Government of Isreal

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

the concensus here seems obvious.
no, avalon does not hates jews (or christians, for that matter, bw )
i certainly don't hate jews, but i have a strong distrust and suspicion of the motives of zionists.
the jews are not a race, they're a religion. period.
as such, they certainly have no 'god given' right to a country, especially when that country is on stolen territory.

and i'd sure like to know what kind of hold israel has over the canadian government.
why does canada blindly and studidly allow israel to run rough shod over anyone else?
for instance, recently, canada would not allow gallagher into canada. he was waiting in washington for the okay to enter. canada is more vehement about defending israel than even the u.s..

so what's up with this?? anyone got any ideas??

The problem is we are tresspassing on someone elses planet, unless we
want to be chattel. That IS how we are viewed. Goyem!

Jews? Zionists? Wasps? Jesuits? Does it matter? They are killing you with
their greed and lust for power. Useless eaters.

I have an idea that bible prophecy is not prophecy at all. It is a deep
understanding of the nature of man. Destroyed almost to extinction we
will rebuild, greed and lust will prevail bringing us to exactly where we
are closing the circle once again. We believe we are better and different.
We believe we have free will - and we do. Yet we are compelled to express
our nature. Like my chickens in the barnyard, they just do what they do.
Exactly as their ancestors have always done it.

It is just an idea. Allowing you the benefit of doubt that we can
change our condition it must be remembered: you are not enlightened until
everyone is enlightened. If there is one greedy sod with power lust, he
will rule the world and hold the rest of you back from the ascension that
you thirst for. Why is this so? According to the new age doctrine there is
only one. Look into his eyes and you will see yourself.

Put that in your pipe and schmok it!

[dagon]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

What a relief!, then we abuse everyone equally and are EEO compliant.

un shmeist naett eiyah keshtlichi sacha zu di sei, shunsht doon si's fadredda
mitt di fees un no rumm drayya un eich fareisa

so im told...

http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...bumid=10271321
play first song.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

It is just an idea. Allowing you the benefit of doubt that we can
change our condition it must be remembered: you are not enlightened until
everyone is enlightened. If there is one greedy sod with power lust, he
will rule the world and hold the rest of you back from the ascension that
you thirst for. Why is this so? According to the new age doctrine there is
only one. Look into his eyes and you will see yourself.

Put that in your pipe and schmok it!

i couldn't agree more. i don't believe that humans can change our nature any more than a tiger can change his stripes.
i do feel that humankind is a virus on the earth, and the sooner we wipe ourselves out, the sooner our earth can begin to heal. i don't think it'sd much of a sacrifice. species go extinct every day. the only extinction that will improve the world is ours!
i hope we can manage it sooner than later.

[Czymra]

I believe that resigning over the nature of man is a little harsh of a blow to take. Yes, man might have been violent and greedy over the last thousands of years, and yes, everyone needs to stand above it if we want to 'evolve' but I can much easier align with the idea that man has always been corrupted rather than 'felt the need to express his true self'.

[Dantheman62]

This is a broken record thread, six pages and six days later you're still on the same song!
There's no ending. So why is a Lemon yellow? hmmm

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

The problem is we are tresspassing on someone elses planet, unless we
want to be chattel. That IS how we are viewed. Goyem!

ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

[dagon]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

didnt the British played a roll in that? its all political. we need a boogieman. we need a bad guy to spin the spin. its all BS. its all created... yes bad things happened. people were thought.. people were molded... lies are told... people are people. and we do what were programmed to do... it all contrived..... spin baby spin...

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by dagon

didnt the British played a roll in that? its all political. we need a boogieman. we need a bad guy to spin the spin. its all BS. its all created... yes bad things happened. people were thought.. people were molded... lies are told... people are people. and we do what were programmed to do... it all contrived..... spin baby spin...

yes dagon. the allied forces included england, france, the united states, canada and russia. mainly the brits and the american did this, though.

[nivosh]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

what israel don't want you to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuWO...eature=related


plus they stole the energies of
is - isis
ra
and, el - elohim
and, used it, in their name

eXchanger, What exactly that video suppose to prove?
That 3 Settelers, Are Idiots And Violante?

Why Do you need to make the connection of every thing to a big conspiracy plot?

This thread smells of ignorance.

you speak the words of hatred and than sign: peace and love...

