A Few Understandings to Share, Part Two - Multi-dimensional Cosmic Change

[Practitioner]

Implications of Multi-Dimensional Cosmic Change

I would like to take this opportunity to offer a theory in brief for those in the scientific community and others to consider. This theory, if indeed it were true, would have a direct bearing on man’s (and other beings') understanding of, and preparations for, what some believe will be a “change in the cosmic climate” taking place now or in the relatively near future. I offer this point of view based on my understanding that the universe is very profound and multi-dimensional in structure, that its celestial bodies exist in relation to one another, and that the universe itself undergoes processes of evolutionary change. I do not claim to be an expert or even a student in the field of astrophysics or in any other field of science for that matter, and quite frankly, my background from the perspective of contemporary science would be considered more philosophical or spiritual in nature.

However, let me begin by suggesting that we human beings live in a particular physical dimension of time-space that is delimited at the microcosmic level by molecules and delimited at the macrocosmic level by stars and other celestial bodies. The range of space between these particles appears to be very vast to us, and by and large this is the space we have always been living in, have been traveling in and have been exploring. At this level of existence, there also exist other complex structures of dimensions of time-space in parallel such that manifestations of the reality that we live in and its scenes are also reflected in these other dimensions. For example, throughout a certain range of dimensions the reality of our world would exist in its near-present state, past state and future state, as these are parallel time-space dimensions. Within the concept of time travel, the theory is that a person or object makes a jump from one parallel dimension of time-space to another. However, keep in mind that this is a description of time-space dimensions at the same level.

So when I use the term “multi-dimensional cosmic change,” I am in fact referring to a shift, an evolution, or otherwise a change in physical state that affects not only the physical dimension in which we live, but entire spans of parallel dimensions, different levels of dimensions, and the reality in numerous dimensions both within and beyond our knowledge.

First Implication: Not A Common Changing of the Age

Many scientists believe that human civilizations have existed on earth during different periods of history that predate our modern mankind. Remnants of “pre-historic” cultures have been found on nearly all of the major continents and, in some cases, below the oceans. Some people thus believe that catastrophic or cataclysmic events all but wiped out these ancient civilizations, leaving a small number of survivors in different regions who then gave rise to civilization again. Some speculate that the earth’s continental plates shifted, others believe there were earthquakes or floods, others suggest that another celestial object collided with the earth causing the extinction of living beings. However it happened, some archeologists believe that these cataclysmic changes took place on multiple occasions, perhaps even in cycles, as evidenced by these civilizations’ remains.

However, even if catastrophic/cataclysmic changes did take place numerous times in ancient history, they would not inherently be changes that occurred beyond our physical dimension. The molecular structure of this dimension and of human beings would not necessarily be altered with the changing of the age. Human beings who survived the transition period from one age to the next would live in their normal state just as before, and a similar civilization would start anew.

Multi-dimensional change, by comparison, would have a fundamentally different impact upon the earth and humankind. Imagine first of all that cataclysmic change might take place not only on our planet, but on other planets and celestial bodies as well, being a process of change on a more cosmic rather than global scale. Now go a step further and ponder fundamental changes taking place simultaneously at sub-molecular planes of existence, sub-atomic planes of existence, and other dimensions of time-space linked to ours. The outcome of such a change could ultimately have a near-infinite number of variables and would seem to be all but impossible to predict.

Second Implication: Not Only Surface Particles Would Be Affected by Change, Sub-Molecular Particles Could Also Be Affected

As alluded to above, multi-dimensional cosmic change would in all likelihood affect the biophysical composition of living beings within relevant dimensions. For example, if hydrogen and oxygen atoms were to be restored to a higher state of purity, or their state were otherwise affected, then we would find that water (composed of H2-O molecules) would itself undergo a fundamental change. As a consequence, all living beings would likely experience (or would need to experience) a process of change in order to adapt to a fundamentally different state within our dimension.

So whereas in the past, survivors of global or cosmic change were those who by fate or by design evaded a catastrophe, in the event of a multi-dimensional process of change, such evasive measures would be rendered inconsequential, since changes would be due to take place within the actual living beings themselves. In other words, one would not be able to elude particles that compose his or her very being, and might not be able to adapt well to the evolved state of their dimension even if he or she could.

