Steven Greer Interview Discussion - Page 4

tone3jaguar · 08-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Tango, this is a forum about the truth. Lets keep the Inside Edition / Entertainment Tonight / Fox News paradigms out of here.

5thDensity · 08-08-2009, 08:17 PM

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I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

Burisch had worked with greys and orions in black projects

, both are in my opinion negative ET`s. So he may be crackpot and disinfo.Greer wit his project orion, also refering to those negative ET`s. If that interview was "staged" by PC, we may hear some clarification soon.

twoRone · 08-08-2009, 08:22 PM

watched the interview, and thought it was decent but like others stated, should have been much more about Dr. Greer and his experiences and work, then the BOTH of them (K&B) shoving their perspective down his throat.. great scott! ..
it was hard to watch once the badgering started.. I now have an even greater respect for Dr. Greer and what he's up against with the world public.. that's a larger challenge than dealing with the world's politicians IMO..

the trick here, it seems, is the true separation between off-world ET civilisations and the genetic experiments of the black ops dickheads and the confusion they are trying to create (successfully I should add) and kerry and bill being caught right up in it.. they are out of the box thinkers but they need to step out into the next layer and see the even larger picture to get a true definition of "good and bad" ... Bill's analogy of the island and campfire just showed how restrictive the human thought process really is.. fear first, it's safer that way... I guess we're "only human"

old paradigm thought processes IMO..

decent interview though, K&B, you just need to keep your emotions and pre-interview comments in check... and can the finger shaking.. that was rude!

on to the next!!

Unified Serenity · 08-08-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango

You, MAY want to ask the same of Oprah...

Or, any other TV or Cable Anchor, Host, or Interviewer...

The lense adds weight... Kerry, knows that, it's 101.

And, it wasn't a complaint, it was an observation.
Here, give us 10 names of weighted interviewers...
Its, More for females than males. I don't make the
rules. We just have to live with them.

You can live by whatever rules you choose to live by Tango. I don't happen to care what a person looks like, but rather what they have to share with us. It's rather sad that the media has made it a prerequisite to be thin and attractive to be on video. Heck, look what we missed out on in a singing sensation with Susan Boyle. Imagine if she had been given a real chance 20 years ago what she could have given to the world. I hope she releases a cd soon as I for one would love to hear her songs. Kerry's weight is a non-sequitur.

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It's the same as the stunt on the stage. She's just lucky
it was someone like, Bob Dean that she pulled that on,
Someone else might have walked off the stage.

This is a sad statement to say. It might not have been proper to take the stage, and yes people were upset, but to suggest what you are really immature.

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When camelot started it was about 'recording' history.
Now the recorder [honorable job] as it was; Now, wants fame.

I really don't think they were seeking fame, but a chance to have some of this information shared which it appears the conference heads did not. They even were upset over sharing info during a non-conference time lunch break! Come on, if no one is scheduled and they invited him to the conference then why didn't they give him a slot to speak? That was beyond rude in my book. I would have been pretty frustrated had I been asked to go to a conference due to my information and then not been given an opportunity to share it. That is basically what I gained from listening to Kerry.

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I've seen this happen before! Can you deal with the
out come... The herd here at PC/PA has thinned. Wonder why?

I don't know why the "herd" has thinned though I have heard some claim intellectual superiority and not liking some of the members. For the most part, I find all discussions here interesting, and only a few people need to think twice before flaming others.

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When it all comes crashing down, and someone has to be kept
after school; are YOU going to stick around and pay all the bills ?
When one has a good product going, you don't change the blueprint.
Just look at the numbers... They speak for themselves. They don't lie...
Kerry, had a good thing going in the beginning. It is a business. You
know, book keeping and such...

Doubt Me.... You'll seee...

Tango

" I'm not dancing around this one."

I guess we will see. I find the forum very interesting and valuable and I haven't seen Bill or Kerry post here in ages. So, I don't come here for their posts, but the other wonderful people who are willing to give of themselves in an honorable manner.

Phtha · 08-08-2009, 09:34 PM

Uh oh, Looks like Tango got himself in a Tangle.

I think Kerry is a beautiful person inside and out. As someone mentioned though this is how the mainstream see's things nowadays. Musicians and actors, and I use those words lightly, won't even get looked at unless they have a pretty face and body to sell. Just another example of how we need to seriously fix ourselves before we worry about negative ET's coming in to invade.

I watched the interview again with some friends, last time I only listened to it, and yah the condescending body language was quite apparent from both parties. It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar.

micjer · 08-08-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phtha

It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar.

Trust no one but yourself and take only what you read and hear that feels right.

Myplanet2 · 08-08-2009, 10:58 PM

Tango. Do you get it? You should get it! Women are not objects. A primary component of the shift in progress, is the rise to balance of the feminine. How about let's wake up and smell the new paradigm.

Myplanet2 · 08-08-2009, 11:42 PM

How about the issues under contention?

Greer claimed that B&K's approach was too Anthropocentric.

Def:3. viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values.

B&K claimed that it was irresponsible and dangerous to presume that ET's are not hostile, since nobody knows for sure.

