09/18/09 Webbot Cliff High with Veritas Show

[manticore]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Mel: Recently I have been feeling jaded from the "whistleblowers" so called testimonies, mixed with disinfo. Its the same old....blah....blah. If it leaves the listener confused and uncertain as to whats the truth, then whats the point in listening to them anymore.

So, I think most of us know enough now to move forward & lets start turning the tide to a more positive approach.

So Mel.....I am asking you to consider interviewing some people who have already started the new paradigm......whether it be new communities, new sources of energy....whatever it is. I just know there are many unsung heroes (groundcrew) out there who need a opportunity to share their work with the world & to give hope to all. So, imo. now is the time to start a new journey.

What do you think Mel.

Thank you for your hard work.

I know exactly what you mean. One has to be very careful with disinformation.

Actually, what you propose I have already started. It has nothing to do with whistleblowers, but with people who are not that high profile but who have great knowledge and wisdom. Take Pane "Astralwalker" Andov as an example. He has the most popular thread on this forum. No one wanted to give him the opportunity to be interviewed and I did. It is a 4-hour show and it is still one of our most popular ones (still holds the time record).

Cheers,

Mel

[Sarahmay]

This was a great interview with Clif, and well worth subscribing for. Thanks, Mel.

[manticore]

Thanks sarahmay.

All the best,

Mel

[Tango]

Welll, Mel Fabregas, Your a hell of a salesmen...

I give You my word; I'll NEVER, Never ever listen to anything You ever

put out again... But, You've inspired Me... I'm going to go over to RMN Radio

Right Now and give them 100.00... N'know why, cause Raye doesn't DEMAND.

Come to think of it... I'm going to give George, a 100.00 too...

You keep 'Paying it Forward' buddy.

Have a great show in the future...

Verry trooly,

Tango

[manticore]

Hello Tango,

Are you paying $5 per month on this forum or are you in for free because you contribute in other ways? I ask because I also have a FREE SUBSCRIPTION offer for those who do something for my movement too. It's called reciprocity. Here's the laughable part. You disagree because I charge $5 a month, when you are here paying $5 a month to argue your point. Why are you not upset at Project Camelot for charging? They need to survive! That's why. And people who are here on this forum understand it. So, aren't you contradicting yourself? No one is forcing you to be here (paying) nor forcing you to listen to my show (paying). You have options: Pay or contribute with value. Now, that's a fair arrangements in today's paradigm.

Oh, and don't forget that RMN and others survive on their commercial sponsorships. Without commercials, donations don't go far, as expenses come back every month. You should know that.

Happy trails buddy!

Mel

P.S. I could post many e-mails like the one below, but I won't. One is enough to convey the message. It's refreshing to see most people truly get it!

Mel,

I sat up till 12 last night listening to the Cliff High interview. I have heard them all and this was one of*his best ones ever. Why? Because you LET THE MAN TALK. Most interviewers can't resist jumping in and breaking the rhythm of their guest. I learned a lot and was also excited to hear you ask questions that I myself have been dying to ask the man. I cannot get over how many times this genius has been interviewed and he patiently answers the most mind numbing questions you can imagine from the worst interviewers I have ever heard. I am a carpenter by trade and also an herbalist and if I can tell someone sucks then there is a problem. You don't suck.
*
Don't let people here upset you. You have every right to charge for your time, it's time spent away from your family and other activities you could be doing, but instead you are bringing these shows to people you will never meet and helping put information out there so we can train ourselves to distinguish between disinfo and information we can use. I personally appreciate it and have subscribed.
*
Thanks

[Debi5]

I think Mel is one of the better interviewers.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i enjoy the veritas show , i stumbled on it on google video so i get to listen to interveiws that are many months old but the information is timeless. i have no bank account so will have to wait for cliff to do his next radio interview in october or whenever it is..

perhaps time is short for him (webbot) if they start censoring the net ect. i understand he only may have till around the end of theyear.. anyway ill try and get a friend to do the trnasaction for a few months subscription..

i like the format of veritas radio..

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Debi5

I think Mel is one of the better interviewers.

Thank you Debi5!

All the best,

Mel

[manticore]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

i enjoy the veritas show , i stumbled on it on google video so i get to listen to interveiws that are many months old but the information is timeless. i have no bank account so will have to wait for cliff to do his next radio interview in october or whenever it is..

perhaps time is short for him (webbot) if they start censoring the net ect. i understand he only may have till around the end of theyear.. anyway ill try and get a friend to do the trnasaction for a few months subscription..

i like the format of veritas radio..

