Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion

waitinginthewings · 06-12-2009, 08:51 PM

Very interesting vids here.

Vid will start when you open the link, then scroll down below the banners to watch.

http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/Tsarion.html

mntruthseeker · 06-12-2009, 09:52 PM

WOW just went to check this out and it said the account has been suspended.

Now why do you suppose that is?

Now, I am really curious as to what he has to say. I for one, am a big Michael Tsarsion fan. I hate being duped too

It's not nice to mess with little old ladies minds.................

Machinamentum · 06-12-2009, 10:21 PM

I don't like it.

mntruthseeker · 06-12-2009, 10:38 PM

Never mind, I was able to find him and he wnet under a different heading to get his videos in you tube.

Myplanet2 · 06-12-2009, 11:45 PM

When you do a piece like this, which sets out to prove somebody else wrong, it more than likely means you have an agenda of your own, which is threatened by the other persons work.

I wouldn't call myself a Michael Tsarion fan, but I've listened to some of his audio interviews and read some of his theories. I never got a sense that he was lying about anything, and I don't much care about the minutiae of his facts. You can always find something to quibble about if you spot an agenda which doesn't match your own.

If I had any criticism of Michael, it would be that he perhaps drills a little too deeply into the minutiae. My own monkey mind is now locked up in a cage, with a tarp thrown over it, most of the time. I'm so bored with all the thinking, and figuring, and "what's it mean?", and "what significance does it hold?". That's all really old by now. The heart is where it's at for the next while. All I need to know, my heart will tell me, and my heart tells me Michael Tsarion is OK.

Chris White says on his site that he forwards a Christian perspective on his radio show. There's nothing wrong with that if that's where you believe your truth lies, but when you start taking pot shots at those with differing views, your credibility suffers.

I personally take a pass on Chris White.

Lorien · 06-12-2009, 11:54 PM

Yeah, this guys has been making Tsarion Debunking videos for q while now. I have seen them posted on sites many times. I definitely agree that he seems to have some agenda, or at the least a beef with Tsarion for some reason.

mntruthseeker · 06-13-2009, 12:54 AM

I just listened to the videos and I had either read about this or seen something similiar last year

I was not surprise of anything he said.

What I can't figure out is why he thinks he is debunking Michael Tsarsion

Michael talks more on the line that alot of this going back years ago and I didn't find anything pointing to something that Michael ever said different on

I happen to like Michael and one thing that has to be remembered is that one person doesn't know everything

I think the main thing that Chris White is pointing out is alot of eye opening things regarding the bush's.

I believe that aliens have been around a long long time and that they have always been amoung us.

Michael base alot of his work on societies also but unless I am missing something, I dont see where anyone is being debunked.

The information in these videos have been out for a very long time and it is Chris that claims to be debunking Michael not the person that posted these videos

Thank you very much for sharing this.................it was actually refreshing to information I had already known and very nice to see it again

Was also nice to see David Icke speak in the video, it very much went together with this and I must of watched a different set of videos as I didn't see anything mention regarding Christians. I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion and it doesnt effect my thoughts and I have had the Catholic religion shoved down m throat all these years that to hear someone mention religion has no effect on me. I know my God and thats all that matters

Luminari · 06-13-2009, 02:13 AM

Michael Tsarion is a great guy, not just a fascinating researcher but a nice person too.

The world needs more Michael Tsarion's delving deep into our rich history and origins and bringing some of the firelight back for the rest of us in our modern era of ignorant/arrogant superficiallity.

....and less w..kers like chris white debunking anything they dont understand/agree with left right and center.

mntruthseeker · 06-13-2009, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Luminari

Michael Tsarion is a great guy, not just a fascinating researcher but a nice person too.

The world needs more Michael Tsarion's delving deep into our rich history and origins and bringing some of the firelight back for the rest of us in our modern era of ignorant/arrogant superficiallity.

....and less w..kers like chris white debunking anything they dont understand/agree with left right and center.

I was very interested in your out-take on Chris Whites video's.

I found them fascinating and had seen some of the same things earlier. In fact I bought the book he listed by someone that mentioned it on this site.

In my mind, I have both men on different spectrums of the issues.

Am I missing something that indicates that he really is bashing Michael Tsarsion, as I am a fan of his and didn't pick that up.................Maybe I didn't watch enought of the videos..........the one I seen was regarding the Illuminati and Nasa................which I go along with all of this.

Michael goes way back where I honestly believe if Chris dug into would agree with Michael.............Only a fool would believe that the Aliens only just showed up during the Roswell crash reports.

So, I'm just interested in what is wrong with either of these men? Can you not take both views as being correct? One just going back further in time?

