CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!

[jem284]

My question is why is Cliff making these statements now ??
Why didn't he say something about Project Camalot before Bill had made his statement about Cliff??
And what makes him the expert??
Just some thoughts I had.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

I think they have a balanced message purely by running the forum.

They have done a great thing by putting this forum up and inviting people here. Aside from that, it's the members who make this forum.

Their message is based 100% on whistleblowers and the "official reports".

Below is what I wrote to Bill on the Bill Ryan's thread:

Originally Posted by sjkted

One strategy by TPTB to prevent disclosure is when there is a big incident to intentionally write up a bona fide document on the incident that is filled with disinformation and then give it to a certain number of insiders, whom they know will eventually leak the document. There will then be another document describing the real incident which is then given to a substantially smaller number of people and heavily controlled.

This serves two purposes: (1) TPTB know that if there is a serious incident that some leaks cannot be prevented and that people like us will be researching it and trying to find out what happened. By leaking an official document filled with disinfo, it passifies us into not looking for the real information and convinces us we have found all we are looking for. (2) It causes us to believe a lie which can be used in the future to manipulate anyone who has been briefed by the "disinfo" document.

My point in stating this is that if this is the case, nearly all of your sources would correlate the same information, since they had intentionally been given the disinfo document. They would believe what they were telling you and their documentation would be official. The only way this could be disproven would be by trying to correlate the details with outside sources.

Because this really does happen, it is critical to have outside sources that are not based on black ops whistleblowers.

--sjkted

[Zenbuoy]

"Repent!" - Dr. Deagle

"Float!" - Mr. High

"Dig." - David Rockefeller

"Yakuza." - Ben Fulford

"Shift." - Patrick Geryl

"Nibiru" - Sitchin

"Carbon Dioxide" - Al $ore


"Nibiru" - Gorilla199

"Nephilim" - Steve Quayle


"The Sun/Water/Quakes" - High, Deagle, Geryl, Ancient Texts & Mythologies, Jay Weidner, etc.

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[sjkted]

Originally Posted by jem284

My question is why is Cliff making these statements now ??
Why didn't he say something about Project Camalot before Bill had made his statement about Cliff??
And what makes him the expert??
Just some thoughts I had.

This is the second time he had made these comments. The first was directed at Bill Deagle's claim of a few underground bases being built every day or so. Cliff was analyzing prices and availability of concrete and was saying that it would be impossible to be building so many underground bases so quickly without affecting the p&a of concrete. In reality, the prices seem to be going down and availability going up.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Nor do I claim to be an expert on these things either.
I doubt that kind of complex knowledge is required in order for one to discern a genuine individual from a possible fraud. Because I was under the impression that this is the issue expressed in this thread, correct?

Majorion: Please see my last post. I'm not saying that anyone is a fraud. I think most if not all of the PC interviews are genuine people who are not lying. The problem is the information they are presenting. If Bill Deagle talks to B&K about seeing documents on underground bases being built at a rate of two per day, etc. I'm not calling Deagle a liar. I'll bet he actually did see that paper or documentation he mentioned. What I'm saying is that that doesn't necessarily mean the information is correct.

Therefore, what I am saying is that the PC witnesses are not frauds or deception themselves, but much of the unverified information they are spreading is simply incorrect.

--sjkted

[Kulapops]

Nice one, Zenbouy.. !

And to me that says... the Grim Reaper will get you everytime.

So why dress him up as something else, and be afraid of that instead?

But of course, a lot of people are afraid of dying

So there's clearly a market there, whatever it is you want to sell, you just have to decide the flavour.

Thanks for putting is so clearly, that we can see the message is the same.

We don't need to validate whistleblowers. The only validation you need is your own. Do we validate ourselves?

The whole finger pointing backwards routine.... if someone really doubts someoneelse's truth, doesn't that just mean that deep down they doubt their own by the same measure?

K

P.S Can we wrap this up, I need to go to bed

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by mu2143

It seems to me Cliff High is trying to proof that all of the whistleblowers are liars and his so called credible way of doing is to use Taoism (another Religion)???

Since when were we talking about ALL whistleblowers?

I think it might be more fitting that B&K are getting their paycheck from the CIA. The trick is that they probably would not even realize it. For example, a few large donations from a few people. Where did the money really come from?

--sjkted

[shybastid]

Awwwww Common.. You think B and K would knowingly accept payment from CIA operative organizations? Nope you did'nt say that.. You suggested they "might" accept UNknowing donations from the CIA.
Give me a break.... Camelot and Avalon participants are'nt THAT stoopid.
We watch the tapes and videos,we draw our own conclusions.
Cliff makes valid points,regardless of where or whom they came from.
CIA payed disinfo adgents? I hope not..Are there any here?
NOW? Who cares....
There is definatly a shift in writing on these websites.
Not just Avalon.
Collective Info Gathering? Big Whupp.
NO ONE here talks about stashing weapons and waiting for the MAN.
WE talk about preparing for asension. In this life or the next one.
Gimmee a break.
If B and K are prepping us for a suckerpunch that they conceived for personal gain? I'd be ******. Illogical.
Argue on any level you want.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

john harris take on all this stuff recently on a redice radio interview was to say he no longer has a mobile phone, he wont be using his computer much longer and he's gonna start going out and jsut helping people. service to others . mow lawns , tidy stuff ect. at some point we will not have the internet and we will actually have to go outside and do something with all this info we have.

the best thing is that in that situation is non of the woo woo stuff(as cliff calls it) is in the least relevant to every day situations of survival..