Thanks for your understanding pineal-pilot-in merkabah. By the way, I love your avatar and username.

Yes, let's all write down important IP addresses (just like we write telephone numbers today) in the event someone pulls the plug on the internet (Senate Bill S773 wants to do just that).

Cheers,

Mel

[Tango]

I just did a federal records search on You... Your a pilot according to the FAA
Public records... You own a aircraft... I haven't done a state search yet...

Avalon is a community... Cliff, goes on several radio stations: Pays it forward.

Now, You, add drama to his interview... The people on this site don't have
a lot of money... More drama; the internet is going to go down... B.S. its on
to many servers... You, come to this Site to sell subscriptions... For Your
Site... Where are peoples ethics in these years... No, No, I won't bother
you; go ahead and pick those bones. Its YOUR methods... DRAMA...

As your defence; You don't use advertisors...? OK...

You threat use of an attorney to these people... With No money.

I gotta go... Before, I lose it completely. Just listen with your mind

I tell what I think of Your ethics...

Originally Posted by manticore

Hello Tango,

Are you paying $5 per month on this forum or are you in for free because you contribute in other ways? I ask because I also have a FREE SUBSCRIPTION offer for those who do something for my movement too. It's called reciprocity. Here's the laughable part. You disagree because I charge $5 a month, when you are here paying $5 a month to argue your point. Why are you not upset at Project Camelot for charging? They need to survive! That's why. And people who are here on this forum understand it. So, aren't you contradicting yourself? No one is forcing you to be here (paying) nor forcing you to listen to my show (paying). You have options: Pay or contribute with value. Now, that's a fair arrangements in today's paradigm.

Oh, and don't forget that RMN and others survive on their commercial sponsorships. Without commercials, donations don't go far, as expenses come back every month. You should know that.

Happy trails buddy!

Mel

P.S. I could post many e-mails like the one below, but I won't. One is enough to convey the message. It's refreshing to see most people truly get it!

[Angel in Disguise]

[Angel in Disguise]

I'm just sitting back here as an observer, but I will tell my tale.
I am a hairstylist (good one)... I have people befriend me all the time for haircuts or colors. I have learned to say no because I see that they have way more than me (which I don't envy)... or always offer services that they never provide (getting them to follow through on their offer is like pulling teeth)... Even though they always come back for hair services .
However, I've come to the conclusion that if you own a house and I'm still renting, or if you drive the latest high end vehicle while I'm still driving a 76 Blazer or 98 Cavalier then damn rights you should pay the price I charge. I have spent endelss hours training and spending money to get educated in my field which reflects in my work... I might give ya a few freebies but if I don't see the reciprocation you are getting charged full price and then some.
I do give discounts to those unfortunate that appreciate my work, however to give discount to someone who has so much more than me seems like a burn. I have things I need to do and acquire as a groundcrew member. Perhaps not what others are trying to attain, but I have to build it for survival and to help others. That is my goal and I am charging what I am worth meanwhile educating every single one that sits in my chair as to what is happening in the world. Some seem to come for that more than for an amazing hairdo!...

[waitinginthewings]

Mel: to be honest I have observed in this forum that offering free memberhship has not increased the membership, at least not, the ones that are posting? So I don't think thats the solution either.

So I return back to what I said earlier, we are straddling the threshold of 2 paradigms now & we need to figure out how we move fully into the new one.

Forget the old, & carefully with well thought out steps move into the new. We have to do this, for the time is upon us now. There is no room here for threats, accusations etc. for they will only serve to entrap us still in the old ways of doing things.

We are at the frontier of our new world. So lets pull together and work this out. We are all on the same team.

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

I'm just sitting back here as an observer, but I will tell my tale.
I am a hairstylist (good one)... I have people befriend me all the time for haircuts or colors. I have learned to say no because I see that they have way more than me (which I don't envy)... or always offer services that they never provide (getting them to follow through on their offer is like pulling teeth)... Even though they always come back for hair services .
However, I've come to the conclusion that if you own a house and I'm still renting, or if you drive the latest high end vehicle while I'm still driving a 76 Blazer or 98 Cavalier then damn rights you should pay the price I charge. I have spent endelss hours training and spending money to get educated in my field which reflects in my work... I might give ya a few freebies but if I don't see the reciprocation you are getting charged full price and then some.
I do give discounts to those unfortunate that appreciate my work, however to give discount to someone who has so much more than me seems like a burn. I have things I need to do and acquire as a groundcrew member. Perhaps not what others are trying to attain, but I have to build it for survival and to help others. That is my goal and I am charging what I am worth meanwhile educating every single one that sits in my chair as to what is happening in the world. Some seem to come for that more than for an amazing hairdo!...