Unified Serenity · 06-13-2009, 02:27 AM

I'm not a Tsarsion fan or foe. Chris White's words would have to be looked up when he says Tsarsion is using words not even in the bible. Chris does a credible job of taking on Tsarsion's attempt to link the word ANKH, an egyptian word, to Annunaki, a Summarian word, and shows that is a little bit of a jump to do so.

Chris' taking on of the Galactic plane and orbit of our solar system around our galaxy is interesting. Are we just 3 million years out from crossing the GP and so have 30 million years to go before we cross it again? Are we hundreds of millions of years away from an alignment? My head hurts from all this thinking. I'm getting tired of trying to figure out who is full of **** and who isn't. I don't like bible thumpers, but I also don't like bible morons who take a verse way out of context like Tsarsion did with the whole "cloud" issue in Numbers. The contextual facts if one keeps the whole chapter together is that the people of Israel were led around the desert by this cloud and when it moved, the people followed it, and when it rested over the temple the people stayed in tents. It's a bit of a leap for me to go to people taking ufo space flights.

So, if anyone can help clear up the number of years for gp crossing or galaxy traveling, please share it.

mntruthseeker · 06-13-2009, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

I'm not a Tsarsion fan or foe. Chris White's words would have to be looked up when he says Tsarsion is using words not even in the bible. Chris does a credible job of taking on Tsarsion's attempt to link the word ANKH, an egyptian word, to Annunaki, a Summarian word, and shows that is a little bit of a jump to do so.

Chris' taking on of the Galactic plane and orbit of our solar system around our galaxy is interesting. Are we just 3 million years out from crossing the GP and so have 30 million years to go before we cross it again? Are we hundreds of millions of years away from an alignment? My head hurts from all this thinking. I'm getting tired of trying to figure out who is full of **** and who isn't. I don't like bible thumpers, but I also don't like bible morons who take a verse way out of context like Tsarsion did with the whole "cloud" issue in Numbers. The contextual facts if one keeps the whole chapter together is that the people of Israel were led around the desert by this cloud and when it moved, the people followed it, and when it rested over the temple the people stayed in tents. It's a bit of a leap for me to go to people taking ufo space flights.

So, if anyone can help clear up the number of years for gp crossing or galaxy traveling, please share it.

BRAVO BRAVO You said it very well. Thank you. that must be what I missed. To be honest, I just about overlook all and anything mentioned regarding the bible. I just do not fully trust what is written as I know its been changed so many times. I tend to ignore much of it now as my mind is made up on that. I feel that both men had their own points to make and one thing I do dispise is anyone putting another down just because their views differ...................Its good to get different views

I fine it all fascinating

Luminari · 06-13-2009, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I was very interested in your out-take on Chris Whites video's.

I found them fascinating and had seen some of the same things earlier. In fact I bought the book he listed by someone that mentioned it on this site.

In my mind, I have both men on different spectrums of the issues.

Am I missing something that indicates that he really is bashing Michael Tsarsion, as I am a fan of his and didn't pick that up.................Maybe I didn't watch enought of the videos..........the one I seen was regarding the Illuminati and Nasa................which I go along with all of this.

Michael goes way back where I honestly believe if Chris dug into would agree with Michael.............Only a fool would believe that the Aliens only just showed up during the Roswell crash reports.

So, I'm just interested in what is wrong with either of these men? Can you not take both views as being correct? One just going back further in time?

Im very sorry, thats my mistake. I shouldn't have commented before watching the videos. I have an intense dislike for people who attack (hypocritical as thats what I have just done- sorry guys) and debunk other researchers rather than just stay in their own truth and put out their own material.
I guess for me it stems from all the Billy Meier debunkers (sorry off-topic).

I apologise to all of you and will watch the 'Chris White debunks MT' videos if you think they have some important concepts and validity to them.
Yes I certainly don't take everything Michael says as 'gospel' truth thats for sure but I enjoy his depth of information, different perspective and personality conveyance style.
MT says Barbara Hand Clow is his key mentor/teacher which is another person who has a powerful depth of knowledge/wisdom who I respect.

14 Chakras · 06-13-2009, 09:56 PM

No one person right now has the full truth, but many have different pieces of the puzzle. You can pretty easily 'debunk' any one researcher by focusing on what they might be wrong about, but then you're ignoring everything they might be right about too...

My guess is, Chris is upset with Tsarion's stuff because Tsarion believes Jesus wasn't real and there is no truth in Jesus message, whereas Chris is a Christian so this offends his beliefs.

Personally, I see that Tsarion has a lot of interesting stuff and is well worth checking out, but he certainly hasn't swayed me in my own spiritual beliefs on the validity of the message: 'do unto others as they would have them do unto you' that Jesus taught, nor the inner teachings of Christ that Jesus taught.