[Myra]

>>"if you present personalities who proffer extraordinary claims, you (they) had better provide extraordinary proof, or be prepared to have it all called ********."<<

Is he talking about himself?

Although I respect Cliff High's medium for gathering information I don't always believe that his info is totally accurate.

And as far as "extraordinary proof" I believe that this particular post of his is based on his own opinion for whatever reason, which does not make it "extraordinary proof"

It sounds like the NWO PTB got to him OR got to somebody.

PLEASE Bill and Kerry, do not ever sell out to them!

[Carol]

Sometimes I'm so confused. Do we dig, build boats, look for a cave, lay out on the middle of the trampoline or just go hoe the garden?

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Carol

Sometimes I'm so confused. Do we dig, build boats, look for a cave, lay out on the middle of the trampoline or just go hoe the garden?

Let's do all of them at the same time as quickly as possible. Welcome to my life.

--sjkted

[mu2143]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mu2143 View Post
It seems to me Cliff High is trying to proof that all of the whistleblowers are liars and his so called credible way of doing is to use Taoism (another Religion)???
Since when were we talking about ALL whistleblowers?

I think it might be more fitting that B&K are getting their paycheck from the CIA. The trick is that they probably would not even realize it. For example, a few large donations from a few people. Where did the money really come from?

--sjkted

O what was the subject again hmmmm let me think whistleblowers on Project Camelot and that means all whistleblowers on Project Camelot.

But getting payed without or with knowing who is paying is the difference or is Cliff High simple responding, because of the conflict. (EGO)

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by mu2143

O what was the subject again hmmmm let me think whistleblowers on Project Camelot and that means all whistleblowers on Project Camelot.

He's referring to Bill Deagle per the prior thread and he's talking about Bill and Kerry's method. I don't think he's calling BS on every single whistleblower from Camelot.

--sjkted

[Slerbo]

Harshly critical comments and then you finish with 'Peace'? Some people hammer others, everyone spouting their 'important' opinions - and then finish with the barf inducing 'love and light'.

Who cares...

Goodbye.

Originally Posted by Majorion

Nor do I claim to be an expert on these things either.
However I doubt that kind of complex knowledge is required in order for one to discern a genuine individual from a possible fraud. Because I was under the impression that this is the issue expressed in this thread, correct? About some or 'all' of the PC whistleblowers? - this has nothing to do with religion, languages, astronomy, etc. And Zecharia Sitchen is a moot point... if you consider yourself inadequately capable of discerning Sitchen's work using your own common sense, then that's your problem, not everyone else's.

When you say: "Yes, we can all do our own analysis, but it will obviously be heavily biased"

I ask you, and this wouldn't be the case with Cliff High as well?

So you're basically saying that we should depend on the views of Cliff High for discerning genuine honest individuals from outright liars? His opinion isn't biased, only ours?

If you don't have the time to do your own investigation, nor have the inclination, and you really find the matter so difficult, then you probably do need someone to force their opinion on you. But this isn't the case with me, and I'm sure not the case with most other people as well.

Peace

[mu2143]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mu2143
O what was the subject again hmmmm let me think whistleblowers on Project Camelot and that means all whistleblowers on Project Camelot.

He's referring to Bill Deagle per the prior thread and he's talking about Bill and Kerry's method. I don't think he's calling BS on every single whistleblower from Camelot.

And this part then on
http://halfpasthuman.com/timeexpo2.html

My bitch with the presenters, Project Camelot, is that they hypocritically state that their mission is to present the information that they are given by the whistleblowers and allow the viewer to make their own discernment as to its validity and reality. What Project Camelot is doing is expressed in many of the written parts of their site where they include references to ‘belief’. They repeatedly state that they (project camelot) believe that their source or whistleblower ‘believes’ their ‘testimony’, and therefore Project Camelot supports the position taken by that ‘whistleblower’.

[yiolas]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

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I read Cliff's site the other night, and I almost got depressed. He's building an unsinkable boat. The man with the time machine... is building an unsinkable boat, and waves 1km high will sweep the earth.

If I really believe that, I need to build an unsinkable boat too. I haven't started one yet, and I worried that I hadn't What if he IS RIGHT?? I thought. What about my living in the moment, and loving everyone, and joining the universal consciousnees and overcoming duality? These are my contingency plans. So what about my B****y unsinkable boat??

I realised then, that it's true - a man can't serve two masters and I don't think it's possible for me to plan for two outcomes... spiritual advancement whilst planning for a global killer. Preparing for a 'Global killer' means buying into fear. That's what I've learned after 18months at Avalon. I guess we just have to choose which eventuality we want to prepare for.


