Money of the Future - and how we can implement it - interesting proposal

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

...just read this intriguing article by Charles Eisenstein (Reality Sandwich; Daniel Pinchbeck) ...


http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/newmoney.php

The link is "Not Found"...

[14 Chakras]

Sound money = Critical for abundant economy.

Money must have value and be backed by something. Fiat money destroys abundance and productivity.

Good idea starting this thread. The immediate term solution is micro currencies backed by gold.

[mu2143]

The reason for money is only controlling People and making them to belief that nothing is there in abundants. Make people belief that the many have to pay for land and a house to the view. Given away you freedom by freewill

Thats how you make people belief that there free instead there just slaves to the system.

Thats is why our technology does not progress further then limited amount of energy.

Don't people notes that everything around them brakes down. Even Software Operating systems like the Windows series fall apart. This only happens if you made the program to fall apart. Just like our body is designed to die!!,because there is no reason for it but to control you.

People belief this is normal and creating this realality thats how everthing works.

O its a bug when instead is is just a load of BS.

To get to the basics Money is just joke is

Remember the falling angels (Drags) are the ones who manipulating the hole milkyway galaxy for billions of years putting us in to war for nothing but destruction.

[Connecting with Sauce]

As we know the doodoo is about to hit the fan, so I propose a new world currency based on toilet paper... I plan to fill my loft with the stuff and have3 bases covered.

1. future barter tool
2. a clean bottom
3. heat retention with loft insulation

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

As we know the doodoo is about to hit the fan, so I propose a new world currency based on toilet paper... I plan to fill my loft with the stuff and have3 bases covered.

1. future barter tool
2. a clean bottom
3. heat retention with loft insulation

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

lol

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by doodah

Bummer. My vision of the future does not have money in it at all, and as I read about higher dimensional beings, they don't use money either. There's no point to money. It's supposed to be a medium of exchange, but you know the golden rule: who controls the gold makes the rules. As long as there is lust for power, money is a bad idea.

Same here.

Money is power, control and ego all wrapped up in one.

Get rid of it and you can start over.

[Neo]

I personally will do everything in my power to make sure to make sure I am part of NO system when this one falls. Money doesnt work, barter is just money in another guise. How about just a desire to help other people?
I figure that most people on this forum are here because of, or at least partly this reason.

Do you barter with your friends or family? I dont, I just help them in any way I can.
Now just extend your friends or family network to everyone.
Problem solved.

Isnt this the unity we all truly desire?

Creating another system just creates seperation all over again.

[Phtha]

This is really great to see so many people here against the whole idea of money.
I also would never join any system or "radiant zone" that has anything to do with money!

1 Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Neo

...Do you barter with your friends or family? I dont, I just help them in any way I can...

I've never thought about it this way...

I would love it if this could actually work.

Is it realistic?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by seashore

I've never thought about it this way...

I would love it if this could actually work.

Is it realistic?

I believe it is, infact I believe it is our original nature to be this way. If you see someone in need what is your first reaction? The doubts of 'should I help' or 'why should I' or 'what will they do for me' are usually afterthoughts and a by product of this current system.

An old irish saying .... ' A stranger is just a friend you havent met yet '

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Neo

I believe it is, infact I believe it is our original nature to be this way. If you see someone in need what is your first reaction? The doubts of 'should I help' or 'why should I' or 'what will they do for me' are usually afterthoughts and a by product of this current system.

An old irish saying .... ' A stranger is just a friend you havent met yet '

Your avatar doesn't match your attitude!!

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Same here.

Money is power, control and ego all wrapped up in one.

Get rid of it and you can start over.

Money is a system of establishing value no more no less. Money is a mutual agreement between two parties. No ego, no control. The problem is and has always been human greed and human lust for power. Lincoln's greenback system worked wonderfully until the bankers put an end to it. Thats like saying chainsaws are evil.

But I completely agree, I would love to see a world with no money. Apologies for resurrecting this confusing thread, it seems many dont understand my original point, which was to find a transitional way to help people who would'nt be able to barter with anything if the SHTF. Thats all. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just trying to facilitate a discussion.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by seashore

Your avatar doesn't match your attitude!!

lol.... The avatar merely represents the willfull breaking of our current corrupt system. Humanity must be free before we can start fresh Ever seen the movie 'The Matrix'?

[NorthernSanctuary]

It's good to hear the idealistic comments, but as long as you need things from the existing system, you will have to work with a currency/ barter that they accept. Unless you can manufacture toilet paper, than at some point you have to use money to buy it. Same with any issue related to shelter, food, transportation, etc.. Unless your system can create it from scratch, you'll need to have some money / barter power the is accepted by the other system, so you need some transitional money/barter system until you can create everything that you need in your own system/ society... This will take some time.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Neo

lol.... The avatar merely represents the willfull breaking of our current corrupt system. Humanity must be free before we can start fresh Ever seen the movie 'The Matrix'?

I've heard a lot about it, but no I haven't seen it...