Greer claims there is no evidence of hostile ET intentions, yet didn't precisely define ET. Understandable since he was having to forge ahead while being "hunted" by Kerry. But I inferred from his comments that Greer considers physically oriented beings who travel in physical ships to be ET's, and that the jury has not returned on whether extra dimensional visitors could be considered ET's. He said he had no quibble about some entities being hostile, but that there was no evidence of an ET origin for them. Fair enough. I can see the logic of his not wanting to include the unprovable in his sphere of endeavour, because he means to be able to back up and prove to the establishment, as needed, what the evidence shows. I got the idea he knows much more of the score than he discusses, but keeps on topic because he is much watched and quoted.

One of the most useful comments of the hour was Greer's, that "you can't prove a negative". Another was that "we can keep going around in circles forever".

I think you go in circles when you don't get to the point.

What is the point?

There is disagreement between Greer and B&K. It seems to revolve around the philosophical difference that on the one hand, since there is no evidence of hostile intent from ET's, and since there is belief in the existence of the stipulation that belligerent, hostile humans need to get over that before they'll be able to go out and join the Galaxy at large, it makes most sense to curb our violent, polarized ways, and approach the subject of getting to know ET from a positive outlook, as far as whether to greet them with pointed gun, or open arms. On the other hand, it's proposed that since we don't know the ET's intentions, and since there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support the existence of some dark agenda's often attributed to ET's of corporeal and non-corporeal types alike, that it makes more sense to have a loaded gun handy until we're sure one way or another.

Greer then proposes that much of what B&K think of as dark ET agenda's can just as easily be ascribed to Dark humans masquarading as ET's, or to Dark entities which are of unknown origin, making it unjust to present them as ET's. They could be of earthly origin just as easily as of ET origin.

What is the truth at the centre of what they've been circling around?

And is it an injustice to the ET's to paint them with a anthropocentric brush? Have ET's merged their polarity issues? Have some? Have most? If so, Greer's right. We do them an injustice. Those non-corporeal ET's I have personal experience with, certainly seem to have no issues of polarity. They seem to hold no judgement, and hold true unconditional love for us. At least that's how I'd characterize the ones I know. I've never met any corporeal ones, but the stories my ET friends have told me about them leads me to once again support Greers notion that they are not hostile towards us, even when their actions appear to us to be destructive. And that in most cases, permission for physical interaction is in place at higher levels of consciousness, even when it's forgotten and scary in the fraction of our consciousness invested in these little 3D lives underway here on earth. It was explained to me that some large number of abductions involve "distant relatives". Too long a story to lay out here in this post, but it makes self consistent sense and certainly takes the fear factor out of it.

the MILAB stuff is another issue all together.

What do you think?

Marian-Librarian · 08-09-2009, 02:53 AM

Insighful... comments, as usual.....thanks....MP2

Tone3...well said!

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

Practitioner · 08-09-2009, 03:48 AM

In a lengthy interview, through which there was an opportunity for dedicated researchers to compare and corroborate certain facts, very little evidence of material importance was shared. As scientists and investigators, both Greer and Camelot should be willing lay evidence on the table and have a rational discussion in support their respective views. Instead, we were treated to a largely vague argument and conflict of personal reputation. To that end, the interview could have been better organized. Perhaps it was impromptu.

Greer admitted early in the interview that there are several factors that have restricted disclosure, including geo-political and economic (referring to the consolidated power of those who call themselves majestic). At the same time, I think that both Greer and Camelot realize that the current situation is dynamically changing--the consciousness of people on earth (and perhaps elsewhere) is changing; the environment is changing (perhaps on a cosmic scale)--and likely this makes it difficult for either side offer definitive conclusions.

Have human beings' and other beings' bodies been cloned? Quite likely.

Have extra-terrestrials and/or inter-dimensionals interfered with humankind at a physical and psychological level? Apparently.

Have there existed both 'positive' and 'negative' agendas for power and control? It seems so.

Should people awaken themselves and comport themselves in a positive and vigilant manner? Not a bad idea.

In the end, I'm not sure that Camelot and Greer are really in disagreement. However, I sense that Greer feels restricted in terms of what he is at liberty to pronounce in a public forum.

Ravens and Doves · 08-09-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by viking

I am dissapointed with the way Kerry tried to force her opinion on Greer...

Greer is absolutely right...OUR TICKET TO THE STARS IS PEACE!!!! PERIOD

viking

That video is what you get when you bake three strong alpha apples in pie. Woe be to the black bird.

To Bill and Kerry's credit, they are frank in mentioning that Prj. Cam. has it's own style of agree-to-disagree, engagement type interviewing that they cut loss with on occassion. Not a bad idea with hard-ball pitchers like Greer.

I found it interesting that the Doc mentioned the quarantine. It's also mentioned in the Urantia Book that goes back to the early 1930s and was published in it's final edition in 1955. I spoke with Ray Fowler about it and he, like so many other ufololists, prefered to keep his distance from it because the book comes off like (his word's), "A bunch of people who studied Judeo/Christian culture..."

The U book does mention the "rebel midway creatures" - who are - once you find the paragraphs in the 2100+ pages - and I just bet my pony on this because I recently finished a book on it - ARE THE MINORITY OF MALISCOUS GREYS who followed a higher type of being named Lucifer to a "service to self" (another spot-on U book nugget that's also a nugget in this community) and apossed to "service to others" path.

