OBIWAN Creative help.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by MastaYoda

We have to remember that all people are different and some need a "push" or guide to see the light!. Wile other like your self completely understand and don't need any of this. This is more of a tool, whether is linear or non-linear, its a tool for people that are living on a linear way. The best way I can explain this is, We can not help people break-out of this linear way by just telling them how it is. We need to use tools they already understand in such a way that will help them break free.




You are not raining on anybodies parade or anything. The fact is the Kerry asked for some help from the Avalon members and so that is what we are providing.
As far as setting someone up for a loss, I'm not sure "What loss?" are you talking about. The fact that we are trying to think of more creative ways to help more people out is a loss? We need not to be afraid and work as one. as "fear is to hate, and hate is to hanger and hanger is to betray one self".

If you fear this is a waste of time, we ask of you to not participate. I'm doing what my hart is telling me, and that is to help everyone as much as possible to know the truth at all levels possible. Just like everyone else is helping out in providing info to related subjects of currents events that are happening around the world.

I understand what you are doing, and I support your efforts.

My point is really that we are all creative beings at heart, and as we rediscover that ability, we are creating our own opportunities to learn what we need to know, from the aspect of our higher selves, which is just as much us as the ones sitting here doing the typing, except that our higher selves are not positioned in time and space and so can place prompts anywhere/when that is useful to us, once we accept it's time (in our linear time existence) to move on to our more expansive playing field. So by the very nature of what's taking place right now, no one can do more than suggest that it's somehow possible to grow some new multi dimensional wings and that simply asking for opportunities to learn more, will start the ball rolling, at which time the higher self rolls up it's sleeves and plays personal teacher, dropping the exactly perfect lessons in our path in the form of all those wonderful synchronicities we all experience.

So I don't feel what you are doing is a waste of time, because if even one person has their higher self direct them to your tool, as being the exact right thing for them to encounter right now, then it will all have been worth while.

The loss I was referring to is potentially yours. The loss of going to all this effort, and then having very few participate. That can be discouraging, if you were hoping for a big response. I would simply like to point out that this is a predictable outcome on this venture, considering my "linear" rationale in my previous posts in this thread. Just keep in mind that you may get very few people playing your game, but that you should not be discouraged by this. You can't help others to wake up. Just look at any threads with "how do you help friends and family to wake up..." in the subject line, or that type of thing. This problem has been gone round and round on since Avalon opened in Sept 08. It just is what it is. A personal journey which necessarily will be exercised by oneself, by taking note of, or not, the prompts placed for us by our higher aspects, so we might wake up comfortably, instead of having to have cold water dumped on us at the last second of our collective snooze.

I wish you good luck on this. I hope I'm way off base here, and this is a raging success that wakes up millions. But just don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out that way. Waking people up is a bit like training a cat. Wait until it does something you like, and then applaud like crazy and provide lavish gifts to show appreciation. We're more like cats in our acceptance of help, than we are like dogs. And to stretch the cat/dog metaphor a bit further, our linear cat existence, is beginning to expand into more of a community oriented collectively minded Dog type multi dimensional "pack" existence. (no offence to Cat/dog lovers. neither is better - they are just different.)

[MastaYoda]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I wish you good luck on this. I hope I'm way off base here, and this is a raging success that wakes up millions. But just don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out that way. Waking people up is a bit like training a cat. Wait until it does something you like, and then applaud like crazy and provide lavish gifts to show appreciation.

Thank you, but I don't see this as a success or a loss or even as a game. I see it as just as another tool for others to use. If they chose or don't chose to use the tool is not a problem. It is up to you (the user) to decide, we can only lead the way.
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Originally Posted by lemon_sky88

We need some positive vibes in here keep this coming we need both cudos and oposition to get this right thanks every one for all input! And keep rockin YODA!

I will try to have an updated Layout tonight.
I'll probably have the 5x7 postcard as well.
Also, I'll be registering the new site today.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I think the thing to keep in mind on this project is that there are profound changes taking place right now, which are essentially rewriting how reality unfolds......

