Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! - Page 2

Unified Serenity · 08-14-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

UNIFIED SERENITY.......................................... ........

Excellent post. My daughter deals with insurance companies all the time. She has worked for 7 doctors for I forget how many years but she is very familiar with the mark ups. She works with patients and claims through Insurance Co.

The only real Insurance Co that is not included in al lthis is Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. That is why to have their service you will pay alot more up front.

There is a nice workaround now in many states to lower the out of pocket with BCBS plans. You can up your deductible to say 10,000.00 and lower your monthly insurance bill from say $600.00 to 250.00 and then take out a plan that will cover the $10,000.00 for say $100.00 a month, so you get the same medical coverage for $250.00 less per month. It's called a GAP plan, have her look it up if she is not aware of it.

adding a qualifier here... those are average numbers given, and not fixed prices. I don't want anyone suing me.

mntruthseeker · 08-14-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

There is a nice workaround now in many states to lower the out of pocket with BCBS plans. You can up your deductible to say 10,000.00 and lower your monthly insurance bill from say $600.00 to 250.00 and then take out a plan that will cover the $10,000.00 for say $100.00 a month, so you get the same medical coverage for $250.00 less per month. It's called a GAP plan, have her look it up if she is not aware of it.

adding a qualifier here... those are average numbers given, and not fixed prices. I don't want anyone suing me.

That is all we need when you stop and think about it. The insurance companies prices reflect the pharachutical prices. Its totally outrageous.

My daughter spends 600 a month for insurance and this is through the medical field. She now works for a Cardiologist office. I would love to chat with their patients on a daily basis. LOL Im sure I would be arrested.

Samarkis · 08-14-2009, 11:01 PM

LOL MNTruthseeker!!

I agree that many things are not what they seem...Did you even listen to the two clips I posted at the first post????

If one takes the 91 essential nutrients...there is grant (USA PEOPLE PAID) covered research on nutritional supplementation that would prevent 90% disease & degeneration....But big pharma doesn't let it in and FDA has to step up and "protect" the drug company investments even when it kills people(Celebrex,vioxx,etc) because it would be "TERRIBLE" if people didn't even get sick to begin with or reverse many diseases without invasive painful therapies....

I am telling all that if yr voices are not talking and if you are not standing up for what the final bill should have.... I feel sorry for many!!!!

Make some Noise!! Let's get what should be put...public option as well as alternative health care coverage...

mntruthseeker · 08-14-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarkis

LOL MNTruthseeker!!

I agree that many things are not what they seem...Did you even listen to the two clips I posted at the first post????

If one takes the 91 essential nutrients...there is grant (USA PEOPLE PAID) covered research on nutritional supplementation that would prevent 90% disease & degeneration....But big pharma doesn't let it in and FDA has to step up and "protect" the drug company investments even when it kills people(Celebrex,vioxx,etc) because it would be "TERRIBLE" if people didn't even get sick to begin with or reverse many diseases without invasive painful therapies....

I am telling all that if yr voices are not talking and if you are not standing up for what the final bill should have.... I feel sorry for many!!!!

Make some Noise!! Let's get what should be put...public option as well as alternative health care coverage...

Yes, I did listen to your videos. My "trust" of this has flown out the window with the famers bill that was passed last May. We will not be able to have our little gardens, because if we did we would be charged 500 a year. Who can afford that?

Why do you think all those farmers supposely commited suicide in India last year? Its no secret that the seeds they sell have no vaule of being able to re-seed.

How many noticed the wonderful fruits in our markets now a days? Seedless grapes, oranges, watermellon and now apples?

So I will say that it would be a great idea if we were able to really do this.

Nutrients........what a joke, they want to close them all down including the organic farmers.

we will not be able to continue to use nutrients,vitamins or minerals which the lack of is what is destroying the human race in the first place.........

This is all very fine with me because I know that we the people will stand united and win this battle. They will perish, not us, and if we do with this crazy vaccination......................we will move to a better place.

So this is just a waste of time.

I feel that this is to get us so involved with this "death care bill" we will fail to discuss the vaccination.