I could not have said that better. You can apply that to any career. Thanks for sharing your story.

All the best,

Mel

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Tango

I just did a federal records search on You... Your a pilot according to the FAA
Public records... You own a aircraft... I haven't done a state search yet...

Avalon is a community... Cliff, goes on several radio stations: Pays it forward.

Now, You, add drama to his interview... The people on this site don't have
a lot of money... More drama; the internet is going to go down... B.S. its on
to many servers... You, come to this Site to sell subscriptions... For Your
Site... Where are peoples ethics in these years... No, No, I won't bother
you; go ahead and pick those bones. Its YOUR methods... DRAMA...

As your defence; You don't use advertisors...? OK...

You threat use of an attorney to these people... With No money.

I gotta go... Before, I lose it completely. Just listen with your mind

I tell what I think of Your ethics...

Oh, you're one of those who craves attention and loves to engage. Good luck digging. Too bad that is how you choose to contribute to this forum.

This will be the last time I give you the courtesy of responding. You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't threaten anyone. I'm very aware that many are suffering financially and that is why I provide a FREE SUBSCRIPTION to those who can't afford it. I simply announced that my material is copyrighted and I was contacting those who uploaded it to YouTube (not to the ones who posted it here, since I would also have thought it was fair game) without consulting with me. You're parsing words and trying to gain sympathy from others by putting them against me. There are too many bright minds here to fall for that trap.

I would rather spend my time productively researching what matters, including what you claim to be "drama about the internet going down."

Read S.773 - Cybersecurity Act of 2009.

FEDS MOVE TO CONTROL INTERNET

By Victor Thorn
“Barack Obama wants to shut down the Internet. He’s becoming Big Brother.”

These types of accusations are plaguing the highly criticized Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (S. 773). However, at this time, the government cannot terminate the Internet for any extended duration as there is not a “switch” that can be flipped to shut it down.

The reason is that U.S. Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are independent entities and not state-owned as they are in China or North Korea. Anyone who says the government can shut it down either doesn’t understand how the Internet works, or is pushing a fear-based agenda.

The real cause for concern revolves around how the government wants to deal with privately owned ISPs. As it stands now, the Net is reminiscent of an unregulated Wild West. But, if President Obama were to declare a “cybersecurity emergency” under this newly updated legislation, our country’s communications networks would become more vulnerable to external control.

In the Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Me.) bill, federal authorities would create a single, standardized set of regulations for all designated private networks.

Greg Nojeim of the Center for Democracy & Technology warned in April, “if everyone builds to the same standard and the bad guys know these standards, it makes it easier for the bad guys.” Thus, rather than trying to cripple a complex, autonomous World Wide Web (a virtually impossible task), Huliq News points out, “those attacking the U.S. could break through the single standard rather than the various ones that exist now.”

If a national emergency arises, Roy Marks wrote on August 31 in “Revised Bill Still Gives Obama Unprecedented Cyber-security Powers,” “the Secretary of Commerce would have the authority to access ‘all relevant data concerning [ISPs] without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule or policy restricting such access.’”

This agency, in league with the National Security Agency (NSA), will then decide when the Internet is to be restored following any given crisis situation.

Wayne Crews, technology director at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, states, “Virtually anything networked to some other computer is potentially fair game if President Obama exercises ‘emergency powers.’”

In the meantime, researcher and activist Tom Burghardt surmised on Aug. 29 that the government and mainstream media will “become the sole conduit for critical news and information during a ‘national emergency.’”

The ominous nature of this standardization (including “cybersecurity blacklists”) is reflected in a commentary by techno-journalist Declan McCullagh. “If your company is deemed ‘critical,’ a new set of regulations kicks in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.”

In their zeal to freeze private online service providers, Dwight Schwab Jr., in “Still Think ‘Big Brother’ is a Silly Concept?,” notes that the heavy-handed actions mentioned earlier will ensue at the government’s sole discretion via licensed “cybersecurity professionals.”

