friends family & people I don't know

[dayzero]

Excellent thread everyone, I love reading all your honest thoughts and insights.....we truly are not alone......Love your post Anchor.....
Henners - I like your style!
A bit of crafty Columbo in there i reckon!

This thought/meditation has been coming to me over and over again recently;

'We' have to Conceal to Reveal
'They' have to Reveal to Conceal


mull it over. it's deceptively deep!

[cantaloupe]

The sock puppet is a nice touch Dagon.

[recallone]

Originally Posted by lightbeing

Dear friends,
Let me share this with you.

How is man to live in a world dominated by chaos, suffering, and absurdity?
According to the mystic/philosopher Chuang Tzu: Free yourself from the world.

Chuang Tzu tells the story of a man named Nan-jung Chu who went to visit
the Taoist sage Lao Tzu in hopes of finding some solutions to his worries.
When he appeared, Lao Tzu promptly inquired,
"Why did you come with all this crowd of people?"
The man whirled around in asthonishment to see if there was someone standing behind him.

Needless to say, there was not; the "crowd of people" that he came with
was the baggage of old ideas, the conventional concepts of right and wrong,
good and bad, life and death, that he lugged about with him wherever he went.
It is this baggage of conventional values that man must first discard before
he can be free.
"Free yourself from the world!"

Chuang Tzu

Indeed, balance is the key.

Dear Ones, Go into your heart, you already know
all the answers, you just need to remember.
All the information on
the internet, are just that: information,
use them as a catalysts to encourage
you to Re-member who you are.
And BE who you are.
Divine Love manifested.

How to reach/awaken your loved ones?
Be the example.
Your energy will reach/transform your
surroundings.
No need to use words.

Letting go of the need to "save"
others. "Save" yourself first.
The others will follow the Light.

May the One Infinite Creator guide you
on your paths.

Namasté
lightbeing

I love you, lightbeing...
ditto.

recallone

[lightbeing]

Originally Posted by recallone

I love you, lightbeing...
ditto.

recallone

Namaste recallone,

Thanks my friend!
We are One!
We are Love. Indeed.

Love you all

Divine blessings

lightbeing

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by scanner

Hi all This is why we were choosen and brought here by our guides. I have a large family all I get is HE'S OF AGAIN , YOU'VE DONE IT KNOW YOU'VE STARTED HIM OF. I don't care I know what I know and will take any and all oppertunities to tell the rest of the world to WAKE UP, SOME TIMES I HAVE TO REST AND RECOUPERATE RE-GROUP AND START AGAIN. So rest and recoupe meditate, sounds like you need some , blessings to you all

people will wake up at their own pace .. some are not yet required to be awake and so do not understand we need to concentrate on ourselves and increase our vibration and change ourselves for if we cannot change that how can we change anyone else there is lots to do so look inward first .

[Connecting with Sauce]

What a great thread...

I feel most people that are open are those that do some sort of kundalini awakening or active exercise which may open them up for example yoga, pilates or Tia Chi...

I've been like a sponge for the last year or so for information starting with spiritual matters and reiki / healing for my RSI, leading on to health for my late dad's cancer and I bought a load of dvd on alternative stuff from ebay initially for health and then that lead me on to UFO's bases/NWO and then Camelot...

All the way I've been stumbling over the telling people who don't want to listen through fear. I've now learnt (I hope) to be a little less enthusiastic... with new people I meet I just tell them straight and just say with a smile I know you'll think I'm mad but I'm past caring... I find it more difficult with those who you've known for years and work colleges.

The crystals and the large 4L distilled / energised glass water carrier gets a few raised eyebrows

I'm sure something is happening awakening wise and I'm sure we will be prepared as best we can be. Only time will tell what awaits...

