Camelot Clay and Shawn Pickering Audio Interview

[Lionhawk]

Well I guess it is how you want to interact with a forum. Pending on what that forum is all about. If I recall this forum is about whistle blowing and seeking truth. Granted that is a different level as compared to a lot of other boards out there. No one said the truth was going to be pretty. I find most of the time that is an understatement. Many of these subjects are hot topics. It can not be avoided. The truth of which is often graphic in nature. The beauty of it is that no one is being forced to read it if they choose not to. And for many it is about coming out of the wood work because they are sick and tired of being treated like idiots because they may have experienced something that is out of this world and finally have some common footing to share in that. I mean if you look at all the suppression of the truth, it is no wonder that the balance of that suppression is finally seeking itself out. So in this case the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Also a warrior doesn't hide his head in the sand. He would rather die than to do that or dance around the truth. No matter how fearful that truth might be. The proof is out there. But once you find it can you protect it? There have been many days where I would relish in the idea of presenting the head of a Draconian to the masses. I have traveled all over the States and I have my ideas where there is access to these lairs. But with my limited funding, I haven't been able to exercise those thoughts. I have the will. But it would take a lot of resources to prove what I have seen. Plus the fools or idiots that run this country already have that proof but are to chicken or to cowardly to do anything about it because they have sold us out as well. It's a stalemate with them. If they disclose they know they would be the walking dead.

[mntruthseeker]

Of course the truth is hard to take but we do need to know what we are truly up against.

IMO we have a very good chance at winning this and if there is something that needs to be done.........we will get it done.

I am no longer walking around with my head down so that I missed the turning of the eyes or heads being put down when I come out of my house. I no longer care and the best is the fear is going. I dont even feel the anger as much.

LOL I have even forward information to police stations, embarrassed my family by sticking videos up on Face Book. I send videos to the hospitals and so far no one has arrested me ..... Who cares ? I'm here to turn heads and I love it when one of my sisters call to ask questions now. I'm not about to say "I told you so" but instead feel pretty good with just talking. I'm taking it easy so as not to scare but I do suggest they do their own investigation.

I am hearing story after story of "sightings" of not just UFOs but Aliens. Reports coming in from all over the world. They are here.....Disclosure has started and its not all Reps.

When I first heard Alex Collier years ago, he went in one ear and out the other.......Bill Cooper same thing. Not anymore....because I am more aware and awake.

So even if newbies listen its ok, Its needs to be known

Blessings

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Karen

Well, let's put it this way - I think some of them do eat children.

The ones talked about by Clay and Shawn were 16 in number, and were possibly a part of group saved from a ELE (extinction level event). And it was claimed they do not eat humans.

There could be many, many reptilian lines of evolution.
They have traveled widely in our galaxy ...
Alex Collier said they were dumped in the Draconis system quite some time ago.
He said they live underground on earth (gave a specific number of them) and there is a deal - if they don't come out, the greys and associated humans will kidnap the children and deliver them to the reps - alive. They don't eat dead humans.
If you want the more graphic parts - watch/listen to the above video.

Some reptilians eat children, some don't.

Sorry I'm jumping in Late here...

The description of the T rex type from the brothers doesn't really dovetail into the the reptilian types described by many here on earth.

Trex is pretty recognizable...

Funny...Maybe the dinos were "made" into someones elses image


And the reptilians on our planet gave rise to the DRAGON and gargoyle stories.

And catholic cathedrals venerate the gargoyles

HMMM???