Considering the recent spate of cyber attacks against our country, lawmakers should instead focus on strengthening the safety of their own networks. In addition, many Americans feel more threatened by the intrusiveness of their own government rather than the perpetual bogeyman used to keep us in a state of continual fear.

To augment this point, Burghardt examined the Cybersecurity Act’s sponsors. It was drafted by Rockefeller and Snowe. Both are staunch allies of the National Security Agency and the telecommunications industry. And both were “key enablers of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping and privacy-killing data mining programs that continue apace under Obama,” Burghardt points out.

“The New York Times revealed in June how a former NSA analyst described a secret database code-named Pinwale that archived foreign and domestic e-mail messages. . . . two intelligence officers confirmed that the program was still in operation,” says Burghardt.

In a June 16 NewYork Times article by James Risen and Eric Lichtblau, government officials testified before Congress that “intercepts of the private telephone calls and e-mail messages of Americans are broader than previously acknowledged.”

Where the subject of computers is concerned, right now the government is limited in their ability to shut down the Internet.

But if draconian new legislation is passed, they will greatly increase their potential to make themselves the sole providers of information in times of widespread upheaval and panic. If such an apparatus is established, Americans may find themselves in a “virtual information void” when information and technology is most needed.

Cheers,

Mel

[BROOK]

I would rather spend my time productively researching what matters

ME too

[SWIFT]

Hi all,
Some people go to far and investigating people it just sounds like Big Brother?

Peace, Freedom and Cheers
SWIFT

[Karen]

{putting on moderator hat}

OK Tango, everybody, take 10 deep breaths and relax.
Meditate on the words "allow" and "flexible."
When the s really hits the fan what skills will serve you the best?

I guess we are going to have to throw money in with the hottest topics of politics and religion. {mumble, mumble, mumble}

Please play nice!
Thank yew,
Karen

[Vidya Moksha]

Im sorry for all the negativity in this thread, people seem to be freaking generally in the world right now. I struggle in the stream of media I am presented with on the net (which I look for!, at least Im not bombarded with tv etc).

I think it was me who first raised the word attorney (lawyer) - i would point out Mel never threatened me for my post, nor was he at all 'off' with me, he simply wanted to remove the upload to you tube and was going to ask his attorney to do that. Hey thats what attorneys do. I dont like them, but thats me.

I didnt want to have a go at Mel here, far from it. I wanted to say that I dont 'subscribe' to his world business view, but I respect his decision to do what he wants, he is ultimately responsible for his own actions as we all are.

Isnt there a term 'loss leader'? My guess is that posting this interview with Cliff for free would see many people listen to a very good show and maybe some of those would sign up for other shows. There are so many cliff interviews out there for free, people will be saturated and I guess not too fussed to losten to veritas? i dont know.

Mel obviously puts a lot of effort onto what he does, i did check out his facebook profile, its full of good links etc. Its ok (necessary even, depending on other financial incomes) to receive payment for this. I saw one you tube site, cant remember which, but a lot (not all) stuff was free with a very good 'contribute' section inviting donations. I guess this works for that site. Seems a good idea to me.

Cliff charges $10 for his reports, I read one for free on a pirate site and then bought the real thing (a duplicate)...i was put on an open mailing list with the thousands of other people who bought his last but one report, thats a lot of $10, i would guess he does ok financially. His radio interviews I guess he does for free, but they are 'advertising' on some level, and the mechanism obviously works for him. (I wont buy the latest report, I want out of here without worry about impending disaster scenarios)

Good luck with veritas Mel.

[SWIFT]

Hi All,
Lol Karen and all we need is love, love everybody!
Well done Bill & Kerry for the PC conferences and guest speakers.
Karma,
Cheers
SWIFT

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

sorry to go off topic but i understand its going to be something to do with turningthe |(DNS) severs off .. im not well versed in internet protocols could you tell me where the IP adress numbers are for sites ,, il start writinf them down now.. thanks again mel.

[Tango]

Out of respect, for YOU Kar... As I've always said It takes only one word
frm you.

I will stand down... took the breaths... And, walk away.....

I will " allow ".... As I believe everyone should Pay it Forward. Not take

from everyone.... When I saw attorney... I started to really, heat up...

Backing away slowly.... But, I won't turn MY back on this one.

I'll be watching him... [Squint]

Originally Posted by Karen

{putting on moderator hat}

OK Tango, everybody, take 10 deep breaths and relax.
Meditate on the words "allow" and "flexible."
When the s really hits the fan what skills will serve you the best?

