Steven Greer Interview Discussion - Page 7

Phtha · 08-10-2009, 08:18 PM

I don't think this was poster here yet.
12 minute press conference briefing by Greer in Barcelona:

micjer · 08-10-2009, 08:23 PM

It reminds me of Bill Clinton...."I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

There are no hostile ET's. Please define hostile. Sure there is no open display of weapons, but.....

Unified Serenity · 08-10-2009, 09:47 PM

I bring up this aspect of demons / entities to give an alternative explanation to what Dr. Greer has said regarding "Demons don't need UFO's to travel around in" along with the Annunaki information.

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

If he does not accept a concept of God and demons then he won't really give credence to any biblical text. If he does not accept the Sumerian text regarding the Annunaki or the Mayans sky gods, then he won't listen to a negative ET idea either. I am pretty sure based on some of his interactions that he does give room for some negative entities who are not alien, but maybe stay in an astral realm unless they are brought out by some technology into the 3d realm.

The bible clearly says that God visited Ezekiel on earth by coming in a UFO. If God used a UFO then why wouldn't his / her children? The bible says they gave us secrets and there were offspring between human women and these male gods (fallen children) called Nephilim who were giants. They stood some 12 tro 15 feet tall, and Goliath was a descendant of them along with his 4 brothers.

There is archeological evidence of these giants. They had secret knowledge of the sciences including stars, medicine, music, fire, writing, government. The book of Enoch also speaks of these fallen ones and the hierarchy amongst them and that is where high magick of the Babylonians, Kaballah, and Masons comes from. The illuminati are said to serve these gods whose ultimate leader is Satan whom Ezekiel tells us is Lucifer one of the two morning stars. He was the most beautiful of all of God/dess' creation, perfect until pride was found in him. Then he fell and took a third of the children of God/dess with him, and has planned to overthrow God/dess realm since that time, and earth falls into that realm.

Corinthians tells us that Satan comes as an Angel (messenger) of light as a shining one. The original Chaldea for "snake" in Genesis is Nachash (Na Kash) and the accent used above that word in the manuscript is not translated snake but "shining one". Now, could it be that a shining one who is perfect in intelligence, cunning in speech, master manipulator able to cause a coup de tat in "heaven" might appear as a nice ET? I mean if I am an evil person and I want to destroy or take over an enemies land and use them, is it not better to have them run to me as a "friend" than see me as some evil dictator?

I am just throwing this out here to add something to the "all ET's are positive" with the idea that we may be involved in the highest sting operation of all time. What if this drama has been playing out for 20 or 30 thousand years, and we are finally in the final act of the play? There are many who report to having direct contact with higher density illuminated beings who warn us that we agreed to this 3d experience to grow and become creators within the Universe. That we could not understand the experience in our prior higher density state so we agreed to come to this being, Jehovah's, little realm, and in so doing lost much of our knowledge, but once we got here this Jehovah liked the game. This Jehovah has conned us through religion for eons and wiped our memories for the most part until in this final act we are waking up to who we truly are.

That in reality we are of a higher density than this 'Jehovah' and it is time to end the game and take what we have learned, but there is a possible trap for those not awake, and that if they follow these shining ones/ Annunaki, elohim/ gods we will find ourselves hitting 'restart' and have to go through another 20 or 30 thousand years to have a chance to get out of it. That earth is coming into a phase in the solar system that happens once every some 200 thousand years! That that is why we are in the final act, and there is so much activity and disinformation.

Have we been provided clues even in the bible and ancient texts? Have some come to us of truly higher density mind to show the way, and have warned us of this plan? Yes, we are positive loving beings, and the universe is full of them, but is there a place in our current experience of a Jehovah's realm and we are in the highest stakes poker game ever imagined?

I agree with Bill and Kerry, remain positive, but do not assume anything for nothing is proven one way or the other. For me, it is up to each of us to be vigilant and not put people in a false sense of security or a state of fear. Be awake, watch, prepare by raising our energy levels and walk in Divine oneness within the highest energy state possible. If we do this then we will not fall into the terrible paradigm that Dr. Greer seems to focus on and that is the us vs. them one that leads to more warfare and no enlightenment.

TraineeHuman · 08-11-2009, 01:01 AM

Unified Serenity, my apologies if this is offensive to your beliefs, but do you know that JHWH (Jahweh / Jehovah) was apparently known as Satan or Satanael by the Sumerians and indeed in all surrounding countries? Even the ancient Jews / Israelites often used the name Seth as an alternative to JHWH.

Unified Serenity · 08-11-2009, 02:03 AM

You do not offend me. I know this and think it is true, it does not mean there is not truth in the bible. The God of the NT is not the God of the OT. If they were the same then God seems schizo.

I think stories can be convoluted, and It is quite possible that the fall is dealing with a higher fall into which this system was taken over by Jehovah who worked this deal for a 3d experience with us.