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Lionhawk

Well I guess it is how you want to interact with a forum. Pending on what that forum is all about. If I recall this forum is about whistle blowing and seeking truth. Granted that is a different level as compared to a lot of other boards out there. No one said the truth was going to be pretty. I find most of the time that is an understatement. Many of these subjects are hot topics. It can not be avoided. The truth of which is often graphic in nature. The beauty of it is that no one is being forced to read it if they choose not to. And for many it is about coming out of the wood work because they are sick and tired of being treated like idiots because they may have experienced something that is out of this world and finally have some common footing to share in that. I mean if you look at all the suppression of the truth, it is no wonder that the balance of that suppression is finally seeking itself out. So in this case the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Also a warrior doesn't hide his head in the sand. He would rather die than to do that or dance around the truth. No matter how fearful that truth might be. The proof is out there. But once you find it can you protect it? There have been many days where I would relish in the idea of presenting the head of a Draconian to the masses. I have traveled all over the States and I have my ideas where there is access to these lairs. But with my limited funding, I haven't been able to exercise those thoughts. I have the will. But it would take a lot of resources to prove what I have seen. Plus the fools or idiots that run this country already have that proof but are to chicken or to cowardly to do anything about it because they have sold us out as well. It's a stalemate with them. If they disclose they know they would be the walking dead.

LH....IS there an internet sightings database??

Anyone?

We could actually triangulate sightings using Google earth and some basic cartography to find probabilities of entrance points...

In other words......Find the b@sterds....

[Unified Serenity]

Defending yourself or attacking the negative forces is not about muscle power, but rather spirit power. Ever wonder why the Catholic church demonized the wise ones, "Witta" commonly now called "witches"? It is a primary lesson of witches to learn how to control their own energy, how to visualize to thus create above and manifest below.

Few are interested in learning the esoteric arts. I have devoted my life to learning them and mastering them. Is one ever a true master? I doubt it, for there is always another area to focus upon and learn. Few can truly meditate, ground, and center themselves to be in a positive detached and unconditionally loving state. For every spiritual truth there is a counterfeit. How do you know what one you are being presented to learn? That is where the gift of discernment and walking in the true light of the creator comes into play. Be assured that the counterfeit path feels great, looks great, and yet has a slightly off energetic taste to it. You won't recognize the poisonous taste if you have not developed the taste of the true path, and yet therein lies a dilemma. Just talking about a "right" path makes most people's flags go up and hear an internal voice saying, "Warning Will Robinson, Warning". I do not discount that internal voice for it is only with much searching, time spent in prayer / meditation / contemplation that one can know the right path. In my experience, it is not a path that says you have to do things one certain way, but more to the point, it is about where that path is heading.

Does this action free the soul? Does this path lead to more openness and spiritual evolution? Does the outcome of what you are doing lead you into darkness and negative energy personally? Only you can know those answers.

I do know that the entities on the negative path cannot stand true higher vibrational energy. They cannot travel into the upper astral realms, and that is where you need to reside spiritually. Yes, we are in 3d bodies, but spiritually we choose where to walk in astral or 3d. 3d is very low vibrational energy. Lower astral is full of negative energy, and if you want to become a true light warrior you have to learn to reside on a higher level and not get sucked via 3d emotions both high or low (happy or sad/fearful), but rather in a contented state of being that does not become attached to the things of this world. That is much more easily said than done. It is something most mystics work years to attain. Often they leave society because it is just to hard to be an active part of this world and not get sucked into 3d living and emotions. Being detached is not about not caring. It is done with the highest level of love for all souls, and seeking truth no matter what one's pre-conceived beliefs are. In that state of being one can respond to situations and circumstances rather than react. The negative entities rely on the fact that mankind does act like animals and react to situations in pre-determined ways. Stop being a programmed 3d animal.

Much love and respect,


Unified Serenity

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by eleni

Seahore/MN/Jacqui-

I'm not active on the other forum- I read it on occasion but do check out the Clay and Shawns info on there- the diamond people (don't know what else to call them) supposed come from a lower vibrational level.....it was interesting to read. Forum initials OM.

Thanks for understanding- difficult to talk about this aspect without getting upset.

When I worked with late John Mack we went back to the time I was in mother's womb and it was discovered I was being abducted even back then/DNA tampered with. I have no idea how this was done or what exactly was done.

I would like full disclosure on all of the related MKULTRA (for lack of better term if that is indeed the true term) projects so that we who have been used can come to a better understanding (maybe that's too hopeful) of what went on. And the implants we have been implanted with taken out under best medical supervision etc;


Jacqui- I had a eye headache that lasted over a week after I emailed you- I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence. I'll email you again as I enjoyed conversing with you.