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by dagon

friends family & people I don't know



I have to say. there is a point in which one has to stop looking at all that is being said in these communities. I have been obsessed with research on topics concerning 2012, nwo, amero, economics, ufo's, and so on., so much so that its all im doing. filling my head with this information. reading, listening, watching, so its only natural that when one leaves this to enter the matrix. It just spills out. people ask me how Im doing. and I come out with. just fine considering the world is falling apart. and did you know about the dark rift. and the ice cores in greenland. oh and by the way, the amero is coming. so much so that all my friends are concerned about me. thinking Im drinking the kool-aid. and starting to keep away from me. its a tough place to be. nobody wants to look at any of this stuff. discuss it. or give it any energy at all. what can you do about it. they say. your energy is better spent on finding work. and finding happiness. not depressing the ones @ you. catch what Im throwing. Im sure there are a few uf us here taking all this way to seriously. I do. its like nothing else really matters in my eyes. I guess its about balance. that I cant seem to find. I do have a obsessive type of personality. maybe I need a break. I just feel so passionate about these subjects. always have. and I want people to wake up. especially my friends. who want no part of it. and how. Im pushing myself into a corner.. I guess Im getting to caught up in all this. to me, its way to exciting.. I could go on and on.. but I think you get the point. and just putting it out there..



cheers.

I totally empathise.. Its been a long lonely road for me, alternating between agony and ecstasy. Only in the last year have I really learnt that the 'evangelistic' approach is never going to work.. no matter how much I talk up a particular documentary or website etc to any of my 'friends' or 'work mates' it seems to make absolutely no difference, they aren't capable of taking anything important seriously.. the media blackout and entertainment saturation of our fake society is all pervasive. People don't seem to have much more attention span than a goldfish.. I even know people with serious illness and family members with cancer who could't take the time to watch the Jim Humble interview on MMS, one response I got was "I watched a bit of it man but the whole thing was like an hour long" WOW one 'whole hour' gee what a sacrifice for a life-changing health revolution you poor fool.. (I didn't say that, Im always understanding and supportive).

I have a friend who is finishing his doctorate in pure mathematics.. when over my house I did my best to convince him of the reality of UFOs (as a first step to then introduce him to hyper-dimensional physics and to explain faster-than light travel and also the groundbreaking work of Nassim Haramein) No matter how many real photos of spacecraft I showed this guy.. military whistleblower testimony (thanks Steven Greer) you name it.. this guy was %100 percent convinced that I was a naive fool for believing in conspiracies and that everthing I presented was a hoax because 'modern science' knows everything and if there were ETs S.E.T.I and NASA would have told us.. and his key argument was that even if there was life on another planet somewhere there was NO WAY it would look anything like a human-being.

At least we have each other guys, we may be surrounded by mind-controlled zombies but we can support and nurture each other via this forum until such time as the rest of society matures spiritually and intellectually to a level where the necessary changes can be made. Don't hold your breath though, its not looking too good for humanity right now.. we are suffering from the sins and complacency of our forebears and the deathly parasite of the abrahamic religions - that manipulative house of spiritual terrorism in YOUR community called a 'church' 'synagogue' 'mosque'.. how can we ever live in peace and be custodians of nature when that sort of false-cult criminality is still being indoctrinated to the children of this world.

..As you can imagine Dagon, I'm the black sheep of my family too

[mu2143]

I tryed to tell my family and they labeld me crazy. There is someting wrong with me I think for self, sounds like a disease!!!!
Most of them go like this ;It is not true and won't research it them self ,because of excuse to do not so. Fear, Addicted to the system

Most people on this planet believe and don't believe at the same time.
The first information they receive is the truth and the rest is not!!!.

If you incounter those people, just let them go. Because there waiting for prove. The type of prove, just before there going to die!!..

Look great movie on TV it almost looks real!!!, Honey why are those people running and screaming in streets!!. There last words

People who questions everthing they have been told, follow them selfs and find out that there is some wrong.

Btw I did found people who are listing to me and there all female!!!
There is hope!!!! And the only male I found was already aware about Alex Jones 9/11 info.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mu2143

I tryed to tell my family and they labeld me crazy. There is someting wrong with me I think for self, sounds like a disease!!!!
Most of them go like this ;It is not true and won't research it them self ,because of excuse to do not so. Fear, Addicted to the system

Most people on this planet believe and don't believe at the same time.
The first information they receive is the truth and the rest is not!!!.

If you incounter those people, just let them go. Because there waiting for prove. The type of prove, just before there going to die!!..

Look great movie on TV it almost looks real!!!, Honey why are those people running and screaming in streets!!. There last words

People who questions everthing they have been told, follow them selfs and find out that there is some wrong.

