. You might work hard and still fail; you certainly wouldn’t get anywhere by adjusting your attitude or dreamily “visualizing” success. Calvinists thought “negatively,” as we would say today, carrying a weight of guilt and foreboding that sometimes broke their spirits. It was in response to this harsh attitude that positive thinking arose — among mystics, lay healers and transcendentalists — in the 19th century, with its crowd-pleasing message that God, or the universe, is really on your side, that you can actually have whatever you want, if the wanting is focused enough. When it comes to how we think, “negative” is not the only alternative to “positive.” As the case histories of depressives show, consistent pessimism can be just as baseless and deluded as its opposite. The alternative to both is realism — seeing the risks, having the courage to bear bad news and being prepared for famine as well as plenty. We ought to give it a try. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/op...hrenreich.html ![]() |
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Ah. You are asking people to be wise. Haven't noticed much wisdom around these days, sad to say. Like the bailout talks going on. Reward the thieves? Or not reward the thieves? To me, that's an absurd question on its face. Yet they debate. Where is wisdom in all this?
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Hi,
Remember that we're all one ... ACTING all together as ONE is the most powerful thing .... Indeed it's not a matter of wishing but straight action ! I think this forum is great ! However sometimes I think we talk too much instead of turning our words to deeds ... My perception of the ground crew is that we can organize the physical/local groups using the forum. And we keep in touch for exchanging ideas and knowledge. But we need to start DOING instead of debating over and over again about some (same) issues. So can anyone tell me how your food is growing in your backyard ? Strange but true: I started growing my own veggies a month ago ... my children love to get involved ! Some seeds are doing well and some unfortunately failed. But that's just the learning curve. A windmill is half way done and I have experimented before how to get fresh water from sea water using solar energy. I do this together with my neighbors who are very interested in this stuff. Was it indeed coincidence that I moved into my, what seems, my natural radiant zone approx. 5 years ago ? Keep it going folks ! |
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Sorry realist but believing anything that comes from NYTimes is equivalent to
believing that 3 huge steel structured buildings came down from two fires. It defies all logic (and in the latter case physics). ![]() Nearly anyone, even the most materialistic of us, will believe that everything has a cause. The further and further down the chain of causes you go, the more you realize why things are happening in not only your life, but others as well. |
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wind round the stalks and zuccini squash carpets the ground around them. A classic three sisters garden. I believe Buffalo Bird Woman would approve... We have de-emphasized electricity because time is short. Our kerosene is ready for the lamps and buckets just need water from the pump for hauling. We put strontium based phosphorescent tape around the house so we can navigate in the dark. It is visable throughout the night.... |
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Thanks Baggywrinkle,
Sounds great ... but you've probably been working a little longer on this already ? Great example though ! Well in previous times I have been living for periods only carrying a backpack and live from that. So I thought if that's possible then why all the fuzz when living in an urban area ? I was sick and tired of traffic jams, the rat-race etc. I literally didn't feel human anymore by all standards !! I absolutely rejected that kind of a living ... so I moved to the Caribbean. I am also trying to cut down on most things. Reduce consumption ... If you are less dependent on 'whatever' you start feel like a free human again. I've built my own simple home ... with no mortgage ! One day I wished there was no money at all ... so people had to find another way to deal with each other. Given the crisis it almost looks like I already proof the topic of this thread is not true .. ![]() Thanks again for your reply ... now let's hear some replies from other folks making a change from urban style to a more natural one. Cheers |
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