I am just putting some thoughts out there to see some alternatives. I am open to hear what you think. As far as my beliefs go, I am a mystic and believe in ultimate Divine oneness with all even negative polarities. We are all on a path of growth, and I am pretty sure I have not always been an STO being, though in this life I pretty much have been from my earliest memories.

Oh, don't get me wrong, my biggest dilemma is still my ego. But over the last 10 years I feel as though it has been a time of great learning and an ability to enjoy the journey and admit when I don't know, am wrong, and focus on walking in unity whenever possible. My latest lesson has been really love those who don't love or like me. I actually appreciate when I encounter someone like that and can exercise loving them in spite of how they treat me. I am learning it in grace so as to not be a doormat. It's a wonderful experience.

Thanks again, and thank you for your tenderness in the reply you did give.

tone3jaguar · 08-11-2009, 03:50 AM

He said he was raised athiest, he did not say he still is one.

Unified Serenity · 08-11-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

He said he was raised athiest, he did not say he still is one.

I do believe the following are what my ignorant mind calls questions:

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

If he does not accept a concept of God and demons then he won't really give credence to any biblical text. If he does not accept the Sumerian text regarding the Annunaki or the Mayans sky gods, then he won't listen to a negative ET idea either.

I also though may ignorantly believe that beginning a statement with "If" means something that might be, not a definitive statement. Please inform me if I am as ignorant as you seem to think I am, and if so, please elucidate upon such knowledge so as I might become as wise and kind as you Tone3jaguar. I appreciate any help you may offer in this area.

14 Chakras · 08-11-2009, 04:42 AM

Remaining off topic on the Jehovah stuff.

Consider Jehovah represents the God in the sky, the God that is outside of you. The God that judges your actions and rewards or punishes you based on whether you follow the rules and worship it in the right ways.

Consider the God outside of us is an illusion and one of it's names is Jehovah.

Karen · 08-11-2009, 05:26 AM

Greer ended his talk with God bless you.
If that means anything.

And please let's not get sarcastic with each other.
I just hum a higher frequency when I want to make a snarky reply and can almost always overcome the temptation.

Please,
Karen

Unified Serenity · 08-11-2009, 05:40 AM

Thanks Karen.

I apologize for being terse.

Antonia · 08-11-2009, 12:23 PM

I only came upon this thread last night and after watching Bill Kerry Steven in Barcelona and then Steven on his own and reading every ones comments I have to agree with Unified Serenity every were she speaks...

I have some further thoughts though... Was BIll and Hilary...The head of the CIA, pretending they didn't know??? Just to keep Steven greer sweet and then get off the hook, when every one gets mighty ****** at being lied to, when this whole thing goes public and blows??? I don't know maybe Bill was supprised to find out but, isn't Hilary a Rodham? According to some info (I don't know how accurate) The Rodhams are a big Luciferian family?

There is much info around about the majority of Nordics being pretend goodguys.... The Ashter Command and the Galactic federation being a false (Angelic) ascended master scam including Senanda on board the Capricorn etc.. and that the Ashtars being on the side of the more self serving Annunaki and the whole Anu plan to keep to harvest our souls in to their own paradigm matrix or keep us trapped in there lower dimentional universe?
They are ment to be very adept at creating feelings of love and rapture through their mind controlle technolagy?

Could Steven be fooled by these guys, in believing they are off the highest intent?
Maybe by now, after all this time they are? They have really fallen in love with their stolen creation ? Us and they want to keep us?
All the Sheldin Needle stuff with the Galactic federation seems very wise and of high intent... but then you have the Paladians warning us away from the Gallactic federation and then you have the Federation of light saying they are not the Gallactic federation and every body saying the other has an agenda...
In the question of good or bad, I think Steven is right...It's far more complecated ,every one , even us Earth humans, has an agenda that is in our own best interest and you only have to look at the humans on this planet. How many different philosaphy's religions, history's ideals, goals are there?
Each faction believes they are right.
I'd imagine a hundred trillion gallaxied universe would be a b...dy nightmare in the sense.
I would imagine there are many factions who are here and more or less on the path of "let humanity on Earth develope naturally but with our phillosaphy"

As for Reptillians... Why would we assume that all reptillians are bad? All humans aren't bad, although there are some very muderous , greedy, self serving and sadistic human factions on this planet.

Many channels claim there was a negitive faction of reptillians who caused an uprising in the Orion sector millions of years ago, resulting in the Orion wars which this planets occupation became a small part of. These negitive Reptillians, joined forces with a renigade faction of Nordics and they were the Sumerian Annunaki Gods.
(There are supposedly many beautiful light working reptillians who are amaizing Christed beings... Ra was supposedly one.)