Btw I did found people who are listing to me and there all female!!!
There is hope!!!! And the only male I found was already aware about Alex Jones 9/11 info.

Many people are in your position and its one that can present quite a test!

I too have noticed that more of the people that have taken me seriously have
been female, or male but those are usually the kind who are more in-tune with their feminine side.

Remember: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

Regrettably for this analogy, it might mean sooner or later you have to let the horse die of thirst - and do it knowing that there is a reason for everything and you did everything right, and respected the free-will of others.

A..

[Luminari]

I agree totally WOMEN RULE..
thats part of the meaning of 'Luminari' for me, the rise of the divine feminine (even though I'm a man) thats what this Planet needs for balance and mature spiritual leadership. The 'Illuminati' the masculine solar force has brought us separation.. Corporatocracy, pre-emtive strikes..

[futureyes]

the divine feminine shall rise and restore balance once again ...

the planet will heal ...

this time will be different because of it ...

[ries]

Keep up the spirit Mu, and well said Anchor.

For some of mine friends it's difficult to see me walking this path and for me it's
difficult i could not convince them.
They have to do it for them selves.
Maybe in the future our roads are crossing again.
And if not, that's OK to.

Greetings,

Ries.

The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry.

[dagon]

Originally Posted by futureyes

the divine feminine shall rise and restore balance once again ...

the planet will heal ...

this time will be different because of it ...

that's beautiful. we truly all are birds of a feather.

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by dagon

that's beautiful. we truly all are birds of a feather.

[rhythm]

No thing more i could say here that you
have not already said ,
how privalidged i feel to
be in your company .
in loving service ,
thanks for this thread
and all the pearls .
rhythmm .xxx

[Mercuriel]

Originally Posted by dagon

friends family & people I don't know

I have to say. there is a point in which one has to stop looking at all that is being said in these communities. I have been obsessed with research on topics concerning 2012, nwo, amero, economics, ufo's, and so on., so much so that its all im doing. filling my head with this information. reading, listening, watching, so its only natural that when one leaves this to enter the matrix. It just spills out. people ask me how Im doing. and I come out with. just fine considering the world is falling apart. and did you know about the dark rift. and the ice cores in greenland. oh and by the way, the amero is coming. so much so that all my friends are concerned about me. thinking Im drinking the kool-aid. and starting to keep away from me. its a tough place to be. nobody wants to look at any of this stuff. discuss it. or give it any energy at all. what can you do about it. they say. your energy is better spent on finding work. and finding happiness. not depressing the ones @ you. catch what Im throwing. Im sure there are a few uf us here taking all this way to seriously. I do. its like nothing else really matters in my eyes. I guess its about balance. that I cant seem to find. I do have a obsessive type of personality. maybe I need a break. I just feel so passionate about these subjects. always have. and I want people to wake up. especially my friends. who want no part of it. and how. Im pushing myself into a corner.. I guess Im getting to caught up in all this. to me, its way to exciting.. I could go on and on.. but I think you get the point. and just putting it out there..

cheers.

While I agree with You there is a very old saying that is quite appropriate here ;

"The Prophet is a Stranger in Their own Land"

I've been known as being extreme My whole Life but what is now occuring is that many that have thought that of Me - Now come to Me for advice with what is going on. Have Faith - Back away for a bit - But know this...

You Serve Us ALL when You display Truth no matter how hard it may be to do. That said, Thankyou for being exactly Who You are...

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by henners

Nice thread Dagon. I am always talking to people in my job as a coach driver. I have learned a technique, i call it "fishing".
Eventually i can get a conversation going about a certain subject matter. If i get mainly negative comments, i back off and talk about something else. My strike rate is about 60%. I had a lady asking all sorts of questions and warned me to "be careful" as they may come after me. the PTB.
Also, last year, i had 40 people on tour. Half were students, the other half were parents and teachers from the USA. We stopped in Byron Bay where the teenagers were getting surfing lessons. One of the parents, (there were 5 of them with me at that time) asked me if he could get "my opinion" on 9/11. When i warned them that i was opinionated and had more information about the matter than they had probably heard of, they were intrigued.
When i told them what i thought was the truth, four of them said "SEE I TOLD YOU SO", the other person got very angry and said how dare i insinuate that the USA commited such an attrocity. But for the rest of the tour, i had some very keen listeners.