MN- I don't wish to protect them but I think if you understood more of my background you might understand. Also my adopted mother has a handler, this handler was my father's mistress and is my mother's best friend and is part of this whole mess. She is a key Illuminati figure- I have already said too much but she knows I know. And she is alive and ticking at almost 85 years, looks quite young etc; Once she dies I have no issue outing her name....


Also due to my family and their circle publicity would draw attention, everyone I grew up around was/is Illuminati- this covers political figures, major media, major corporations, royalty, key religious figures, etc;

So I can't just come out in the open and tell my story . Bill and Kerry do know it as I have told them face to face and without going into too many details Kerry even worked for my late father.

Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/fee...25-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

[Antonia]

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO

Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/fee...25-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

I thought this post was important so I started the thread "The Tricks 'Democracies' Use to Hide Corruption & High Level Crimes."

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….

Antonia,

Thank you. This is one powerful post.

[Lionhawk]

Also to clarify what I use to relish in as far as ideas, that has passed. Unified is very correct in her posting as to how this works. It's when we react that gets us into trouble. To operate with a resonate frequency instead of a frequency we would judge within ourselves as higher or lower is the key to getting things done the way we should be getting it done.

[NicholaQuinn]

I think Kerry and Bill are providing us with some brilliant information. The Pickering brothers interview is just one example of this.
I had never heard of these two until I found them both on Project Camelot.
I found there audio interview fascinating and I will definatley be looking forward to hearing more of them.
Kerry and Bill keep up the good work.x

[burgundia]

Thank you Antonia for your post!!!!!!!!!! You should post it on all threads. I am tired of humans complaining how they are treated by other species, tortured or eaten. We do the most despicable things to other creatures on this planet. So stop accusing others until you clean up your own act.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

The above post by Antonia is very appropriate and timely . We human have an inflated opinion of our own species . When I hear by some whistle blowers that we humans are special it makes me laugh . Yes special feeding lot , special living containers full of vitamins, hormones and other biologically produced compounds that enhance the senses and capabilities of Alien visitors . I can imagine that we are prized as human guinea pigs for genetic experimentation , cross breeding with other species for the final goal of achieving a more advanced form .
The funny part is that if we really think that we are so special respect to other species that share this planet with us , how come we are so cruel to members of our own species that are of different religion , race , education or sexual inclinations ?
How come we tolerate the fact that thousands of children are victims every day of famine and preventable diseases . 2 billion people live with less that $2 a day . Is this a civilization worth fighting for ?
Are we as a species worth worrying about it ?

[Jacqui D]

Thank you Antonia, this is exactly how i feel, you have said it how i could not.




Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker
defenceless living beings??

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.

Can someone recommend to me a source that explains how this is accomplished? Can it be called technology?

[mntruthseeker]

United Serenity............thank you very much for your wonderful insight

Antonia ..................... thank you for helping me get over this terrible sadness that has been with me since with all said on this thread. Your words were powerful and needed during this time. I knew in my heart that there were humans doing this but that thought was buried with the idea IMO they were not real human beings. How naive of me to thing that.

Love and Blessings to all of you

[Carol]

My husband, who has a very good BS meter, listened and walked away disgusted saying Clay and Shawn Pickering were lying. I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports and who is to say that their source is not a disinfo agent just out there to create more confusion among the general pop.

[eleni]

I don't feel Shawn and Clay are lying- rather Source A could be feeding them disinfo and now the fringe public are eating it up......even the forum members over there are having an issue.

Enemy of NWO- thank you for sharing your wife's story.Very interesting.

If I were a human eating reptilian, I would want to make sure my source of meat was pure and free from drugs, pollutants, etc; people of planet earth don't fit that criteria. Don't people think they would be discerning? As to eating earth's children because they are more pure- that is also untrue because average newborn is born with hundreds of contaminents. Something to think about.

I would guess they have pure farms out there (somewhere) where the atmosphere and feed given suit their needs.
This is all just a guess or maybe they are as stupid as the average earth human who doesn't care what chemicals go in their body?


