James of Wingmakers interview

UncleJohn · 12-06-2008, 02:35 AM

Uncle John here: Well, well, well, you can never tell.

Project Camelot publishes a written interview of James of Wingmakers fame.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/james_..._integral.html

You know that I can't let this stand without a review. If James were standing in front of me he would experience a good slap upside the face.

This is going to take awhile and it is going to be fun.

"The reason for the Human Mind System to exist is for the Elite to exercise control over the Money-Power Grid."

This is total B.S. The Human Mind System exists for the benefit of God. The Money-Power Grid exists for the benefit of the devil.

Only love can fill.

P.S. After this forum goes to a subscription base, I'm out of here. I'm not hard to find and I will finish this review elsewhere.

ENdJOY · 12-06-2008, 03:24 AM

well, if James were standing in front of me, I would be tempted to kiss his feet!

OMG...this is so spectacular ... straight answers to great questions !

This may well go down in history as INDEPENDENCE DAY !

Quote:

"We are extremely excited to have been able to present this amazing set of answers - extending to over 20,000 words - to our penetrating questions on all aspects of the Great Game or Big Picture from James. There are few living today who in our estimation could approach his degree of clarity or vision into truth and the nature of what it means to be human." Kerry and Bill.

UncleJohn · 12-06-2008, 03:31 AM

Uncle John here: I admit that they are great questions. Way to go Project Camelot.

ENdJOY · 12-06-2008, 04:00 AM

"Before you, the reader, continue on, let me warn you that this is a sobering and direct analysis of the suppression framework and I would advise everyone who reads this to remain neutral as they examine my answers. If you find the information feeling too “heavy” or evoking fear, set it aside or return to it later. This story is not for everyone. Some will feel threatened by it and react with a sense of alarm, and others will feel like someone pulled the rug from underneath them. If you feel any of this, you may not be prepared to confront these realities." James

UncleJohn · 12-06-2008, 04:14 AM

Uncle John here: I agree with the following:

"this is a sobering and direct analysis of the suppression framework"

I've been talking about mind control (yet another phrase for the suppression framework) for a long while.

I don't agree with James's conclusions.

Another thing. I willing to publicly in good taste to discuss my opinions about this and James hides behind a framework that this one surmises is ET based. I recognize their fear of the light. The light of exposure. The light of disclosure. The light of truth or at least my(our) best attempt at it.

ENdJOY · 12-06-2008, 05:10 AM

When James launched the WMs website, now ten years ago, he included a section called Interviews, that laid out in detail, exactaly what we are experiencing now. The economic collapse, conspiracies, illuminati, incunebua,ACIO, etc etc etc, and he has been spot on, revealing plans that were fifty years in the making... I believe his disclosure led to many others coming forward and that he has the ability to change the way we look at our world with this interview.

Just when it felt as if the lights were about to go out, he holds up this torch to brighten our path...there are no words for the gratitude I am feeling now, for the information he has revealed.

UncleJohn · 12-06-2008, 09:27 AM

Quote:

When James launched the WMs website, now ten years ago, he included a section called Interviews, that laid out in detail, exactaly what we are experiencing now. The economic collapse, conspiracies, illuminati, incunebua,ACIO, etc etc etc, and he has been spot on, revealing plans that were fifty years in the making... I believe his disclosure led to many others coming forward and that he has the ability to change the way we look at our world with this interview.

Just when it felt as if the lights were about to go out, he holds up this torch to brighten our path...there are no words for the gratitude I am feeling now, for the information he has revealed.

Uncle John here: First, there is no way that I'm going to put your avatar name in one of my posts. On the face or spelling of it, it reads as a negative assertion of which I'll have no part of, although I enjoy and respect the freedom for one to use any avatar name they feel drawn to use. I can see it as a play on spelling and I'll leave it at that.

Much of my learning of the realities of life have come from masked personalities such as James. For this, I share your gratitude. Gratitude is one of my favorite words and emotions.

As I have grown older (I'm 64) I have perceived where the the source is of the information these masked personalities are drawing from. I consider their sources to be from the dark side of life.