There is supposed to peace in this sector of the Galaxy now, with Reptillians, humans, what ever else, working together but the rebels are still out there! And the Illumanati, still clinging to thier out dated controlle paradigm.

This could all be a load of tosh but many differnt channels tell the same story.

As for God in the bible... The old testiment is based on the Torah, there is 18 different words for God, which means that were GOd is mentioned it could be one of many people.. From Elohim (which in hebrew is female and plural) to Yaweh (Who many biblical historians equate with both Enlil and Anu, were Enki beacme Lucifer.... The torah was writen by the followers of Enlil, based on Sumerian legends... ie Eden Adam and Eve, Noah etc, so after the big family fued in the Anu camp the fact that Enki/Lucifer was villified makes sense... None of these character's in the Old testiment are GOD, big God, the creator of all things, they are Warlords Annunaki, who messed with us to create workers, but then felt deep responsibility to keep us on the right path and so created riligious dogma to frighten us in to towing the line... It must have been quite a frighting experiance to more or less create a race phiscally and then watch that race go awol and start killing plundering and raping and behaving like total thugs.... off course they stepped in and said if you do that, you'll go to a big bad place called hell when you die!! Here's my commandments to live by... on the punishment of death other wise these young un eveoleved humans would have told them where to go... and there would have been hell on Earth. Also remember this came in after the Atlantians had all but destroid the planet and them selves with techolagy so I would imagine these Anunaki would have been a bit scared of letting their new human race have acces to technolagy... This fear has lasted up untill today. Look at all these secret Balck opps programes? They still believ they know whats best for us and we can't be trusted with technolagy.
A bit like the USA trying to police Iran, and being very sactimonious about Atomic weapons in the "Wrong hands", and refusing to look at the fact that the only nation in the world who has ever used the darn things on another nation is the USA?
That type of mentality.

Back to the bible,The word in ancient Aromaic for worship, actually means work for....

The whole bible is about Aliens... Look at the angels... in the bible they are flesh and blood, always blond, and walk accross fields and sit down to dinner, in Sodom and GOmroah the angels even managed to be gang raped... they were pretty pised off... they nuked the place...

Any way I went of on a bit of a rant there but in the end I don't know whether Steven is telling the truth, has been conned or what the new alain agenda or agenda's are for this planet right now...

I'm not excusing the Annunaki here but I'm understaning were they were comming from in their controle through religious fear tactics...

I guess very few people or aliens are there cackeling away going "I am so eveil and bad ... lke MIng the merciless, every one believes in what they are doing... Some are very empathetic some beleive you have to be cruel to be kind and some believe in the preservation of their kind before any thing else

Maybe we Earth humans have indeed as Steven says... a chance to unite for real and show the universe that yes even with all this inerfeance, race mixture, dogma diference and influence from negitive and positive interdimentional enetities, that we can become one and Earth can become a shinning example of agains all the odds... There is no seperation... If we can do it... any one can do it! I like to think that that's the path..

Jnana · 08-11-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

As for A, Dr. Greer had a near death experience at age 17 and has been on a spiritual path ever since. Dr. Greer's "Hidden Truth" book is in part an autobiography and he discusses his life experiences at some length. He also mentions bits and pieces in various talks available online. I think one of the most important thing to note is that Greer refers to advanced ET civilizations as "god-consciousness" civilizations, where every member is in constant contact with the divine. In his opinion, that is our destiny as well. What is often missing in the good ET/bad ET debate is a recognition of the divine aspects of the universe and how they interact with the physical aspects. Is there a divine plan guiding the evolution of civilizations?

As for B, I do not recall ever hearing Greer mentioning the Annunaki. I would not take this as evidence that he is unaware of such things.

It really isn't necessary to speculate on Greer's opinion on most matters. He hasn't been shy about publishing what he thinks in books, videos, and his radio shows. I would rather not provide my interpretation at length because he does a better job of this himself.

Unified Serenity · 08-11-2009, 01:37 PM

Thanks Jnana for your input. I have not read his books though I would like to. I like Dr. Greer and can see his points and why he may take the stand he has taken. Now with regards to disclosure, I liked 777's comment that when we go to court we have discovery whereas disclosure is about deciding how much to tell us.

I would be much happier if these technologies would simply be laid out in the open at a conference, pictures displayed of the various Aliens, and let's just get it over with in regard to PROOF of what is what.

So far it seems we have to take various people's word for whatever agenda there is. The problem is many believe very strongly what they say and may be a mind control victim. I may be a mind control victim and not know it, though I don't have huge segments of time missing. I lost some 4 hours once during spiritual warfare and it felt like only a few minutes. But, would I say I was abducted? No, and I have zero recall of any abduction, but I have a LOT of recall of astral warfare and years spent in it without seeking it openly. Most people wake up before they die in a dream, not me. I have been shot, drowned, and just the other night I was some Asian male with my leg severed and I felt my life draining from me in a most real way. I was not happy about it.