Did you know that fox news and cnn have reported that the pentacon under obama is planing on sending out troops and control us under marshal law for this flu? What a riot !

We do need to stand up but its not about worrying about what he is trying to do but what he is doing behind the scenes.

Samarkis · 08-15-2009, 12:44 AM

Knowledge is the Key...and to use it wisely but staunchly....

Ask questions & demand answers....

Humanity can & now will unite to do the right things!!

It will take time still, but before each change that happens....one has to admit and fully own the problem before a solution can be made....

I REALLY , REALLY think that we have gotten to that point.....

In Light!!

mntruthseeker · 08-15-2009, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samarkis

Knowledge is the Key...and to use it wisely but staunchly....

Ask questions & demand answers....

Humanity can & now will unite to do the right things!!

It will take time still, but before each change that happens....one has to admit and fully own the problem before a solution can be made....

I REALLY , REALLY think that we have gotten to that point.....

In Light!!

I agree

pyrangello · 08-15-2009, 01:16 PM

Samarkis, I think we in the United States all want change, the platform Pres. Obama ran on was change but I'm getting the feeling now that many are waking up saying this wasn't the type of change we wanted . I didn't vote for Pres. Obama , he had all the charm and glow but for the private sector of business and the working man he has never even run as much as a dairy queen(ice cream stand). From that stand point how much talent does it take any person to sit at a desk and say "Hmmm lets see how much more money we can extract from the hard working people of america today".

Moving to the medical reform , what was the real driving force to begin with on this issue, it was individuals who had severe or terminal illnesses and could not get coverage because of their pre-existing condition. By percentage to the number of the entire population of the U.S. that # is very small. those circumstances are unfair and should be considered criminal towards the insurance companies. In fairness to the insurance companies a graduated lawsiut cap should have been instituted based of severity of medical malpractice when it happens , not these crazy awards that one person could never spend the amount of money they are awarded in a lifetime. I remember flying to DC one time sitting next to an attorney who was employed by General Motors the car company. He said GM had 140 attorneys on staff and each had 1000 lawsuits at any given time. thats 14,000 lawsuits at one time. Pres. Bush tried medical tort reform , that went down in flames the first time he said something by the congress, why , because most of congress have law backgrounds.

Prs. Obama ran on the platform of "No more earmarks" , whats the first bill he signs, the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas with over 1000 earmarks, So much for that one. then the other day he said that many docs want to cut the feet off diabetics for the $30,000.00 fee. Our glow and charm president needs to work in the private sector for a while and stop throwing out disinformation for his own personal ego. I believe a foot amputation surgeons fees only are about $700.00 . that doesn't include the hospital fee. One of my very best friends is a general surgeon , he's done over 20,000 surgeries and has never been successfully sued. He's had his neck fused and has aged more than you or I , Why because of the stress that comes with the job and long hours with his head bent down operating . He used to go snowmobiling with me , can't do that anymore because of the fusion.

We sat down one day and we were talking about fees the government pays for an operation, He said for a gall bladder removal he use to get $1400.00 from medicare , last I spoke with him it was close to half of that. But with him being self employed running a clinic and operating his medical malpractice insurance was still going up . His current policy before he moved was costing him personally $50,000.00 US dollars a year, by the way thats 71.42 gall bladder operations a year just to pay for the insurance. See a problem here.
So what happened, this area I live in there are 70-80% retirees or low income. the private sector insurance pays much more money for treatment so my buddy the Doc left here and went to another state where the area he is in now is 80% private pay insurance and he is making more more with less exposure. HMMM, wonder how much harder he will work if he gets paid the same no matter what under the Obamination health care plan.

Now take me as a business owner, So if my payroll is over 400k a year , guess what under the healthcare plan you are drooling over you have now become one of thos people who are sitting at the desk saying "How much more can I take from Mr. Businessman if he doesn't provide health coverage.
Lets see, throw the dice, hey how about 8 % . thats a nice extra $32,000 tax a year. I have one question? Who is the bean counter that figured out these rates and how much I make a year. If this bill is passed and these fines,fees or taxes are imposed you will see a tumbling of small businesses in this country that cannot afford to pay this. And I will be laying people off as well downsizing as fast as I can. hink the unemployment rate is high now just wait if this baby gets signed. A big problem is most in congress don't have any idea what it is to really work anymore.