[nivosh]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

This term is a made up term to justify the war that is going on between the arab nations against israel.
look here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=28222

I live in Israel. in this small (you can cross israel from north to south in about 8 hours driving, and from west to east in about 3 hours) this is the ONLY place we have to live in.

all of you, with your strong idiolagies against the crimes of israel, the so called theft of the lend from the hands of the so called palestinians, have no idea what it's like to actually live here and be subjected on an every day basis to missiles and small bombs that the "humble and week" palestinians are firing at us. you have no idea how it is to live in a place that by law, every restorant, shop, moll, has to place a guard in the entrance in order to check EVERY bag that you carry, in order to minimise suicide bombing attacks.

so please continue in your nonsense bubbling from the ivory tower that you live in.
most of you, i prasume, live in a country large enough for all the gas you produce.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by nivosh

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

This term is a made up term to justify the war that is going on between the arab nations against israel.
look here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=28222

I live in Israel. in this small (you can cross israel from north to south in about 8 hours driving, and from west to east in about 3 hours) this is the ONLY place we have to live in.

all of you, with your strong idiolagies against the crimes of israel, the so called theft of the lend from the hands of the so called palestinians, have no idea what it's like to actually live here and be subjected on an every day basis to missiles and small bombs that the "humble and week" palestinians are firing at us. you have no idea how it is to live in a place that by law, every restorant, shop, moll, has to place a guard in the entrance in order to check EVERY bag that you carry, in order to minimise suicide bombing attacks.

so please continue in your nonsense bubbling from the ivory tower that you live in.
most of you, i prasume, live in a country large enough for all the gas you produce.

What do you think about Israel's possible plans to attack Iran? I'd like to know your opinion. You very rarely write any posts here. i think we all would benefit if you presented here your point of view and your knowledge and information regarding different matters.

[nivosh]

Originally Posted by burgundia

What do you think about Israel's possible plans to attack Iran? I'd like to know your opinion. You very rarely write any posts here. i think we all would benefit if you presented here your point of view and your knowledge and information regarding different matters.

Hi burgundia.

I believe That eventualy Israel Will strike Iran.
I think this is a big part of the Grand Scheme.

We now have a preaty right wing government so...

I Think that the us doesn't want a nuclear Iran, and all these so called "peace talks" are just a way to avoid public view.

Maybe Israel will strike Iran, but it will be a joint effort of both the us and Israel. Israel and the us are so close related, as if we where the 51st state of the confederation...

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by nivosh

Hi burgundia.

I believe That eventualy Israel Will strike Iran.
I think this is a big part of the Grand Scheme.

We now have a preaty right wing government so...

I Think that the us doesn't want a nuclear Iran, and all these so called "peace talks" are just a way to avoid public view.

Maybe Israel will strike Iran, but it will be a joint effort of both the us and Israel. Israel and the us are so close related, as if we where the 51st state of the confederation...

This is obvious and everybody can see that. Tell us more about how ordinary people in israel perceive what is going on and how they are feeling right now.

[nivosh]

Originally Posted by burgundia

This is obvious and everybody can see that. Tell us more about how ordinary people in israel perceive what is going on and how they are feeling right now.

I can tell you that I just came from a huge festival...
I met there a lot of dedicated young people.

There is a true movement of people trying to make a change,
But most of the "ordinary" people are asleep.

The feeling i get is that people want to have peace but in the same breath don't believe there ever will be. not in the near future atleast.

most of us don't believe that the current Palestinians leadership is interested of co leaving in peace.

the Palestinians media is bombarding the peaple of Gaza and west bank with hatred songs and shows against Israel.

The school Books that children there learn from are full of disinformation and hatred. the children are learning to see the west as an enemy, and the war with Israel as an Islamic religious war.

The newspapers and the media are driving fear into the hearts of the sleep sheeps in order to keep the fear level high.

But as there is growing in darkness, there is growing in LiGhT,
and i do believe there is reason for everything.
And a time for it to happen.

[THE eXchanger]

i think, a lot of the problem
is around jews thinking, and, saying
they are the choosen people

i think all people are choosen people

and, i think if 2 people must fight,
than both of them are fools !!!

there is obviously a major problem,
in that part of the world,
and, this part of the world,
that supports your ongoing war with our taxes

haven't both sides lost enough sisters, and, enough brothers ???

when is enough, ENOUGH ???

sooner or later, isn't it better OPTION,
to decide to live side by side,
and, do it, in peace ???

it takes 2 groups to fight -

someone is making a huge business profit off the war

and, everyone over there, is caught right in the middle of it

and, if we don't stop it there, it is, going to spread like a wild fire
all over the globe

geez--people of the world, we can do much better than this !!!

we are supposed to be here, to be pieces of peace

and, yet, until we learn to respect others - will this ever happen ???

i am curious, what do you learn, as, a result of living
right in the middle of a war ???

i find it hard to fathom, why, people find it necessary to do this ???

if i was president of the usa
i'd stop all boats/flights/trades etc.
to that part of the world
and, allow, both sides of this equation
to handle it themselves --
trouble is, if we do that,
the war machine business ends,
and, both sides of the equation, are likely to blow up the world

how sad --when we are suposed to be here,
and, create heaven, on earth !!!
and, have some fun, while eXchanging !!!

i pray for peace - and, hope both sides can figure out
how to settle things, once, and, for all !!!

