Apology to Wilcock and Avalon

Dear all,

As promised, I would like to formally apologize to David Wilcock for using the term liar in my thread title. I do not believe that he is lying; I believe that he believes what he says - as do many of you. I believe some of what he says, and commend him on his bravery for saying it. I should have put more thought into that title, but did not, and for that I am sorry.

I would also like to formally apologize to Bill and Kerry for upsetting them (well, at least Bill) as bad as I did. My intent was to engage in spirited debate - which I got from many. For those who felt slighted, insulted, or abused, I truly do apologize. My formal academic training is grounded in argument; sometimes we history nerds get pretty vicious with each other at conferences, and in the journals (I've seen name calling break out at many a symposium). It is the dialectic I have cut my teeth on, and if this experience has taught me anything, it is that I should brush up on my diplomacy skills a little bit. It was never my intention to hurt feelings or inspire wrath.

However, I am angry. When one wakes up to what is really going on in this world, becomes aware of the collectively held lies, and stares into the abyss of a potentially nightmarish future for us all, well, if you don't get a little angry then you aren't human. On my search for truth, which is a journey shared with me by all on this forum, and countless others who are not, I just want to make sure that I am not replacing one set of lies for another, or, one set of mistruths for another. Most of the people who have sat in front of the cameras for Project Camelot are good people just trying to help. But at the end of the day, with no proof, no tangible evidence, the acceptance of their claims is tantamount to eating the wafer and drinking the wine - it becomes an act of faith. I am convinced that faith is what people settle for when the task of finding facts becomes too daunting. With that said, I let my anger spill out into a forum where it does not belong. I am sorry.

Many reacted negatively to my comments about Wikipedia, and while I respect your opinion, I am not sorry for that one. No matter how much or little you believe in the shadow government theories and the illuminati, anti-establishment propaganda does get published. I just went to the bookstore yesterday, and right there on the first shelf was Coopers "Pale Horse," sitting next to "Forbidden History," etc. I own em' all, and since beginning my journey have discovered lots of presses and other print media outlets that ask these questions. "Pale Horse" wasn't published by Oxford U-Press, but it was published - and that fact alone speaks volumes about this debate.

Anything read on Wikipedia or similar sites needs to be verified with the same scrutiny given a potential monograph. Eight year old Jimmy from Hoboken should not be considered as valid a source on say, slavery, as Ira Berlin - a man who has dedicated his entire 30+ year career to the study of slavery. Yet, on Wikipedia, Jimmy can edit Berlin. Forget Africa for a second, we have an entire generation right here in the United States who have access to huge libraries, and refuse to use them not because they reject the legitimacy of the corporate presses, but because they are lazy, don't have the attention span to read a book, and refuse to take the I-pod buds out of their ears long enough. Most of these kids are so tuned out that they don't even ask whether or not the presses are secretly controlled. And it sounds to me like that kid in Africa, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, has bigger things to worry about than deliberately tinkered-with articles on Wikipedia. The real trajedy of this kid's life is that he exists on a continent ravaged by the colonial powers, and then ravaged again by post-colonal dictators who build mansions instead of schools and libraries. Don't lay Africa's problems at my feet over Wikipedia; if I could wave my majic wand and set it all right for that kid, his family, community, and continent I would. But I can't. The point behind my Wikipedia statements is that anyone interested in doing real research needs get out from in front of their computers and get their butts to an archive, library, etc. - especially college kids in the Western world.

Again, I am sorry for insinuating in my thread title that David Wilcock is a liar. He is not a liar, and I defend his right to say whatever he believes. To Bill and Kerry, especially Bill, I am sorry for offending you as I did. You consider my posts abuse, which was not my intent, but I will respect this forum and post nothing else. I do believe, however, that there are some things worth arguing over - negative energy be damned. Project Avalon, I now recognize and respect, is not the place for it. I am genuinely sorry for the anger I have inspired. No matter what we all think, or believe, these are challenging times, and I hope we all make it through them together. I'll buy the first round of mead on the other side.