The three (or four) evolutionary strages of this world that Mariam was shown, the genetic "life modification world" we live on, the "Reserve Corps of Destiny" (Dan Sherman, are you on line?), the tall blonds... it's all in there. And the "Seven Master Spirits" - David Wilcock, you are spot-on.

When all is said and done, there is far more positive than negetive in the universe, but we have the complex misfortune of living on a world where there is negetive adgendas in high places at a time of high stakes change.

If the U B community could get over being afraid of the "tin foil hat UFO nut" lable (the show Sightings called it "The Alien Bible") and we could get over being afraid of people thinking we "Found Jesus in an Edgar Casey era cult"
and join forces, compare notes and..... oh, sisters and brothers, the possibilities.

I've spent two years on my book... and a lifetime on the path. The day of my contact/awakening was an answered prayer - as is finding Project Camelot. I was a lonely nut. Now I'm in a tree with nuttier nuts.

Cheers, no tears, today,

Paul

www.ravensanddoves.com

I had two uncles who labored in Lazar land (Edwards ABF and Groom Lake) who both passed away from strokes. It seems to be a common scurge among people work in those classfied projects. Both my parents were "white hats" and I'm the only dunce cap that popped out of the gene pool.

I'm really torn up inside about the NSA. I don't know weather to love or hate them, but they had me on a leash for a brief period. No harm done to me, but some others.... it's a long story. I can only hope that benevolence has prevalence.

For the sake of amnesty for wistle blowers, horn blowers and green tamborine shakers, and for those who those of us who don't have a ticket to bunk with a Bush, deep in some God forsaken cave, but have had the deams and visions and will tough it out on the top soil.... if - and that's only an IF, we miss the last train to glory and have to join the surival struggle during the longest dark night of the human soul.

Here 'tis. (turn your sound on. I was lucky to get, "One Clear Moment" from Linda Thompson. My favorite song about awaking - "no way to stop it when it comes... the doors blow open."

http://home.earthlink.net/~aic.net

Tango · 08-09-2009, 07:27 AM

I thought PC/PA was supposed to be all about truth; honesty...

Bill, was cut out of most of the interview [half of the team] to the viewer.
A wrinkled drop cloth used for the background...? See, stupid me, I was
under the understanding that Kerry, wanted to be a filmmaker. I heard
she wanted to enter film festivals... You think I was rough...?

One of My people brought a piece of work like that N' I go out of my tree...
The LA Film Festival, is one of the toughest markets; lots of competition.
How is she going to compete....? There is 'Talk' of doing a Movie, Right..!!!

All filmmakers are REAL people. I could post two (2) shorts from filmmakers
from the last competition. but, they are Rated R, [Utube] Strong Language;
Blood, gun fire and this is a PG Rated Site. If it was eyeball to eyeball I
would still give it to Kerry in written form; break it down in even more detail.
Slap MY Face...? For Telling the truth to a filmmaker...? Or, Maybe a Movie
maker...? Wow, You think I was rough... I'm a puppy in comparison to the
LA crowd... I've heard them !!! Now, their rough and graphic... How did
Kerry say it; it's NOT personal. Well My observations Were NOT personal...

So, You want Me to blow sunshine up someone's butt...

How's this for dishonesty:

Great work... Like the personal interaction between interviewer [Host]
and guest... Wow, great body contact and animation of body language
from the interviewer to the guest. Loved the way the interviewer kept
the guest off balance. Who was the voice on the left...? Off camera...
Nice touch... Crazy about the use facial expressions of the interviewer
during the guests answers, really added emotion to the whole scene.
What a GREAT Style... Wished the guest could have answered faster
so the interviewer could have asked even more different, questions of
the guest. Seems like the guest couldn't keep up with the interview,
he was always running behind in his answers. The waving of the
interviewers arms while the guest tried to answer was just sooo special.
And, the pushing of the guests arm got just the perfect reaction from
the guest. Oh Yeah, and thanks for bringing out all that New information
from the guest. He was able to make his points sooo clearly with the
interviewers help. It appears the Main interviewer has lost a considerable
amount of weight in the last couple of months. And her attire was so
slimming and attractive, could we find out where she shops...? I can tell
this interviewer is going to REALLY Go Places as a Host. Such a friendly
demeaner and attitude from the host. And, at the end the story from
Her co-host. We hardly knew he was there... He, must Not like to ask
many questions or have much to say... It was just sooo exciting to
watch the New Professional Style interviews are done in. Wow, she's
a REAL Professional Filmmaker... I just couldn't take my eyes off the
screen. What a riveting interview... [END]

So I ask you Marian... Is that Bright Sunshine [B.S.] enough...?

Wow... She's going to shoot a Movie... A REAL Movie maker. WOW

Eeck,

Tango

I Never, could play a phony... disgusting...

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Originally Posted by Marian-Librarian

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

celticwarrior · 08-09-2009, 10:39 AM

Well, there's one sure thing about writing on the forum here, is that I won't get interrupted!
I have to say that I enjoyed the interview/debate or whatever you want to call it. Would love to see the stats like in football matches - like who had possession of the ball for what percentage of the game - who was sent off, number of fouls committed, red cards, own goals, number of goals and who scored.
Anyone any ideas how that would read for this video?

I do like Steven Greer, and I do like K & B, but have definitely a lot more respect for Steven after his admirable ability to remain cool and calm in this sustained barrage.