In my opinion, all the 'negative' people will eventually come around as the S...t hits the fan, the economy fails, the weather changes etc etc etc.
I have noticed one thing, since joining Avalon, i have met more like minded people and awoken more people than in the past 20 years. So i personally feel the wave of consciousness is growing daily.

Again, great thread Dagon
Henry

yes, this is a good thread

normally, i have found,
about 80% of the people are interested to know the truth
and, the other 20% have their teeth so stuck in 3D
that, if the truth was real, they would lose everything,
including the trust, they put in others

and, will utter things like --
well, it has always been like that -- when they get taken
(ie; all the financial money **** that is going on,
where they have lost a lot of money - and, their cushy pension
funds etc., will soon, also be at risk)

i have also found, that there are some people,
who state they are interested to know
more about you, and, what you do
and, why you are here to help
under their guise, of being interested,
and, that they are in a position to help ...

so, you go ahead, give them some info,
and, then they do NOT even bother to respond back to you

it makes you kind of wonder,
who these people are ??? and, what their real intent is ???

love/susan
the eXchanger

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by ries

Keep up the spirit Mu, and well said Anchor.

For some of mine friends it's difficult to see me walking this path and for me it's
difficult i could not convince them.
They have to do it for them selves.
Maybe in the future our roads are crossing again.
And if not, that's OK to.

Greetings,

Ries.

The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry.

Well said Ries, who said that
quote : The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry
(i would love to add that quote, to my quote section, on my website)

and, yes, They have to do it for themselves,
you can NOT do it, for them,
you can simply put them in front of info,
and, they accept it, or reject it, with their own will

love/susan
the eXchanger

[LucidJia]

Well I am starting to become like you dagon. It started about 3 months ago when I started looking into 911 and then n.w.o. after hearing Alex Jones on a friends radio.

Then I meet this old guy in a cofffe shop who told me his father was in nasa and on his death bed told him all about the bases on Mars and the moon. He then told me alot more info on E.T's and OBE's. He also gave me alot of books to look into and websites.

Now if I had not just recently found out about 911 and nwo I would have probaly just laughed at this guy and wrote him of as a nutcase. But I was allot more open to this because of finding out how I had been fooled into beliving what the media told me and not having an open mind. So I gave this guy a chance and looked into all of his info and here I am now in a new world of info that I cant get enough of.

So mabey instead of trying to tell people about this hard hitting alien and 2012 stuff right away why not put them onto the 911 info or the new world order or the federal reserve which is alot more believeable. Then if they do look into this and become a believer they will either come back to you to discuss it further and for more info or they will look into it further by themselves.

I think for people to really believe this it mostly has to be a progresive thing that they go through themselves rather having all the info thrown at them by someone in the know.

Cheers, Jia.

[MyShadow]

There is a reason why you are all here - there is a reason why sifting through all of this stuff makes you feel the way you do. It's may not be evident in this moment, but it will unfold on your path as you expand.

Try not to take all of this so literally, especially the doom and gloom expressions. In time you will come to see these voices are important for you to hear and process. Think of your 'obsession' in terms of a stong desire to find your personal truth and bliss - it's in your vicinity, you are making your way towards it.

[nagual]

Thanks dagon for starting this thread! I needed so much to read something like that...

I find myself in a situation where I can’t stop researching, reading and collecting info from many sources.
I’ve downloaded so many e-books that will be impossible to read them all, and I know this is happening to many avalonians...
It always happens when the energy levels get higher as part of the awakening process , there is a ‘I need to know more’ issue going on inside that gets us deeply involved, our whole being is in it.
Then by and by, as we read, research, watch many videos, etc, the opposite happens, is like we must put aside all that info and look inwards for answers.
A few days ago I read that almost all great discoveries are made not by experts but by amateurs. Seem like ‘experts’ have so much accumulated information that they cannot see beyond it.
All that knowledge creates a pattern and the trick is to be free from the pattern, becoming again an amateur.