I agree start with the terminal or severe and cover them , I have a major medical poilicy I pay for personally with blue cross, it costs me $2400.00 a year for a $5000.00 deductable and coverage after that up to 1 million. the numbers I'm hearing of what this will cost per US citizen are ranging from $10,000 to $63,000 per person per year. to me it's already out of control and it hasn't even been signed yet.

I will sign on and make a pledge to you S , since MOVEON is 3 million strong, you put your strength in numbers and pressure all of congress that we get the exact same coverage as the members of the congress and the senate and get treated exactly the same and I'll sign on with ya. While your at it do the same thing with social security too, See congress and the senate are in a different plan there too. You get us the same and I'm on board with you, after all we are all americans aren't we???

Samarkis · 08-15-2009, 03:04 PM

Pls Check up this link:

http://alternativecancer.us/doctors_per.htm
(Reprinted below)

Also Jim Humble w/ the MMS drops is being persecuted now....

Kevin Trudeau had to run from the USA as he was being persecuted....

People using the Rife Frequency Machine are being jailed as the treatment works (By shattering the cancer tumor by frequency....like Ella Fitzgerald could reach a high frequency and the glass shattered...)and the list goes on & on.....

Alternative Doctors are Persecuted....

The following three stories demonstrate how aggressively conventional medicine persecutes doctors that prescribe alternative treatments.

A Story of Three Persecutions
In 1994 New York alternative healthcare advocates helped pass the Alternative Medical Practice Act designed to help guarantee that people would have access to alternative medical doctors by barring the State of New York from taking away the licenses of Alternative Medical Doctors just because they practiced alternative or non conventional medicine. Despite the passing of this legislation, the Medical Board bureaucrats who found a way to avoid the intent of the law. Alternative medical doctors were once again targeted and eliminated from medicine. Here are three examples:

■Dr. Jennifer Daniels
■Dr. Rebecca Carley
■Dr. Serafina Corsello
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Dr. Jennifer Daniels, MD of Syracuse was brought up on charges after successfully treating a patient with diabetes using only diet and exercise. In spite of a highly publicized study unveiled by the Secretary of Health & Human Services proving that diet and exercise was more effective than drug treatment. Eventually Dr. Daniels got her license back after it was suspended for two years, but the cost was devastating. The doctor was financially depleted and no medical employer was willing to hire her despite impeccable educational & medical credentials(Harvard BA, University of Pennsylvania MD).

Dr. Rebecca Carley, MD from Hicksville, Long Island successfully pioneered a treatment to reverse the injuries from vaccines such as autism and autism spectrum disorders, which have been growing. Dr. Carley has a public access cable TV show "What's Ailing America; Dr. Carley Responds" in which she was able to reach a larger audience warning of the potential dangers of vaccines and other political issues. Dr. Carley's license was suspended in July 2003. The suspension was solely on the basis of her "psychological impairment". This was an arbitrary attempt to control her speech, both medical and political. Dr. Carley's has been doing nutritional and lifestyle counseling, but is facing severe financial hardship.

Dr. Serafina Corsello, MD was one of the best known alternative practitioners. She was on the first advisory commission advising the Office of Alternative Medicine of the NIH in 1992. She published a book "The Ageless Woman", had two large medical centers one in midtown Manhattan and the other in Huntington, Long Island. She has and continues to lecture all over the country and in many parts of the world on nutrition and women's health. Charges were brought against her for too much testing, use of vitamin therapy, Chelation therapy and diagnosing lead toxicity. Unfortunately her lawyer filed the answer to the charges too late and the state deemed that she admitted to all the charges. Her medical license was revoked.

