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Old 11-13-2009, 01:06 AM   #126
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Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

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So I'm reading that you see nothing wrong with these pictures? It's all love and light? That it's just the few of us sensitive souls that are bothered by it?

What are your views on these pictures again? I'm very interested to know how you can condone them.
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Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

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Well, maybe you better study up on it, as there is a battle for our souls out there...and the dark poses as light...and when it shows itself as dark...it laughs in your face...as has been done on this thread already..with pictures of kittens and videos
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Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

Love Always
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Mudra....My job leaves me on the mountain top a lot...I know things others don't

They come to the peak ask me for my wisdom and walk away content with the pearls I handed them

but

I never really felt kinship because everyone just walked back down my mountain and I sat there ...ALONE

Come down sometimes Mudra.....I could use a friend....

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Old 11-13-2009, 01:25 AM   #129
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I was simply answering Brook's question, so yeah knowledge SG1965, i was sharing my thoughts.
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:30 AM   #130
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Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns
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Well, if I may jump on this band wagon once again as far as these pictures. I love art. I am an artist as well. I think that a picture of a woman's body is one of the most beautiful things that the Creator has created. I also received from this person a picture on my profile page after I rejected a friend request from this person. I rejected this person because I am not in alignment with this person. The reasons are obvious. So to also take into account of others visiting my profile page, and consideration towards them, I deleted it. It was an evil looking nude. It was also a message that was sent without the words being written. I'll admit it. I'm a lesbian. I love Goddesses and pictures of them done artistically. But what was done was done in poor taste. I don't even know this guy and what I do know of him, I don't want to know of him or know him. He's not what I am about in any sense of the word. I find that his actions of provoking an emotional response across this board, in a negative light, is not what this forum is all about. And for others to act as though these were harmless acts just also opens my eyes that much further. The double standards around here is what makes me sick to my stomach. But that is my stomach. I have already determined by passed actions that I have experienced here already and even before then, will allow compromise to flourish here no matter what I have to say and use certain people as patsies. So whatever you all decide as I will just have to go with that flow so I don't rock this boat.
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Old 11-13-2009, 01:54 AM   #132
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So is it okay if I put another log on the fire?
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:02 AM   #133
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Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns
14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.
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14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:10 AM   #135
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Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not.

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think?


To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Fix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us.

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Old 11-13-2009, 02:37 AM   #136
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Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.Yes, I have watched it a few times, some years ago now....very good movie

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not. agreed

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!agreed

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.No one here is suggesting this is the way to go

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think? Dont know if this is a real war or not...so no comment


To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem.They are our problem if they keep getting in our way, & trying control/oppress us in any way. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Each of us have our own problems, yes & that is our responsibility to work on these, but it does not negate others imposing their problems on us eitherFix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us. I ask you to think about this situation.....the Tibetan monks & nuns busy working on their consciousness in their monastery, peaceful, loving, compassionate beings not harming anyone.......now picture the Chinese guards that invaded their serene & peaceful setting. They were dragged outside and shot in their courtyards....some of nuns were raped & then killed. Not a pleasant picture. The monks without any weapons to defend themselves, were slaughtered. You say turn the other cheek

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OK, something's really bugging me about this "fishes" thread!!!

It's not "Thanks for all the fishes" !!!!!!

It's "Thanks for all the fish" !!!!!

"fish" is plural for "fish"

, sorry,

Now continue, and smile!
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:48 AM   #138
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Tibet - Yes a great example.

The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese.

In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat.

Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength.

The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out.

So why hasn't China been able to do this?

The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek.

I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese.

Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them.

The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems.

Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face.

We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.
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For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.
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Tibet - Yes a great example.

The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese.

In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat.

Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength.

The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out.

So why hasn't China been able to do this?

The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek.

I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese.

Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them.

The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems.

Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face.