[Rainchild]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

This Hj is one of the biggest lies on the planet. There never ever was a race of people called Jews. Jew was a term associated with anyone who had awakened their concsiousness. The Gentiles are the ones not yet spiritualized. There is no j in the hebrew alphabet. Jew is JW or 33.

The place called Israel was known as the land of Canan.
Israel comes from the mystery school teachings of ISIS, RA and EL which means, mother, father, God ,or the androgynous nature of the divine.

Don't take my word for it ,do the research.

First of all that came from Jordan Maxwell a person who says that Solomon never existed. He believes Solomon comes from the word sol, (meaning sun), om, (which he claims means sun), and the word "on" from the city of AN in Heliopolis. King Solomon did exist and Harvard has confirmed it. He also beleives annoint means sex. These are all mystery school ideas.

Here is some research for you!

Debunking Jordan Maxwell the Movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ll&hl=en&emb=1

[Rainchild]

how about a poll?

[burgundia]

How were the relationships between Arabs and Jews in that region before the state of israel was created? Both nations lived there but it looks like the problems started the moment Israel came into being. Am i right or wrong? anybody please with relevant information?

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by nivosh

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

.

nivosh, this is wrong. my 1910 encyclopedia britannica has an article on 'palestine' like it has on any other country. palestine was a country, before 1948. the palestinians are the people that lived in palestine. of course they were not all the same, religion, heritage, or culture. any country contains a variety of cultures. israel consists of jews that came from all over the world. countries are diverse.

the fact is that the israelis were given a country that was not theirs and
they displaced the people that were living there, and are still doing so with expansion into the palestian territories. this is not your fault, anymore than it is my fault that europeans stole the land i live on, from the natives that were here for thousands of years. colonialism is the same. someone has to go to make room for the colonists. history repeats itself, over and over again and we never seem to learn anything.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

nivosh, this is wrong. my 1910 encyclopedia britannica has an article on 'palestine' like it has on any other country. palestine was a country, before 1948. the palestinians are the people that lived in palestine. of course they were not all the same, religion, heritage, or culture. any country contains a variety of cultures. israel consists of jews that came from all over the world. countries are diverse.

the fact is that the israelis were given a country that was not theirs and
they displaced the people that were living there, and are still doing so with expansion into the palestian territories. this is not your fault, anymore than it is my fault that europeans stole the land i live on, from the natives that were here for thousands of years. colonialism is the same. someone has to go to make room for the colonists. history repeats itself, over and over again and we never seem to learn anything.

That is absolutely right...and btw...I don't hate Jews...I married one

[BROOK]

I'd also like to add that My husband is a German Jew...meaning all of his family was killed except for his Grandfather..who escaped alive...to flourish...and create a new family here in the united states...a wonderful family..I love them dearly..when my mother died..my mother in law told me she was my mother now...and has remained that ever since...I love them with all my heart

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Rainchild

First of all that came from Jordan Maxwell a person who says that Solomon never existed. He believes Solomon comes from the word sol, (meaning sun), om, (which he claims means sun), and the word "on" from the city of AN in Heliopolis. King Solomon did exist and Harvard has confirmed it. He also beleives annoint means sex. These are all mystery school ideas.

Here is some research for you!

Debunking Jordan Maxwell the Movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ll&hl=en&emb=1

Hello rain Child ,i do my own research. I'm not a repeater.
King solomon is the same as king Arthur. Its all myth concealing the higest truths.

When you look at the numbers they are all the same with each character. The truth is in the numbers not the names and titles.

The story is the tragedy and triumph of the human soul. No ones story is any different ,because it is the only story repeated in extensive repetition, told across millenia.

This means my story is your story, and what is a story without a good villan that reflects our own inner villan.
The names and titles are absolutely useless.

In my quote,i finished with the words ,do the research,not check with Jordan Maxwell

[BROOK]

When I first saw this thread..I thought to myself...does anyone here really HATE anyone else.....if you do then you probably need to get yourself in check...hate is a worthless energy....and if you hate ...you need to get it completely out of you're system

Love, compassion, forgive, is where you need to direct your energy
PERIOD

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by BROOK

When I first saw this thread..I thought to myself...does anyone here really HATE anyone else.....if you do then you probably need to get yourself in check...hate is a worthless energy....and if you hate ...you need to get it completely out of you're system

Love, compassion, forgive, is where you need to direct your energy
PERIOD

That's why I was wondering why such a thread at all. no validity in it at all. It's like implying sth that doesn't exist...

[nivosh]

Originally Posted by burgundia

How were the relationships between Arabs and Jews in that region before the state of israel was created? Both nations lived there but it looks like the problems started the moment Israel came into being. Am i right or wrong? anybody please with relevant information?

The Conflict between Hebrew people and Arab people began long long before modern Israel came into being.
This is a conflict thousand of years old.

And don't forget that Hebrew and Arab are cousins.
originated from the same father (Abraham)