Table of Contents | Return to the Comparison Table* | Bottom

Write Not Practice
To avoid such prosecution, doctors who have realized that alternatives are better than pharmaceuticals, often write books or newsletters about alternative treatments. This allows these doctors do what they always wanted: help people conquer their health challenges and keep them safe. These doctors have realized that alternative treatments are easy enough for patients to self-administer as long as the patient is educated regarding possible side effects.

The Current Legislative Situation in California
Currently, it is a felony for a doctor to recommend any alternative cancer treatment. However, at the time of this writing, April 2004 there is a bill in front of the state legislature to legalize the only form of safe cancer treatment, alternative. It is essential that all aware Californians send a letter stating their support for the bill authored by Assembly Member Ray Haynes making it legal for physicians to practice using alternative treatments of cancer.

The letter should be addressed to Assembly Member Ray Haynes, State Capitol and e-mailed, faxed or sent regular mail to our office. We will make copies of the letter to go to members of the committees that will be hearing our bill. When appropriate we will send a copy to your senator and assembly member as the bill moves through different committees. This will give greater support and save staff time for Assemblyman Haynes.

California Citizens for Health Freedom
8048 Mamie Ave. - Oroville, California 95966
Fax (530) 534-5854

The letter can be a simple paragraph stating your support for AB 2393 sponsored by Assembly Member Haynes . If you are a professional, represent an organization, or have a business please use your letterhead.

************************************************** ********
When doctors & professionals are harrassed,suspended,etc because they are using better , safer, & healthier alternatives....It is a great time to stand up & be heard.... I personally know Dr. Jennifer Danials and am in awe of her! She had graduated from Harvard Medical School top of her class....Valedictorian for her graduating Meds year.... set up practice in Syracuse,Ny and practiced for ten years using herbal supplements instead of pharmacueticals....instead of just being happy to help others get well without invasive & toxic "cures".... She bought up piece by piece of run down city block & turned it into a community park & set up Children center,Senior center,Women & New mother center....Wow!! (I am so happy she is another me!!!) And then she was suspended from her license!!! For basically trumped up charges!! They didn't just hurt her....they hurt the community
centers that she had set up....All for greed to punish her for not using pharmacueticals!!!!!

Stand up & talk to yr senators & congressmen....Public option & alternative health treatments will open the door to better care....will get people to a place of wellness....BUT people must educate themselves!!!

Dr. Wallach has a free radio show on the internet that you can hear archived shows or listen live & call in to ask yr healthcare issues & get an alternative health care answer!!!

WWW.KSCO.COM "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" show M-Fri

There are some amazing folks out there...Ask for wisdom as you go looking for answers!!!!

In Health!!!!

pyrangello · 08-15-2009, 05:17 PM

How about this since the congress didn't read the 1000 page stimulas bill before they signed it and I doubt many of them have read this 1000 page health care bill either. Wouldn't it be a wonderful statement and relief to many if the following position was taken.

Hypethetical: today we the U.S. government are announcing the 3 month breather period in regards to our proposed health care proposal. During this time we are requiring all congressman and senators to read in full this 1000 page document. In addition we are forming a panel of surgeons and general practce doctors from all around the counrty to convene and propose a plan for care for all americans as well. At the end of the 3 month grace period of study a final panel of doctors and surgeons appointed by their peers will meet with a panel from the congress in order to achieve a proposed health bill minor or major that would be at least a base for all americans and maintain a cost effective approach at a minimum for the uninsured at this time.................................... What a concept this would be wouldn't it.

Tramik · 08-15-2009, 05:18 PM

In all honesty, I'm just happy to see people standing up for what they believe in, even if I don't agree with what they have to say. I know a lot of people out there are saying yelling and screaming/protesting does nothing but disturb the process, but I disagree. I think expression, regardless of form, is the process. The reality is, if you think these people are ****** now, imagine things a couple years from now. People are waking up fast, and really starting to get sick of all this BS.

So long as you don't commit violence, I say yell at the top of your lungs. Stand up for what you believe in. It's just good to know that some people are there aren't going to be bullied - by one side or another.