K

Yes Kulapops ! I've arrived at the same conclusion during my sojourn here at PA. I first arrived out of fear, and then stayed because I saw hope and the possibility of evolution and ascension within the words of the wonderful people here. Even the controversy between Cliff and B&K has been a learning experience for me. It has helped me to rely on myself even more in my process of searching for the truth.

[Kulapops]

I am surprised that Cliff has got into a slanging match. As someone here so eloquently posted Cliff's own quote about having to provide 'extraordinary proof' - how does that apply to his own technology?

I'm all for people having great ideas but when they start to take themselves too seriously (and I include myself in this) they lose a certain kind of flexibility and become stiff and brittle. This second broadside at Camelot has a slightly more bitter taste to it than the first and seems largely unsolicited.

The taller the willow grows, the more it bends.

If the world really were going to end in three years (and I don't think it will) - I'd rather enjoy this life to the full as a loving and hopeful being (mowing lawns if you will) than spend it sanding down a boat, only to find I die when the time comes anyway. (Can you imagine? "Oh Sh*t! It's sprung a leak !!!")

Peace n love n whatever it is that makes you happy

K

[Slerbo]

That's a good point raised by of few people.. Re: 'how can Clif's predictive linguistics methods be viable, when he has now decided there is no tangible 'future', as this then implies something akin to an existing 'timeline'?

He states he goes with the 'eternal now' concpt as far as the material world, inc. our body and minds (presumably not the memory) are concerned.

In his current understanding, he seems to now believe consciousness to be outside the time/body/aging experience entirely, so it might follow that a system of prediction based on humans possessing some psychic ability would actually be tapping into some kind of mass consciousness (which is not 'real body time' dependent), existing outside of the individual's material time space. I don;t know if i got that right... but something like that! So, it could still fit well.

Well I don't mind what Clif writes, he's a cool guy. I didn't mind the Summer of Mild Discontent series and sequel. I buy his reports with pleasure.

Does Clif High really need to strain and bust a vein, just to Mad Max it on the future Planet Hell? I'd put that wrestling mat away in the bedroom if I were him, and have a nice well earned sleep on it for a bit. I don't believe the frothing dancing Dr. Beagle and his ilk for a second, but I like those tall stories at times!

Bickering here and there... when, how will it end, how many will perish oh great ones? Oh the pain of knowing! etc... Many 'talkers' could be sort of right, you know, and sort of totally wrong maybe. But, we really don't need to subscribe to anyone else's views about anything.

It is good to listen to everyone, and accept there are indeed slippery deceivers out there getting air time too - so maybe Clif could simply drink a bit less coffee (the agro could be just excess caffiene in a hyper-smart middle aged man). Maybe also breathe in some other more fragrant fumes, not just marine-ply sealer, and live right up to that cool last name.

If everyone could just enjoy their fake time now, for god's sake.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Slerbo

Harshly critical comments and then you finish with 'Peace'?

Would you rather I said "war"......?

Some people hammer others, everyone spouting their 'important' opinions - and then finish with the barf inducing 'love and light'.

Anti nausea pills are dirt cheap.

Who cares...

Apparently, you do.

[Slerbo]

Touche'!

[gibonos]

@kulapops

If anyone needs to know what's real, here's a tip.

Just turn off this computer and sit still for three minutes.

There you go, there you are. It's you. Weclome. Is that real enough for you?

Real is happening now. It's only happening now. It doesn't come tomorrow.

If you are preparing right now for a 1000m wall of water heading for your house. Then that is your reality.

There's nothing wrong with that reality. But I don't feel like it's me. I'm not good with 1000m of water. Doesn't seem that I was born to deal with that amount of free universal hand-out.

So I'm going to try and stick to what I know. I'm just watching Greg Braden's 7 parter on youtube... and I have to say I feel a lot better watching that than reading up on boats. Maybe I'm deluded, Cliff talks about the one's who deal with fear , rather than threats.

But here's the kicker... WE ALL DIE.

Sometime.

What are you doing to prepare for that inevitable event? Got enough paper and glue? Bought enough dried food for that one?

What is real is what is real to you. And we are all one. There is no right or objective wrong, only your perfect expression of the collective atoms that is you. How could you fo anything, but what you were born for?

Love yas

K

tell that to people of haiti or ant other after natural disaster
I bet ya, not to many people thought of it (quake) as being an option, but it still happened. Thouse who took proper steps are fine, but many of those who thought they would ascend died, simple as that.
I rather get ready for whatever and than focus on how I wish the future would look like.
What option do you choose?

gibonos

[gibonos]

[yiolas]

Originally Posted by gibonos

@kulapops


tell that to people of haiti or ant other after natural disaster
I bet ya, not to many people thought of it (quake) as being an option, but it still happened. Thouse who took proper steps are fine, but many of those who thought they would ascend died, simple as that.
I rather get ready for whatever and than focus on how I wish the future would look like.
What option do you choose?

gibonos

I still believe that YOU GO WHERE YOUR ATTENTION FLOWS

[gibonos]

I still believe that YOU GO WHERE YOUR ATTENTION FLOWS

but it's only your belief, facts show something else.
Trust me I wish it was true, but so far it's not.

gibonos