Money of the Future - and how we can implement it - interesting proposal

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Neo

Yes indeed my friend, behaviour is part of the answer.

agreed. Any ideas on how to get there from here?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

Sorry guys but any kind of money or barter or any system will almost always leave someone out in the cold or in debt.

True, but I don't see that the sole cause of this is money. Create a system where people have security and abundance, than money will lose its appeal naturally. In a historical account of Lumeria, people used to bring flowers to the market place, and leave it there for anyone to take.

There's no doubt that when the system collapses, the priorities will change. The need to wipe your rear end is still there, but you'll have to use leaves instead; some would consider this a drop if not in the quality of life, certainly in convenience.

The negative interest would help to get us off of the money obsession so people don't hoard "wealth", but the key practical problem is satisfying people with their need for security with their physical existence in a society as a whole. Then the sharing of "wealth" will happen naturally with a spiritual based society, and money would slowly disappear. This present society is managed to focus on scarcity, and the idea that you can never have too much, so even rich people work like crazy to make more money for its own sake.

As I've already stated, the sole blame is not money alone. The best way for people to get off the money obsession is to have none. The mistake will be to replace the money system with another system even if it is alot better than our current one.
If any system fails one person then it fails everyone, can you create a system that suits everyone? I know that everyone thinks they can and thats one reason why we have governments.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Neo

As I've already stated, the sole blame is not money alone. The best way for people to get off the money obsession is to have none. The mistake will be to replace the money system with another system even if it is alot better than our current one.
If any system fails one person then it fails everyone, can you create a system that suits everyone? I know that everyone thinks they can and thats one reason why we have governments.

I always assumed the new exchange systems would be locally run and locally-based. Self-Organizing Collectives. Kind of like little eco-systems. Like thousands of Farmers Markets where communities traded locally made goods. But then you also have the issue of lets say people who want solar panels, or even some of the free energy devices that are beginning to finally become public.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

agreed. Any ideas on how to get there from here?

I can only advise on my own experience and that is.... BE what it is that you want from others. Like I said above, I can easily give to others with no expectation of anything in return and funny enough I find many people are the same to me.
Surely other people here have found the same to be true?
Really often I am amazed at the generosity and lengths some people go to with their help and what they give freely, which in turn inspires me to give more.

It all begins with us.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Neo

I can only advise on my own experience and that is.... BE what it is that you want from others. Like I said above, I can easily give to others with no expectation of anything in return and funny enough I find many people are the same to me.
Surely other people here have found the same to be true?
Really often I am amazed at the generosity and lengths some people go to with their help and what they give freely, which in turn inspires me to give more.

It all begins with us.

I feel like we are in complete agreement on practically every point, and yet it appears we are having a debate. Like a dog chasing his own tail. I completely live my life with that philosophy as well. Very few possessions, try to give more than I take etc.

I think maybe this thread is an excercise in futility at least for me, because with all the righteousness and idealism flying around,I feel like the question still hasnt been answered....

- Is there a way to help the people who will be awakening to a very different reality in terms of money?

Maybe we don't care, I give up.

[NorthernSanctuary]

As I've already stated, the sole blame is not money alone. The best way for people to get off the money obsession is to have none. The mistake will be to replace the money system with another system even if it is alot better than our current one.
If any system fails one person then it fails everyone, can you create a system that suits everyone? I know that everyone thinks they can and thats one reason why we have governments.
...


It's like trying to tell a person on drugs to quit cold turkey. Unless you have the power to forcibly do it, it's not going to happen. There are easier ways. Besides that, like the matrix, the people are against you, and think you are on "drugs".

It all begins with us.
Yes, this won't happen overnight, that's why the transition itself is a big deal. Even the matrix was done over a few episodes. Your personal experience cannot be extended beyond your friendship boundaries.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

I feel like we are in complete agreement on practically every point, and yet it appears we are having a debate. Like a dog chasing his own tail. I completely live my life with that philosophy as well. Very few possessions, try to give more than I take etc.

I think maybe this thread is an excercise in futility at least for me, because with all the righteousness and idealism flying around,I feel like the question still hasnt been answered....

- Is there a way to help the people who will be awakening to a very different reality in terms of money?

Maybe we don't care, I give up.

Of course we care thats why we are here talking about it
I feel the only way we can help as individuals is on an individual basis which in turn acts like a virus and hopefully spreads around the planet.
Just help show the people that are in your life or come into your life that there is another way to be. People will only wake up when they want to and when they want to they will be looking for beacons of light. You are one of the those beacons so just keep burning bright.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

As I've already stated, the sole blame is not money alone. The best way for people to get off the money obsession is to have none. The mistake will be to replace the money system with another system even if it is alot better than our current one.
If any system fails one person then it fails everyone, can you create a system that suits everyone? I know that everyone thinks they can and thats one reason why we have governments.
...


It's like trying to tell a person on drugs to quit cold turkey. Unless you have the power to forcibly do it, it's not going to happen. There are easier ways. Besides that, like the matrix, the people are against you, and think you are on "drugs".

It all begins with us.
Yes, this won't happen overnight, that's why the transition itself is a big deal. Even the matrix was done over a few episodes. Your personal experience cannot be extended beyond your friendship boundaries.

I dont have the power to do it forcibly but a few dramatic earth changes may just help me there.

My personal experience is always extended beyond my friendship boundaries.

[Seashore]

Let's move the discussion to the other thread...

[lemon_sky88]

Barter, Trade, Live stock, Farming, Spritual growth is the future not technological growth or economic advancement

[lemon_sky88]

Opps I forgot one. No power grid as well. Anything not free energy will be obsolete very soon. Paradime, will you please shift? Thank you

[NorthernSanctuary]

It's suppose to be a convergence of spiritually and science on the good side, the discovery of the ether as a fifth element.

Here's the description from Wiki:
Astrological meaning of the Age of Aquarius

Ages are believed by some astrologers to affect mankind whereas other astrologers believe the ages correlate to the rise and fall of mighty civilizations and cultural tendencies. Aquarius traditionally "rules" electricity, computers, flight, democracy, freedom, humanitarianism, idealists, modernization, rebels and rebellion, mental diseases, nervous disorders, and astrology.[4] Other keywords and ideas believed associated with Aquarius are nonconformity, philanthropy, veracity, perseverance, mankind and irresolution.[5] The appearance or elevation in status of many of these Aquarian developments over the last few centuries is considered by many astrologers to indicate the proximity of the Aquarian age. There is no uniform agreement about the relationship of these recent Aquarian developments and the Age of Aquarius. Some astrologers believe that the influence of a new age is experienced before it arrives because of a cuspal effect or Orb of Influence. Other astrologers believe the appearance of Aquarian developments indicate the actual arrival of the Age of Aquarius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

He has a video series here on money from a talk given last March/2009:

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/video.php

I've finished Part 1 so far. This guy is a visionary!

[Connecting with Sauce]

My toilet roll system would have three values of trade

1. Value rolls - scratchy though and not too comfortable
2. Normal rolls - softer but maybe only 2 ply still
3. Luxury rolls - really soft and 3 ply... obviously if it was quilted it would add value too

Sheets could be used for lower value item so sheets would be like coins and rolls like notes... problems solved!

They could also be used to wipe the fan clean!!!

[NorthernSanctuary]

What will really be indispensable after the paper is gone is toilet cloth, and you're ahead if you have the water spray (bidet) available. It's been know that one of the top concerns some people have in these disaster scenarios is what to wipe their rear end with.