I also find almost impossible to talk about this things with family or friends. But there is no need to talk, we are separate only on the surface, deep down we are not separate. Only the visible part is separate, the invisible part is still one.
So when you rise your energetic levels becoming more awake and closer to the one Mind, or when you meditate or work in activating your DNA, you are contributing to your friends and family awakening process as well.
Because awakening come from the deepest core of your being – and that is the core of everybody else, too.

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by nagual

Thanks dagon for starting this thread! I needed so much to read something like that...

I find myself in a situation where I can’t stop researching, reading and collecting info from many sources.
I’ve downloaded so many e-books that will be impossible to read them all, and I know this is happening to many avalonians...
It always happens when the energy levels get higher as part of the awakening process , there is a ‘I need to know more’ issue going on inside that gets us deeply involved, our whole being is in it.
Then by and by, as we read, research, watch many videos, etc, the opposite happens, is like we must put aside all that info and look inwards for answers.
A few days ago I read that almost all great discoveries are made not by experts but by amateurs. Seem like ‘experts’ have so much accumulated information that they cannot see beyond it.
All that knowledge creates a pattern and the trick is to be free from the pattern, becoming again an amateur.

I also find almost impossible to talk about this things with family or friends. But there is no need to talk, we are separate only on the surface, deep down we are not separate. Only the visible part is separate, the invisible part is still one.
So when you rise your energetic levels becoming more awake and closer to the one Mind, or when you meditate or work in activating your DNA, you are contributing to your friends and family awakening process as well.
Because awakening come from the deepest core of your being – and that is the core of everybody else, too.

ahh nagual ... beautiful are your words ... music to my ears ...

yes ... ultimately our truth comes from within ... our seeking externally for our answers is a significant part of our process in locating our truth ... we are already listening to our inner self to read, listen and observe all that we can (without blowing a fuse ) ... every thing for a reason ...

we are exactly where we are meant to be in this moment ... eventually ... we will come to feel that the process of seeking information externally has served its purpose ... our cup will be filled ... we won't feel to allow our selves to overflow within it ... it is then that our process mutates ... it is then we look within ... and only within ...

our being exhausted from all the external information we have received and accumulated ... the only place then to seek further will be within our selves ... no longer just of the mind ... but truth realized from our hearts ... it is then we are ready for our heart-mind connection ...

not airy-fairy ... basic it will feel yes ... but our truth is rather simplistic ... we are not complex beings ... our ego has taken us on many complex adventures ... taking us away and distracting us from what really is ...

so we allow the mind to continue sorting out all external information ... like sorting mail at a sorting station ... this definately has its purpose ... for without it ... we could not reach our plateau of info exhaustion ... it really is so wonderfully orchestrated ... such beautiful music ... harmony with all that is ...

isn't it wonderful to be an amateur as nagual writes ... i have never felt to be an expert ... i LOVE being an amateur ... it is within the amateur that all things can be created ... purely ... uncomplicated ...

and we will all go back from experts of the mind to amateurs of the heart ... once again ...

and what is the amateur within us all ... it is our inner child ... pure and simple ... just as our truth is ...

wow ... thank you nagual ... i will be replaying your song throughout this day ... a beautiful day it will be ...

[Egg]

I'd rather have a full head brimming with thoughts and keeping me awake than any empty head! or worse, a sheeple head filled with soap opera, 'WAGs', 'pop celebrity' and the inane, useless junk way way too many people in the world fill their heads with.

[nagual]

Originally Posted by Egg

I'd rather have a full head brimming with thoughts and keeping me awake than any empty head! or worse, a sheeple head filled with soap opera, 'WAGs', 'pop celebrity' and the inane, useless junk way way too many people in the world fill their heads with.

There is no possibility of going into the inner core with a mind full of thoughts. It is a barrier, just as truth is a barrier in science.
A critical mind is an absolute necessity if you are working on some research, investigation, scientific project, etc., but is an absolute barrier if you are trying to reach your own interiority.

[Egg]

Not at all Nag - being able to still that mind however is important - it just means being able to box everything up for a little while and focus on stillness and calm - or else are those that meditate and reach the inner them empty vessels?

I still however would keep my mind buzzing with thoughts, ideas and researchable pointers about 'alternate topics' than filed with soap / football / soccer trivia.