...Just look at all the completely impossible "accidental" discoveries you just happened to be in the right place at the right time in order to make.....

...Multi dimensional reality doesn't conform to linear logic of one thing following another, etc. It's a creative reality, of manifestation of thought, of energetically vibrating something into being. There is no past and future. Only now, with an unlimited number of variations of that now. And we simply shift around as need be...

...And I hope this makes some sense. It does to me, but round words don't describe square concepts too well.

This ENTIRE post was absolutely amazing!! I am 100% in resonance with this, except for 1 thing.....

Creative people don't need others to create games for them to play

You're right, we don't NEED others' games, but there's quite a lot of us that still enjoy them IMMENSELY!!


I don't think think the intent here is to discourage the project from blasting forward, but merely to ENcourage a new paradigm of thought. Boiling this down into a new method of information delivery can be difficult, since we are all conditioned to think within this old paradigm. But seriously, if anyone can figure this out, it's Avaloners. So I too, throw my vote into the ring that we continue to brainstorm a NEW paradigm.

If the majority of contributors here wish to continue with the concept of "levels" or pyramidal structures, I support that as well, as anything can potentially be a learning experience. But I agree with MyPlanet that this is exactly what we are drifting away from, like it or not.

Perhaps there could be a random element introduced, so instead of learning information in a predesignated order, it could literally be developed in such a way so that random acts of the universe could determine what the next piece of information was. Imagine having a user inputing a random number or word, and then using the concept of ICHING or Tarot, they would be offered a new piece of information.

And all the information would have to be presented in such a way that the user would understand that it is simply information, and NOT the only single legitimate point of view.

I read in one of the Handbook for the New Paradigm books that understanding a view or perspective on a subject is like imagining a circle around a dot.

One person's belief or perspective exists at one point in the radius of that circle. To truly understand the subject, one must know as many perspectives on the given subject (dot in the middle) so as to literally see it from all perspectives (360 degrees around the point). Perhaps offering multiple explanations on a subject and allowing the user to decide for themselves which one resonates closest within themselves is a valid approach.


I'm not convinced this is the solution either, just trying to help brainstorm here.

So, Yoda, what is the domain name you are purchasing for this concept?

[lemon_sky88]

Im really not shur how we would go about that, but i am loving the idea of leaving it up to "the universe" or a random generation of where to go next. or what to explore next. Its kind of like the information finds you. This sounds like something that could be developed and maybe should be, i would encourage it. I really like the concept that kerry, (who kind of gave us the starting point) and the rest of us who are imputting on this have come up with as well. It is correct that there is a "structure" set around the way the content of the site would be relesed to a new user. The structure is a simple guide being build to lift them off the ground so to speak. This is ment to spark curiosity and influence change. Just simply to get them thinking in a diffrent direction other than the norm. Us referencing this site to someone who checks it out could be that someone aha moment persay. And then where there life takes them is their journey. I think the thing that keeps coming up is that maybe its thought were trying to build a "one stop shop" to total wakeup/ enlightenment... Not the case, we want to help others simply see this hidden path that weve found by making an easy access point.

Caint wait to see it Yoda. Im amazed at how quickly you are throughin this togeter kudos!.

[iainl140285]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

One person's belief or perspective exists at one point in the radius of that circle. To truly understand the subject, one must know as many perspectives on the given subject (dot in the middle) so as to literally see it from all perspectives (360 degrees around the point). Perhaps offering multiple explanations on a subject and allowing the user to decide for themselves which one resonates closest within themselves is a valid approach.

Fantastic CV
We need 360 degrees of vision/perception to make an informed decision. As difficult as it is, we must allow our minds to encompase the whole. Things become much clearer then

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by lemon_sky88

...I think the thing that keeps coming up is that maybe its thought were trying to build a "one stop shop" to total wakeup/ enlightenment... Not the case, we want to help others simply see this hidden path that weve found by making an easy access point.

well, several have chimed in on this, and I won't pretend to speak for them, but I can guess that their concerns are the same as mine...