I guess we are going to have to throw money in with the hottest topics of politics and religion. {mumble, mumble, mumble}

Please play nice!
Thank yew,
Karen

[Thunderbird]

Yeah Vidya, im not havin a go at Mel either, frankly i want him to be more successful, more impactful and reach MORE people because i want there to be more conscious humans. it just so happens that i know better business models, but often we humans (still part monkey) often times deny what we really want (happiness, success, peace, etc.) in favor of what we think we want (to be master of our domain).

I for one would love to play the role the universe has for me since it involves my supreme joy and unity. still my monkey mind fuchks that up cause EGO is a horrible master, but an AMAZING tool. And like others, I often times miss the cue's from Universe when they are not packaged as i want them to be and have missed great opportunities thinking i am better than the opportunity being presented to me. alas..... if i could just master this thing called sublimation of the will...

funny aside...i opened lifes little instruction manual today randomly to a page that said,
"The True Leader of a true cause is the unacknowledged servant of mankind.
Stationary in the background, this individual is doing the work that nobody else can or will do. An erratic career is like the comet's course, dashing through space, headlong and alone." Anonymous -1883

this hit hard because i have not been living the true life...according to this quote...i have been erratic and seeking recognition.

I suppose i have been an arrogant and blusterous in my time, and I often seek to be recognized for my gifts, abilities and skills as a leader...at least thats what my wonderful wife reminds me of at times that i get longwinded. I really am thankful for her.

my growing edge right now is finding that meaningful work that engages my full faculties and puts all my god given talents to work to making more joy, truth, and passion in the world. My growing edge is finding that work AND having it fulfill my need for recognition. I DO enjoy being special, however i DO NOT enjoy being special at the expense of others. I DO enjoy living a blessed life, but again not at the expense of others. I seek to always provide as much value to the community, the world, my family, etc, as i receive.

I am grateful for my sensory gifts and acuity. However, I have been judgmental, cold, and critical. I declare my correctness with authority and without apology too often. ultimately though i know my weaknesses and lay them bare before the world without fear. I am the sternest judge i shall ever face as i have found out nearly passing over.

anyway
I am also not a fan of negativity. Unfortunately im a bit of a martyr and often get the negative perspective of people when they look at me. just the nature of my medicine. im ok with that though. have to be i suppose...

It helps me see who they really are behind the facade of pleasant social contract bull. you never really know a person till you mess with them a bit. Kerry and i had a convo bout that and it's definitely an effective tactic for determining a persons true character. however it doesn't exactly win you brownie points with "gentle-people," or people who believe politeness is key.

f-ck polite. Be the light. and if one dont get you the other, just do whats right.

feel me?
-X

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

Im sorry for all the negativity in this thread, people seem to be freaking generally in the world right now. I struggle in the stream of media I am presented with on the net (which I look for!, at least Im not bombarded with tv etc).

I think it was me who first raised the word attorney (lawyer) - i would point out Mel never threatened me for my post, nor was he at all 'off' with me, he simply wanted to remove the upload to you tube and was going to ask his attorney to do that. Hey thats what attorneys do. I dont like them, but thats me.

I didnt want to have a go at Mel here, far from it. I wanted to say that I dont 'subscribe' to his world business view, but I respect his decision to do what he wants, he is ultimately responsible for his own actions as we all are.

Isnt there a term 'loss leader'? My guess is that posting this interview with Cliff for free would see many people listen to a very good show and maybe some of those would sign up for other shows. There are so many cliff interviews out there for free, people will be saturated and I guess not too fussed to losten to veritas? i dont know.

Mel obviously puts a lot of effort onto what he does, i did check out his facebook profile, its full of good links etc. Its ok (necessary even, depending on other financial incomes) to receive payment for this. I saw one you tube site, cant remember which, but a lot (not all) stuff was free with a very good 'contribute' section inviting donations. I guess this works for that site. Seems a good idea to me.

Cliff charges $10 for his reports, I read one for free on a pirate site and then bought the real thing (a duplicate)...i was put on an open mailing list with the thousands of other people who bought his last but one report, thats a lot of $10, i would guess he does ok financially. His radio interviews I guess he does for free, but they are 'advertising' on some level, and the mechanism obviously works for him. (I wont buy the latest report, I want out of here without worry about impending disaster scenarios)

Good luck with veritas Mel.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

Yeah Vidya, im not havin a go at Mel either, frankly i want him to be more successful, more impactful and reach MORE people because i want there to be more conscious humans. it just so happens that i know better business models, but often we humans (still part monkey) often times deny what we really want (happiness, success, peace, etc.) in favor of what we think we want (to be master of our domain).