Bring on the next victim!!!

Anchor · 08-09-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tango

I thought PC/PA was supposed to be all about truth; honesty...

Bill, was cut out of most of the interview [half of the team] to the viewer.
A wrinkled drop cloth used for the background...? See, stupid me, I was
under the understanding that Kerry, wanted to be a filmmaker. I heard
she wanted to enter film festivals... You think I was rough...?

One of My people brought a piece of work like that N' I go out of my tree...
The LA Film Festival, is one of the toughest markets; lots of competition.
How is she going to compete....? There is 'Talk' of doing a Movie, Right..!!!

I don't think they are going for awards or commercial success. They don't have the time or the budget to do much better and they are trying to get as many viewpoints out as possible.

I am usually very wary of people who worry about commercial aspects of things all the time - beyond the practical basics. So I am glad that Bill and Kerry just do things the way they do - sure you have to tolerate some rough edges but its better than not getting the opportunities to see these perspectives at all.

A..

burgundia · 08-09-2009, 01:12 PM

the interview is not a movie with beautiful actors and actresses playing their roles, wearing tons of make-up. the fact that for Kerry it was not important to look "pretty" says a lot. The remarks about her looks were rude. Did you criticize Bill's looks too? His weight, his hairstyle, his clothes?

tone3jaguar · 08-09-2009, 01:34 PM

I have decided that Tango is a Fox News Writer

THE eXchanger · 08-09-2009, 02:21 PM

it takes two to tango

and, i enjoyed his satire on the performance

i think, he was only trying to make some suggestions
on how Kerrie & Bill, could improve things
and, there is truth, they could definitely alter/change & shift
this attitude - of, this is "the way" we "interview"
as, they are going to find, less and less people
willing to suject themselves, to this type of treatment

and, if there are three people in an interview
i'd like to see all of them - NOT just one / or two of them

and, i think Kerrie, needs to ask a question
and, let the person she's interviewing give a complete answer
and, keep her personal beliefs and personal opinions
in a seperate section

perhaps; an useful idea
would be: at the end
3 minutes from Bill Ryan about the interview
3 minutes from Kerrie Cassidy about the interview
and, perhaps 3 minutes - of useful information
about the importance of people supporting their mission ?

Quantum · 08-09-2009, 04:01 PM

I'm a new member here and don't generally post on internet forms but when I viewed this Steven Greer discussion with Project Camelot I felt compelled to join this forum.

I have been researching and actively developing Free Energy systems for nearly nine years. I remember when I first came across the Disclosure Project and saw samples of the witness testimony. Back then I believe they were selling most of the project video and only a limited amount was available on their website.

As the years went by, I wondered why this disclosure information did not seem to gather any traction in the mainstream or even more broadly on the internet... Greer seemed determined to get this information out.
Then one day someone in my own network of contacts mentioned Greer was intentionally managing the witnesses who got exposure and those that didn't. My contact went on to say he had a friend who was brought to the press event to make a statement but the day of the event was told he would not be going in front of the press. Greer's people (security?) made sure that he did not have a chance to talk to anyone during the announcements.

This contact went on to say Greer's funding appeared derived from suspicious sources and possibly the whole operation was a controlled and managed "disclosure". (Fox guarding the hen house)

Fast forward to Greer's Orion project. Now Greer wants to help suppressed inventors release their technology. Same story here. Greer's organization seems to like to keep tabs on everyone, but doesn't actually produce results. Two fellow inventors/engineers I know personally were offered help... then when the devices were disclosed to Greer, he didn't follow through with funding... or the potential funding had very restrictive conditions tied to it... i.e. Greer's organization would require control.

I know myself Greer has had the opportunity to help bring working Free Energy devices to market... he has not done so.

These are my personal observations. I know Free Energy devices are not only real, but simply waiting to be brought out. The only thing hampering their release is the capitalistic greed paradigm used to control not only the inventor, but the technologies.

Peace!

Christo888 · 08-09-2009, 04:03 PM

Well I certainly have an upgraded respect for Dr. Greer's knowledge and ability to meet with world leaders and have access to black ops or secret projects... not many can say this. And if he has refused or ignored Kerry & Bill for quite sometime I can see now how Kerry broke through the staunchness of Dr. Greer to get his attention and bring him back down to Earth where we all are. For whatever reason or what is being hidden in the background ... Kerry & Bill are going to bring this out somehow! Certainly what Kerry did worked!!!! Dr. Greer said a lot of things he probably would not have normally blurted out but by being taken off his own agenda he had to defend himself with what he could pull out of his experience in the moment without taking time to think about it!!! Well done Kerry!!

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? Did something hit a nerve with Kerry and Dr. Greer? Did you want to interview Dr. Greer and you have never been able too? Are you looking for recognition for something? What do you want?

Unified Serenity · 08-09-2009, 04:10 PM

If one wants to point out interviewing methodology fine, but to denigrate Kerry for her looks is inexcusable and shows how shallow some can be. It would be pretty easy to edit a number of videos pc has done and produce a slick cd / movie regarding the topics typical of pc interests with or without less than stellar interviewing gaffs.

As for letting someone like Greer give a full answer, that is debatable as he can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk until someone does cut him off. That being said, if he is staying on subject let him get out a full sentence, but if he is veering into professor speak and switch the subject tactics then redirect the conversation.