I dont think ANYONE has thought that this would be the "one stop shop" to total wakeup/ enlightenment, but the fundamental difference here is the theory that the way we engage users would be in accordance with the emerging consciousness. Even if it's just to pry the lid open a tiny bit and allow them to see infomation, but also in a NEW CONTEXT. I think its important to realize that there are PLENTY of websites that deliver this information, and more are emerging every day. Maybe instead of creating more of the same, we jump ahead a little bit and ENVISION something new and innovative...deliver information BUT in a way that doesnt reinforce the very systems we are (hopefully) trying to dissolve. This requires a new approach.

I agree, this is NOT necessarily an easy task. But it could well be exponentially valuable, especially in the "multidimensional" context that MyPlanet2 mentioned.

Look , we were all invited to participate. It appears that the concept is moving forward with a certain momentum regardless of input and I don't think anyone here really wants to resist that momentum. I just think some of us were hoping to infuse some of our ideas along the way. Any forward motion is beautiful. Whatever will be will be. No matter WHAT it is, this will no doubt be another valuable expression of what we all here want to become. So much respect to you all.

Good Luck, and let me know if you need any Interactive Flash Development done.

CV

ps: Thanks Ian! I just noticed the same symbol got posted in the X-Men thread. The Universe is whispering.

[MastaYoda]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

Good Luck, and let me know if you need any Interactive Flash Development done.

CV

ps: Thanks Ian! I just noticed the same symbol got posted in the X-Men thread. The Universe is whispering.

Yes, Do you know AS3? and Xml? I'm thinking of the 'Circle' would be interactive and all of the dots/points if any would need a name. So I'm thinking of using and XML sheet to keep flash file updated.
..any one?

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by MastaYoda

Yes, Do you know AS3? and Xml?

yes and yes. but honestly, if you are looking for someone to just quickly build something for you without comment, Im probably not your guy. I don't feel like I fully understand the concept yet.

[MastaYoda]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

yes and yes. but honestly, if you are looking for someone to just quickly build something for you without comment, Im probably not your guy. I don't feel like I fully understand the concept yet.

No problem. I will have a new layout / image for everyone to see. Probably gets a better picture across. Also, I know flash and AS2 and some xml integration. But I'm more of a Designer then a developer. I'll be more then glad to put the Flash file together for you and all you have to do is the coding to make it work.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by MastaYoda

But I'm more of a Designer then a developer. I'll be more then glad to put the Flash file together for you and all you have to do is the coding to make it work.

Me too. This is why I think I might not be the best fit for what you seem to be looking for. I'm not the delegatory type. I'm much more interested in co-creation. So Why dont you just go with XML and AS2, you'll have a much more ubiquitous platform, no upgrades, etc.? AS3 takes away all the artistic nuances and reduces everything to code. Its not my favorite language. Takes all the fun out of Flash.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

how about this... you make a wireframe. For those who don't know what a wireframe is, is basically a mockup of the site with JUST the content and no graphics. This allows everyone to see the information flow and the idea without getting too caught up in the graphics initially. Then once that is mutually agreed upon, then move to the next stage, the visual look and feel, allowing input from anyone who wants to be involved. Then once everyone is in agreement and equally excited about the concept, you will have created enough excitement and mutual personal investment through the process that everyone involved will volunteer their time to see it through.

[Carmen]

I haven't read everything posted here, but I get the gist of what you people are creating, and I like the idea.

A few comments on the issue of heirachy. I think that there are definite 'levels' to spiritual growth and that that to me is a truth. I also like the idea of yoda's of a circle because the levels can be thought of in terms of 'expansion' 'extention' into the next level.

For many years I have tested myself in a spiritual way and have experienced expanding or going into another level. Everything changes, and the new level is different and extends into and includes the other levels (not necessarily 'lower')

I have a few key books that I read and re-read. When I move (or expand) in consciousness I understand at a new level and there is info I'd never noticed before!