It could be said with a certain perspective, which is not one that I hold, that earth is a prison planet. I present this as a point to be considered in order to speculate that the motivation of these dark sources is that of jailers with a guilty conscience attempting to ameliorate their negative position in the larger reality of life. This is a difficult concept for me to illustrate and I pray I have presented my views without too much distortion.

Mankind is struggling with evil in this world. Hidden evil. The only way that I can see that humans can overcome this evil is for us to hold hands together with the ideals of truth and openness. I see James as one who holds forth the ideals of truth to a large extent. I see James as one who refuses to be open.

Why James hides behind anonymity, I know not why, but he does, and for this I will call him out anywhere and everywhere he raises his head to present his views.

I've been calling out these types of personalities for most of my life and so far I have not been blessed with an open, one to one, continuing discussion with any one of these. They slink away back to the darkness when I call them out.

James's torch does brighten our path, but I do not seek a brighter path, I seek illumination for all humanity and ultimately for all sentient beings everywhere and throughout all time. I strive to follow the Boddhisattva path. Buddha did not hide in the darkness.

UncleJohn · 12-06-2008, 03:49 PM

Uncle John here: The following statement from James differs from most all testimony of government and non government sources. The question is why?

"The beings that exist in the manifested, three-dimensional universe are human and only human."

For now, I'll just leave my comments at that.

Sorry Kerry, I would have loved to discuss this further with you and additionally James, but I doubt that either is going to happen. IMO, it was not you which was the reason the Wingmakers material was not cast into a movie, it was the material itself which prevented this. I hope that this makes you feel better about yourself. I do feel that you and Bill have made a very valuable contribution with Project Camelot and I look forward to your future interviews.

Transparency without openness is not transparency at all. Secrecy and transparency don't go together at all.

Cyberbird · 12-07-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleJohn

If James were standing in front of me he would experience a good slap upside the face.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

well, if James were standing in front of me, I would be tempted to kiss his feet!

This is so funny.

It says so much about both of your personalities. Should I add my answer ? ; ]

If James were standing in front of me, I would stare at him a second, then go around and continue my path.

Gnosis5 · 12-07-2008, 01:24 AM

Yah, likewise, Cyberbird. Plus I think I would thank him for the neat artwork and poetry and music and thank him for validating some of the discoveries I've made on my path.

As long as I continue on my path I will find out for myself what is true.

ENdJOY · 12-07-2008, 08:14 AM

cyberbird, I did not say that I WOULD kiss his feet, but that I would be tempted to do so...where as the other said he WOULD slap him upside the head...big difference.

James has brighten my path...and for this I am extremely grateful, I am sure that it has been a mostly thank less service that he does, countless hours, translating materials, composing music and poetry, painting and creating websites...what would drive a man to contribute so much, if it were not Unconditional love for his fellow man?

while you may just ignore him, and stumble along the path in darkness alone, I respect your choice, yet, I am honored to walk along side James, who recognizes the road signs, and who flow fluidly around the obstacles, and who treats me like an equal.

My journey with the Wingmakers, has been the most IN-lighten-ing experience of all my life times...and I enjoy the pleasure of his entire company.

UncleJohn · 12-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

James has brighten my path...and for this I am extremely grateful, I am sure that it has been a mostly thank less service that he does, countless hours, translating materials, composing music and poetry, painting and creating websites...what would drive a man to contribute so much, if it were not Unconditional love for his fellow man?

while you may just ignore him, and stumble along the path in darkness alone, I respect your choice, yet, I am honored to walk along side James, who recognizes the road signs, and who flow fluidly around the obstacles, and who treats me like an equal.

My journey with the Wingmakers, has been the most IN-lighten-ing experience of all my life times...and I enjoy the pleasure of his entire company.

Uncle John here: Don't get me wrong. I have a very high opinion of James and the Wingmakers material. He has presented a system of materials, insights and instructions to follow that far exceed anything that I could do.

I just heard his third audio interview with Mark and I was very, very impressed. His best yet.

It is because of my opinion of him that I would slap him upside the face. Why?

Because my goal is not to uplift people in life, my goal is to expose the truth of reality. It is from that truth that systems like James can proceed from.