I would have personally liked there to be some ground rules up front if they felt Greer was likely to talk ad nauseum and defeat the opportunity to cover enough ground. Say up front that you have X number of questions and he has X number of minutes to give a clear answer and that you will redirect if you feel that is not happening. Then at the end share their own personal views of what was shared, and give their reasoning in an equally concise manner. That's at least how I would do it, but then again, that's my style. Of course there is interchange during an interview, but when it breaks down into hyper emotionalism then it's pretty uncomfortable to watch. I don't like having multiple interviewers as it can seem like ganging up or competition to get your voice heard. That's why I like scripted questions that one can add onto if the conversation goes that way.

I would have liked a special video done by Bill and Kerry regarding what happened at the conferences that got everyone up in arms. I did like Kerry's explanation at the last conference, but one has to try to find that video to see it. Just my two bits worth.

Hiram · 08-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Well, thank you for your information Quantum, and welcome.

There was certainly a conflict of personalities here...Dr. Greer, with his controlled stentorian, plodding, sometimes painfully (I will never actually finish speaking unless stopped) rythm,

and Kerry, with her passionate, rapid, (yes I have meditated, and remote viewed and met my own witnesses, and you are not the pedagogue you think you are) mentality.

Not an interview in the classic sense at all. An exchange of views with more emotion than the viewer is accustomed to seeing...and thats where the discomfort comes from.

One can critique Kerry all they like, it really doesn't change anything. I feel like Dr. Greer has some very serious issues he himself has to answer for every morning when he looks in the mirror at himself. And by that, I mean we all....all of us on this forum should be suspicious and rejecting of those who seek to control information.

I find this attempt at control repellent in every way...and that is why Project Camelot is superior to EVERY OTHER FORUM OR GROUP OUT THERE right now. They don't try to control the information. They are giving it to us...free of charge, the only cost is our loss of innocence perhaps.

And that...is why when you see Steven Greer look at Kerry when she is speaking..he has a look of disdain in his eyes. That is why DB now despises...and really can't hack it at PC. His style of hiding things doesn't work here. Its like oil and water...the two can't mix.

Those who seek to conceal and control information cannot stand to be around those who are open. It exposes them for the heathens that they are.

I'm not saying we know all thats happening behind the scenes...but so far my heart and my mind tells me this is the best thing going. I've never been wrong about this sort of thing before and I trust that.

Lets love our family here at PC...despite their foibles and shortcomings. Their positives far outweigh the negatives. And you will not find the freedom and openness other places.

burgundia · 08-09-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Christo888

Well

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? for something?

It looks like that....i have to go back and reread all the characteristics of a disinfo agent....

Tango · 08-09-2009, 06:07 PM

Not happy with this NEW 'Style' of interview... I see it as DESTRUCTIVE...
Including to the PC/PA Site; members; viewers... Future guests.
I'd like things [interviews] to go back to the way they were just 1 year ago...

And, YES a nerve has been Hit... Hard... Antics don't win popularity contests.
I don't see Bill doing such antics; stunts; Hit pieces... So Why is this
happening ? And, its a serious question... camelot provided a Service for
many Before... It's all changed...

I'd like to see the focus --Back where it was; on the "information..."
DP's and Camera operators and editors are very honorable positions
The trouble only started when the original camera operator; DP, came in
front of the camera to do interviews. That's where it started. That's when
the numbers started to Drop. Than, the Script was flipped when this became
a Pay Site...

I have ZERO interest in Greer. To me he is a 'bone collector' of information.
[The information goes in and never comes out]
And, I won't lower myself to respond to the rest. I'm not going to restate
what I've said in previous threads.

Trooly,

Tango

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Originally Posted by Christo888

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? Did something hit a nerve with Kerry and Dr. Greer? Did you want to interview Dr. Greer and you have never been able too? Are you looking for recognition for something? What do you want?

Christo888 · 08-09-2009, 07:52 PM

Well Tango, I'm sure David Wilcox's forum could use someone of your caliber... Seeing as how PC and PA are now so diminished why wait!

I see a very well planned and thought out strategy by Kerry to get Dr. Greer in a seat and on camera for many reasons.

Try to get someones attention who thinks that you are just a peon and of no relevance to the future because the 200 to 300 people that manage 500 trillion dollars are the ones that matter!!! And someone with a personal agenda to control the next wave of energy devices

... that is not going to happen!!

Quantum · 08-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Thank you for the welcome, Hiram.

I'd like to add another observation regarding Greer.

At the close of the Exopolitics Summit I remember Project Camelot reporting about an incident involving a group of Spanish delegates including Free Energy inventors, attempted to announce from the stage they had been threatened by Greer.

Although I've not been told that directly by any of my contacts, it would not surprise me if indeed something like this did occur. It may have been significantly more than a "misunderstanding" due to the language barrier.

My reason for being critical of Greer is that I feel he's appointed himself "gatekeeper" while many of the "awake" public appear to look to him for solutions.

If the public wants solutions to energy and other environmental crisis they only need to change their mind about the existence of it and support it. Those that have the technology are being hidden by Greer... he's neither the expert for the public nor the ally of the inventor. Far from it.

Peace!

