Encouraging humanness.

[Racsouran]

Many people hated me just by my intention to not to deny some parts of themselves they despise profoundly, to encourage not to repress themselves, to an extent. Most of the time that was enough excuse to broke a relation of friendship with those people.


so i asked myself, that, when it came to that kind of "encouraging to be human", i was wrong when i encouraged people on being what they are when they obviously refused, by the simple reason life don´t treated them well. Trauma. ok, the point.


but, if you wanna work at the best potential, you first have to know what the **** are you working with. Then comes the obvious problems: people don´t accept you to impose the knowledge you think is what they are because it´s what you think is what you are. Ok i see that perspective as right.


but the perspective i see as wrong, at least, in this silly times, is not to accepting what you are if you wan´t to survive, if the worst case scenario comes to be, at least, partially true. No matter if anyone comes here to preach you about true humanness.

I am stupid enough to love people who treat me like pure insignificant ****, to still trying after countless wounds on doing that work.


I am a ******* masochist, i should be, even without being aware of, i don´t care.


But, after seeing what i have seen, after feeling what i do feel everyday, i cannot act otherwise.

[Kahunamahalo]

Huh?

[2infinityandbeyond]

Is humanness a word? , im just kidding

Some physical wounds heal easy, whilst others require medical attention. The mind is no different.

Some people live very difficult lives, and the thing that holds them down is their inability to conceive anything outside of their own realities. Its what we would call being stuck in a rut.
It can be very difficult to haul ourselves out of these negative mental personality loops, and sometimes it can be very helpfull for someone to throw down a ladder to those who are scraping desperatly at the sides of the pot.
To do this you must first know how to construct your ladder, so that in helping that person you are also teaching them how to make their own ladder. So they wont fall back down again.

Being human isnt often easy, and some people experience this very differently from others.
And without the help of those who have been there done that it can often be very difficult for people to get a grip on themselves.

Encouraging humanness is all very good, but it is no where near as good as displaying hummannes and leading by example. Being human means having compassion, love and respect for others. And for some, simply telling them to be human is not enough, you must show them.


You knew id post here didnt you

[Racsouran]

what you ask for is the opposite i ask for. When you ask this: "Some people live very difficult lives, and the thing that holds them down is their inability to conceive anything outside of their own realities".

I ask this: Get over that. Or die trying.

Being human means everything you can imagine and everything you can´t imagine.


if you give love to those people you judge as ill in some way, you won´t help them in any way except in keeping themselves alive in the exact way in wich their illness started.



I really don´t mean, for those who hate human experience, that they should stay in human experience as any kind or moral obliteration, no. I am saying that there seems to exists some natural barrier who prevent´s you from doing that unless you say yes, completely, to human experience, that means, don´t refuse anything, inside you, not like a mission to be communicate to others.

Just to get the grip of human experience to be able to trascend it logically.

That´s the key for real trascendence.


well you are starting to be a funny amusing thing to have around, don´t you think?.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

what you ask for is the opposite i ask for. When you ask this: "Some people live very difficult lives, and the thing that holds them down is their inability to conceive anything outside of their own realities".

I ask this: Get over that. Or die trying.

Well, you say that you want to help people. Yet you adopt an attitude that does the opposite to helping. That is apathy, and an apathetic person cannot be happy. The two states of mind do not go hand in hand. And when one cannot be happy themselves one cannot help another person to attain happines.

Originally Posted by Racsouran

if you give love to those people you judge as ill in some way, you won´t help them in any way except in keeping themselves alive in the exact way in wich their illness started.

Its a matter of choice. Would you rather people experience something joyfull, something positive. Or would you rather them experience something negative, something terrible.
Love is a healer. I know many people who have been cured by love and i know many a person who has been destroyed by hatred.

Originally Posted by Racsouran

well you are starting to be a funny amusing thing to have around, don´t you think?.

I'm glad i amuse you, i'm here all night.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Well, you say that you want to help people. Yet you adopt an attitude that does the opposite to helping. That is apathy, and an apathetic person cannot be happy. The two states of mind do not go hand in hand. And when one cannot be happy themselves one cannot help another person to attain happines.





Its a matter of choice. Would you rather people experience something joyfull, something positive. Or would you rather them experience something negative, something terrible.
Love is a healer. I know many people who have been cured by love and i know many a person who has been destroyed by hatred.



