For "Survivors" Eyes Only

[Peer]

Ok I'll see what I can find but for now I am going to sleep, it's far after midnight here in the old world.

[Sol Invictus]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Peer,

You sound like an expert! Can you contribute some more posts on Archery and the like? Whatever knowledge you have applies here, so spill it man! Remember, the info you share could save a life someday.

Thanks a lot Peer,

The HistoryCircus - because history is full of clowns.

I'll second that. Advice is always welcome from a man of talent (or lady).

Bamboo - now thats some thing I have used again and again to make fishing traps out of. Its amazingly effective as it can be sharpend to a point where it will slice flesh as easily as a steel blade.

PTB is simply shorthand here for "Powers that be." Sorry for the confusion - I realize I have been using it for a while.

What sort of rainwater collection systems do you recommend - beyond putting out a bucket in a thunderstorm? Are there systems you are familiar with, either commercial or homemade?

[Swanny]

Any roof that has a guttering can be used to collect rainwater.
I would recommend getting some water butts and placing them under the downpipes from the gutter.
We used to make similar to southern cross water tanks and feed them from either church roofs or just a few sheets of corrugated iron. You can either link the butts together or just redirect the flow to each. I recommend using some type of cover that lets water through but stops crap like leaves, flies etc from contaminating the water. You can get a membrane that stops weeds from growing in your garden that is ok for this.
Hope this helps

[Seva]

Originally Posted by Shellie

Maybe this is slightly off topic, but I've thought about the "obesity plague" and have wondered something strange; what if this "plague" is really a collective unconscious preparation for what is to come? After all, fat is the only all-natural famine insurance we have.

Dude maybe so, so in a way im carring my stocked food supplies "on me"? I heard someone way once it was a way for us to ground, to get the munchies more ect. But it might be a subconscious was of preparing even if our minds cant really grasp whats comming.

This thread rocks BTW i know effort has to be put into maintaining exhistance and sititng in a circle singing Cum By Ya will only go so far LOL

[Seva]

You mean like a hobbit house?

http://blissful.co.nz/blog/archives/...bbit_house.php

http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/index.htm

Originally Posted by Trishsgate

That is amazing I had a dream a littlee over a month ago about partially underground homes that were interconnected. Above ground was like your garden\play with streams of water around them while semi-below was your homes. The other thing in the dream was you had a central kitchen,living & greenhouse area which then branched off to the living areas. In this dream they were dome or round type housing was the only difference. Very strange dream indeed but it was so vivid. Still don't know what purpose it served as according to the maps of global changes or polar shift my area would be underwater or too close to risk it.

[Sol Invictus]

Actually, fatty deposits are a bad source of energy for the body. The body would rather metabolise muscle tissue for energy as it is far far more efficient, and fat cannot be converted into carbohydrates either...


Ask your Dr or Nurse about it, and they will show you or tell you why this is so - its all about glycogen storage and ATP production for use as the cellular energy source. (unless its red blood cells then they need direct glucose transport for energy, as does the brain.

[Luigis Mushroom]

Yeah I don't think we should confuse being a society programmed to eat unhealthy foods as our unconscious minds preparing us for hard times.

[bosr]

Here is a very nice source of survival information. I especially like the Bow Bed

http://wildwoodsurvival.com

[Fun 4U Leader]

"I would like to teach online but was alien contacted and told by a very big unkind and dark individual being (I sensed reptilian) that much mischief would befall my experiment via other vessels not as capable as I should I actually attempt such a class online. I did suddenly realize that the only way to act and get the same results was to meet in a group of only three, hold formal meditation and reach people in the third chakra without going the live feed. It is best if done at the same time each day but truthfully, my inner counsel says that our vessels can overcome the space time separation by honoring the freedom to hold that space with others linked into strong meditation with the personal intent to then increase your skills internally to the order described above. We will both have real time mind-link space shared third chakrally and more that cannot be described. Keep in mind that the more you practice empowering personal space the more invincible you instantly become. I am at your service and i will see any of you within when it serves you.
__________________
MariGaia"

Thanks! This is important information and why I am convinced that conventional wisdom will need to change in these times so that this positive energy can be applied in these "Safe Place" communities. TPB will be focused (at least initially) on the haters who are armed to the teeth, one opportunity away from insurgent/terrorist actions. We must insist on appearing harmless as well as being positive. More on that in late posts.