Third Implication: Groups of Interconnected Time-Space Dimensions Could Change Categorically, Changing Both Past and Future

As described previously, dimensions of time-space that are interconnected can reflect the same or similar manifestation of reality at different points in time from past, to present, to future. I have also heard parallel time dimensions described as existing much like the annual rings of a tree, whereby time is moving more quickly towards the center dimensions, while time is progressing more slowly towards the outer edge. So these interlinked dimensions display a continuum of time from past to present to future from our perspective.

Dimensions of time are relative. In some dimensions time moves very fast, in others much more slowly. However, if change indeed takes place on a macro-cosmic and micro-cosmic scale, it would affect entire spans of time-space dimensions categorically whereby change is not only reflected in our current dimension, but across all affected dimensions. So the past, present and future each experiences change—the past conditions are no longer the same, the present conditions are no longer the same, and the future conditions are no longer the same. Predictions of the future and even the transpired history of the future would no longer be valid. So even if those with certain abilities or tools at their disposal can now claim, “I have seen the future! I know what the future will be like!” What they have seen would be manifestations of the future prior to its categorical change. The depiction of the future they have observed may not be the actual impending reality.

Hypothesis: The Universe is a Living Being, Existing in Numerous Dimensions and Undergoing Bio-Physical Changes Not Unlike Our Bodies’ Metabolic Process of Cellular Renewal

As I believe some scientists have already observed, changes have been taking place within range of the Milky Way galaxy that involve the fundamental composition of matter itself. Enormous celestial bodies have been observed to rapidly disintegrate or undergo an equally rapid and even more astounding process of reformation. At the same time, new celestial bodies and even systems of stars, have been generated. In actuality, this process of cosmic change is affecting enormous spans of the cosmos and many, many time-space dimensions on both microcosmic and macrocosmic levels. It is also affecting the bio-physical composition of matter from its very origin.

So while scientists speak of earth changes involving dramatic seismic activity or even a shift of the physical poles in accordance with the normal 26,000-year cycle of our solar system passing through the central galactic plane, I believe that what we are observing is also something fundamentally different and something more enormous. If we are willing to entertain the idea that our universe is actually a living being with its own bio-physical processes of evolution and regeneration, I believe we might find some parallel to the current process of cosmic transformation in our own bodies’ process of metabolism and generation of new cells.

[tone3jaguar]

The 26,000 year cycle is actually how long it takes to circumnavigate the galaxy one time on earth. We pass through the galactic plane every 13,000 years. This is why the oldest civiliazations that they have found off of the coasts of Japan, Inda, and Cuba are about 13,000 years old.

Your conclusions are all correct and in alignment with the work I have studied of David Wilcock. I do have a peice of the puzzle that I would like to add to your original post. When we pass through the galactic plane on Dec. 21 2012 there will indeed be a global alchemical transformation of all matter on the planet that is not being held down at below threshold frequencies of consciousness for some reason.

We are currently living in the 3rd dimension of the 7d construct of our universe. When we go through the galactic equator we will be resonating at very high frequencies due to that region of space being saturated by those energies. In the 5-7 seconds it takes the earth to pass through this waffer thin particle stream at the equator, the frequency of consciousness will be temporarily punched up to such a high level that the hyperdimensional geometry of the earth will fundamentally shift. The earth and most of everything on it will instantly jump to the 4th dimension.

The 4th dimension is the inverse of where we are now. We currently exist in SPACE/TIME. So we can move freely through space, but only through time with our consciousness, or black ops off world technology. In the 4th dimension we will be existing in TIME/SPACE. So we will be able to move freely through time, however space will be fixed. If we wish to move through space in 4d we will actually need to temporarily jump back to 3d by use of permanent portals accessable from our new reality.

So then people ask: If that is true then where are all of the 4th dimension people? Why are there not time travelers everywhere" Or: Why have I not yet come back to visit myself? The answer is quite simple. There is a law of this universe where in higher dimensions are not allowed to directly interfear with lower ones. If they do there are severe consequences for the consciousness responsible for it.

The alchemical transformation actually goes beyond the geometric density changes of matter at the micro level. Something that the russians figured out a while back was that DNA is actually the background programming not only for living things, but also every construct of our reality. You can't chip a piece off of a rock and do a DNA test on it. The DNA that programs our non-living material reality is actually etheric and exits within things called Torsian Fields. So the double helix structure we are all so framiliar with as being the programming construct for living things is also what holds plasma out of superpostion from things as small as subatomic particle to complex systems like the computer I am typing on.