08-14-2009, 11:01 PM	#28
Samarkis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 548	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! LOL MNTruthseeker!! I agree that many things are not what they seem...Did you even listen to the two clips I posted at the first post???? If one takes the 91 essential nutrients...there is grant (USA PEOPLE PAID) covered research on nutritional supplementation that would prevent 90% disease & degeneration....But big pharma doesn't let it in and FDA has to step up and "protect" the drug company investments even when it kills people(Celebrex,vioxx,etc) because it would be "TERRIBLE" if people didn't even get sick to begin with or reverse many diseases without invasive painful therapies.... I am telling all that if yr voices are not talking and if you are not standing up for what the final bill should have.... I feel sorry for many!!!! Make some Noise!! Let's get what should be put...public option as well as alternative health care coverage...

08-15-2009, 12:44 AM	#30
Samarkis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 548	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! Knowledge is the Key...and to use it wisely but staunchly.... Ask questions & demand answers.... Humanity can & now will unite to do the right things!! It will take time still, but before each change that happens....one has to admit and fully own the problem before a solution can be made.... I REALLY , REALLY think that we have gotten to that point..... In Light!!

08-15-2009, 01:16 PM	#32
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! Samarkis, I think we in the United States all want change, the platform Pres. Obama ran on was change but I'm getting the feeling now that many are waking up saying this wasn't the type of change we wanted . I didn't vote for Pres. Obama , he had all the charm and glow but for the private sector of business and the working man he has never even run as much as a dairy queen(ice cream stand). From that stand point how much talent does it take any person to sit at a desk and say "Hmmm lets see how much more money we can extract from the hard working people of america today". Moving to the medical reform , what was the real driving force to begin with on this issue, it was individuals who had severe or terminal illnesses and could not get coverage because of their pre-existing condition. By percentage to the number of the entire population of the U.S. that # is very small. those circumstances are unfair and should be considered criminal towards the insurance companies. In fairness to the insurance companies a graduated lawsiut cap should have been instituted based of severity of medical malpractice when it happens , not these crazy awards that one person could never spend the amount of money they are awarded in a lifetime. I remember flying to DC one time sitting next to an attorney who was employed by General Motors the car company. He said GM had 140 attorneys on staff and each had 1000 lawsuits at any given time. thats 14,000 lawsuits at one time. Pres. Bush tried medical tort reform , that went down in flames the first time he said something by the congress, why , because most of congress have law backgrounds. Prs. Obama ran on the platform of "No more earmarks" , whats the first bill he signs, the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas with over 1000 earmarks, So much for that one. then the other day he said that many docs want to cut the feet off diabetics for the $30,000.00 fee. Our glow and charm president needs to work in the private sector for a while and stop throwing out disinformation for his own personal ego. I believe a foot amputation surgeons fees only are about $700.00 . that doesn't include the hospital fee. One of my very best friends is a general surgeon , he's done over 20,000 surgeries and has never been successfully sued. He's had his neck fused and has aged more than you or I , Why because of the stress that comes with the job and long hours with his head bent down operating . He used to go snowmobiling with me , can't do that anymore because of the fusion. We sat down one day and we were talking about fees the government pays for an operation, He said for a gall bladder removal he use to get $1400.00 from medicare , last I spoke with him it was close to half of that. But with him being self employed running a clinic and operating his medical malpractice insurance was still going up . His current policy before he moved was costing him personally $50,000.00 US dollars a year, by the way thats 71.42 gall bladder operations a year just to pay for the insurance. See a problem here. So what happened, this area I live in there are 70-80% retirees or low income. the private sector insurance pays much more money for treatment so my buddy the Doc left here and went to another state where the area he is in now is 80% private pay insurance and he is making more more with less exposure. HMMM, wonder how much harder he will work if he gets paid the same no matter what under the Obamination health care plan. Now take me as a business owner, So if my payroll is over 400k a year , guess what under the healthcare plan you are drooling over you have now become one of thos people who are sitting at the desk saying "How much more can I take from Mr. Businessman if he doesn't provide health coverage. Lets see, throw the dice, hey how about 8 % . thats a nice extra $32,000 tax a year. I have one question? Who is the bean counter that figured out these rates and how much I make a year. If this bill is passed and these fines,fees or taxes are imposed you will see a tumbling of small businesses in this country that cannot afford to pay this. And I will be laying people off as well downsizing as fast as I can. hink the unemployment rate is high now just wait if this baby gets signed. A big problem is most in congress don't have any idea what it is to really work anymore. I agree start with the terminal or severe and cover them , I have a major medical poilicy I pay for personally with blue cross, it costs me $2400.00 a year for a $5000.00 deductable and coverage after that up to 1 million. the numbers I'm hearing of what this will cost per US citizen are ranging from $10,000 to $63,000 per person per year. to me it's already out of control and it hasn't even been signed yet. I will sign on and make a pledge to you S , since MOVEON is 3 million strong, you put your strength in numbers and pressure all of congress that we get the exact same coverage as the members of the congress and the senate and get treated exactly the same and I'll sign on with ya. While your at it do the same thing with social security too, See congress and the senate are in a different plan there too. You get us the same and I'm on board with you, after all we are all americans aren't we???