Make no mistake of it, James material is channeled material and even he probably doesn't realize this. Even worse, he doesn't care. Again, I have the utmost respect for what James has brought us.

The seeker does not need to throw out discernment why accepting insights and learning from Masters and James is a Master.

James talks about transparency in his Camelot interview. If James really believed in transparency then he would be concerned to see transparency in the source of his materials.

Many times James has presented his material as truth, only later to causally deny it as just the skin of an onion. In my view this is not good.

I look forward to meeting, God willing, if ever, a guide with James's level of knowledge who is open and available and not surrounded with isolation, secrecy, or an ivory tower.

If the readers don't see this in my post and only stick with their guru worship then they are missing the point! I not saying that guru worship is bad, I'm saying that it can be perfected with discernment.

THE eXchanger · 12-07-2008, 01:43 PM

i do NOT see any place james says
we must worship him ???

or, anyone else for that matter

to pay attention to "self"

the biggest trouble,
for anyone who has anything significant to say,
is that, the only thing, that is ugly associated with it,
is the opinions of someone else

let me give you a few examples,
i have seen:

1) the comment - they are crazy -- of course,
this is NEVER backed up with any proof,
and, oft times, the person slinging that arrow,
has no creditdentials to make such an assumption,
in the first place - which makes for an untruthful
assessment of the real facts

2) the work, it can NOT be original
so, they copied from someone else
(however, they can NEVER prove that)

3) it is always quite apparent that the other person
tossing the ill words,
they hold a "green card" of "envy" - which is a hard
dragon to slay

anyone who steps out to do anything significant
in their lifetime, if they knew,
they were going to do that,
they would likely wish, they had thought ahead,
and, taken steps, to guard, their privacy,
and, since, you do NOT need to prove anything
but your truth, the fact, you do NOT reveal who you are
is a mute point

EarthBowl · 12-07-2008, 02:32 PM

Hi Uncle John,
Yes, we do not need Gurus now. I think that was said by james in this interview also. We as humanity are in a different place than when Jesus, Budda were here.
THAT may be a main reason James stays in the shadows doing his work quietly. We are to grow up and take responsibility for learning who we are. First Point= oneness, unity, truth.
My understanding of the WMM - the purpose is discovery of who we really are/ the Grand Portal. (ALSO- look at our culture - we make celebrities out of people- it would happen to Jamers- and just be another way to distract us from our own responsibility. PS I am not saying you but many would be distracted).
Yes, there is something compelling about james... it may be his Sovereign Integral that we find so attract- ive. It may be that we recognize the truth and are drawn to it. Our human instrument tries to distract us because it is afraid it may dissolve in the presence of the SI.
I dont know the answers for others. I take what feels right to me now. and try to be open to know truth.

Mypos · 12-07-2008, 05:19 PM

James interview is certainly interesting to read. But I there is something I have learned lately is nobody has the answers. Nobody knows for sure what is coming or how we as humans are and which path we are to follow.
That being said I have difficulty some of the things he says. Like he is saying in 2012 nothing will happen. And other things like the human soul is inprisoned. How would he know that kinds of things to be true? There are many other people who say different things. And alot of people who say there are things going to happen in 2012.

giovonni · 12-07-2008, 06:36 PM

Greeting's Avalonian's,

All information will not radiate nor resinate, within each of us> in the same ways and at the same time. Saying that, I use a very simple rule, when judging the words coming from human mouths; The truth is neither here nor there, it is usually in the middle. Each of us, whether intending too> or not, speaks with both truth (with some exaggeration) and falseness (with sometimes intended decit). More often, truth resinates best, from what sounds logical> within ones own mine.

No Hunan Being here on this prison planet (whether fool or prophet), holds all the answers, to what is truth. It is up too each> to find their own way out!
giovonni

Mypos · 12-07-2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giovonni

Greeting's Avalonian's,

All information will not radiate nor resinate, within each of us> in the same ways and at the same time. Saying that, I use a very simple rule, when judging the words coming from human mouths; The truth is neither here nor there, it is usually in the middle. Each of us, whether intending too> or not, speaks with both truth (with some exaggeration) and falseness (with sometimes intended decit). More often, truth resinates best, from what sounds logical> within ones own mine.