My partner is out of town and my sleep cycle is not as good as normal and I have been avoiding sleep this past week because every time I do go to sleep I have been very active in astral and there seems to be a lot of stress there right now. Is that just reflecting my own stress and my dealing with it in sleep? Maybe, but some dreams are much to technicolor and feel like the older astral warfare type.

I am not afraid of ET's, and I really only care about dying because of my love and responsibility to my children. I am in heavy research mode at this time, and that may also be affecting my subconscious. Greer seems to be in that place of personal experience of knowing what he knows much as I am when it comes to ghosts and demons.

Until someone experiences them first hand it is a bit hard to accept. I know what I have experienced, and it seems Greer knows what he has and hence his somewhat condescending attitude in regard to when Bill and Kerry express dismay of his taking the "all ET"s are good" attitude.

tone3jaguar · 08-11-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonia

I have some further thoughts though... Was BIll and Hilary...The head of the CIA, pretending they didn't know??? Just to keep Steven greer sweet and then get off the hook, when every one gets mighty ****** at being lied to, when this whole thing goes public and blows??? I don't know maybe Bill was supprised to find out but, isn't Hilary a Rodham? According to some info (I don't know how accurate) The Rodhams are a big Luciferian family?

The Illuminati are not the ones in control of the super black technologies. The NWO and the Illuminati are now separate entities. They work together in some aspects like in the Federal Reserve. However, they have been at odds with each other for some time because they have similar but different philosophies on how the world should be run. So yes, the Rodham family are part of the Rothschilds and friends network of inbred lunatics. However, they only have access to the super black magic, not the super black technologies. She probably knows that it would be like starting a gang like war between the two sides if the super black tech crowd was exposed by the super black magic crowd. The retaliation would be the exposure of the power elites from the illuminati side and how they do what they do. She probably did not want to risk this because she was not authorized to. This type of move would have to be authorized by the top of the pyramid before one of the layers of the pyramid could follow through with it.

franciejones · 08-11-2009, 05:52 PM

I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

Sarahmay · 08-11-2009, 06:03 PM

After viewing the Camelot interview, I have to say this was a huge missed opportunity. Greer had some interesting things to say, but spent most of the time defending his position...which we didn't even clearly get to hear. Very unprofessional...and not at all helpful.

Myplanet2 · 08-11-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by franciejones

I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

Oh, come on Francie....what do you really think.

franciejones · 08-11-2009, 06:52 PM

hehehe MyPlanet2.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 08-11-2009, 07:32 PM

im liking the then bill kerry interveiw.. sets the record straight.. i do however think that it was a bit wild for 1st timers to observe what they thought was an interveiw.. the easy thing to stop all this hoo haa would have been to call the video .. camelots debates greer.. easy peezy

Tango · 08-11-2009, 08:34 PM

But, Francie don't you feel good that you were Part of a Whole in helping
in paying off her credit cards; helped her move from Sedona, AZ, Back to
LA La land Cali-for-nia, so she can work on the 'Valley Girl' thang; provided help in her going oversea's; so she could climb up on that stage ' Dragging poor art by the hand ' in front of stund, Bob Dean...

Question: Does that make us enablers...?

And that Rayedio show we pay for is the Bomb... [Rephrase; A Bomb.]

Here look at it like this: Each 1.00 bill is worth abt .08 each... It'll make
you feel better...

I do understand tho; I recovered yesterday... I had to walk it offf...

I also watched a Movie... Money Train [Chuckle]... Na, I lied abt the movie.
I really watched " Valley Girls." it made it alll understandable [Chuckle]...

Trooly,

Tango

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Originally Posted by franciejones

I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

Lightpotential · 08-11-2009, 08:40 PM

Dear Group,

My view of the Dr. Greer interview is that overall it was indeed a bad interview. It has to be said that in the time leading up to the interview Kerry had posted some very negative remarks of Dr. Greer i.e. the “dangerous and insidious” comments on the Project Camelot home page. The other point is that it became clear – forcefully so as the interview progressed – that Kerry and Bill seemed intent upon ‘nailing’ Greer upon the issue of his expressed view that there were no ‘bad aliens’.

I think basically, it all boils down to the fact that Greer has a somewhat different perspective than Kerry and Bill, and that this is down to the type of witnesses that they have each interviewed and the contacts that they have made over the years. I would thus say that Greer’s view that there are no ‘bad aliens’ is a very carefully constructed THEORY based upon the evidence as he sees it. But that Kerry and Bill both, to my mind, hold to the view of the existence of ‘bad aliens’ due to their personal BELIEF in the truth of the testimony of certain of their most prominent witnesses. And here I would offer up the names of Henry Deacon and Dan Burisch.

Ravens and Doves · 08-11-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen

Greer ended his talk with God bless you.
If that means anything.