Perhaps there is a middle ground, where yes, Jesus story is very similar to Horus and many other ancient gods, but that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen in the physical. Maybe Jesus played out a universal teaching in the physical 2000 years ago so we could all collectively learn the lessons from it, and then his story was manipulated and stolen by the same religious elite that put him to death to make his story inaccessible to us.

Perhaps Jesus true mission was to show us we are ALL capable of doing the 'miracles' that Jesus did when we get past all the religious hoopla and connect to the source, the father consciousness (or more accurately, father / mother consciousness), within and overcome our own illusions of separation.

So perhaps Tsarion is correct in a lot of his research that Jesus story matches many ancient stories, and that he wasn't 'the only son of god' who was a blood sacrifice to "God" for our sins, but perhaps he is incorrect in when he says Jesus is not real and we should just ignore all of the inner teachings.

I agree that infighting between searchers of truth, like it appears Chris is doing here, is not a productive approach. Chris may have a part of the puzzle and Tsarion as well, but it may not be the highest good to attack another researcher based on our partial truth. Might be best if researchers focus on their own truth rather than attacking / debunking someone else's...

Jacqui D · 06-13-2009, 10:24 PM

I like Michael, i have not watched this video, but what i will say is that Michael's years of study and investigations have given him a lot of really interesting theories.
The Elders of old that's true i think and how the lands were connected and how the true knowledge was lost to all.
I'm going back now to his early stuff.

It's funny how religious people always find it hard to believe that they might just be wrong, it's the religious programming, indocrination from a young age.
Everyone has their own take on these things and if you lean the way of perhaps the religious people have got it wrong suddenly you are slammed down, yet today less people are frequenting church so something must be putting uncertainty in to their minds.

And when i hear people referring to the Creator as a him well that's wrong.
The creator is of no gender, it is a powerful source of all knowing, love and compassion, each and every soul is connected to the creator that is why there is no form as such.

06-12-2009, 08:51 PM	#1
waitinginthewings Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 1,340	Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion Very interesting vids here. Vid will start when you open the link, then scroll down below the banners to watch. http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/Tsarion.html

06-12-2009, 09:52 PM	#2
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion WOW just went to check this out and it said the account has been suspended. Now why do you suppose that is? Now, I am really curious as to what he has to say. I for one, am a big Michael Tsarsion fan. I hate being duped too It's not nice to mess with little old ladies minds.................

06-12-2009, 10:21 PM	#3
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion I don't like it.

06-12-2009, 10:38 PM	#4
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion Never mind, I was able to find him and he wnet under a different heading to get his videos in you tube.

06-12-2009, 11:45 PM	#5
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion When you do a piece like this, which sets out to prove somebody else wrong, it more than likely means you have an agenda of your own, which is threatened by the other persons work. I wouldn't call myself a Michael Tsarion fan, but I've listened to some of his audio interviews and read some of his theories. I never got a sense that he was lying about anything, and I don't much care about the minutiae of his facts. You can always find something to quibble about if you spot an agenda which doesn't match your own. If I had any criticism of Michael, it would be that he perhaps drills a little too deeply into the minutiae. My own monkey mind is now locked up in a cage, with a tarp thrown over it, most of the time. I'm so bored with all the thinking, and figuring, and "what's it mean?", and "what significance does it hold?". That's all really old by now. The heart is where it's at for the next while. All I need to know, my heart will tell me, and my heart tells me Michael Tsarion is OK. Chris White says on his site that he forwards a Christian perspective on his radio show. There's nothing wrong with that if that's where you believe your truth lies, but when you start taking pot shots at those with differing views, your credibility suffers. I personally take a pass on Chris White.

06-12-2009, 11:54 PM	#6
Lorien Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Beyond the rim.... Posts: 412	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion Yeah, this guys has been making Tsarion Debunking videos for q while now. I have seen them posted on sites many times. I definitely agree that he seems to have some agenda, or at the least a beef with Tsarion for some reason.

06-13-2009, 12:54 AM	#7
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion I just listened to the videos and I had either read about this or seen something similiar last year I was not surprise of anything he said. What I can't figure out is why he thinks he is debunking Michael Tsarsion Michael talks more on the line that alot of this going back years ago and I didn't find anything pointing to something that Michael ever said different on I happen to like Michael and one thing that has to be remembered is that one person doesn't know everything I think the main thing that Chris White is pointing out is alot of eye opening things regarding the bush's. I believe that aliens have been around a long long time and that they have always been amoung us. Michael base alot of his work on societies also but unless I am missing something, I dont see where anyone is being debunked. The information in these videos have been out for a very long time and it is Chris that claims to be debunking Michael not the person that posted these videos Thank you very much for sharing this.................it was actually refreshing to information I had already known and very nice to see it again Was also nice to see David Icke speak in the video, it very much went together with this and I must of watched a different set of videos as I didn't see anything mention regarding Christians. I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion and it doesnt effect my thoughts and I have had the Catholic religion shoved down m throat all these years that to hear someone mention religion has no effect on me. I know my God and thats all that matters Last edited by mntruthseeker; 06-13-2009 at 12:59 AM.