The DNA both etheric and material is currently going through geometric changes. These changes are making it compatible with the high frequency reality of the 4th dimension. So the only thing that will prevent an object or a person from making the jump to the new reality is a low vibrational state of consciousness. So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. Similarly, if the individual is holding themselves at low frequencies of consciousness with consistently negative emotions based in fear, then they will also be left behind during this transition.

[NorthernSanctuary]

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.

Yes, but the law of physics are much more pliable in the 4th dimension. If you did not have the same house, you could just create one in your mind and instantly manifest it.

[Practitioner]

Tone3:

I am very impressed with your understanding. I think we are not in disagreement. However, I would like to reiterate a point I was trying to make in my original post, again apologizing for being obtuse and a non-physicist.

If there is a warning inherent in my post it is that, to my understanding, this 4th dimension of space/time as it exists currently--where the form of matter is different from that of this 3rd dimension and where the concept of time as we know it in the 3rd dimension doesn't exist--could also be subject to change. That is, the fundamental composition of the matter that creates not only the 3rd dimension, but the 4th dimension, the 5th dimension, and so on, could change. You mention that, "The DNA both etheric and material is currently going through geometric changes." I'm impressed that scientists have already observed this.

The lives of human beings on earth today, the vast majority of them at least, originated and already exist beyond the 3rd dimension. I am not referring to our physical bodies that reside in this dimension and are composed of this dimension's surface particles. I am referring to layers of our bodies (which I suppose some people may be labeling as "consciousness") that exist at a sub-molecular level. For example, I have learned that when a person dies, his/her physical body made of flesh cells is removed and decomposes. However, the person's body structure at a sub-molecular level remains in tact and continues to undergo re-incarnation. Parenthetically, human flesh bodies can, I suppose, be considered vessels, but the life and consciousness of a being originate from its main spirit composed at a microcosmic level. Call it a soul if you'd like, but this is what I refer to as a person. Our physical bodies reside in this dimension, but there are also other forms of our bodies linked to us in other dimensions. The structure of dimensions is actually very complex, and a human being is actually multi-dimensional to begin with.

I think you've captured a very important and fundamental point, which is that this transition is related to an elevation of one's mind. While some have historically debated the relationship between 'mind' and 'matter' as though they comprise a dualism, the reality, as I understand, is that mind and matter are actually one and the same. People's thought substance exists materially, and at the same time, physical 'objects' are actually also conscious lives. So the energy/matter that composes us, which other cultures have called "qi" (pronounced "chee"), ki ("kee"), or "spirit" (from a Christian perspective), will indeed undergo or need to undergo a positive transformation. It starts by being a good person and having regard for moral character. The Chinese have a word for 'moral character' or 'heart-mind nature,' which is xinxing (pronounced 'shin shing').

The warning inherent to my original post is that I do not believe that a technological invention, whether forged in this 3rd dimension or even another dimension in the existing universe, will successfully substitute for a being's genuine improvement in character.

[tone3jaguar]

Yes, I agree with what you are saying. The paradoxical thing that is almost impossible for myself or anyone else in this realm to clearly understand is the multi-dimensional higher self.

So lets say that time as we know it does get turned litteraly inside out. So right now as I type this my 4th density self could, if he chose to, look in on what I am doing. Why not, after all I will be able to zip and unzip time after the shift.

Similarly, when my soul evolves to the 5th dimensional construct then this strange thing called omnipresence starts to occur. Now I am at all times and spaces at once and can also look in on myself. I can even give myself messages in the forms of numbers or symbolic dreams. The same applies as I evolve further into the 6th and 7th dimensions.
This is the origin off the higher self.

I do not however belive that all of the dimensions of consciousness simultaniously across the universe suddenly jump up one level. Even here in the 3rd dimension it is only our solar system that is comming to this threshold. Other earth like planets in the milky way are at different evolutionary stages. Some are where we where 2000 years ago and some have made the dimensional jump multiple times already.

In fact, there has been a theroy lirking out there for quiite some time that the shift in the infrared spectrum that astronomers use to calculate the distance of stars from earth is not caused by distance at all. Instead what they are veiwing is the shift in the infrared caused by which dimension that particular star is in.