And please let's not get sarcastic with each other.
I just hum a higher frequency when I want to make a snarky reply and can almost always overcome the temptation.

Please,
Karen

Thanks you pointing that out. We all love Bill and Kerry and I think a lot of got a little carried away in defending every stitch they sowed in the interview.

We all have to be bigger than the "us vs. them" mindset. That's what the NWO and military are looking to recruit: young minds raised on si fi zap-the-aliens-out-of-the-the-sky with a joy stick kind of gung-ho.

There sre a FEW rouge interdimensional greys and others that are in contact with the government, but in the bigger picture, there is more good than bad.

Interesting times we live, yes?

Paul

Hiram · 08-11-2009, 09:59 PM

Interesting how people on here are enganging in the same debate B&K were engaging Dr. Greer with.

Each person is responsible for their own perceptions, and the way they approach those beings who inhabit their local Multi-verse. It is a wholly unique and personal experience. You are not here to convince others of your truth.

The debate is a bit trite really, and each of us will have a different take on this subject.

I also discourage some of the members here from "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when is comes to Project Camelot. When you put people up on a pedastel you are bound to be dissappointed by them from time to time. Its inevitable. Lesson: Remember we are all human...with all due respect to those of you who are not

THERE IS STILL MUCH TO BE GLEANED FROM BEING HERE, AND OUR CONNECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY. Don't let one bad interview spoil that for you. I.e. Please don't blow this out of proportion with the intention of splitting the members.

It's not a mature and objective way to approach this situation, and in truth, its an old Cointelpro "trick". Divide and conquer.

Luminari · 08-12-2009, 12:14 AM

Disclosure project issued this to PC..

Showing humilty and maturity as always.

Now will we see a PC issued apology for their behaviour?

Unlikely, as they are commited to have us all dwell in paranoia, and Steven Greer and also James Gilliland's (ask why they never released their interview with him) enlightened view of multi-dimensional and star visitors is unacceptable to their dualistic paradigm.

My 2 cents.

Luminari · 08-12-2009, 12:21 AM

Steven Greer for President 2012!!

Who better to manage societal concern in a post-disclosure world than the guy who has helped us more than any other.

08-10-2009, 08:18 PM	#151
Phtha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 947	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I don't think this was poster here yet. 12 minute press conference briefing by Greer in Barcelona:

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micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion It reminds me of Bill Clinton...."I did not have sexual relations with that woman" There are no hostile ET's. Please define hostile. Sure there is no open display of weapons, but.....

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Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I bring up this aspect of demons / entities to give an alternative explanation to what Dr. Greer has said regarding "Demons don't need UFO's to travel around in" along with the Annunaki information. A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)? B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information? If he does not accept a concept of God and demons then he won't really give credence to any biblical text. If he does not accept the Sumerian text regarding the Annunaki or the Mayans sky gods, then he won't listen to a negative ET idea either. I am pretty sure based on some of his interactions that he does give room for some negative entities who are not alien, but maybe stay in an astral realm unless they are brought out by some technology into the 3d realm. The bible clearly says that God visited Ezekiel on earth by coming in a UFO. If God used a UFO then why wouldn't his / her children? The bible says they gave us secrets and there were offspring between human women and these male gods (fallen children) called Nephilim who were giants. They stood some 12 tro 15 feet tall, and Goliath was a descendant of them along with his 4 brothers. There is archeological evidence of these giants. They had secret knowledge of the sciences including stars, medicine, music, fire, writing, government. The book of Enoch also speaks of these fallen ones and the hierarchy amongst them and that is where high magick of the Babylonians, Kaballah, and Masons comes from. The illuminati are said to serve these gods whose ultimate leader is Satan whom Ezekiel tells us is Lucifer one of the two morning stars. He was the most beautiful of all of God/dess' creation, perfect until pride was found in him. Then he fell and took a third of the children of God/dess with him, and has planned to overthrow God/dess realm since that time, and earth falls into that realm. Corinthians tells us that Satan comes as an Angel (messenger) of light as a shining one. The original Chaldea for "snake" in Genesis is Nachash (Na Kash) and the accent used above that word in the manuscript is not translated snake but "shining one". Now, could it be that a shining one who is perfect in intelligence, cunning in speech, master manipulator able to cause a coup de tat in "heaven" might appear as a nice ET? I mean if I am an evil person and I want to destroy or take over an enemies land and use them, is it not better to have them run to me as a "friend" than see me as some evil dictator? I am just throwing this out here to add something to the "all ET's are positive" with the idea that we may be involved in the highest sting operation of all time. What if this drama has been playing out for 20 or 30 thousand years, and we are finally in the final act of the play? There are many who report to having direct contact with higher density illuminated beings who warn us that we agreed to this 3d experience to grow and become creators within the Universe. That we could not understand the experience in our prior higher density state so we agreed to come to this being, Jehovah's, little realm, and in so doing lost much of our knowledge, but once we got here this Jehovah liked the game. This Jehovah has conned us through religion for eons and wiped our memories for the most part until in this final act we are waking up to who we truly are. That in reality we are of a higher density than this 'Jehovah' and it is time to end the game and take what we have learned, but there is a possible trap for those not awake, and that if they follow these shining ones/ Annunaki, elohim/ gods we will find ourselves hitting 'restart' and have to go through another 20 or 30 thousand years to have a chance to get out of it. That earth is coming into a phase in the solar system that happens once every some 200 thousand years! That that is why we are in the final act, and there is so much activity and disinformation. Have we been provided clues even in the bible and ancient texts? Have some come to us of truly higher density mind to show the way, and have warned us of this plan? Yes, we are positive loving beings, and the universe is full of them, but is there a place in our current experience of a Jehovah's realm and we are in the highest stakes poker game ever imagined? I agree with Bill and Kerry, remain positive, but do not assume anything for nothing is proven one way or the other. For me, it is up to each of us to be vigilant and not put people in a false sense of security or a state of fear. Be awake, watch, prepare by raising our energy levels and walk in Divine oneness within the highest energy state possible. If we do this then we will not fall into the terrible paradigm that Dr. Greer seems to focus on and that is the us vs. them one that leads to more warfare and no enlightenment. Last edited by Unified Serenity; 08-11-2009 at 03:58 AM.