08-08-2009, 07:42 PM	#76
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Tango, this is a forum about the truth. Lets keep the Inside Edition / Entertainment Tonight / Fox News paradigms out of here.

08-08-2009, 08:17 PM	#77
5thDensity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Afganistan Posts: 17	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion [QUOTE=THEWATCHER;159978]QUOTE.............. I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website. Burisch had worked with greys and orions in black projects, both are in my opinion negative ET`s. So he may be crackpot and disinfo.Greer wit his project orion, also refering to those negative ET`s. If that interview was "staged" by PC, we may hear some clarification soon. Last edited by 5thDensity; 08-08-2009 at 09:56 PM.

08-08-2009, 08:22 PM	#78
twoRone Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 104	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion watched the interview, and thought it was decent but like others stated, should have been much more about Dr. Greer and his experiences and work, then the BOTH of them (K&B) shoving their perspective down his throat.. great scott! .. it was hard to watch once the badgering started.. I now have an even greater respect for Dr. Greer and what he's up against with the world public.. that's a larger challenge than dealing with the world's politicians IMO.. the trick here, it seems, is the true separation between off-world ET civilisations and the genetic experiments of the black ops dickheads and the confusion they are trying to create (successfully I should add) and kerry and bill being caught right up in it.. they are out of the box thinkers but they need to step out into the next layer and see the even larger picture to get a true definition of "good and bad" ... Bill's analogy of the island and campfire just showed how restrictive the human thought process really is.. fear first, it's safer that way... I guess we're "only human" old paradigm thought processes IMO.. decent interview though, K&B, you just need to keep your emotions and pre-interview comments in check... and can the finger shaking.. that was rude! on to the next!! Last edited by twoRone; 08-08-2009 at 08:27 PM.

08-08-2009, 09:34 PM	#80
Phtha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 947	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Uh oh, Looks like Tango got himself in a Tangle. I think Kerry is a beautiful person inside and out. As someone mentioned though this is how the mainstream see's things nowadays. Musicians and actors, and I use those words lightly, won't even get looked at unless they have a pretty face and body to sell. Just another example of how we need to seriously fix ourselves before we worry about negative ET's coming in to invade. I watched the interview again with some friends, last time I only listened to it, and yah the condescending body language was quite apparent from both parties. It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say.. I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story. Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar.

08-08-2009, 10:58 PM	#82
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Tango. Do you get it? You should get it! Women are not objects. A primary component of the shift in progress, is the rise to balance of the feminine. How about let's wake up and smell the new paradigm.

08-08-2009, 11:42 PM	#83
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion How about the issues under contention? Greer claimed that B&K's approach was too Anthropocentric. Def:3. viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values. B&K claimed that it was irresponsible and dangerous to presume that ET's are not hostile, since nobody knows for sure. Greer claims there is no evidence of hostile ET intentions, yet didn't precisely define ET. Understandable since he was having to forge ahead while being "hunted" by Kerry. But I inferred from his comments that Greer considers physically oriented beings who travel in physical ships to be ET's, and that the jury has not returned on whether extra dimensional visitors could be considered ET's. He said he had no quibble about some entities being hostile, but that there was no evidence of an ET origin for them. Fair enough. I can see the logic of his not wanting to include the unprovable in his sphere of endeavour, because he means to be able to back up and prove to the establishment, as needed, what the evidence shows. I got the idea he knows much more of the score than he discusses, but keeps on topic because he is much watched and quoted. One of the most useful comments of the hour was Greer's, that "you can't prove a negative". Another was that "we can keep going around in circles forever". I think you go in circles when you don't get to the point. What is the point? There is disagreement between Greer and B&K. It seems to revolve around the philosophical difference that on the one hand, since there is no evidence of hostile intent from ET's, and since there is belief in the existence of the stipulation that belligerent, hostile humans need to get over that before they'll be able to go out and join the Galaxy at large, it makes most sense to curb our violent, polarized ways, and approach the subject of getting to know ET from a positive outlook, as far as whether to greet them with pointed gun, or open arms. On the other hand, it's proposed that since we don't know the ET's intentions, and since there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support the existence of some dark agenda's often attributed to ET's of corporeal and non-corporeal types alike, that it makes more sense to have a loaded gun handy until we're sure one way or another. Greer then proposes that much of what B&K think of as dark ET agenda's can just as easily be ascribed to Dark humans masquarading as ET's, or to Dark entities which are of unknown origin, making it unjust to present them as ET's. They could be of earthly origin just as easily as of ET origin. What is the truth at the centre of what they've been circling around? And is it an injustice to the ET's to paint them with a anthropocentric brush? Have ET's merged their polarity issues? Have some? Have most? If so, Greer's right. We do them an injustice. Those non-corporeal ET's I have personal experience with, certainly seem to have no issues of polarity. They seem to hold no judgement, and hold true unconditional love for us. At least that's how I'd characterize the ones I know. I've never met any corporeal ones, but the stories my ET friends have told me about them leads me to once again support Greers notion that they are not hostile towards us, even when their actions appear to us to be destructive. And that in most cases, permission for physical interaction is in place at higher levels of consciousness, even when it's forgotten and scary in the fraction of our consciousness invested in these little 3D lives underway here on earth. It was explained to me that some large number of abductions involve "distant relatives". Too long a story to lay out here in this post, but it makes self consistent sense and certainly takes the fear factor out of it. the MILAB stuff is another issue all together. What do you think?

