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#101 |
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you do it, to be it
you be it, to do it it is as simple, as that it does NOT pay to critise others NOR, fight with others in fact, anyone who chooses to fight with another, in my humble grand-dads opinion then, he viewed them both as fools there is no doubt, you can fling a lot of mud, however, if you are throwing mud at dirt, it isn't going to show up - as, anything other than a total waste of your time we are here, to help one another - it is as simple as that it is a discovery of truth my truth, might not be your truth but, until i change, my belief, it will NOT be a truth when you get, to the end of your life it won't be who you fought with, that matters it will b, who / and, what you cared enough to share and, how you shared it hopefully with a high heart/and, a high mind engaged did you know, right now there are a lot of people - who once, were gulliable they believed something for truth and, they researched it, only to find out, their original truth was NOT the truth, and, they found something more, NOT something less the best, anyone can do is be the 'best' change you can be in any pivot of the now and, keep caring, eXchanging, and, sharing sometimes, if you ask yourself, is it kind, does it add value, will it make another discover more will my comments, make another feel better/or, help them create solutions it is then, and, only then, we share 'nuggets' that are 'gems' as bill, so wisely says-- attitude, often determines the altitude you rise too if you have ever climbed a mountain, you will certainly know that, as, the wisest of truths thank you bill for all you do always remember, 'the gulliable' do 'awaken' in their time love/susan the eXchanger |
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#103 |
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Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............
Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general. 1st hand experience vs second hand experience What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it. The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing. Knowing is first hand and is based in experience. Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible. Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value. If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to. The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead. I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not. Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation! So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended. Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going? ![]() |
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Informing people that Satan exists and that he is influencing ALL of us, including "myself" is not a criticizm of others -- and I am sorry that people around here think that it is. I stand by what I have said.
I am also sorry that people think I am "fighting". I am merely reiterating what I have said. If you go back through the thread, I am POSITIVE you will see that many people have been MUCH harsher, towards me "personally: that I have with my general statements (that are open for people to associate themselves with - or not). It just so happens that many people are associating "THEMSELVES" with what I have stated. Quote:
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#105 |
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Hello Warriorservant.....
I would like to discuss some things with you via private messaging...... You are very new to our forum and I would be willing to discuss certain issues about enlightenment and knowing Godsource........ We at Avalon understand that there are many walks of life and we sincerely honor many paths........what the other members are reacting to is that you are somehow not showing due respect to them.......... It is my opinion that this is based on misunderstandings and I would be willing to share some info and insights with you as well as hear some from you...... In Light! |
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Firstly I am NOT CAPABLE of that. It's not POSSIBLE to MAKE someone believe something. Secondly, even if I were capable, I would not WANT to. The ONLY reference that I have made about the Bible here is that I "read it" and have gained much spiritual knowledge about it. It seems that every time Jesus or God is mentioned, people TOTALLY miss the rest of the post, any other point and get STRAIGHT on the "we have to prove to this guy that we don't believe the Bible" bandwagon. Which is accompanied by a LOT of jest, sarcasm, mockery and laughter -- which is distracting. What good is that? What's the whole point? I read the Bible. So what? Does that mean any information I may be able to share should be discarded, and instead, every thread I make should be taken to "whether God is real or not" court? I did NOT come here to force anyone to believe anything in the Bible. It is not ME that has a hangup about the Bible. The whole problem here is that I can't get my experiences and knowledge out (AND I REFUSE TO DO SO) until people get over the fact that I read the Bible and declare Jesus is Lord. That way, once we've got all that settled, I can become a part of the forum and hopefully everyone will just put their "Jesus" hangups aside for long enough for me to actually say something important. I am NOT about to begin saying ANYTHING of substance until that happens. That is why I posted my BIG LONG post all about what happens when I mention God and Jesus on New Age forums. I know this isn't "intended" to be a New Age forum, but let me tell you - it IS one! ..and I know FULL well that I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to say ANYTHING of ANY SUBSTANCE, because if I mention "Jesus", "God", "Satan", "Bible" the thread WILL take a spiral path to the circus of oblivion at that point. I am MERELY trying to get it all done and settled so that we can all move on. I would REALLY like a rule passed on this forum, where if someone mentions "Jesus" that the CONTEXT of the thread be noticed (AND ADHERED TO) and not the fact that Jesus was mentioned in it. ONLY THEN would I be able to finally make some useful posts, and I do NOT think such a rule is much to ask or any burden on the forum whatsoever. For example, I don't go into "channeler" threads which are about "aliens and spacecraft" and then start whining about how channeling is will get someone POSSESSED. The ONLY time I will say that is 1). In my OWN thread, or 2). In context. I would NOT hijack their thread. I will let the person say what they're trying to say in peace, without trying to hijack it. What I am saying is that this forum does NOT allow anyone to provide a greater picture, if "Jesus" is mentioned, because the FIRST response is usually some big rebuttal about religion, the crusades, or something about "bible thumping" or "preaching" and the SUBSTANCE and POINT of the thread is IGNORED! |
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orthodoxymoron threads http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ymoron+threads Have you read his posts? It might be interesting to know what you make of them. |
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#108 |
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Hey WS, as I said, if you would just take some time do some research, you would know that one of the best threads we've had here about Jesus was the one created by Egg (who is not here any more, I guess).