08-11-2009, 01:01 AM	#154
TraineeHuman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Unified Serenity, my apologies if this is offensive to your beliefs, but do you know that JHWH (Jahweh / Jehovah) was apparently known as Satan or Satanael by the Sumerians and indeed in all surrounding countries? Even the ancient Jews / Israelites often used the name Seth as an alternative to JHWH.

08-11-2009, 02:03 AM	#155
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion You do not offend me. I know this and think it is true, it does not mean there is not truth in the bible. The God of the NT is not the God of the OT. If they were the same then God seems schizo. I think stories can be convoluted, and It is quite possible that the fall is dealing with a higher fall into which this system was taken over by Jehovah who worked this deal for a 3d experience with us. I am just putting some thoughts out there to see some alternatives. I am open to hear what you think. As far as my beliefs go, I am a mystic and believe in ultimate Divine oneness with all even negative polarities. We are all on a path of growth, and I am pretty sure I have not always been an STO being, though in this life I pretty much have been from my earliest memories. Oh, don't get me wrong, my biggest dilemma is still my ego. But over the last 10 years I feel as though it has been a time of great learning and an ability to enjoy the journey and admit when I don't know, am wrong, and focus on walking in unity whenever possible. My latest lesson has been really love those who don't love or like me. I actually appreciate when I encounter someone like that and can exercise loving them in spite of how they treat me. I am learning it in grace so as to not be a doormat. It's a wonderful experience. Thanks again, and thank you for your tenderness in the reply you did give. Last edited by Unified Serenity; 08-11-2009 at 02:06 AM.

08-11-2009, 03:50 AM	#156
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion He said he was raised athiest, he did not say he still is one.

08-11-2009, 04:42 AM	#158
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Remaining off topic on the Jehovah stuff. Consider Jehovah represents the God in the sky, the God that is outside of you. The God that judges your actions and rewards or punishes you based on whether you follow the rules and worship it in the right ways. Consider the God outside of us is an illusion and one of it's names is Jehovah.

08-11-2009, 05:26 AM	#159
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Greer ended his talk with God bless you. If that means anything. And please let's not get sarcastic with each other. I just hum a higher frequency when I want to make a snarky reply and can almost always overcome the temptation. Please, Karen

08-11-2009, 05:40 AM	#160
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Thanks Karen. I apologize for being terse.