We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.
Tibet resides only in the hearts of the people....Tibet is no longer a free land and free people. Their culture wiped out & replaced. Perhaps too many cheeks have been turned & still are turned when it comes to Tibet. But the Tibetan people are indeed a wonderful role model for the rest of the world. Since Buddhism came to the West, it has brought us many gifts, & I am thankful for their teachings. I feel very sad about the Tibet situation & don't want to go into a long discussion here about it.
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I believe there is enough left of Tibet for it to be reborn in the near future. I believe great Light will be born in Tibet and India in the near future that will completely transform the East into the Light. Yes, it's looking a little sad for now, but it's still there and it's traditions live on alive and well behind closed doors. Most importantly, as you say WaitinginWings, they have not been able to take Tibet out of the hearts of it's people!

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For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.
I understand your feeling about this...no one wants to be run off..and no one is running anyone off.
I certainly would feel bad if that happened to me.
However...there is a line that has been crossed here, and there had been plenty of opportunity to correct the situation...but instead..we get more of the same, in the way of Kittens, and satirical videos..a laugh in the face as I see it.
If you are aware that you have done something that has upset someone, would you not try to make it right with that person? I know I would. But nothing had been said until the "retreat".
In fact, there did not have to be a retreat...all there needed to be was a simple understanding, and removal of the picture. Simple! No?
So explain how that is running anyone off?
A breath of fresh air...maybe if you want to view things that offend..however, most here do not want to be offended.
That shoe will not be on my foot..as that is not something I would let go to this extent.


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For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.
What's to forgive? You had someone who invaded others for no reason and when those people finally came out and revealed that because they were sick and tired of the multiplule faux pas as you call it, with a targeted intent, you are going to blame us for that? You are going to hold us responsible for someone's action of ill will? Is this what you are saying? I didn't ask him to leave. I also didn't ask him for his special treatment of ill will. Are you condoning his actions here by your statements? Obviously you are sending the message that it is alright to super impose your will over others as just a faux pas and now you want special treatment in return. Please. This wasn't just one instance for the record. All it did was create a bunch of unneeded chaos for everyone concerned. To save the trouble on the forgiveness issue, he can forgive himself. I'm not holding anything against him. But I don't have to enable this kind of thing. Use rape as an example. You are still imposing your will over others and is that alright to count that as a faux pas? Maybe rape is a little extreme but it is the same kind of thing that happened here along the lines of targeting certain people when they didn't even submit or provoke this kind of treatment. Sounds to me like someone needs to rethink about the shoes being on the right foot or not. Get real. Your awareness here as to what kind of issues this created could use some nurturing. Did you once put yourself in any of the shoes that was on the receiving end of this? You don't have to answer that. You already did in your post. And you think we are happy about the outcome? Where did that come from? There has been nothing glee full about it.
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For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.Not to worry, I'm sure you will be able to find that breath of fresh air in the next forum he visits.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.Its not the first time this has happened & he left & came back to do it all over again

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on? By this do you mean that we should forgive him & let him continue to entertain you with his breath of fresh air?We are trying to move on, but you are the one to post without the facts..

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.
I think most of us here are aware of our responsibility to ourselves & the members of this forum, & try to govern ourselves accordingly. If we slip up, of course we will endure karma, just like pablo. But it depends of what the intent of what you are calling a faux pas? If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma. End of story.
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If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma.
I will acknowedge that I may not know the whole story.

I have not been on the receiving end of whatever actions caused this
strife and therefore do not have the emotions that go with it.

I am still left wondering if ill intent is the issue, or just lack of consideration
and manners.

I am disturbed by what seems be a trend of intolerance towards others
here and that is what is driving my comments on this.

Perhaps I expect too much from this forum and the people on it.
We are only human after all.
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There is a Bohdhisattva among us who is remarkably original and knows of light and points to it in startling ways. He doesn't even know his own power.
Shunning comes from fear and ignorance. Let's take care here and tread lightly.

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bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?
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bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?
I did not see any evil. I do not wear rose coloured glasses. Evil is a perception. And if evil is headed right toward one, stepping lightly might be wise: leap out of the way. In other words, no fear.
What I meant, though, was if we step lightly,don't step on others' toes here and take off blinders and dwell in compassion, taking the next step might be easier.
There is no reason for me to argue here. That was really all I wanted to add.

With great respect to all,
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:24 AM   #150
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No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...1&postcount=47

and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power.
It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power
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