I also don't believe in reptoids or human Illuminati members that shapeshift (they only wish they could). People give them more esoteric power than they deserve.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Carol

I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports...

There's a first time for everything...

[Jacqui D]

These two guys sounded legit to me but as Eleni said their source may be the one feeding dis info.
I have been trying to find the post on The watchers link but because it was pulled i feel the information i was looking for may have been in these postings, basically what barry king was saying and warning was "look out for further whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork in the near future!" they were not the exact words so please do not quote me but he was saying that this will be something happening!
Are clay and shawn dis info's i do get the feeling they are telling the truth as far as the information is given to them.

[Lionhawk]

It was also a long interview and I thought it was well done. However it really didn't do a thing except get me thinking to myself that I got nothing. I am sure Kerry and Bill felt the same way. I bet you they will change their strategy on that for the next one.

[Antonia]

Hi Seashore...you wanted some one to explain how humans like reptilians use black magic ritual to manipulate mater and the matrix... well from Montauk and Dulce (high tech) to Illumiati child sacrifice rtuals to Vodoo ...

Here's an excepert from Human rights country of origin report for an Asylem case I'm working with.... its from 2009...
This stuff happens in many countries on the African continent...and is openly talked about... In countries like the UK or the USA it's all very hush hush and deep under ground... and parctised by factions of the elite... I'm not trying to pick on Nigeria here.. it's just that the report just happens to be about Nigeria as I am dealing with a wonderful, brave, wise and compasionate beyond beliefe indeviual. who is Nigerian and represents all that is inspirational of her natal people and culture and who happens to be seeking asylem here in Irelandd for other reasons..(not on grounds of Vodoo) but this was in the long detailed human rights report, so I'm using it as an example..



TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS AND RITUAL KILLINGS

19.11 The Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) Research Directorate published a response to a country of origin information request, dated 22 July 2005, about the prevalence of ritual murder and human sacrifice and reaction by government authorities. An associate professor and chair of the Department of Anthropology at Franklin and Marshall College (Pennsylvania, USA) was consulted. The professor stated:

“ ‘Ritual murder’ is actually a legal category, a holdover from the British colonial days that can be prosecuted under Nigerian law. It refers to the killing of human beings for ritual purposes (one of which might be characterized as human sacrifice)…ritual murder covers all delicts [offences] that relate to the murder of people and the use of human parts for any magical purpose, whereas in sacrifice the killing of a person to mollify deities is the point. A sacrifice seems more central to religious practice and even more dignified in some sense than what ‘ritual murder’ is meant to cover.” [38c]

The professor also added that anyone is a potential victim of ritual killing, although the old are considered to be of less value than the very young and fertile. [38c]

19.12 Regarding how effective the authorities are in investigating ritual killings, the professor said:

“‘In the past, there have been few arrests - but a lot of splashy press coverage. In the ‘Otokoto saga,’ however, there were some quite important people arrested, several of whom were executed. According to published reports, there have been a few, other cases where arrests have been made as well. But mostly the idea of ritual murder sits there and people fear it, not least because they think the police and courts have been co-opted by the wealthy murderers.’ ” [38c]

19.13 The IRB Research Directorate also consulted a professor at the Africana Studies and Research Centre at Cornell University (USA), who explained that:“Human sacrifices involve the participation of the community in a formalized manner, while ritual murders are individual acts, often performed following consultation or with the participation of a shaman or witch doctor, and are designed to call the favour of the gods onto an individual.” [38c]

19.14 In February 2000, the IRB Research Directorate also consulted a Lagos-based lawyer and director of the Constitutional Rights Project NGO, who explained that: “Ritual murders are not usually associated with any particular group…ritual killings are perpetrated mainly by ‘native doctors’ who have been involved in this since time immemorial, mostly through traditional cultic practices that have nothing to do with modern-day cults…those who perform ritual murders are individuals working for their own profit.” [38c]