No Hunan Being here on this prison planet (whether fool or prophet), holds all the answers, to what is truth. It is up too each> to find their own way out!
giovonni

The term Prison Planet is arguable. Me personally, I dont feel a prisoner. I dont have a job, dont have debts, dont own much. So i am free to go where I want when I want. And in my heart I most certainly dont feel like a prisoner. When I look at the beautiful things of life and in the world, I can enjoy it and it makes me feel good.

giovonni · 12-07-2008, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mypos

The term Prison Planet is arguable. Me personally, I dont feel a prisoner. I dont have a job, dont have debts, dont own much. So i am free to go where I want when I want. And in my heart I most certainly dont feel like a prisoner. When I look at the beautiful things of life and in the world, I can enjoy it and it makes me feel good.

I might argue with your impression "i am free to go where I want when I want." gio

recallone · 12-07-2008, 11:41 PM

Don't think we're living within a framework?
Check out the documentary entitled Century of the Self. I just watched this the other day (it actually took me two nights), but I was very impressed. I think it will help validate a lot of this from a scientific perspective (for those of you in need of that for validation).

Century of the Self (Part One)
Century of the Self (Part Two)
Century of the Self (Part Three)
Century of the Self (Part Four)

Gnosis5 · 12-08-2008, 02:23 AM

Just to add one niggling point: it is not TRUTH, but "truths", as we don't know if there is any absolute truth. Truth overall is an onion of layers of truths, so that's why it always seems to change -- or improve.

gnosis

Quote:

Originally Posted by giovonni

Greeting's Avalonian's,

All information will not radiate nor resinate, within each of us> in the same ways and at the same time. Saying that, I use a very simple rule, when judging the words coming from human mouths; The truth is neither here nor there, it is usually in the middle. Each of us, whether intending too> or not, speaks with both truth (with some exaggeration) and falseness (with sometimes intended decit). More often, truth resinates best, from what sounds logical> within ones own mine.

No Hunan Being here on this prison planet (whether fool or prophet), holds all the answers, to what is truth. It is up too each> to find their own way out!
giovonni

giovonni · 12-08-2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Just to add one niggling point: it is not TRUTH, but "truths", as we don't know if there is any absolute truth. Truth overall is an onion of layers of truths, so that's why it always seems to change -- or improve.

gnosis

truth is a an onion? Oh thats great-you had to go and mess my mind up! Just when I> thought I knew it allllllllll! Truth is an onion or layers of an onion with an s! Got it!gio

No Hunan Being here on this prison planet (whether fool or prophet), holds all the answers, to what is truth. It is up too each> to find their own way out> except for Gnosis5, of course!

Cyberbird · 12-08-2008, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

cyberbird, I did not say that I WOULD kiss his feet, but that I would be tempted to do so...where as the other said he WOULD slap him upside the head...big difference.

James has brighten my path...and for this I am extremely grateful, I am sure that it has been a mostly thank less service that he does, countless hours, translating materials, composing music and poetry, painting and creating websites...what would drive a man to contribute so much, if it were not Unconditional love for his fellow man?

while you may just ignore him, and stumble along the path in darkness alone, I respect your choice, yet, I am honored to walk along side James, who recognizes the road signs, and who flow fluidly around the obstacles, and who treats me like an equal.

My journey with the Wingmakers, has been the most IN-lighten-ing experience of all my life times...and I enjoy the pleasure of his entire company.

With no disrespect at all and only with good intentions toward whoever write this: You could find some interesting truth about yourself in this very post.
I did.

-All types of knowledge ultimately means self-knowledge.
Bruce Lee

ENdJOY · 12-08-2008, 04:34 AM

no disrespect intended when I say, perhaps you are just now recognizing yourself in a mirror

Old kabalistic saying, The faults you find in others are your own.

Old Christian saying, Judge Not.

PS, I find your posts just as revealing

UncleJohn · 12-08-2008, 04:46 AM

Uncle John here: I've posted about openness and truth. Two traits which I value very highly.