[NorthernSanctuary]

The link is "Not Found"..


He has a video series here on money from a talk given last March/2009:

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/video.php

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

...find a transitional way to help people who would'nt be able to barter with anything if the SHTF...

This is what I would like to see: a discussion of what we can do now to put into place a structure or at least a plan that we can go to if and when society does collapse and people are in a panic...

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

The link is "Not Found"..


He has a video series here on money from a talk given last March/2009:

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/video.php

Thanks!!

I read his article and commented on it on this thread...

[shred]

How can we move from a monatary / barter system with precious metals, diamonds, & other things that are still concidered "of value" to most people ?




shred

[Neo]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

It's good to hear the idealistic comments, but as long as you need things from the existing system, you will have to work with a currency/ barter that they accept. Unless you can manufacture toilet paper, than at some point you have to use money to buy it. Same with any issue related to shelter, food, transportation, etc.. Unless your system can create it from scratch, you'll need to have some money / barter power the is accepted by the other system, so you need some transitional money/barter system until you can create everything that you need in your own system/ society... This will take some time.

When this current system falls you will soon rediscover what it is that you actually "need". I've never seen toilet paper being delivered to native tribes and indeed I wonder how long toilet paper manufacturing plants will stay open if we sink into a barter system? Not real long I'm guessing.

There seems to be an assumption that in the future we will still be mass producing everything and you can just rock on down to a shop and barter with your friendly shop owner for what ever you think you need.

Sorry guys but any kind of money or barter or any system will almost always leave someone out in the cold or in debt.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

The link is "Not Found"..
He has a video series here on money from a talk given last March/2009:

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/video.php

thanks NS

2 more articles from Reality Sandwich by him, and seashore's comments on them...

http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning
http://www.realitysandwich.com/money...ginning_part_2

Originally Posted by seashore

My understanding is that he's proposing a system called "demurrage." Money depreciates in value by design. To remain valid, each piece of currency requires a monthly stamp costing 1% of its value. The currency is called "stamp scrip." Accumulation of wealth becomes a burden. Society changes.

This is a paradigm shift.

He said that the system was used in the town of Worgl, Austria in 1932 and it was working beautifully until it was outlawed in 1933 at the behest of a central bank.



He said something similar was used in the U.S. after the bank failures of the early 30s until F.D.R. banned all emergency currencies.

Interesting stuff...

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Neo

When this current system falls you will soon rediscover what it is that you actually "need". I've never seen toilet paper being delivered to native tribes and indeed I wonder how long toilet paper manufacturing plants will stay open if we sink into a barter system? Not real long I'm guessing.

There seems to be an assumption that in the future we will still be mass producing everything and you can just rock on down to a shop and barter with your friendly shop owner for what ever you think you need.

Sorry guys but any kind of money or barter or any system will almost always leave someone out in the cold or in debt.

how can you blame that on a piece of paper? maybe I dont get it but that just sounds silly to me. When you really examine it, isn't it really about human behavior? Isn't it about the concept of winning/losing.....the embedded philosophy of COMPETITION...that someone has to lose in order for you to win. If we change that paradigm, it won't matter what we use...money, toilet paper, marbles, or nothing at all.

[NorthernSanctuary]

Sorry guys but any kind of money or barter or any system will almost always leave someone out in the cold or in debt.

True, but I don't see that the sole cause of this is money. Create a system where people have security and abundance, than money will lose its appeal naturally. In a historical account of Lumeria, people used to bring flowers to the market place, and leave it there for anyone to take.

There's no doubt that when the system collapses, the priorities will change. The need to wipe your rear end is still there, but you'll have to use leaves instead; some would consider this a drop if not in the quality of life, certainly in convenience.

The negative interest would help to get us off of the money obsession so people don't hoard "wealth", but the key practical problem is satisfying people with their need for security with their physical existence in a society as a whole. Then the sharing of "wealth" will happen naturally with a spiritual based society, and money would slowly disappear. This present society is managed to focus on scarcity, and the idea that you can never have too much, so even rich people work like crazy to make more money for its own sake.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

how can you blame that on a piece of paper? maybe I dont get it but that just sounds silly to me. When you really examine it, isn't it really about human behavior? Isn't it about the concept of winning/losing.....the embedded philosophy of COMPETITION...that someone has to lose in order for you to win. If we change that paradigm, it won't matter what we use...money, toilet paper, marbles, or nothing at all.

Not blaming the piece of paper, blaming the short sightedness of the people who feel the need to create a system that everyone must adhere to.
Indeed it is about behaviour and that is exactly my point.

Money or any other thing you want to trade only reinforces the concept of 'this is mine' 'that is yours'.

I have a whole room of stuff that has been given to me over the years, given to me for nothing in return, given to me only because I needed it at the time and I asked for it.
Over the years I have given lots of people help with alot of things at no cost or trade to them, purely because they needed it and I could give it.
Yes indeed my friend, behaviour is part of the answer.