08-09-2009, 02:53 AM	#84
Marian-Librarian Project Avalon Researcher Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 120	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Insighful... comments, as usual.....thanks....MP2 Tone3...well said! Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion.... that's hard to take....and negates your good post points.... It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace.... What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face? I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

08-09-2009, 03:48 AM	#85
Practitioner Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion In a lengthy interview, through which there was an opportunity for dedicated researchers to compare and corroborate certain facts, very little evidence of material importance was shared. As scientists and investigators, both Greer and Camelot should be willing lay evidence on the table and have a rational discussion in support their respective views. Instead, we were treated to a largely vague argument and conflict of personal reputation. To that end, the interview could have been better organized. Perhaps it was impromptu. Greer admitted early in the interview that there are several factors that have restricted disclosure, including geo-political and economic (referring to the consolidated power of those who call themselves majestic). At the same time, I think that both Greer and Camelot realize that the current situation is dynamically changing--the consciousness of people on earth (and perhaps elsewhere) is changing; the environment is changing (perhaps on a cosmic scale)--and likely this makes it difficult for either side offer definitive conclusions. Have human beings' and other beings' bodies been cloned? Quite likely. Have extra-terrestrials and/or inter-dimensionals interfered with humankind at a physical and psychological level? Apparently. Have there existed both 'positive' and 'negative' agendas for power and control? It seems so. Should people awaken themselves and comport themselves in a positive and vigilant manner? Not a bad idea. In the end, I'm not sure that Camelot and Greer are really in disagreement. However, I sense that Greer feels restricted in terms of what he is at liberty to pronounce in a public forum.

08-09-2009, 10:39 AM	#88
celticwarrior Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 15	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Well, there's one sure thing about writing on the forum here, is that I won't get interrupted! I have to say that I enjoyed the interview/debate or whatever you want to call it. Would love to see the stats like in football matches - like who had possession of the ball for what percentage of the game - who was sent off, number of fouls committed, red cards, own goals, number of goals and who scored. Anyone any ideas how that would read for this video? I do like Steven Greer, and I do like K & B, but have definitely a lot more respect for Steven after his admirable ability to remain cool and calm in this sustained barrage. Bring on the next victim!!!

08-09-2009, 01:12 PM	#90
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion the interview is not a movie with beautiful actors and actresses playing their roles, wearing tons of make-up. the fact that for Kerry it was not important to look "pretty" says a lot. The remarks about her looks were rude. Did you criticize Bill's looks too? His weight, his hairstyle, his clothes?

08-09-2009, 01:34 PM	#91
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I have decided that Tango is a Fox News Writer

08-09-2009, 02:21 PM	#92
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion it takes two to tango and, i enjoyed his satire on the performance i think, he was only trying to make some suggestions on how Kerrie & Bill, could improve things and, there is truth, they could definitely alter/change & shift this attitude - of, this is "the way" we "interview" as, they are going to find, less and less people willing to suject themselves, to this type of treatment and, if there are three people in an interview i'd like to see all of them - NOT just one / or two of them and, i think Kerrie, needs to ask a question and, let the person she's interviewing give a complete answer and, keep her personal beliefs and personal opinions in a seperate section perhaps; an useful idea would be: at the end 3 minutes from Bill Ryan about the interview 3 minutes from Kerrie Cassidy about the interview and, perhaps 3 minutes - of useful information about the importance of people supporting their mission ?

08-09-2009, 04:01 PM	#93
Quantum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion I'm a new member here and don't generally post on internet forms but when I viewed this Steven Greer discussion with Project Camelot I felt compelled to join this forum. I have been researching and actively developing Free Energy systems for nearly nine years. I remember when I first came across the Disclosure Project and saw samples of the witness testimony. Back then I believe they were selling most of the project video and only a limited amount was available on their website. As the years went by, I wondered why this disclosure information did not seem to gather any traction in the mainstream or even more broadly on the internet... Greer seemed determined to get this information out. Then one day someone in my own network of contacts mentioned Greer was intentionally managing the witnesses who got exposure and those that didn't. My contact went on to say he had a friend who was brought to the press event to make a statement but the day of the event was told he would not be going in front of the press. Greer's people (security?) made sure that he did not have a chance to talk to anyone during the announcements. This contact went on to say Greer's funding appeared derived from suspicious sources and possibly the whole operation was a controlled and managed "disclosure". (Fox guarding the hen house) Fast forward to Greer's Orion project. Now Greer wants to help suppressed inventors release their technology. Same story here. Greer's organization seems to like to keep tabs on everyone, but doesn't actually produce results. Two fellow inventors/engineers I know personally were offered help... then when the devices were disclosed to Greer, he didn't follow through with funding... or the potential funding had very restrictive conditions tied to it... i.e. Greer's organization would require control. I know myself Greer has had the opportunity to help bring working Free Energy devices to market... he has not done so. These are my personal observations. I know Free Energy devices are not only real, but simply waiting to be brought out. The only thing hampering their release is the capitalistic greed paradigm used to control not only the inventor, but the technologies. Peace!