I'm glad i amuse you, i'm here all night.

oh my oh my. this guy called infinity, again hahaha.


what i can do with you?, i don´t know, do you really need any explanation from me?, i will leave all explanations needed to something more proper: your time, you space and your experience.


happyness is.... just a human emotion, for god´s sake.

love heals, and makes people not to move.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

what i can do with you?, i don´t know, do you really need any explanation from me?, i will leave all explanations needed to something more proper: your time, you space and your experience.

I dont need an explanation from you, i just like to know how other people are wired. Its intersting.

You can converse with me, its why we post on forums

I'm just interested on a couple of points.

* Do you feel that you are so evolved that you need not bother show others the way?

* You make a thread about being human yet fail to aknowledge that we are not human we are in fact spiritual beings. This life, is a very small drop in our ocean of existence. Why refer to one point of it as yourself.

I would much rather be aknowledged as a spiritual being rather then a human being. Its far too limiting.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

I dont need an explanation from you, i just like to know how other people are wired. Its intersting.

You can converse with me, its why we post on forums

I'm just interested on a couple of points.

* Do you feel that you are so evolved that you need not bother show others the way?

* You make a thread about being human yet fail to aknowledge that we are not human we are in fact spiritual beings. This life, is a very small drop in our ocean of existence. Why refer to one point of it as yourself.

I would much rather be aknowledged as a spiritual being rather then a human being. Its far too limiting.

it´s there a problem in being evolved in such a way you cannot comprehend right now?. Sorry if this sounds annoying but


i was talking about being humans because is the most easiest thing to being proven right. you just deny what i said saying you ar spiritual beings, ok.

right, let´s see how much you can handle, spiritual being, against me, a human being.

[Anchor]

@Racsouran

I am going to rise to the challenge of commenting on the original post.

This is quite risky as I am not sure if I have read you right - which is a challenge, since English is clearly not your main language. However, the language of our minds is one and I feel that I want to take a chance on an intuitive response... here goes....

Everything, every single thing, that happens to you in this life happens for a reason. There are no mistakes in the universe.

You are in a boat on a river. A river of time. You can paddle along with the river, or simply let it carry you. On the other hand, you can paddle like mad against the flow to acheive some objective. You paddle harder and harder and expend much effort. How hard it gets defines how much you are against the flow.

No matter what detours you make in life through your own efforts against the flow, the river will eventually take you to exactly where the river was flowing.

Your endless challenges are telling you something about the direction and choices you are making in life.

All the people you are trying to help, and everyone you meet are reflections of yourself. Everything that annoys you in another person, is a reflection. This is a game set up by the universe for each humans benefit - to learn.

I hope that helps

A..

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

it´s there a problem in being evolved in such a way you cannot comprehend right now?. Sorry if this sounds annoying but

Nope, not at all. Im just interested in why you think this, and how you got to that point of logic. I cannot fully comrehend the realities of probably 80% of the people on this planet, every single one of them is different. I would have to meet every single person on the planet and analyse them fully before i could comprehend them. So nope, no problem there.

Originally Posted by Racsouran

right, let´s see how much you can handle, spiritual being, against me, a human being.

ok, *gets his shotgun*

[JohnWdoe]

Being human is being a human... It is what separates us from animals and lets us build and speak in logistics.

I can understand your feelings about being alive and human Racsouran but you really not need waste your time with this simply because everyone is their own HUMAN.

Your quote at the end really intrigued me

"right, let´s see how much you can handle, spiritual being, against me, a human being"

I know what you mean and realize it has validity but whats it doing?? nothing... Alot of people on here are attached to something they feel makes them better loving helpful people, i of all people warn them about this as sometimes it can lead to a sense of "not being able to help everyone" or "i MUST spread the word about love!", this can surely have negative impact but the people i talk to and converse with are quite the opposite.

You are dealing with alot of intelligent people so i would open your mind to new avenues outside your current paradigm, heck its what makes learning fun - to be able to live it and feel it.

Be who you want to be and respect anothers choice to be, that is very human.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

happyness is.... just a human emotion, for god´s sake.

Not true, Happiness goes beyond being a human emotion.

If you have studied Near Death Experiences you will realise that nearly 100% of the people who have experienced this will have reported feeling a profound sense of peace, love and joy when they passed into the afterlife. Even if it was only momenteraly.

So to say that happiness is simply a human emotion takes away fromt the profound reality that happiness is what we are on a spiritual level. And the spiritual level is much more infinite and expansive then the human form. Happiness is what we are in our true form, and to deny ourselves happiness is to deny ourselves. And to offer people happiness is to introduce them to their true essence.

- To sum it up, we are happiness.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by Anchor

@Racsouran

I am going to rise to the challenge of commenting on the original post.