08-15-2009, 03:04 PM	#33
Samarkis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 548	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! Pls Check up this link: http://alternativecancer.us/doctors_per.htm (Reprinted below) Also Jim Humble w/ the MMS drops is being persecuted now.... Kevin Trudeau had to run from the USA as he was being persecuted.... People using the Rife Frequency Machine are being jailed as the treatment works (By shattering the cancer tumor by frequency....like Ella Fitzgerald could reach a high frequency and the glass shattered...)and the list goes on & on..... Alternative Doctors are Persecuted.... The following three stories demonstrate how aggressively conventional medicine persecutes doctors that prescribe alternative treatments. A Story of Three Persecutions In 1994 New York alternative healthcare advocates helped pass the Alternative Medical Practice Act designed to help guarantee that people would have access to alternative medical doctors by barring the State of New York from taking away the licenses of Alternative Medical Doctors just because they practiced alternative or non conventional medicine. Despite the passing of this legislation, the Medical Board bureaucrats who found a way to avoid the intent of the law. Alternative medical doctors were once again targeted and eliminated from medicine. Here are three examples: ■Dr. Jennifer Daniels ■Dr. Rebecca Carley ■Dr. Serafina Corsello Table of Contents \| Return to the Comparison Table* \| Bottom Dr. Jennifer Daniels, MD of Syracuse was brought up on charges after successfully treating a patient with diabetes using only diet and exercise. In spite of a highly publicized study unveiled by the Secretary of Health & Human Services proving that diet and exercise was more effective than drug treatment. Eventually Dr. Daniels got her license back after it was suspended for two years, but the cost was devastating. The doctor was financially depleted and no medical employer was willing to hire her despite impeccable educational & medical credentials(Harvard BA, University of Pennsylvania MD). Dr. Rebecca Carley, MD from Hicksville, Long Island successfully pioneered a treatment to reverse the injuries from vaccines such as autism and autism spectrum disorders, which have been growing. Dr. Carley has a public access cable TV show "What's Ailing America; Dr. Carley Responds" in which she was able to reach a larger audience warning of the potential dangers of vaccines and other political issues. Dr. Carley's license was suspended in July 2003. The suspension was solely on the basis of her "psychological impairment". This was an arbitrary attempt to control her speech, both medical and political. Dr. Carley's has been doing nutritional and lifestyle counseling, but is facing severe financial hardship. Dr. Serafina Corsello, MD was one of the best known alternative practitioners. She was on the first advisory commission advising the Office of Alternative Medicine of the NIH in 1992. She published a book "The Ageless Woman", had two large medical centers one in midtown Manhattan and the other in Huntington, Long Island. She has and continues to lecture all over the country and in many parts of the world on nutrition and women's health. Charges were brought against her for too much testing, use of vitamin therapy, Chelation therapy and diagnosing lead toxicity. Unfortunately her lawyer filed the answer to the charges too late and the state deemed that she admitted to all the charges. Her medical license was revoked. Table of Contents \| Return to the Comparison Table* \| Bottom Write Not Practice To avoid such prosecution, doctors who have realized that alternatives are better than pharmaceuticals, often write books or newsletters about alternative treatments. This allows these doctors do what they always wanted: help people conquer their health challenges and keep them safe. These doctors have realized that alternative treatments are easy enough for patients to self-administer as long as the patient is educated regarding possible side effects. The Current Legislative Situation in California Currently, it is a felony for a doctor to recommend any alternative cancer treatment. However, at the time of this writing, April 2004 there is a bill in front of the state legislature to legalize the only form of safe cancer treatment, alternative. It is essential that all aware Californians send a letter stating their support for the bill authored by Assembly Member Ray Haynes making it legal for physicians to practice using alternative treatments of cancer. The letter should be addressed to Assembly Member Ray Haynes, State Capitol and e-mailed, faxed or sent regular mail to our office. We will make copies of the letter to go to members of the committees that will be hearing our bill. When appropriate we will send a copy to your senator and assembly member as the bill moves through different committees. This will give greater support and save staff time for Assemblyman Haynes. California Citizens for Health Freedom 8048 Mamie Ave. - Oroville, California 95966 Fax (530) 534-5854 The letter can be a simple paragraph stating your support for AB 2393 sponsored by Assembly Member Haynes . If you are a professional, represent an organization, or have a business please use your letterhead. ************************************************ ****** When doctors & professionals are harrassed,suspended,etc because they are using better , safer, & healthier alternatives....It is a great time to stand up & be heard.... I personally know Dr. Jennifer Danials and am in awe of her! She had graduated from Harvard Medical School top of her class....Valedictorian for her graduating Meds year.... set up practice in Syracuse,Ny and practiced for ten years using herbal supplements instead of pharmacueticals....instead of just being happy to help others get well without invasive & toxic "cures".... She bought up piece by piece of run down city block & turned it into a community park & set up Children center,Senior center,Women & New mother center....Wow!! (I am so happy she is another me!!!) And then she was suspended from her license!!! For basically trumped up charges!! They didn't just hurt her....they hurt the community centers that she had set up....All for greed to punish her for not using pharmacueticals!!!!! Stand up & talk to yr senators & congressmen....Public option & alternative health treatments will open the door to better care....will get people to a place of wellness....BUT people must educate themselves!!! Dr. Wallach has a free radio show on the internet that you can hear archived shows or listen live & call in to ask yr healthcare issues & get an alternative health care answer!!! WWW.KSCO.COM "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" show M-Fri There are some amazing folks out there...Ask for wisdom as you go looking for answers!!!! In Health!!!!