19.15 A report by Leo Igwe, published by Earthward, in 2005 added:

“Generally, ritual killing is a common practice in Nigeria. Every year, hundreds of Nigerians lose their lives to ritual murders, also known as head-hunters. These head hunters [sic] go in search of human parts – head, breast, tongue, sexual organs – at the behest of witchdoctors, juju priests and traditional medicine men who require them for some sacrifices or for the preparation of assorted magical portions [sic]. Recently, there have been several reported cases of individuals who were kidnapped, killed or had their bodies mutilated by ritualists in Nigeria…and now, the question is: why do Nigerians still engage in such bloody, brutal and barbaric acts and atrocities even in this 21st century? For me [Igwe], there are three reasons for that.

“1. Religion: Nigerian is a deeply religious society. Most Nigerians believe in the existence of supernatural beings, and that these transcendental entities can be influenced through ritual acts and sacrifices. Ritual making constitutes part of the people’s traditional religious practice and observance. Nigerians engage in ritual acts to appease the gods, seek supernatural favours or to ward off misfortune. Many do so out of fear of unpleasant spiritual consequences, if they default. So at the root of spiritual killing in Nigeria is religion, theism, supernaturalism and occultism.

“2. Superstition:- Nigeria is a society where most beliefs are still informed by unreason, dogmas, myth making and magical thinking. In Nigeria, belief in ghosts, juju, charms and witchcraft is prevalent and widespread. Nigerians believe that magical portions [sic] prepared with human heads, breasts, tongues, eyes, and sexual organs can enhance one’s political and financial fortunes; that juju, charms and amulets can protect individuals against business failures, sickness and diseases, accidents and spiritual attacks. In fact, ritual-making is perceived as an act of spiritual fortification.

“3. Poverty:- Most often, Nigerians engage [in] killing for money-making purposes. Among Nigerians, there is this popular belief in a special kind of ritual, performed with human blood or body parts that can bring money or wealth, even though such a belief lacks any basis in reason, science or common sense [sic].

“For example, there has never been a single proven instance of any Nigerian who became rich through a money making ritual. And still the belief in ‘ritual wealth’ or ‘blood money’ remain strong among the people, and features prominently in the nation’s media and film industry. Most times, what we hear are stories and speculations founded on ignorance and hearsay. For instance Nigerians who enrich themselves through dubious and questionable means, like the scammers who swindle foreigners, are said to have indulged in money-making rituals using the blood or body parts of their parents, wives, children or other close relations. So driven by ignorance, poverty, desperation, gullibility and irrationalism, Nigerians murder fellow Nigerians for rituals.” [36]

19.16 The Norwegian Landinfo (Norwegian Country of Origin Information Centre) 2006 Fact-Finding Mission Report on Nigeria added further:

“Asylum applications presented by Nigerians [in Norway] regularly contain claims that the applicant fears persecution from persons or groups threatening to use occult powers, or juju [italics in document]. This is the common term in Nigerian English for all religious practices with some sort of basis in traditional African animist religion. Such practices are common among the substantial minority of Nigerians who are neither Christians nor Muslims, but they also influence the religious life and outlook of many Christians and Muslim Nigerians, whose religious practice must be categorised as syncretistic. Even more importantly, many Christian and Muslim Nigerians who themselves will not get involved in rites and rituals associated with traditional religion, may still regard occult forces as very real influences to be reckoned with in their lives. Thus the fear of being a victim of other people’s (attempted) manipulation of supernatural forces is very widespread. As Pastor Dayo Olutayo put it, ‘many are suspicious that people are after them, and think they don’t succeed because of other people’s evil intentions’. Pastor Olutayo also stressed that it is not unusual that people blame other people’s use of witchcraft as an excuse for not dealing with their own problems.” [40b] (p18)


Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

[eleni]

FWIW- Bruce Maccabee has met Source A and verified his identity.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

This document is describing superstitition, right?

I have gotten the impression lately from programs that I've listened to, that there is magic that is practiced that encompasses some kind of technology that secret societies know about but we don't.

I don't know...

[Karen]

I please to find this thread verify the truth of the Alex Collier story.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15860