08-11-2009, 12:23 PM	#161
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I only came upon this thread last night and after watching Bill Kerry Steven in Barcelona and then Steven on his own and reading every ones comments I have to agree with Unified Serenity every were she speaks... I have some further thoughts though... Was BIll and Hilary...The head of the CIA, pretending they didn't know??? Just to keep Steven greer sweet and then get off the hook, when every one gets mighty ****** at being lied to, when this whole thing goes public and blows??? I don't know maybe Bill was supprised to find out but, isn't Hilary a Rodham? According to some info (I don't know how accurate) The Rodhams are a big Luciferian family? There is much info around about the majority of Nordics being pretend goodguys.... The Ashter Command and the Galactic federation being a false (Angelic) ascended master scam including Senanda on board the Capricorn etc.. and that the Ashtars being on the side of the more self serving Annunaki and the whole Anu plan to keep to harvest our souls in to their own paradigm matrix or keep us trapped in there lower dimentional universe? They are ment to be very adept at creating feelings of love and rapture through their mind controlle technolagy? Could Steven be fooled by these guys, in believing they are off the highest intent? Maybe by now, after all this time they are? They have really fallen in love with their stolen creation ? Us and they want to keep us? All the Sheldin Needle stuff with the Galactic federation seems very wise and of high intent... but then you have the Paladians warning us away from the Gallactic federation and then you have the Federation of light saying they are not the Gallactic federation and every body saying the other has an agenda... In the question of good or bad, I think Steven is right...It's far more complecated ,every one , even us Earth humans, has an agenda that is in our own best interest and you only have to look at the humans on this planet. How many different philosaphy's religions, history's ideals, goals are there? Each faction believes they are right. I'd imagine a hundred trillion gallaxied universe would be a b...dy nightmare in the sense. I would imagine there are many factions who are here and more or less on the path of "let humanity on Earth develope naturally but with our phillosaphy" As for Reptillians... Why would we assume that all reptillians are bad? All humans aren't bad, although there are some very muderous , greedy, self serving and sadistic human factions on this planet. Many channels claim there was a negitive faction of reptillians who caused an uprising in the Orion sector millions of years ago, resulting in the Orion wars which this planets occupation became a small part of. These negitive Reptillians, joined forces with a renigade faction of Nordics and they were the Sumerian Annunaki Gods. (There are supposedly many beautiful light working reptillians who are amaizing Christed beings... Ra was supposedly one.) There is supposed to peace in this sector of the Galaxy now, with Reptillians, humans, what ever else, working together but the rebels are still out there! And the Illumanati, still clinging to thier out dated controlle paradigm. This could all be a load of tosh but many differnt channels tell the same story. As for God in the bible... The old testiment is based on the Torah, there is 18 different words for God, which means that were GOd is mentioned it could be one of many people.. From Elohim (which in hebrew is female and plural) to Yaweh (Who many biblical historians equate with both Enlil and Anu, were Enki beacme Lucifer.... The torah was writen by the followers of Enlil, based on Sumerian legends... ie Eden Adam and Eve, Noah etc, so after the big family fued in the Anu camp the fact that Enki/Lucifer was villified makes sense... None of these character's in the Old testiment are GOD, big God, the creator of all things, they are Warlords Annunaki, who messed with us to create workers, but then felt deep responsibility to keep us on the right path and so created riligious dogma to frighten us in to towing the line... It must have been quite a frighting experiance to more or less create a race phiscally and then watch that race go awol and start killing plundering and raping and behaving like total thugs.... off course they stepped in and said if you do that, you'll go to a big bad place called hell when you die!! Here's my commandments to live by... on the punishment of death other wise these young un eveoleved humans would have told them where to go... and there would have been hell on Earth. Also remember this came in after the Atlantians had all but destroid the planet and them selves with techolagy so I would imagine these Anunaki would have been a bit scared of letting their new human race have acces to technolagy... This fear has lasted up untill today. Look at all these secret Balck opps programes? They still believ they know whats best for us and we can't be trusted with technolagy. A bit like the USA trying to police Iran, and being very sactimonious about Atomic weapons in the "Wrong hands", and refusing to look at the fact that the only nation in the world who has ever used the darn things on another nation is the USA? That type of mentality. Back to the bible,The word in ancient Aromaic for worship, actually means work for.... The whole bible is about Aliens... Look at the angels... in the bible they are flesh and blood, always blond, and walk accross fields and sit down to dinner, in Sodom and GOmroah the angels even managed to be gang raped... they were pretty pised off... they nuked the place... Any way I went of on a bit of a rant there but in the end I don't know whether Steven is telling the truth, has been conned or what the new alain agenda or agenda's are for this planet right now... I'm not excusing the Annunaki here but I'm understaning were they were comming from in their controle through religious fear tactics... I guess very few people or aliens are there cackeling away going "I am so eveil and bad ... lke MIng the merciless, every one believes in what they are doing... Some are very empathetic some beleive you have to be cruel to be kind and some believe in the preservation of their kind before any thing else Maybe we Earth humans have indeed as Steven says... a chance to unite for real and show the universe that yes even with all this inerfeance, race mixture, dogma diference and influence from negitive and positive interdimentional enetities, that we can become one and Earth can become a shinning example of agains all the odds... There is no seperation... If we can do it... any one can do it! I like to think that that's the path..