08-15-2009, 05:17 PM	#34
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! How about this since the congress didn't read the 1000 page stimulas bill before they signed it and I doubt many of them have read this 1000 page health care bill either. Wouldn't it be a wonderful statement and relief to many if the following position was taken. Hypethetical: today we the U.S. government are announcing the 3 month breather period in regards to our proposed health care proposal. During this time we are requiring all congressman and senators to read in full this 1000 page document. In addition we are forming a panel of surgeons and general practce doctors from all around the counrty to convene and propose a plan for care for all americans as well. At the end of the 3 month grace period of study a final panel of doctors and surgeons appointed by their peers will meet with a panel from the congress in order to achieve a proposed health bill minor or major that would be at least a base for all americans and maintain a cost effective approach at a minimum for the uninsured at this time.................................... What a concept this would be wouldn't it.

08-15-2009, 05:18 PM	#35
Tramik Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 70	Re: Observations On Obama's Health Care Reform!! In all honesty, I'm just happy to see people standing up for what they believe in, even if I don't agree with what they have to say. I know a lot of people out there are saying yelling and screaming/protesting does nothing but disturb the process, but I disagree. I think expression, regardless of form, is the process. The reality is, if you think these people are ****** now, imagine things a couple years from now. People are waking up fast, and really starting to get sick of all this BS. So long as you don't commit violence, I say yell at the top of your lungs. Stand up for what you believe in. It's just good to know that some people are there aren't going to be bullied - by one side or another.