No one shouted at him, but we all had a big pleasure to contribute on that thread. So I'm sorry when I hear you say things like you'll be not allowed to talk about Jesus here, it is not true... Here's the link to that thread...you might want to read... http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ighlight=jesus By the way, I'm more then willing to hear what you have to say about Jesus...if it's a firsthand expirience...in an apropriate manner... with ![]() ![]() malletzky |
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While my being welcome here is being considered, all I wish to ask for now is that a rule be made where if someone mentions makes a thread, that people respond to the thread and not go completely off topic with accusations of being religious, or debates about the validity of the Bible. I am not asking much. It would be greatly beneficial for the forum.
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Why doesn't anyone get my point? Is it on purpose? I am getting tired here. I guess I can only reiterate what I have already said many times, but say it yet another way. I am here to discuss matters of the world, my experiences, what I have come to understand, etc.. However, my only wish is to be able to do so without the first responses being: "Oh a bible basher" "You're in the wrong place if you want to preach" etc etc.. All I ask is that what ever the thread was about, that the thread is allowed to continue, without people trying to turn it into a religious debate. I am well aware of what is written on this forum. I am well aware of its history. |
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#111 |
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well; truth is
that is, what it is the truth and, sometimes, people do carry the threads of truth and, sometimes, they do NOT carry the threads of truth so - my truth, may NOT be your truth - but, it may be the truth just as, your truth, maybe NOT be my truth - but, it may be the truth a belief - is NOT always the real truth it is always subject to change even truth changes - in an instant what was truth a second ago, might no longer be truth got to separate facts/from fictions before adopting 'the truth' for the real truth truth always is, just truth love/susan the eXchanger |
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#112 |
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You wanted to get real so I got real. And in doing so you never really answered the questions that I asked. Instead you have projected what you think everyone is going to do to you. Or what they might say. Projection of victim hood and if you apply the laws of attraction to this, you should maybe consider that a hard head can be a great spiritual tool. I use mine all the time. Because that is what you have attracted to yourself. Like Bill said about the energy you are projecting out. Maybe you ought to look in that mirror and take your own advice and see what it is you're projecting out there. Controlled confusion tactics don't work very well here.
When you say everyone or everybody as in they think the same way, is a delusion. Reread your own posts or have someone read them back to you as you will see or feel that energy you are projecting. And I am also here to tell you that you will find others more advanced than you are and that you will also find that you are more advanced than others. I'm not saying we aren't made of the same stuff but we all have a variety of circumstances that have limited our experiences or enhanced them. If your experience is all that or your knowledge is all that, I have to question that because if it was you would have the balls to state it from a place of knowing and integrity, without all of your insecure statements. You have made some good points as Bill gave you credit for as well as some others. But when you blame, accuse, and stereotype with simplistic judgments that are based in presumptions of yourself, then you are going to be told differently that this is not the case. A true warrior doesn't play this game that you are playing. It only insults other warriors. You must have a lot of knives and daggers in your auric field because all I see when I do a scan is a something a kin to a porcupine. Maybe you're better off having your own blog page. Sort it out for yourself as you are still here. Good luck with that! We already have to many rules here. Do we want more? ![]() Namaste' |
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I am not interested at this moment in time about who said what to who and who's causing trouble and how to avoid it etc.