[Kate]

this sincere apology shows you in the true light of who you really are! It takes courage to stand up and say sorry. respect! you are obviously a person of integrity and you also have the insight to make amends when necessary.

your research and comments are as valuable as anyone elses. this particular forums intention is to offer loving kind support/info sharing to each other, in everyway. the comments from Bill and others feedback to you highlight this.

peace light
fire

[THE eXchanger]

BACK

[arcora]

Your stock just rose 1000% in my ledger.

Thanks.

[Jenny]

This IS the place for it.

I see where you come from and I agree on , let's say..Wikipedia.

I agree on what you say on finding facts and discussing things, opinions aso, negative energy be damned! grinnnnnn
( it is negative energy to many people who are into disqualifying mental activity and thinking for the sake of being able to stay in a cocon of " feeling good" to surpress all their fears.)

So stay on board and give us the priceless advantage of reading the opinions of a scientific mind!

Zjenny

[sfth13]

I thought we might have lost you to the Darkside

[murnut]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Dear all,

A On my search for truth, which is a journey shared with me by all on this forum, and countless others who are not, I just want to make sure that I am not replacing one set of lies for another, or, one set of mistruths for another.

My sentiments exactly

[Operator]

you ARE courageous ... I consider this the most important contribution to this forum.

The world is full of mistakes and the only way to clear them up is collaboration !!

As soon as we focus on that, consider ourselves among EQUALS, we have a chance of getting elevated as ONE ...

Fellow members, we can DO IT ... We CAN ARRIVE as one !
Let's keep this in mind during all discussions ....

Cheers

[Andre]

Very good, HistoryCircus! I think that we all now have a clearer understanding of where you were coming from.

'To Err is Human, Divine to Forgive.'

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Anything read on Wikipedia or similar sites needs to be verified with the same scrutiny given a potential monograph. Eight year old Jimmy from Hoboken should not be considered as valid a source on say, slavery, as Ira Berlin - a man who has dedicated his entire 30+ year career to the study of slavery. Yet, on Wikipedia, Jimmy can edit Berlin. Forget Africa for a second, we have an entire generation right here in the United States who have access to huge libraries, and refuse to use them not because they reject the legitimacy of the corporate presses, but because they are lazy, don't have the attention span to read a book, and refuse to take the I-pod buds out of their ears long enough.

Most of these kids are so tuned out that they don't even ask whether or not the presses are secretly controlled. And it sounds to me like that kid in Africa, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, has bigger things to worry about than deliberately tinkered-with articles on Wikipedia.

The point behind my Wikipedia statements is that anyone interested in doing real research needs get out from in front of their computers and get their butts to an archive, library, etc. - especially college kids in the Western world.

Historycircus,

Please accept my sincere respect for your opinions. I have not directly engaged anyone in heated debate here until your post. My reason for doing so in this case was to reflect your words to you, and my motivation was to point out the duality in your intentions and your actions. We all seem to exhibit these traits in our quests.

I watch my son embrace the culture and frameworks of society he lives in and he both reads books and uses wiki every day. I feel, I FEEL, that any intentional conscious propagation of known mistruths (tm) is a disservice to humanity. PERIOD. Further, I am glad 'Jimmy' can import his perceptions into wiki, because Jimmy may, at the as yet not fully indoctrinated young age, be much more informed than me on some topic of my interest.

If we must funnel anger, I gently submit that the adaptive behavior of our youth into iPods, distractions, entertainment and other attention span influencing activities are exactly the results that the controllers have carefully plotted, nurtured and implemented. I think to label them as lazy may be to focus on the symptom and detracts from investigating the cause. Have you ever watched a child engage in online gaming, I have, and some do research for the best tactics, network for clues, join in massive 'raids' to take down powerful opponents and solve quests. I don't condone these games or the inherent violent content and themes, but I observe intense engagement that I deem far from laziness. They seem to have been corralled and manipulated into what many would deem as nonproductive use of their amazing energies.

I feel the kid in Africa is sovereign and thus holds all rights to decide what to worry about.

We all have slices of the truth that integrate to become the whole truth, in my opinion ...

NAMASTE!

[orwellsbud]

Respect Sir!


Peace & Blessings
OB

[GregorArturo]

I appreciate the time you took in trying to resolve this, and gladly welcome your apology. However, I do love your inquisitive nature, keep it up! Smiles!