06-13-2009, 02:13 AM	#8
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion Michael Tsarion is a great guy, not just a fascinating researcher but a nice person too. The world needs more Michael Tsarion's delving deep into our rich history and origins and bringing some of the firelight back for the rest of us in our modern era of ignorant/arrogant superficiallity. ....and less w..kers like chris white debunking anything they dont understand/agree with left right and center.

06-13-2009, 02:27 AM	#10
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion I'm not a Tsarsion fan or foe. Chris White's words would have to be looked up when he says Tsarsion is using words not even in the bible. Chris does a credible job of taking on Tsarsion's attempt to link the word ANKH, an egyptian word, to Annunaki, a Summarian word, and shows that is a little bit of a jump to do so. Chris' taking on of the Galactic plane and orbit of our solar system around our galaxy is interesting. Are we just 3 million years out from crossing the GP and so have 30 million years to go before we cross it again? Are we hundreds of millions of years away from an alignment? My head hurts from all this thinking. I'm getting tired of trying to figure out who is full of **** and who isn't. I don't like bible thumpers, but I also don't like bible morons who take a verse way out of context like Tsarsion did with the whole "cloud" issue in Numbers. The contextual facts if one keeps the whole chapter together is that the people of Israel were led around the desert by this cloud and when it moved, the people followed it, and when it rested over the temple the people stayed in tents. It's a bit of a leap for me to go to people taking ufo space flights. So, if anyone can help clear up the number of years for gp crossing or galaxy traveling, please share it.

06-13-2009, 09:56 PM	#13
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion No one person right now has the full truth, but many have different pieces of the puzzle. You can pretty easily 'debunk' any one researcher by focusing on what they might be wrong about, but then you're ignoring everything they might be right about too... My guess is, Chris is upset with Tsarion's stuff because Tsarion believes Jesus wasn't real and there is no truth in Jesus message, whereas Chris is a Christian so this offends his beliefs. Personally, I see that Tsarion has a lot of interesting stuff and is well worth checking out, but he certainly hasn't swayed me in my own spiritual beliefs on the validity of the message: 'do unto others as they would have them do unto you' that Jesus taught, nor the inner teachings of Christ that Jesus taught. Perhaps there is a middle ground, where yes, Jesus story is very similar to Horus and many other ancient gods, but that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen in the physical. Maybe Jesus played out a universal teaching in the physical 2000 years ago so we could all collectively learn the lessons from it, and then his story was manipulated and stolen by the same religious elite that put him to death to make his story inaccessible to us. Perhaps Jesus true mission was to show us we are ALL capable of doing the 'miracles' that Jesus did when we get past all the religious hoopla and connect to the source, the father consciousness (or more accurately, father / mother consciousness), within and overcome our own illusions of separation. So perhaps Tsarion is correct in a lot of his research that Jesus story matches many ancient stories, and that he wasn't 'the only son of god' who was a blood sacrifice to "God" for our sins, but perhaps he is incorrect in when he says Jesus is not real and we should just ignore all of the inner teachings. I agree that infighting between searchers of truth, like it appears Chris is doing here, is not a productive approach. Chris may have a part of the puzzle and Tsarion as well, but it may not be the highest good to attack another researcher based on our partial truth. Might be best if researchers focus on their own truth rather than attacking / debunking someone else's... Last edited by 14 Chakras; 06-13-2009 at 10:33 PM.

06-13-2009, 10:24 PM	#14
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Chris White debunks Michael Tsarion I like Michael, i have not watched this video, but what i will say is that Michael's years of study and investigations have given him a lot of really interesting theories. The Elders of old that's true i think and how the lands were connected and how the true knowledge was lost to all. I'm going back now to his early stuff. It's funny how religious people always find it hard to believe that they might just be wrong, it's the religious programming, indocrination from a young age. Everyone has their own take on these things and if you lean the way of perhaps the religious people have got it wrong suddenly you are slammed down, yet today less people are frequenting church so something must be putting uncertainty in to their minds. And when i hear people referring to the Creator as a him well that's wrong. The creator is of no gender, it is a powerful source of all knowing, love and compassion, each and every soul is connected to the creator that is why there is no form as such.