[recallone]

Jaguar, to look in on what you're doing in 3d implies a separation, doesn't it? The nature of that idea feels a little off to me. Maybe I'm just not following you - these subjects can be slippery and difficult to communicate, I know. More of your thoughts on that?

And I don't think it's so much that everything will jump up one dimension as it will be an opportunity to unlock some of what's been hidden in order to effectively navigate through those other dimensions...consciously. Not everyone will make that leap. Not everyone is ready to detach from . . . well, all the stuff they're attached to.

Whether you put your stamp of approval on David Wilcocks' take on things or if you're already finding the answers within, those who are figuring it out and dismissing the trappings (programming) of a 3d reality are the ones adequately preparing for the upcoming opportunity to make that move, so to speak. For those who choose to continue fooling themselves about the truth they know they're hiding from, it will be a decidedly different experience.
IMHO, that is.

[tone3jaguar]

It is part of the construct of our 3d reality to view aspects of ourselves as different than aspects of others. Much of this is supposed to dissolve when we get to the 4th dimension. Here I guess that just about everyone is aware of the concept that we are all essentially one being. However, the illusion of seperation will still exist there to some degree. It is not until the soul has learned to truly overcome all of the seperation illusions in 3rd and 4th density and let go of a desire to be an individual that they are ready for the omnipresent non-seperation reality of the 5th-7th dimensions. Or that is the way that I understand it. David Wilcock has been studying the Law Of One material for over a decade. He would have a much more articulate and accurate explanation than the one that I am presenting here.

So I think that if you go strait to throwing out all aspects of your individuality while here in the 3rd dimension then you will fail to learn all of the lessons that are supposed to be tought while in this state of consciousness. So a philisophical / metaphysical understanding of the fact that we are all actually part of the same consciousness is important information to have if one is setting up moral and ethical rules to apply to thier life and how they interact with society.

Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do. Actually living as though we have no individuality in this domain is not what we are supposed to do. It is one of those Zen paradoxes that you have to ponder and make up your mind about yourself.

[Practitioner]

My understanding is that individual beings still exist. Were we like particles of a larger reality or living being, we would still be distinguishable.

As for what we are able to perceive of ourselves and of life and the universe, this also depends on our own characteristics and attainment as beings.

[Practitioner]

Also, I do not believe these profound phenomena can be understood well at the level of ordinary human thinking. The 'ordinary' human mind and senses seem to create the effect of defracting reality into kaleidoscopic images and concepts. By stilling the mind and returning to one's true self, one can begin to apprehend some truth and gain some understanding of the way things really are.

[Czymra]

Just an idea. I'm not a mathematician or a physicist but one might have to see the idea of dimensions more removed from space. One usually hears (maybe I'm out of date on this) that we have three spatial dimensions and the fourth is time, or at least that's what was given to me surrounding relativity theory.

I have the gut feeling that from dimension 3 to dimension 4, you don't gain 1 more dimension, but rather 4 of them. As an illustration:

1st Dimension: a single spot - Beingness, God? - no polarities
2nd Dimension: an infinite line - time - toward future, toward past
3rd Dimension: triangle - space - directions as in x y z
4th Dimension: square? - ? - ?

So as most spatial operations can only operate on the base of a triangle, maybe the fourth dimension can only exist on the base of a square, but we'd be looking for four new polarities that make up the foundation of that one.
That means one would be in the fourth dimension but there are 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 'polarities' of that dimension, being 10.

As I said, just a gut feeling.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Practitioner

Also, I do not believe these profound phenomena can be understood well at the level of ordinary human thinking. The 'ordinary' human mind and senses seem to create the effect of defracting reality into kaleidoscopic images and concepts. By stilling the mind and returning to one's true self, one can begin to apprehend some truth and gain some understanding of the way things really are.

Cool - some hardcore metaphysics for a change

Ordinary "human" thinking is rational. Supra-normal is (what most of us here can do occasionally) is where the higher mind gets involved and everything starts taking on the "feeling" of understanding rather than the bone crunching rigour of the 3D "rational" process and its resultant understanding.

When that higher faculty is involved (which is a lot of what intuition is about) everything progresses nice and smoothly

Just one thing I see a lot of people referring to 3D as time/space and higher as space/time - everything I have read so far has it the other way around. Conventional scientists like Einstein talked of the "Space Time continuum". This maybe an issue of English not being a native language for some of us, I dont know.