08-11-2009, 01:37 PM	#163
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Thanks Jnana for your input. I have not read his books though I would like to. I like Dr. Greer and can see his points and why he may take the stand he has taken. Now with regards to disclosure, I liked 777's comment that when we go to court we have discovery whereas disclosure is about deciding how much to tell us. I would be much happier if these technologies would simply be laid out in the open at a conference, pictures displayed of the various Aliens, and let's just get it over with in regard to PROOF of what is what. So far it seems we have to take various people's word for whatever agenda there is. The problem is many believe very strongly what they say and may be a mind control victim. I may be a mind control victim and not know it, though I don't have huge segments of time missing. I lost some 4 hours once during spiritual warfare and it felt like only a few minutes. But, would I say I was abducted? No, and I have zero recall of any abduction, but I have a LOT of recall of astral warfare and years spent in it without seeking it openly. Most people wake up before they die in a dream, not me. I have been shot, drowned, and just the other night I was some Asian male with my leg severed and I felt my life draining from me in a most real way. I was not happy about it. My partner is out of town and my sleep cycle is not as good as normal and I have been avoiding sleep this past week because every time I do go to sleep I have been very active in astral and there seems to be a lot of stress there right now. Is that just reflecting my own stress and my dealing with it in sleep? Maybe, but some dreams are much to technicolor and feel like the older astral warfare type. I am not afraid of ET's, and I really only care about dying because of my love and responsibility to my children. I am in heavy research mode at this time, and that may also be affecting my subconscious. Greer seems to be in that place of personal experience of knowing what he knows much as I am when it comes to ghosts and demons. Until someone experiences them first hand it is a bit hard to accept. I know what I have experienced, and it seems Greer knows what he has and hence his somewhat condescending attitude in regard to when Bill and Kerry express dismay of his taking the "all ET"s are good" attitude.

08-11-2009, 05:52 PM	#165
franciejones Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 307	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

08-11-2009, 06:03 PM	#166
Sarahmay Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sedona Arizona Posts: 549	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion After viewing the Camelot interview, I have to say this was a huge missed opportunity. Greer had some interesting things to say, but spent most of the time defending his position...which we didn't even clearly get to hear. Very unprofessional...and not at all helpful.

08-11-2009, 06:52 PM	#168
franciejones Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 307	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion hehehe MyPlanet2.

08-11-2009, 07:32 PM	#169
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion im liking the then bill kerry interveiw.. sets the record straight.. i do however think that it was a bit wild for 1st timers to observe what they thought was an interveiw.. the easy thing to stop all this hoo haa would have been to call the video .. camelots debates greer.. easy peezy

08-11-2009, 08:40 PM	#171
Lightpotential Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: England Posts: 64	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Dear Group, My view of the Dr. Greer interview is that overall it was indeed a bad interview. It has to be said that in the time leading up to the interview Kerry had posted some very negative remarks of Dr. Greer i.e. the “dangerous and insidious” comments on the Project Camelot home page. The other point is that it became clear – forcefully so as the interview progressed – that Kerry and Bill seemed intent upon ‘nailing’ Greer upon the issue of his expressed view that there were no ‘bad aliens’. I think basically, it all boils down to the fact that Greer has a somewhat different perspective than Kerry and Bill, and that this is down to the type of witnesses that they have each interviewed and the contacts that they have made over the years. I would thus say that Greer’s view that there are no ‘bad aliens’ is a very carefully constructed THEORY based upon the evidence as he sees it. But that Kerry and Bill both, to my mind, hold to the view of the existence of ‘bad aliens’ due to their personal BELIEF in the truth of the testimony of certain of their most prominent witnesses. And here I would offer up the names of Henry Deacon and Dan Burisch.

08-11-2009, 09:59 PM	#173
Hiram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 119	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Interesting how people on here are enganging in the same debate B&K were engaging Dr. Greer with. Each person is responsible for their own perceptions, and the way they approach those beings who inhabit their local Multi-verse. It is a wholly unique and personal experience. You are not here to convince others of your truth. The debate is a bit trite really, and each of us will have a different take on this subject. I also discourage some of the members here from "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when is comes to Project Camelot. When you put people up on a pedastel you are bound to be dissappointed by them from time to time. Its inevitable. Lesson: Remember we are all human...with all due respect to those of you who are not THERE IS STILL MUCH TO BE GLEANED FROM BEING HERE, AND OUR CONNECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY. Don't let one bad interview spoil that for you. I.e. Please don't blow this out of proportion with the intention of splitting the members. It's not a mature and objective way to approach this situation, and in truth, its an old Cointelpro "trick". Divide and conquer.

08-12-2009, 12:14 AM	#174
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Disclosure project issued this to PC.. Showing humilty and maturity as always. Now will we see a PC issued apology for their behaviour? Unlikely, as they are commited to have us all dwell in paranoia, and Steven Greer and also James Gilliland's (ask why they never released their interview with him) enlightened view of multi-dimensional and star visitors is unacceptable to their dualistic paradigm. My 2 cents. Last edited by Luminari; 08-12-2009 at 12:16 AM.

08-12-2009, 12:21 AM	#175
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Steven Greer for President 2012!! Who better to manage societal concern in a post-disclosure world than the guy who has helped us more than any other.