08-09-2009, 04:03 PM	#94
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Well I certainly have an upgraded respect for Dr. Greer's knowledge and ability to meet with world leaders and have access to black ops or secret projects... not many can say this. And if he has refused or ignored Kerry & Bill for quite sometime I can see now how Kerry broke through the staunchness of Dr. Greer to get his attention and bring him back down to Earth where we all are. For whatever reason or what is being hidden in the background ... Kerry & Bill are going to bring this out somehow! Certainly what Kerry did worked!!!! Dr. Greer said a lot of things he probably would not have normally blurted out but by being taken off his own agenda he had to defend himself with what he could pull out of his experience in the moment without taking time to think about it!!! Well done Kerry!! And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? Did something hit a nerve with Kerry and Dr. Greer? Did you want to interview Dr. Greer and you have never been able too? Are you looking for recognition for something? What do you want? Last edited by Christo888; 08-09-2009 at 07:43 PM.

08-09-2009, 04:10 PM	#95
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion If one wants to point out interviewing methodology fine, but to denigrate Kerry for her looks is inexcusable and shows how shallow some can be. It would be pretty easy to edit a number of videos pc has done and produce a slick cd / movie regarding the topics typical of pc interests with or without less than stellar interviewing gaffs. As for letting someone like Greer give a full answer, that is debatable as he can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk until someone does cut him off. That being said, if he is staying on subject let him get out a full sentence, but if he is veering into professor speak and switch the subject tactics then redirect the conversation. I would have personally liked there to be some ground rules up front if they felt Greer was likely to talk ad nauseum and defeat the opportunity to cover enough ground. Say up front that you have X number of questions and he has X number of minutes to give a clear answer and that you will redirect if you feel that is not happening. Then at the end share their own personal views of what was shared, and give their reasoning in an equally concise manner. That's at least how I would do it, but then again, that's my style. Of course there is interchange during an interview, but when it breaks down into hyper emotionalism then it's pretty uncomfortable to watch. I don't like having multiple interviewers as it can seem like ganging up or competition to get your voice heard. That's why I like scripted questions that one can add onto if the conversation goes that way. I would have liked a special video done by Bill and Kerry regarding what happened at the conferences that got everyone up in arms. I did like Kerry's explanation at the last conference, but one has to try to find that video to see it. Just my two bits worth.

08-09-2009, 05:09 PM	#96
Hiram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 119	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Well, thank you for your information Quantum, and welcome. There was certainly a conflict of personalities here...Dr. Greer, with his controlled stentorian, plodding, sometimes painfully (I will never actually finish speaking unless stopped) rythm, and Kerry, with her passionate, rapid, (yes I have meditated, and remote viewed and met my own witnesses, and you are not the pedagogue you think you are) mentality. Not an interview in the classic sense at all. An exchange of views with more emotion than the viewer is accustomed to seeing...and thats where the discomfort comes from. One can critique Kerry all they like, it really doesn't change anything. I feel like Dr. Greer has some very serious issues he himself has to answer for every morning when he looks in the mirror at himself. And by that, I mean we all....all of us on this forum should be suspicious and rejecting of those who seek to control information. I find this attempt at control repellent in every way...and that is why Project Camelot is superior to EVERY OTHER FORUM OR GROUP OUT THERE right now. They don't try to control the information. They are giving it to us...free of charge, the only cost is our loss of innocence perhaps. And that...is why when you see Steven Greer look at Kerry when she is speaking..he has a look of disdain in his eyes. That is why DB now despises...and really can't hack it at PC. His style of hiding things doesn't work here. Its like oil and water...the two can't mix. Those who seek to conceal and control information cannot stand to be around those who are open. It exposes them for the heathens that they are. I'm not saying we know all thats happening behind the scenes...but so far my heart and my mind tells me this is the best thing going. I've never been wrong about this sort of thing before and I trust that. Lets love our family here at PC...despite their foibles and shortcomings. Their positives far outweigh the negatives. And you will not find the freedom and openness other places.

08-09-2009, 07:52 PM	#99
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Well Tango, I'm sure David Wilcox's forum could use someone of your caliber... Seeing as how PC and PA are now so diminished why wait! I see a very well planned and thought out strategy by Kerry to get Dr. Greer in a seat and on camera for many reasons. Try to get someones attention who thinks that you are just a peon and of no relevance to the future because the 200 to 300 people that manage 500 trillion dollars are the ones that matter!!! And someone with a personal agenda to control the next wave of energy devices ... that is not going to happen!!

08-09-2009, 08:31 PM	#100
Quantum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12	Re: Steven Greer Interview Discussion Thank you for the welcome, Hiram. I'd like to add another observation regarding Greer. At the close of the Exopolitics Summit I remember Project Camelot reporting about an incident involving a group of Spanish delegates including Free Energy inventors, attempted to announce from the stage they had been threatened by Greer. Although I've not been told that directly by any of my contacts, it would not surprise me if indeed something like this did occur. It may have been significantly more than a "misunderstanding" due to the language barrier. My reason for being critical of Greer is that I feel he's appointed himself "gatekeeper" while many of the "awake" public appear to look to him for solutions. If the public wants solutions to energy and other environmental crisis they only need to change their mind about the existence of it and support it. Those that have the technology are being hidden by Greer... he's neither the expert for the public nor the ally of the inventor. Far from it. Peace!