The way I conceptualise it is that there are 3 dimensions of space and 3 of time (totalling 6 dimensional in a super co-ordinate system to represent a location system for everything in space/time and time/space). Note that this does not say what is located, just where!

When people talk about dimensions of conciousness or realms of manifest existence, 3D 4D 5D etc they are referring to a vibrational quality - but not much is ever said about what it is that is vibrating? I have always assumed that the thing that is vibrating is doing so along one or more of those 6 axes and this therefore conditions its "existence". Where the existence happens (space/time time/space) is a quality and consequence of that vibration.

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[recallone]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

It is part of the construct of our 3d reality to view aspects of ourselves as different than aspects of others. Much of this is supposed to dissolve when we get to the 4th dimension. Here I guess that just about everyone is aware of the concept that we are all essentially one being. However, the illusion of seperation will still exist there to some degree. It is not until the soul has learned to truly overcome all of the seperation illusions in 3rd and 4th density and let go of a desire to be an individual that they are ready for the omnipresent non-seperation reality of the 5th-7th dimensions. Or that is the way that I understand it. David Wilcock has been studying the Law Of One material for over a decade. He would have a much more articulate and accurate explanation than the one that I am presenting here.

So I think that if you go strait to throwing out all aspects of your individuality while here in the 3rd dimension then you will fail to learn all of the lessons that are supposed to be tought while in this state of consciousness. So a philisophical / metaphysical understanding of the fact that we are all actually part of the same consciousness is important information to have if one is setting up moral and ethical rules to apply to thier life and how they interact with society.

Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do. Actually living as though we have no individuality in this domain is not what we are supposed to do. It is one of those Zen paradoxes that you have to ponder and make up your mind about yourself.

I've got to admit something, tone...anytime I see a statement that begins with 'According to such and such..' or that we're supposed to do a certain something, or that something is supposed to happen this way - I'm automatically hesitant of what's to follow. I'm familiar with David Wilcock's work and I'm familiar with the Law of One. I'm also familiar with the Tao te ching, the Bible, and a number of other books and opinions. Which one do I endorse? None of them.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?, then moved beyond that to embrace a greater truth. (Me too, btw). But when you talk of learning lessons and "Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do"- it tells me that you're attaching yourself to truths that should otherwise be considered transient. It's only true right now, for you. It's important to recognize that you can't grasp the next truth if you're still holding onto yesterday's truth. I don't mean to harp on you and please don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen how the Law of One work in particular has managed to hit some of the same key notes that will feel especially familiar for Christians. The kind of notes that divide.

Beyond the lessons of this teacher and that author, what feels like truth? If something doesn't gel, don't just repeat it with the disclaimer of 'according to' but continue to do what all of us have BEEN doing....questioning EVERYTHING. That includes the opinions of so-called enlightened ones.

I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

just my two cents worth.
peace and light to all
recallone

[Czymra]

Wow, well spoken recallone.
The traps of yet another 'division' are too numerous to even count and many materials and people are filled with those memes. It seems the hardest part to just let go of ascension, of being first, best.
But if you do, how to keep from being lazy? It's a thin line to walk.

[Anchor]

Agree - excellent post recallone. Discretion is what its all about. Never stop questioning your sources.

There is an infallible point of reference in all of us, and the paradox is here that we have to learn to see it and not to doubt that one

[Practitioner]

I believe there is nothing wrong with having faith in a principle or teaching during one's quest for truth. And actually, whether 'science' or 'spirituality,' aren't both seeking truth, understanding and actualization?

I can say that there historically have been many prophets, many ways of practice, and several ways that have taken the form of religion. Ultimately, one practice would disparage another and tell its followers not to listen to others. The issue with orthodox religions and ways of cultivation practice is that the underlying principles do vary between them, their goals may be different, their methods of progress are different, and the forms of energy circulation and bodily transformation (if any) are different. At a certain point it has thus been necessary for a practitioner to choose one path in order to make real progress, else the different practices would conflict with one another. This is one reason that orthodox practices would disparage or discredit one another.

There are also different forms of gods and higher beings, including Buddhas, Taos and Gods that westerners are familiar with. Their characteristics and forms of existence are different, and as a result their teachings and methods of cultivation are somewhat different as well.