This is quite risky as I am not sure if I have read you right - which is a challenge, since English is clearly not your main language. However, the language of our minds is one and I feel that I want to take a chance on an intuitive response... here goes....

Everything, every single thing, that happens to you in this life happens for a reason. There are no mistakes in the universe.

You are in a boat on a river. A river of time. You can paddle along with the river, or simply let it carry you. On the other hand, you can paddle like mad against the flow to acheive some objective. You paddle harder and harder and expend much effort. How hard it gets defines how much you are against the flow.

No matter what detours you make in life through your own efforts against the flow, the river will eventually take you to exactly where the river was flowing.

Your endless challenges are telling you something about the direction and choices you are making in life.

All the people you are trying to help, and everyone you meet are reflections of yourself. Everything that annoys you in another person, is a reflection. This is a game set up by the universe for each humans benefit - to learn.

I hope that helps

A..

i am from spain my english is not perfect

haha now. thanks for your insight but it´s not related with what i was talking about in this thread :S

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Nope, not at all. Im just interested in why you think this, and how you got to that point of logic. I cannot fully comrehend the realities of probably 80% of the people on this planet, every single one of them is different. I would have to meet every single person on the planet and analyse them fully before i could comprehend them. So nope, no problem there.




ok, *gets his shotgun*

you cannot comprehend certain things because your brain cannot do so now. It´s that really really that bad?. Maybe you can later...... it´s NOT my fault.

Originally Posted by JohnWdoe

Being human is being a human... It is what separates us from animals and lets us build and speak in logistics.

I can understand your feelings about being alive and human Racsouran but you really not need waste your time with this simply because everyone is their own HUMAN.

Your quote at the end really intrigued me

"right, let´s see how much you can handle, spiritual being, against me, a human being"

I know what you mean and realize it has validity but whats it doing?? nothing... Alot of people on here are attached to something they feel makes them better loving helpful people, i of all people warn them about this as sometimes it can lead to a sense of "not being able to help everyone" or "i MUST spread the word about love!", this can surely have negative impact but the people i talk to and converse with are quite the opposite.

You are dealing with alot of intelligent people so i would open your mind to new avenues outside your current paradigm, heck its what makes learning fun - to be able to live it and feel it.

Be who you want to be and respect anothers choice to be, that is very human.

yeah everyone is human in it´s essence the problem it´s their minds usually refuses to ackwnoledge the evidence.

Im not here to impose a thing, rather to you to accept that the truth is trying to impose by itself, trough pain and suffering. Open your eyes to the truth. I know, it´s disgusting, but, that´s the way to grow as a human being....

Most of you call the lack of pain and suffering love and paradise, so what are you waiting for?.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

you cannot comprehend certain things because your brain cannot do so now. It´s that really really that bad?. Maybe you can later...... it´s NOT my fault.

Excuse me, we are experiencing some technical difficulties here.

Wow, you obviously didnt read what i said. But i understand that English is not your native language, and i dont know Spanish. So lets just put this down to a breakdown in communication.

Originally Posted by Racsouran

Im not here to impose a thing, rather to you to accept that the truth is trying to impose by itself, trough pain and suffering. Open your eyes to the truth. I know, it´s disgusting, but, that´s the way to grow as a human being....

Yes we learn through pain and suffering. We know that we have learned all we can in this dimension when we no longer experience this pain and suffering.

See this is what im talking about when i mentioned perspectives. I have been through a tough year, and i have experienced a lot of pain. But i have grown, and i no longer feel this pain because i realise that i will only feel pain if i inflict pain on others, and there is no reason to feel this pain. Instead feel gratitude and appreciation.
Being hurt is just an instinctive reaction, if you can change this in every aspect of your life then i believe you will achieve what people call enlightenment.
This dimension is just a school and there are many many levels beyond this scope of reality.

If you are experiencing so much pain and suffering it doesnt mean that everyone else has to feel that pain to be classified as human.
Being human is not exclusive to people who feel pain. Feeling Pain stems from a level of conciousness and there are many. You cannot claim one level of concisouness to be what human is, there are many different stages of concisouness and spiritual evolution.

[doodah]

Have you tried transcending pain and suffering? I mean, being done with it once and for all and still being alive? Pain is a starting point, not an endpoint. When you shed the pain and the romance of pain, the thing that is left is co-creation, which is infinite. The universe is magical and marvelous and is put together to work harmoniously.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Excuse me, we are experiencing some technical difficulties here.