Another good example I use to explain moving to a new level is of 'climbing the hill, climbing out of the valley, and looking down on the activities below. Watching the street fighting! But not being part of it. Observing. Images convey so much more than words and are multi-dimensional.

I love all the ideas here, and I myself would enjoy a sort of 'testing' of spirit to see where I was at. As someone else has stated, ones 'inner self' reveals where we are at, but it would be fun to try this sort of thing on the forum

When a person is at a certain level they cannot 'see' the next level at all. They cannot even form the questions that relate to a higher level. Those beings at more expanded levels can 'see' all of the lower levels and none of the ones that they are yet to expand into. Spiritual growth is ongoing and ones "inner Self" knows when the person is ready to move. Nobody gets to go to where they have not passed the 'tests' to go. Forget equality, we only get what we deserve. We have equal "potential" to be or do anything, and advanced beings have always tried to help us in our evolution on this planet.

Keep up the good work guys. I am very interested in what you are proposing.

Love and Light

Carmen

[lemon_sky88]

Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt.

This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll! Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by lemon_sky88

Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt.

This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll! Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

Absolutely no offense taken. Sounds great! I am excited to see what you come up with, and will be happy to offer more input/help when you have this more sussed out.

Respect, CV

[MastaYoda]

SAMPLE 5 x 7 POSTCARD / FLYER




So here is one side of the flyer. I think is the message is pretty clear. don't you agree?

Note: I plan to support a few websites with this Idea. Like Project Avalon, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Show Podcast, Veritas Show.. and a few others.

[MastaYoda]

Other Side:




Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

[lemon_sky88]

I think this is perfect. Very simple and just braises the curiosity. Just enough to say what the hell is this all about. I also like the idea of doing this for multiple movements. Im totally into the 9/11 truth movement. I love the zeitguiest thing. What ever get people to think is what im lookin for. I really like what youve come up with. Great stuff YODA!

[MastaYoda]

If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by MastaYoda

Other Side:




Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

I'm not sure what that means. Are you asking how deep down the rabbit hole they want to go?

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by MastaYoda

If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

the sudden massive feeling I got few years ago that we're eternal beings...with the image of white pulsing light, just as my avatar

massive certainity, that nothing is impossible, if we just open our minds..with the image of happy humans just flying around and do nothing but learn, learn learn...learn notning more but the divine lessons.

[MastaYoda]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I'm not sure what that means. Are you asking how deep down the rabbit hole they want to go?

Just as I thought. I'm not sure everyone has seen the movie "The Matrix" so this is hard to under stand.

I think we need to rephrase the question. Something like:

1. "How well do you think you know the truth? Show me | Keep dreaming"
2. "What pill heals you? Prayers | Medicine"
3. "Which side are you on? Toxic | Poison"
4. "What side are you on? AM | PM" (I dig this one!)
5. "New Virus....." awake | sleep"

Well, any more Ideas? or can I get Vote?

[MastaYoda]

I got it:



So..?

[MastaYoda]

Sample LINK:

http://www.massiveawareness.com/jeditest/
(Note: This is only a DEMO, if you wish to start over, just refresh the page)

1. No Levels, Just categories.(represented by stars)
2. Categories will have Sub-categories that are related. One sample category can include PSI, ESP,..or so. List of sub cat's are shown when you mouse over a cat(star)
3. Ones you select sub-cat(PSI), you will be taken to all the material related to that sub-category.

So, visually their is no level structure. But technically its a 3 step process.

[lemon_sky88]

Very cool, the site layout is just down right crative... im lovin it. The way the info is presented is a little plain tho. It needs to say open me some how and it just dosent do it for me by saying psi... what is psi..Ill have you a subjestion in the mornin when im feeling a bit more creative. I just want to make shur to keep attention. This is blowin me away tho as far as layout. Nice work Yoda.

[Carmen]

Please keep the font large enough for us older ones, Ta