As a Spirit filled Christian for decades, I have prayed daily, loud and long, but rarely listened. Over recent months, I have grown tired of overlooking the many distortions and contradicting behavior, and sought a divergent path toward the light. I have only recently started Meditation which has had no noticable changes as yet. Ever since I was very young, I have wanted to be a healer and only now am looking earnestly toward Reiki. I expect good things to come. I would be interested in more of what you have to say.

I also have more to say soon on this thread, but not on this subject directly.

For the cause!

[Peer]

How to make traditional bowstrings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24-J-RpbxFo

[Peer]

We'll need Stirling engines because they can operate on solar-energy and using hollow mirrors as described in the solar-cookersthread it can drive generators to produce electricity.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C00601...rling.php3?v=2

[Peer]

We'll need to plant and grow hemp.

Did you know that before 1937 every farmer in the US was forced by law to grow a certain amount of hemp?
It produces about 4 times as much fibers every year as the same amount of wood in about 30 years.

You can make clothes that feel soft like silk and last 5 times as long as cotton without the polution cotton causes.
You can make paper out of it that is whiter and stronger than any wood produces.
The oil from hemp cures cancer, erases scars from old wounds and cures many other diseases.

From the oil of the hempseeds you can produce plastics and biofuel for engines.
Did you know that the worldfamous T-ford was partly made from plastic produced from hempseed-oil?
That it ran on hempseed-oil?
That these plastics were stronger than steel and biologically degradeble and recycleble?

Hemp doesn't exhaust the soil, on the contrary: You can use the soil year after year and it gets better and better.

Now why isn't hemp used anymore?

In 1937 Dupont invented plastics made out of earth-oil.
The petro-chemical industry had to get rid of its greatest rival: Hemp.
So they renamed it into Marihuana, started a huge propaganda-campaign that it was the youth's worst enemy and lobbied untill there was a law that forbade the growth and use of Marihuana.

Only after this law was passed people discovered that Marihuana actually was hemp and that a huge source of good things was stolen away from them because of the greed of a few.
Where or when have I heard this story before? Or after?

Actually in one campaign it was said that Marihuana made the youth passive so they would fall asleep and that it was the biggest enemy of the "American dream" and in another campaign it was stated that it was supposed to make the youth very agressive and that it would lead to total chaos and war.....

One thing is sure:
If the same amount of hemp was grown in the USA as it was before 1937 all the fuel-, health- and environmental problems would be solved within a year.

No rainforest was needed anymore, no need anymore for expensive chemical medicines.

But that would give us another problem wouldn't it?

[Natoka]

What a thread! Here's a link for those who are inclined to make the tools needed after all the high tech supplies have 'expired'. Covers the areas from music, household, weaponry and so very much more.

URL="http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/directory" Cut and paste if I didn't get it right.

Natoka

Thanks Nakota - I'll check that site out as soon as I have time.

As for Peer's comments on hemp - I'm in 100% agreement. It can also be used as an alternative fuel. A great book that documents the very historical dicline that Peer discusses in his post is called "The Emperer Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer. His book is the standard.

[Sol Invictus]

Hemp.

Natures very own 'miracle mile' gift to us.

Fuel, medicines, clothes, you name it hemp can do it cheaply, efficiently and all the time keeping the soil in tip top condition because it doesn't just take take take from the soil, it gives back, making its habitat stronger each passing year.

I hope in times ahead we will see miles upon miles of this growing freely in fields with nervous laughter when we look back at the sheer naked greed of the plastics industry aka petrochemical stasi.

[Peer]

And you don't get addicted.
After almost 40 years of smoking it I just quit from one day to another and never had any addiction symptoms.