Let me add another which goes hand in hand with openness, and that is availability.

I'm available for anyone who wants to discuss my knowledge, understanding and ideas in a civil manner. I have been for a long time. I've left many arenas, but I've never had anyone say to me that I closed the door on them when they acted with civility. This is really what I mean by openness. Even if anyone wants to discuss things with me face to face, I pray I will not back away. I will not hide behind an ivory tower, secrecy, being too busy or not having enough time. I've worked hard in my life to have enough time.

I draw my inspiration from the Bodhisatva ideal in Mahayana Buddhism. From the Heart of Great Compassion Dharani Sutra: "Should any being recite and cleave to the sacred Dharani of Great Compassion and yet not be reborn in my Buddhaland, I vow not to enter Supreme Enlightenment."

This was also echoed in my favorite song, "Uncle John's Band:"

"Anybody's choice
I can hear your voice"

I know that the only absolute truth in the universe is found in Mathematics.

What I mean by truth is I try to not say things are a certain way unless I'm convinced that that is the way that they are and I'm open to discuss this truth with others. Inherent in my concept of truth is responsibility. The responsibility of correcting and apologizing when I've spoken something that later turns out to not to be true at the high level I try to maintain it.

James has not reached out for my level of openness and truth. One can bliss out on James presentations and I'm happy for you, but that is not going to change what I'm posting about. Not one bit!

Let me end with a poem by Soyen Shaku, the person who brought Buddhism to the west in 1893 at the World Parliament of Religions held in Chicago.

"One hut built on the whole universe.
From there I can see mountains, rivers and good earth
As my own garden.
Once I was annoyed with human language
Of good and bad, liking and disliking.
I can hear those voices from here, like the music of Paradise"

giovonni · 12-08-2008, 06:09 AM

Greeting's UncleJohn,
I believe, you gave it a good spin. I suspect many here on this forum, are at many different stages and levels, in this incarnation. Too find and bring cohesivness on this material, well, you know, would be like a miracle! I wonder, if any human being's perspective could? My best to you, gio

12-06-2008, 02:35 AM	#1
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	James of Wingmakers interview Uncle John here: Well, well, well, you can never tell. Project Camelot publishes a written interview of James of Wingmakers fame. http://www.projectcamelot.org/james_..._integral.html You know that I can't let this stand without a review. If James were standing in front of me he would experience a good slap upside the face. This is going to take awhile and it is going to be fun. "The reason for the Human Mind System to exist is for the Elite to exercise control over the Money-Power Grid." This is total B.S. The Human Mind System exists for the benefit of God. The Money-Power Grid exists for the benefit of the devil. Only love can fill. P.S. After this forum goes to a subscription base, I'm out of here. I'm not hard to find and I will finish this review elsewhere. Last edited by UncleJohn; 12-06-2008 at 02:42 AM.

12-06-2008, 03:31 AM	#3
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Uncle John here: I admit that they are great questions. Way to go Project Camelot.

12-06-2008, 04:00 AM	#4
ENdJOY Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 129	Re: James of Wingmakers interview "Before you, the reader, continue on, let me warn you that this is a sobering and direct analysis of the suppression framework and I would advise everyone who reads this to remain neutral as they examine my answers. If you find the information feeling too “heavy” or evoking fear, set it aside or return to it later. This story is not for everyone. Some will feel threatened by it and react with a sense of alarm, and others will feel like someone pulled the rug from underneath them. If you feel any of this, you may not be prepared to confront these realities." James

12-06-2008, 04:14 AM	#5
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Uncle John here: I agree with the following: "this is a sobering and direct analysis of the suppression framework" I've been talking about mind control (yet another phrase for the suppression framework) for a long while. I don't agree with James's conclusions. Another thing. I willing to publicly in good taste to discuss my opinions about this and James hides behind a framework that this one surmises is ET based. I recognize their fear of the light. The light of exposure. The light of disclosure. The light of truth or at least my(our) best attempt at it. Last edited by UncleJohn; 12-06-2008 at 04:16 AM.