Again. I am well aware of the history of this forum. I am not new. My concerns are valid and justified. Again, I ask this: That there be a rule put in place that if people make any posts that are {{{{NOT}}}} about religion (and mine rarely are), but if something that is "perceived" as being religious is stated to support what ever belief I have, that the thread is answered "directly", and in context, and that religious debates are not instigated, because it's distracting. The MOMENT someone acknowledges what I am asking, I will fall off my chair and say: "Yes! Yes! Someone GETS ME!". Anyone can reply that "I am allowed to talk about Jesus", but that's beside the whole point. I didn't COME here to make threads about Jesus. I didn't COME here to write about the Bible. I came here to participate in the forum with my views and understandings about the world. If I make a post about what happened to me when I was "x" years old and that at some point it correlates with something I read in the Bible, I do NOT want the first response to be about how the Bible is just a storybook and that I should be reading about Buddha. All I want is for people to read my thread IN CONTEXT and reply IN CONTEXT, about the childhood experience. Even if (for argument sake) there is NO HANGUP around here, towards peole who make Biblical references - there can then be NO harm on making a rule that threads are to be kept in context and that responses should never be made that IGNORE the thread and incite religious dissidence, because MY POSTS WILL CAUSE THOSE RESPONSES due to the nature of my knowledge and understanding. I CANNOT post my serious and full views on this forum unless I am afforded fair and just accommodation. I am not saying anyone should agree with me. But I find it HIGHLY distracting that if I "mention" the Bible, a big speculation starts about "religion" and I have to start flapping my arms, telling people that I am not religious so that the thread can continue. Meanwhile 3 pages have passed and it has NOTHING to do with my original post. What I am asking fro is fair and will be beneficial for the forum. |
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Well what you can do is post a disclaimer in your posts like in the signature so that everyone will have something to fall back on when they have a difference of opinion. If you are that adamant about having a rule set up on the forum, all you are doing is making much more work for the Mods, and opening the door to more rules being added to a choking set already. Why not just take responsibility for your own postings instead of pushing that responsibility onto everyone else or the Mods. And if it isn't what you think "everybody" will do, then don't put it out there in the first place. Apply some consideration. I mean when I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else. It's all about what you think and if anyone thinks differently, you want a rule set up. I think the best thing to do here is for me to detach from this thread as it only serves the needs of the few creating headaches for the many.
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There's no need to make what I am asking sound so difficult. In essence, what I am asking is that threads be kept on topic. This thread currently has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the original post. I understand that a thread can branch and that new information comes up, etc.. but to purposefully derail a thread, just because it mentions something about the Bible, is unconstructive. I think that I am going to have to go and get all the instances where religion has been injected into threads that were not about religion, merely because the readers perceived it as being religion and decided tat they would simply dismiss the whole thread and start moaning about how they don't want to be preached to. A lort of my life experience is spiritual and the Bible plays a large role on both the way I view the world AND the experiences that I ahve had in life. I know that I will not be afforded the opportunity to participate in this forum is such a rule is not made. All I ask is that I be free to post "honest", "sincere" and "thoughtful" posts without someone insisting that I wish to project and enforce my view onto everyone else. It causes problems. It derails topics. It serves no purpose. It's just a jab. It can be done away with. Quote:
"Oh another Bible basher" ![]() "hehehehehehehe" ![]() "Yeah Maybe he wants us to go to church!" ![]() "You are PATHETIC!" ![]() "You're in the wrong place preacher!" ![]() etc etc etc.. Basically, what I am asking for is more intelligent conversation and the structure in place to accommodate it. What I am asking should go for ALL posts for ALL people with ALL views and ALL ideas - no matter WHERE they get them from, or WHY they believe it. What I am asking for is a good general rule for everyone in all threads. It is not only one I ask for, but it is one that I have personally "adhered to myself" in my own conduct. |
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Stop showing yourself as a victim here now. We are not guilty and nobody is going to pity you. And I do not believe you want to say anything constructive here. it is all whitewash. Your purpose is completely different. If you really wanted to say something constructive and wanted an honest response, you would have done it a long time ago...