[Myplanet2]

The sooner we "get over" our anger, the sooner we can get on with the business of building a better world. And the business of putting ourselves in the position of acting as stable, sane points of support for the rest as they start to see the sham that's been perpetrated and start to unravel it.

It's important for us to focus on the positive. be creative rather than reactive.

The world needs us to be ready to pick up the pieces.

I see many very bright spots here, and see how effective they can be.

Cheers to all.

[sunnyrap]

One of the rules of rhetoric I've learned, and (lawyers have known forever)--and one I use to discern the value of an argument in any debate: the weakest argument always liberally includes or consists primarily of attack on the AUTHOR of the opposing debate rather than the SUBJECT of the debate. That is always my first clue to turn off any talking head on FOX (Faux) News.

[gundwolf]

This was just a growth pang for this new forum. We're all finding our way and sharing ideas with others with diverse opinions and resources of information. I've learned more from people with whom I share disagreements in my life than agreements.

Here is my two cents of recommendation for all people who post in this forum. Please be good reporters and check and recheck your information and sources before sharing. I've seen people posting information as fact when, after I checked their source, (if provided), was just an editorial or a secondary source that was not documented. I would be a nervous wreck if I took every post as gospel.

I have been very impressed when people with different viewpoints cite their sources rather than engage in conflict.

[Shakesbeer]

You're still coming off a bit too high & mighty if I was to give my honest opinion. Wow, you're a professor, wow, you got a degree...wow.. Fine dude, haven't you seen by now all of us are pretty much like "duh" when it comes to what happens next & the extent all the lies have gone? Haven't you realized that collectively no one knows the entire "truth" to our ET & corruption questions yet? There's nothing "new" about this "new age" esoteric stuff from what I've seen, most of it is thousands of years old. So what does that tell us? Well it tells us we haven't been told much of the truth by most institutional learning facilities either on purpose or not. And here you are finding any chance you can get to tell us how you're a professional academic. Cool, it's awesome you're here and yes people shouldn't jump down your throat for being one of "them" just because you're at a university. Just like you shouldn't talk down to the rest of us assuming you're the only educated (institutionally or other-wise) one here. And you're glib interpretation of faith in light of the current subjects really does show where the anger comes from & I only buy "the dialectic I have cut my teeth on" so much too. So that's how are "best" minds in the scholastic institutions "debate"? Great...and you're blaming the "kids in the Western World"?

"I am convinced that faith is what people settle for when the task of finding facts becomes too daunting."

Speak for yourself buddy, I think many of us can see that's your own frustration talking. Especially considering even the most ardent skeptic, atheist, material-reductionist, scientist has "Faith" that the theoretical concepts in his hypothetical experiment will prove themselves to be true. Once he gets the data and can prove it, it's fact. That scenario had nothing to do with "settling" and there's many more practical instances of "faith" that have nothing to do with dogma, confusion, or fear.

It's just you're coming off like you think you're the only who understands discernment, and are scared out of your mind for one reason or another. It's cool man, we're all taking it in as we can, but attacking people who are trying to help isn't going to move you along your path of knowledge very easily.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Everyone:

The energy has changed now, and we very much appreciate that. A sincere apology can have the power of a thousand H-bombs.

A note on anger.

It's fine to express anger on this Forum. There's a lot to feel angry about. Kerry and I feel anger frequently.

We ask that anger is properly focused and expressed responsibly. It's easy to make a mistake in [what feels like] the heat of battle. But that's what the EDIT button is for.

Historycircus, some final words might appropriately come from Aristotle:

Anyone can become angry - that is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right reasons, and in the right way - that is not easy.

[Phtha]

I ignored that thread in question after I seen the egos start to fly, so I can't comment much there. If you feel your thread warranted an apology then kudos for fulfilling it.

I will pass some information on wikipedia though. It is not being edited by anyone anymore unfortunately. It is now CIA controlled and is the same bs version of his-story we all get in public education and main stream media. Fabricated to the maximum.

See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign

[Anchor]

@historycircus: Amazing work man, you are a hero!

Thanks