What is a higher being then? A higher being is one who is composed of more refined, more microcosmic, and more potent energy matter than we human beings.

[tone3jaguar]

Recallone, thank you for putting much thought and analysis into my postings in this thread. This is part of what makes a healthy discussion. We are both walking the path, however I think we may be at different stages of this path which leads to the differences in our paradigms.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

Please re-read the post. I have said nothing to the effect that there will be a greater sence of seperation leading up to and after the shift. I actually said that there will be a softening of the concept of seperation after the shift. The illusion of seperation from a sensory perception level will still exist in the next realm. No matter how evolved we think we have become in this life, we are not ready for the status of demigods.

In my paradigm, there are 27 archetypes of learning that each soul is going to go through in 3rd density as part of the design of this particular galaxy. Until the lessons learned during these experiences that are spread over multiple lifetimes are completed, the full evolutionary step up to the higher dimensions will not occur. If people are not ready before the shift, they will still jump to 4th density. However they will all be in a zone of 4th density where in the construct is very much similar to as it is here. This way they can complete thier souls progression through this learning curve and fully ascend when they are ready to. So their will be a partial ascension scenario going on for the majority of humans on the planet at this time.

I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?

Nope, maby in a past life. The only religion I was exposed to at a young age was Shamanism, which really is not a religion because there are no set rules teachings or parameters.

Remembering the wisdom accumulated from past experiences is a far cry from allowing ones self to hold on to the emotions of these experiences which can lead to the fragmenting of ones consciousness during these times. Living in the moment does not mean never thinking of the past. It means never living in the emotions of the past.

I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

I agree with what you are saying here. However, as long as you are still alive, complete seperation from your ego 24/7 is not going to be possible. The non-ambiguous definition of the ego is "Who you belive you are in this world". It is very possible during meditation to completely seperate youself from your ego. How are you going to seperate youself from your ego when you are at the grocery store? How will you stand in line at the check out without recognizing that there are 4 people standing in line before you? In order to do this you would have to be in an omnipresent state of consciousness seperate from the meat suit we are all born with. That is not going to happen in this dimension.

[tone3jaguar]

Just one thing I see a lot of people referring to 3D as time/space and higher as space/time - everything I have read so far has it the other way around. Conventional scientists like Einstein talked of the "Space Time continuum". This maybe an issue of English not being a native language for some of us, I dont know.

You are right, I described them correctly and typed them backwards. I have now edited the post.

[recallone]

Hey tone, I'm glad you received my words in the same energy they were offered. I'm beginning to really like this site again.

Without quoting and reposting the same info as above, I'll just respond as succintly as possible. This is where we misunderstood each other, I think. You wrote:

So lets say that time as we know it does get turned litteraly inside out. So right now as I type this my 4th density self could, if he chose to, look in on what I am doing. Why not, after all I will be able to zip and unzip time after the shift.

Similarly, when my soul evolves to the 5th dimensional construct then this strange thing called omnipresence starts to occur. Now I am at all times and spaces at once and can also look in on myself. I can even give myself messages in the forms of numbers or symbolic dreams. The same applies as I evolve further into the 6th and 7th dimensions.
This is the origin off the higher self.

If you can look in on yourself (in another dimension - as opposed to being aware of the multi-dimensional relationship) doesn't that imply a separation of consciousness? If you're possibly giving yourself messages, that seems to me a separation; an absence of connection. I hear what you mean, about dreams and symbols - but that kind of takes the discussion into the dream realm and begs the obvious question of what that dream world really is. Another dimension? The internal ego workings-out of waking situations? I would anticipate a greater understanding of that relationship (between us and our dreams) as opposed to a continued mystery wherein we could slip ourselves info to assist us. Something about that just seems . . . I don't know - tangled up?

It sounds like you've got a pretty solid understanding of time, which is why I'm confused by your position of there needing to be a process BEFORE the shift, but that once the shift happens - we'll be able to understand, and therefore overcome that obstacle (in regards to manifestation, BEING who and what you choose to be, etc). Time will be something completely redefined, agreed. But shouldn't our understanding of it as it is now serve us in our experience of now? The idea that we have to wait for something/someone/some event, to me - seems to embrace the idea that something outside of ourselves has the power to save us, as it were. If it's all happening now (past, present, future), what's stopping us from reaching for 4th and 5th density now? With the increased vibrational energy and the quickening, is there anything that can be appropriately considered impossible?