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I gave you a solution and others have offered as well. Then put something into action and stop groveling about it as I heard you already state this. I get what you're saying, but you don't seem to be listening either. Put it in your signature and while you're at it don't stretch it across like GOING TO FAST does so we don't have to do any unnecessary scrolling. Because then I am only to ignore what I consider a high maintenance issue and my time is more valuable.
Personally I see nothing wrong with using anything as a reference. I'm not religious either and have referenced the bible but I do not speak for Jesus Christ and it is just insulting when people speak as thou they are speaking for these Ascended Masters. That includes Budda and every other guru, especially when they have never met them. Talk about second hand over second hand. I also could care less what people believe because I am more interested in what you "KNOW," and not what you believe because your beliefs are not proven. Beliefs is what promotes the word Gullible. Isn't that what this thread is about? I know you won't answer this and I won't waste anymore time here in this thread but someone I know asked me to make an effort on your behalf. I tried. Let's see what you do with it. ![]() |
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The current consensus seems to revolve around the perception that the list was to all people on this forum and that is what I was calling everyone (I think conveniently). At least a whole heap of people in this thread seem to believe I have called them all demon possessed devil worshipers (which I never did). Firstly, I would never do that. It was not implied or intended. It was a list of things which "may" be said by me as a response to someone, should the case arise. The reason I provided the list, was to demonstrate why people might get upset with a "possible" future response of mine (and take it down the religion path). But instead of taking that on board for what it was, they decided to complain about the list itself and start defending themselves against it. This is what I MAY respond with (which MAY cause) people to pull a thread into a big religious tangent, even if the original thread had nothing to do with religion (and believe me that happens!). For example: If someone said: "I believe that the sun is to be worshiped and that's where all our spiritual energy comes from" My response might be: "You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology." If someone said: "I channel aliens every Friday - I hear them in my head" My response might be: "You're susceptible to a satanic delusion." If someone said: "Aliens are coming in 2012 to save humanity. We should trust them." My response might be: "Aliens aren't real. They're demons." If someone said: "Aliens are making crop circles." My response might be: "Crop circles are man made." If someone said: "Support Dr Greer. Send him money!" My response might be: "Greer is a liar." If someone said: "Those whistle blowers DEFINITELY can be trusted because they're obviously connected to higher self!" My response might be: "Many whistle blowers are Godless (and subject to delusion)" If someone said: "Where was God when (insert tragedy here) happened? HUH?" My response might be: "You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God." If someone said: "I want to get abducted, I can't wait!" My response might be: "Abduction experiences are demonic" --- As for the other two posts above, I am just going to ignore them. Last edited by WarriorServant; 12-11-2009 at 08:51 PM. |
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Warriorservant: I have read all of this thread, & it seems no progress has been made, in terms of you expressing that which you came here to say. I have no personal judgement on your experiences or your reading the Bible nor that you believe in Jesus......so I think its time that you now share what you feel a strong need to tell us. The platform is all yours...........we will not comment until you have completed your story, all of it.
Please note that we are all here to help each other, we are all struggling with our own paths & what's happening in the world.....& if you are struggling too, then you are part of this family, so feel free to open up & let your heart have the release it needs. |
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I am not going to begin posting things of a personal nature, or any information that I have, if I am to become the forum punching bag each time I mention something Biblical. I realize that people have stated that my concerns are unfounded, but I highly disagree. |
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I will, but what I have to say will take months. Bill has asked me to leave. I am not going to get into anything until Bill asks me not to leave. Additionally, I am unable to post anything of substance unless my request that I be allowed to do so without forum members turning each thread into a religions debate full of God haters. I simply cannot get all that I have to say "out" in such an environment. I just wish people would understand and agree -- and we call all hug and move on. |
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The term "alien" needs to be analyzed also. An alien simply means unknown from here. So in essence, I suppose anything could be called an alien. Angels, devils, demons, entities, you name it. But the whole point is that I believe (through personal experience) that these entities (what ever they may be) are evil, and since the Biblical term for these evil creatures are "demons" I use the term demon. I could also simply call them evil creatures, or even evil aliens. Problem is, no one ever stopped to ask me what I mean. They just say: "You said demon! Don't come around here Bible bashing!" edit I also know for a fact that if at least they are not physical, they most certainly have access to spiritual arena. That is also from personal experience which would take time to go into. Last edited by WarriorServant; 12-11-2009 at 09:12 PM. |
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