[Peer]

On bows:
There are a lot of sites about bowbuilding but many are about traditional (=longbow) bows.
I prefer the recurve bow because it is much faster, smaller, much easier to handle and to draw than the slow and backbreaking longbow.
Also the power of the bow is often exaggerated.
Big guys want to draw 60 or 80 pound bows.
(The drawing weight is measured at 28# drawing length).
As it is ridiculous to hunt for little game on a distance of more than about 15-25 metres no such drawingweight is required.
A 35-50 pnd bow will do fine and if you put on a razorhead point it will penetrate a bullitproof vest on about 25 metres as well.
Much easier (and cheaper) than building your own bow you can buy Korean (Samick) huntingbows for a very reasonable prize.
Some bows you buy for $ 50-$ 100.
Remember you don't want to be the worlds Archerychampion but you want to get yourself a rabbit a day and if nessecary be able to "shoot it from the hip" and that requires a completely different skill.
And it may seem a joke but last summer I practiced shooting sitting in my lazy chair but that is not so funny as it seems as you sometimes must be able to shoot laying on a big branch of a tree.

http://picasaweb.google.nl/peervande...ey=WElPSfQQgdU

You can see the longbow my friend is shooting is not half as comfortable as my shorter recurve and although my friend draws about 10 Lbs more my arrow is faster (we tested that with an electronic device).
The beercan I hold between my thighs shows that targetpracticing should be fun.
If it is not your thing don't do it but if it attracts you go ahaed and you'll have a wonderfull sport untill you need the skill in a practical way.
The two video's also show the difference between the comfort of a recurve bow and the longbow

There are also very good american huntingbows so check out this site:
http://www.beararcheryproducts.com/

Here you can see what a bow is capable of. This is no trick.
Talking about accuracy. Also look at the arrow in flight in slow motion.
See the vibration and the bending?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNY2t0h-HE

On the other hand you wouldn't be able to move in the forest with that equipment but hitting an egg at 30-40 metres without site and stabilisors is no exeption.
I have seen arrows being split by the second one many times.

Ok for now.

[davefla73]

here is one of the best links to survial in all conditions urban outdoor, everything CHECK IT OUT! http://www.endtimesreport.com

[unloadedgunn]

Great thread here. I have synthesized a few different "earth changes" maps I have found on the internet, and combined this with my gut feelings about what lies ahead. I have already decided where I will be relocating to, and my present house is on the market as we speak, or as we post

As a builder with over 25 years experience building in a very "green" and progressive state I have come up with what I think is a very good and inexpensive design for an earth sheltered house. This is the ONLY way to go for many reasons, not the least of which is that the ambient ground temp. makes it easy to heat and cool.

I agree with previous post about the governments' ability to surveil. But one variable is that with so much chaos and societal meltdown in the urban centers, how many years do you think it will take the PTB to get to the little isolated communities which are self sustaining, and pose no problem? It might never happen in fact. I see "getting back to the woods" as a way to weather the storm. Who knows, in a decade or so the PTB might loose its steam due to military desertions, bad moral, change in the political agenda, anything could change the course of events. I certainly DO NOT plan on rounding up my family and getting a free ride to a FEMA camp, and will wait quietly to see where the chips fall.

I think that talk of bows and arrows is crazy (no disrespect intended). When you and your loved ones are barely eking out a living and you are trying to provide food I think a firearm is the only way to go, that said, it is true that the bovine ensephalitis which has infected wild deer and elk herds, makes trapping, snaring, smaller mammals and birds a better choice. Wildcrafting herbs for food and medicine will be necessary as well. Regardless of a "nuclear winter" scenario, mother nature is pretty resilient, and will always provide for those willing to look.

Gun shows, last I knew were a great place to purchase arms without going through the permitting process.

Earth roofs are a great means of evading detection from satelites.

This minimal visual footprint approach eliminates the ability to have solar panels (as they would be very visible), so be prepared to really rough it if you use that approach.