I mean, I'm not going to go jump off a building and expect to fly - but I feel we're more able to tap into that greater connection and understanding now, more so than we've ever been before. It just seems to me that waiting for something is again embracing the limitations of this dimension, and therefore our connection TO all of it.

This is the stuff I really dig. Thank you to those of you participating. And thanks Anchor, Czymra for the nod. And just so we're clear with each other, I've always had a healthy amount of respect for your perspectives, tone3jaguar. Thank you for being in the mix.

recallone

[tone3jaguar]

You are right, recallone. We do not have to wait until the shift to finish out these lessons. I myself just finished the 27th lesson and completed my souls progression only a few weeks ago. The reason I say that most people on earth are not yet ready for full on ascension is the materialism keeps them on the same learning lessons over and over again. Where as if they find a path of spiritual connectedness and consciously break the habbit of materialism then they start progressing the way they intended to before they where incarnated.

There are quite a few new souls to this planet that have already finished this learning curve, once ascended, and have voluteered to come to earth to help raise the over all vibration of the planet towards the good side of things. These people (mostly children) will automatically regain thier ascended abilities when we pass through the galactic plane.

We are currently being saturated with frequencies of consciousness that have not been seen on this planet for over 13,000 years. It is changing our DNA and greatly enhancing our full human potential. This is a nessesary part of the whole ascension process. First the consciousness ascends, this is followed by the body.

I was confused on this until a few days ago myself. I posted a thread a few months back in this forum called "Intuitive Dowsing for DNA shifts". In that thread I had predicted prematurely that as soon as an individuals DNA had geometrically changed that they would suddenly have ascended abilities and be superhuman. That theroy was good at the time, however it seems as though it had a flaw. The flaw was that you actually have to be on the earth while it passes through the high intensity particle stream at the galactic equator in order for all of the DNA changes to spontaniously be manifested in the flesh. Either that or you have to pass through a high tech machine that replicates the conditions on earth when this happens.

It turns out that we are indeed gaining some ascended abilities of the consciousness. We are more easily seeing the big picture, intuitive data is comming in clearer and more frequent, people are having energy and heat pulsing from thier bodies, and other manifestations of the process are occuring.

There will be a core group of about 122,000 people that are chosen to go through the ascension process early. They will be brought to undisclosed locations, prepared, then exposed to an advanced technology that induces the ascension process by replicating the conditions on earth when the transition occurs. These people will be able to do crazy stuff like fly around and other xmen sci-fi things. All of these people are about to or have just finished thier souls progression in 3rd density and are ready to set the example.

[recallone]

Where does 122,000 come from? Did you read it, or intuit it?
And how many lessons are there? Is 27 the finish line?

[tone3jaguar]

The 122,000 comes from my the team of guides that I have accumulated over the past 10 years both on purpose and by circumstance. In order to find out how far along you are and how much you have left to learn you must inlist the help of an accomplished intuitive that can help clarify this for you. Yes the 27th lesson is the finish line. No skipping lessons. But not to worry. Like I said, you will still go to 4th density and be in a much more positive upgraded version of this reality once you get there even if you are not ready for full on ascension yet. Just go with the flow, don't have anticipation about what might happen. Comes right back to the points you where making about being committed to the moment. If you do that then the lessons will present themselves exactly when they are supposed to.

[Czymra]

I'm very interested in those 27 principles.
Can I have a list or a link? What 'belief system' is this a part of? It sounds a little like Wingmakers to me when I hear set numbers of 'helpers'.

[tone3jaguar]

The 27 cards in the terrot deck are symbolic for the 27 archetypal lessons we are here to learn. That is David Wilcocks information which he derived from the law of one. You don't go out and seek these lessons. Searching for them is a mistake. Instead you recognize that they exist. Then when confronted with new challenging situations you recognize that this may very well be one of the lessons that you are supposed to overcome.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The 27 cards in the terrot deck are symbolic for the 27 archetypal lessons we are here to learn. That is David Wilcocks information which he derived from the law of one. You don't go out and seek these lessons. Searching for them is a mistake. Instead you recognize that they exist. Then when confronted with new challenging situations you recognize that this may very well be one of the lessons that you are supposed to overcome.

That's actually what I suspected. You say they have to be passed through in order? In a single lifetime?