Wow, you obviously didnt read what i said. But i understand that English is not your native language, and i dont know Spanish. So lets just put this down to a breakdown in communication.






Yes we learn through pain and suffering. We know that we have learned all we can in this dimension when we no longer experience this pain and suffering.

See this is what im talking about when i mentioned perspectives. I have been through a tough year, and i have experienced a lot of pain. But i have grown, and i no longer feel this pain because i realise that i will only feel pain if i inflict pain on others, and there is no reason to feel this pain. Instead feel gratitude and appreciation.
Being hurt is just an instinctive reaction, if you can change this in every aspect of your life then i believe you will achieve what people call enlightenment.
This dimension is just a school and there are many many levels beyond this scope of reality.

If you are experiencing so much pain and suffering it doesnt mean that everyone else has to feel that pain to be classified as human.
Being human is not exclusive to people who feel pain. Feeling Pain stems from a level of conciousness and there are many. You cannot claim one level of concisouness to be what human is, there are many different stages of concisouness and spiritual evolution.

again, can you prove you are anything else than a human being typing words on a computer on a front of a screen?.

Prove it, im open minded.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by doodah

Have you tried transcending pain and suffering? I mean, being done with it once and for all and still being alive? Pain is a starting point, not an endpoint. When you shed the pain and the romance of pain, the thing that is left is co-creation, which is infinite. The universe is magical and marvelous and is put together to work harmoniously.

the need for trascending pain and suffering is for weak spirits. you like it or not, that´s my perspective....

I you seek to be rid of pain and suffering, go get suicide right now, this people asking for a life full of everything but pain and suffering are just afraid of leaving a life that´s too much for them, spiritually talking, to handle.


Life is a shadow over your enlightmenment. thats awesome.

[doodah]

Ah. It's a choice.

[ForsakenFalcon]

I belive there is proof were all spiritual beenings simplely due to the fact of for thousands of year's now we'v had allience's with many different spiece's of animal's had we of not been spirited We'd simple just of eaten them all.

Same goes for animal's though geting a dog to befriend a cat or geting a cat to befriend a rat, eithen hand feeding a crow or magpie thats wild in Your back yard.

Not saying there isn't cruel a**hole's out there that do horrific thing's to them but what im trying to get at is it's the simple things realy in life that truely make most people happy and the complicated things are the one's that **** us off the most eithen in the case's of geting seriously emotionaly and physicaly hurt because then the complication then is the question "Why"?

[Racsouran]

Most of you ask to return to what you think you are without even trying to know why you are here in the first place.


if you are what you think you are and you ended up being here, it´s for a good reason, it should, considering my perspective: you choosed to be here by choice.

you came here not as an ignorant, considering the case this is some kind of reencarnation scenario. the ignorance = amnesia grown just as a mean to enjoy an experience without being intoxicated with anything external to it´s relative limits.

if your personally embedded yourselves by choice in a place completelly exposed to suffering, ask yourselves why.

obviously, you asked for it, you are a more evolved being that you are even here, before being born. If all those reencarnations theories are to be considered, evolution happens in reverse, something hard to understand, but, understandable even for human beings.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by Racsouran

Most of you ask to return to what you think you are without even trying to know why you are here in the first place.


if you are what you think you are and you ended up being here, it´s for a good reason, it should, considering my perspective: you choosed to be here by choice.

you came here not as an ignorant, considering the case this is some kind of reencarnation scenario. the ignorance = amnesia grown just as a mean to enjoy an experience without being intoxicated with anything external to it´s relative limits.

if your personally embedded yourselves by choice in a place completelly exposed to suffering, ask yourselves why.

obviously, you asked for it, you are a more evolved being that you are even here, before being born. If all those reencarnations theories are to be considered, evolution happens in reverse, something hard to understand, but, understandable even for human beings.

Huh!

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Huh!

[PodWORLD]

I wonder how some people would talk if they hadn't seen the matrix.

[Racsouran]

Originally Posted by PodWORLD

I wonder how some people would talk if they hadn't seen the matrix.

consciousness build itself in a dimensional matrix to be able to give the appropiate feedback to the human body.

[PodWORLD]

Maybe or maybe not. I don't know that and neither do you.

I like your philosophy as I dont see it being fatalistic but grounded in the now.

You could see the internet as training for conciousness - people from all over the world communicating with each other in real time but with the security of privacy should they will it.

Nobody has a clear and full idea of what existing in the mass conciousness is really like. You can quantify it in geometry or harmonics or spirituality or whatever floats your boat but we don't know.

We're getting there though aren't we.