Collecting rain water is good, but anyone serious about a small community had better be serious about locating it around WATER. A couple of hours with a backhoe and some concrete well tiles, and you've got an artesian well for about 1K. The beauty of this is you don't need to have a submersible pump. You can use a low voltage DC (solar) pump or even mount a old school cast iron handle on your community well.

Clusters of houses allow you to have shared utilities like solar arrays, outhouses, wells, septic, gardens, generator, greenhouse etc. This also allows somewhat for specialties. You might have an electrician, a builder, some people with green thumbs, a tracker, a wildcrafter, potter...you get the idea. The problem is times a wastin'. This financial collapse, though not a surprise was pretty precipitous, and will leave many folks without the means or the time to prepare for what is coming.

I could go on forever. This is a good topic and has made me rethink some of my plans. I will be looking into military camouflage fabric and whether it would alow enough light transfer to photovoltaic panels. I think the bottom line is COMMUNITY. I agree that foreign UN troops will be more willing to shoot at Americans, but a close knit independent group is bound to be left alone. Worst case scenario is that the first few might fall, but it will be this exact thing which causes the low moral/desertions. Look no further back than Vietnam or even Iraq to see that this kind of unjust genocidal conflict foments dissension in the ranks.

I hope some of us take this beyond the discussion stage, and start walking the walk, because the fate of homo sapiens lies in the balance.

[Peer]

You got some good ideas there UG.
I've been thinking about that as well and exept for the firearms I agree.
In the US you can buy firearms on every streetcorner but here in Europe it is hard for averige people to get a gun, let alone enough rounds of amo and as I stated before: A bad maintained gun is more dangerous to yourself than to an opponent.
Situating a community near water or a well is almost a must there you're totally right and of course the builders, crafters, trackers etc.
Guys (or girls) that can build transmitters from old PCs or televisions, people who know how things work.
These are good sites:http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/
Lots of fun too.

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

Great thread here. I have synthesized a few different "earth changes" maps I have found on the internet, and combined this with my gut feelings about what lies ahead. I have already decided where I will be relocating to, and my present house is on the market as we speak, or as we post

As a builder with over 25 years experience building in a very "green" and progressive state I have come up with what I think is a very good and inexpensive design for an earth sheltered house. This is the ONLY way to go for many reasons, not the least of which is that the ambient ground temp. makes it easy to heat and cool.

I agree with previous post about the governments' ability to surveil. But one variable is that with so much chaos and societal meltdown in the urban centers, how many years do you think it will take the PTB to get to the little isolated communities which are self sustaining, and pose no problem? It might never happen in fact. I see "getting back to the woods" as a way to weather the storm. Who knows, in a decade or so the PTB might loose its steam due to military desertions, bad moral, change in the political agenda, anything could change the course of events. I certainly DO NOT plan on rounding up my family and getting a free ride to a FEMA camp, and will wait quietly to see where the chips fall.

I think that talk of bows and arrows is crazy (no disrespect intended). When you and your loved ones are barely eking out a living and you are trying to provide food I think a firearm is the only way to go, that said, it is true that the bovine ensephalitis which has infected wild deer and elk herds, makes trapping, snaring, smaller mammals and birds a better choice. Wildcrafting herbs for food and medicine will be necessary as well. Regardless of a "nuclear winter" scenario, mother nature is pretty resilient, and will always provide for those willing to look.

Gun shows, last I knew were a great place to purchase arms without going through the permitting process.

Earth roofs are a great means of evading detection from satelites.

This minimal visual footprint approach eliminates the ability to have solar panels (as they would be very visible), so be prepared to really rough it if you use that approach.

Collecting rain water is good, but anyone serious about a small community had better be serious about locating it around WATER. A couple of hours with a backhoe and some concrete well tiles, and you've got an artesian well for about 1K. The beauty of this is you don't need to have a submersible pump. You can use a low voltage DC (solar) pump or even mount a old school cast iron handle on your community well.