I for one would love to play the role the universe has for me since it involves my supreme joy and unity. still my monkey mind fuchks that up cause EGO is a horrible master, but an AMAZING tool. And like others, I often times miss the cue's from Universe when they are not packaged as i want them to be and have missed great opportunities thinking i am better than the opportunity being presented to me. alas..... if i could just master this thing called sublimation of the will...

funny aside...i opened lifes little instruction manual today randomly to a page that said,
"The True Leader of a true cause is the unacknowledged servant of mankind.
Stationary in the background, this individual is doing the work that nobody else can or will do. An erratic career is like the comet's course, dashing through space, headlong and alone." Anonymous -1883

this hit hard because i have not been living the true life...according to this quote...i have been erratic and seeking recognition.

I suppose i have been an arrogant and blusterous in my time, and I often seek to be recognized for my gifts, abilities and skills as a leader...at least thats what my wonderful wife reminds me of at times that i get longwinded. I really am thankful for her.

my growing edge right now is finding that meaningful work that engages my full faculties and puts all my god given talents to work to making more joy, truth, and passion in the world. My growing edge is finding that work AND having it fulfill my need for recognition. I DO enjoy being special, however i DO NOT enjoy being special at the expense of others. I DO enjoy living a blessed life, but again not at the expense of others. I seek to always provide as much value to the community, the world, my family, etc, as i receive.

I am grateful for my sensory gifts and acuity. However, I have been judgmental, cold, and critical. I declare my correctness with authority and without apology too often. ultimately though i know my weaknesses and lay them bare before the world without fear. I am the sternest judge i shall ever face as i have found out nearly passing over.

anyway
I am also not a fan of negativity. Unfortunately im a bit of a martyr and often get the negative perspective of people when they look at me. just the nature of my medicine. im ok with that though. have to be i suppose...

It helps me see who they really are behind the facade of pleasant social contract bull. you never really know a person till you mess with them a bit. Kerry and i had a convo bout that and it's definitely an effective tactic for determining a persons true character. however it doesn't exactly win you brownie points with "gentle-people," or people who believe politeness is key.

f-ck polite. Be the light. and if one dont get you the other, just do whats right.

feel me?
-X

I feel you. And I do think the reasoning can be split a bit further if desired. I agree you can break up peoples "social veneer" by confronting and challenging them. And often what lurks below becomes visible.

But I see that as a technique, and techniques are not needed where the outcome can be had directly without use of techniques. In other words, can you just directly observe what's below the surface on people, or get to the "truth" without creating a disharmony in the process? Sure you can.

I'm a fan of doing directly what can be done that way. Meditative techniques are great for many things, but if those things can be achieved or arrived at simply by achievement, or arrival, that would seem a simpler way.

Overall, I think humanity is being challenged to find the harmonious, peaceful, loving road as opposed to the confrontational, polarized, violent, self serving road. The hallmarks of where we are headed are unconditional love, non judgement, living in the now moment, and complete harmony. We can use techniques or exercise ourselves towards these things, or we can simply forego all the linear approach and choose them now, with nothing more than simple choice involved. We have them here now, available to each and every one of us, and the challenge for the human race is, what will we choose.

Where we end up over the next few years depends utterly on the choices we make now. And not to put anyone on the spot, but the whole universe is watching, because what we are doing on earth right now has implications throughout all that is.

[Northern Boy]

wow I can`t believe this is till being discussed . Mel I`m sorry i posted this here you don`t need the aggravation coming your way . I know we have discussed it here and else where . Its a no brianer folks Cliff has done other interviews Jeff Rense and some one posted a file sharing interview from Sept 22 there are other ways to find out what Cliff had to say you could spend 10 bucks and buy Cliff`s report. See even Cliff doesn`t give it away for free.

I will say this mel it is a testimony to your interview skills and techniques that they would jump on Your a*s to hear your show when others are availalbe for free and they won`t search them out .

Tango you have alot on the ball but posting of personal information is unbecoming regardless of how small it is with out permission . I enjoy reading your posts Tango with the exception of the ones in this thread. mel I promise this is the Last Apology ............Rick