12-06-2008, 05:10 AM	#6
ENdJOY Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 129	Re: James of Wingmakers interview When James launched the WMs website, now ten years ago, he included a section called Interviews, that laid out in detail, exactaly what we are experiencing now. The economic collapse, conspiracies, illuminati, incunebua,ACIO, etc etc etc, and he has been spot on, revealing plans that were fifty years in the making... I believe his disclosure led to many others coming forward and that he has the ability to change the way we look at our world with this interview. Just when it felt as if the lights were about to go out, he holds up this torch to brighten our path...there are no words for the gratitude I am feeling now, for the information he has revealed.

12-06-2008, 03:49 PM	#8
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Uncle John here: The following statement from James differs from most all testimony of government and non government sources. The question is why? "The beings that exist in the manifested, three-dimensional universe are human and only human." For now, I'll just leave my comments at that. Sorry Kerry, I would have loved to discuss this further with you and additionally James, but I doubt that either is going to happen. IMO, it was not you which was the reason the Wingmakers material was not cast into a movie, it was the material itself which prevented this. I hope that this makes you feel better about yourself. I do feel that you and Bill have made a very valuable contribution with Project Camelot and I look forward to your future interviews. Transparency without openness is not transparency at all. Secrecy and transparency don't go together at all. Last edited by UncleJohn; 12-06-2008 at 03:51 PM.

12-07-2008, 01:24 AM	#10
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Yah, likewise, Cyberbird. Plus I think I would thank him for the neat artwork and poetry and music and thank him for validating some of the discoveries I've made on my path. As long as I continue on my path I will find out for myself what is true.

12-07-2008, 08:14 AM	#11
ENdJOY Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 129	Re: James of Wingmakers interview cyberbird, I did not say that I WOULD kiss his feet, but that I would be tempted to do so...where as the other said he WOULD slap him upside the head...big difference. James has brighten my path...and for this I am extremely grateful, I am sure that it has been a mostly thank less service that he does, countless hours, translating materials, composing music and poetry, painting and creating websites...what would drive a man to contribute so much, if it were not Unconditional love for his fellow man? while you may just ignore him, and stumble along the path in darkness alone, I respect your choice, yet, I am honored to walk along side James, who recognizes the road signs, and who flow fluidly around the obstacles, and who treats me like an equal. My journey with the Wingmakers, has been the most IN-lighten-ing experience of all my life times...and I enjoy the pleasure of his entire company.

12-07-2008, 01:43 PM	#13
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: James of Wingmakers interview i do NOT see any place james says we must worship him ??? or, anyone else for that matter to pay attention to "self" the biggest trouble, for anyone who has anything significant to say, is that, the only thing, that is ugly associated with it, is the opinions of someone else let me give you a few examples, i have seen: 1) the comment - they are crazy -- of course, this is NEVER backed up with any proof, and, oft times, the person slinging that arrow, has no creditdentials to make such an assumption, in the first place - which makes for an untruthful assessment of the real facts 2) the work, it can NOT be original so, they copied from someone else (however, they can NEVER prove that) 3) it is always quite apparent that the other person tossing the ill words, they hold a "green card" of "envy" - which is a hard dragon to slay anyone who steps out to do anything significant in their lifetime, if they knew, they were going to do that, they would likely wish, they had thought ahead, and, taken steps, to guard, their privacy, and, since, you do NOT need to prove anything but your truth, the fact, you do NOT reveal who you are is a mute point

12-07-2008, 02:32 PM	#14
EarthBowl Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 66	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Hi Uncle John, Yes, we do not need Gurus now. I think that was said by james in this interview also. We as humanity are in a different place than when Jesus, Budda were here. THAT may be a main reason James stays in the shadows doing his work quietly. We are to grow up and take responsibility for learning who we are. First Point= oneness, unity, truth. My understanding of the WMM - the purpose is discovery of who we really are/ the Grand Portal. (ALSO- look at our culture - we make celebrities out of people- it would happen to Jamers- and just be another way to distract us from our own responsibility. PS I am not saying you but many would be distracted). Yes, there is something compelling about james... it may be his Sovereign Integral that we find so attract- ive. It may be that we recognize the truth and are drawn to it. Our human instrument tries to distract us because it is afraid it may dissolve in the presence of the SI. I dont know the answers for others. I take what feels right to me now. and try to be open to know truth.