Clusters of houses allow you to have shared utilities like solar arrays, outhouses, wells, septic, gardens, generator, greenhouse etc. This also allows somewhat for specialties. You might have an electrician, a builder, some people with green thumbs, a tracker, a wildcrafter, potter...you get the idea. The problem is times a wastin'. This financial collapse, though not a surprise was pretty precipitous, and will leave many folks without the means or the time to prepare for what is coming.

I could go on forever. This is a good topic and has made me rethink some of my plans. I will be looking into military camouflage fabric and whether it would alow enough light transfer to photovoltaic panels. I think the bottom line is COMMUNITY. I agree that foreign UN troops will be more willing to shoot at Americans, but a close knit independent group is bound to be left alone. Worst case scenario is that the first few might fall, but it will be this exact thing which causes the low moral/desertions. Look no further back than Vietnam or even Iraq to see that this kind of unjust genocidal conflict foments dissension in the ranks.

I hope some of us take this beyond the discussion stage, and start walking the walk, because the fate of homo sapiens lies in the balance.

Hey unloaded,

I can't agree with you more in many respects. The only disagreement I have is your dismissal of the bow - there are many folks out there who will not have firearms, who will hit the road and survive. It is going to be pretty hard for these folks to hunt and defend themselves with nothing, and you can't manufacture a twelve-gauge out of saplings. The bow may be the only choice these folks have to make it, and I think that info has its place here.

I do think, however, while one still can, acquiring a firearm and amunition, and learning how to use them is really a good idea. They need to forget the brainwashing - guns are tools, nothing more. They are not evil, and you are not a bad person for owning one. Someone who knows nothing about them needs to learn, and quick. People who are uncomfortable with them need to GET comfortable soon.

I, too, think the wild is the way to go. But think about the people who have brought us to the brink of disaster. Was Iraq the most efficient way to get access to oil and bring down Saddam? NO. They are madmen, and it is all about control - flexing one's might as an act of juvenile, schoolyard dominance. I think that as time goes by, these folks will not tolerate anyone existing outside of their sphere of control - no matter how inconsequential these communites may be in terms of opposing their agendas. If the PTB make it to the other side of whatever comes, unchanged in philosophy, those who exist outside of their control will be targets. Stealth must be a priority for those who have already established safe zones, and for those who will do so in the future.

It sounds like many here are taking it beyond discussion, but with this format, discussion is all we got. I thank you for your contribution, and anything you can add is GREATLY appreciated. Please post all that you know.

ON RAINWATER COLLECTION: For those who may find themselves in a situation where the guttering of traditional housing is not applicable, are there any designs for a boonie system for free, or anything commercial? Will it come down to plastic dropcloths above rotating buckets? And again, I agree with unloaded - locating these safe zones as close to freshwater as possible will be key. But there is no shame in harnessing what comes from the sky.

[unloadedgunn]

Well I will concede that a bow which could penetrate a bullet-proof vest (quietly) would make be great at protecting ones interests. Better for protection than hunting, and of course in places where guns are illegal then bows are the only way to go.

I plan to buy a fairly large tract of land in an area where building codes are relatively nonexistent. I hope that when that time comes that there will be some people here who are ready to DO. Let's face it folks, even if none of the "worst case scenarios" ever comes to fruition. The system is totally corrupt, and built to fail and steal every man's, woman's, and child's sovereignty, wealth, dignity, etc.... so let's get out of it!!!

Agreed. An honest man or woman has no place in the system that exists.

[unloadedgunn]

One thing I forgot to bring up in the last post... I have done some research into the possible earth changes. Whether caused by the galactic equinox, or the approach of planet-X, I think that a geographic pole-shift is in the cards. For that reason, a passive solar house which provides much of the energy needed to heat FOR FREE will be extremely hard to site, because the earth will be like a giant roulette wheel, "where she stops nobody knows".

Has anyone ever seen a website/book which has predicted the eventual location of the poles based on past events, or future (2012) planetary alignments?

I am listening to Michael Tsarion right now, and appropriately enough he is talking about letting go of fears and desires, simplifying, and "getting rid of dead weight". Gives new meaning to the term "enlightenment" doesn't it?