12-07-2008, 05:19 PM	#15
Mypos Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3	Re: James of Wingmakers interview James interview is certainly interesting to read. But I there is something I have learned lately is nobody has the answers. Nobody knows for sure what is coming or how we as humans are and which path we are to follow. That being said I have difficulty some of the things he says. Like he is saying in 2012 nothing will happen. And other things like the human soul is inprisoned. How would he know that kinds of things to be true? There are many other people who say different things. And alot of people who say there are things going to happen in 2012.

12-07-2008, 06:36 PM	#16
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Greeting's Avalonian's, All information will not radiate nor resinate, within each of us> in the same ways and at the same time. Saying that, I use a very simple rule, when judging the words coming from human mouths; The truth is neither here nor there, it is usually in the middle. Each of us, whether intending too> or not, speaks with both truth (with some exaggeration) and falseness (with sometimes intended decit). More often, truth resinates best, from what sounds logical> within ones own mine. No Hunan Being here on this prison planet (whether fool or prophet), holds all the answers, to what is truth. It is up too each> to find their own way out! giovonni

12-07-2008, 11:41 PM	#19
recallone Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 289	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Don't think we're living within a framework? Check out the documentary entitled Century of the Self. I just watched this the other day (it actually took me two nights), but I was very impressed. I think it will help validate a lot of this from a scientific perspective (for those of you in need of that for validation). Century of the Self (Part One) Century of the Self (Part Two) Century of the Self (Part Three) Century of the Self (Part Four)

12-08-2008, 04:34 AM	#23
ENdJOY Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 129	Re: James of Wingmakers interview no disrespect intended when I say, perhaps you are just now recognizing yourself in a mirror Old kabalistic saying, The faults you find in others are your own. Old Christian saying, Judge Not. PS, I find your posts just as revealing

12-08-2008, 04:46 AM	#24
UncleJohn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Los Altos California Posts: 112	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Uncle John here: I've posted about openness and truth. Two traits which I value very highly. Let me add another which goes hand in hand with openness, and that is availability. I'm available for anyone who wants to discuss my knowledge, understanding and ideas in a civil manner. I have been for a long time. I've left many arenas, but I've never had anyone say to me that I closed the door on them when they acted with civility. This is really what I mean by openness. Even if anyone wants to discuss things with me face to face, I pray I will not back away. I will not hide behind an ivory tower, secrecy, being too busy or not having enough time. I've worked hard in my life to have enough time. I draw my inspiration from the Bodhisatva ideal in Mahayana Buddhism. From the Heart of Great Compassion Dharani Sutra: "Should any being recite and cleave to the sacred Dharani of Great Compassion and yet not be reborn in my Buddhaland, I vow not to enter Supreme Enlightenment." This was also echoed in my favorite song, "Uncle John's Band:" "Anybody's choice I can hear your voice" I know that the only absolute truth in the universe is found in Mathematics. What I mean by truth is I try to not say things are a certain way unless I'm convinced that that is the way that they are and I'm open to discuss this truth with others. Inherent in my concept of truth is responsibility. The responsibility of correcting and apologizing when I've spoken something that later turns out to not to be true at the high level I try to maintain it. James has not reached out for my level of openness and truth. One can bliss out on James presentations and I'm happy for you, but that is not going to change what I'm posting about. Not one bit! Let me end with a poem by Soyen Shaku, the person who brought Buddhism to the west in 1893 at the World Parliament of Religions held in Chicago. "One hut built on the whole universe. From there I can see mountains, rivers and good earth As my own garden. Once I was annoyed with human language Of good and bad, liking and disliking. I can hear those voices from here, like the music of Paradise"

12-08-2008, 06:09 AM	#25
giovonni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: within my heart Posts: 1,209	Re: James of Wingmakers interview Greeting's UncleJohn, I believe, you gave it a good spin. I suspect many here on this forum, are at many different stages and levels, in this incarnation. Too find and bring cohesivness on this material, well, you know, would be like a miracle! I wonder, if any human being's perspective could? My best to you, gio