What was Jesus then?

[HallieBallie]

Pastor Raay Hagins PhD The 1st Creed of Nicea 325 AD part.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nl5adjqZw

There are 5 parts of it.

In this exciting informative lecture, Pastor Ray Hagins does what very few Pastors would dare to do. He methodically takes you step by step through the circumstances that led to the need for this meeting to take place and explains how the concept of Jesus the Christ was created in 325 A.D. The First Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea in Bithynia (In present -- day Turkey), convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in 325, was the first ecumenical (1) conference of bishops of the Christian Church, and most significantly resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent "general (ecumenical) councils of Bishop's (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy -- the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.

This is the council that created the concept of Jesus the Christ and it was patterned after Heru (Horus) from the Ancient Kemetic (Egyptian) mythology. Ausar (Osiris), Auset (Isis) and Heru (Horus) were the first holy trinity and Joseph, Mary and Joseph was patterned after this. The history behind the creation of Jesus the Christ has been hidden from most Christians on purpose because it was created by the Roman Catholic Church. They have never wanted the truth to get out.

Learn why the Council of Nicaea occurred and the results of the Council such as the creation of Christmas from the ancient festivals of Saturnalia and the celebration of the birth of Mithra (the Persian Sun god).

[Richard T]

One question then 371:

What is man, ultimately?

[371]

Originally Posted by Richard T

One question then 371:

What is man, ultimately?

Children of God ?


EDIT- ahhh... I see Richard... good point

[Shellie]

Stefaan: the original meaning of "virgin" was "young, unmarried maiden". It had nothing to do with what we call virginity today.

It was common for girls to be married off at the time they became women- at the bat mitzva (age 12). So if there really was a virgin Mariam who gave birth to a son names Jeshua, then all that means is that a 11-12 year old got pregnant and had a son.

[Merkhava]

The highest Law of the Universe is the Law of Love. It is the foundation upon which everything exists.

In the Torah, this was enunciated explicitly to Moses at Mt. Sanai during the 40 days he was alone with God. When he returned to the children of Israel, he taught us the Law of Love as God had taught him, which we as a national people have then shared with the rest of the world through our written oracles over the centuries.

We Jewish people understand that the first and greatest of all commandments is:

You will love the Lord your God from the deepest center of your soul, with all the power of your physical body’s strength, with all the intelligence of your mind, with all the emotional passion of your heart, with all the voluntary free will of your own personal sovereignty.

The second highest law is like it:

You will love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.

In fact, Yeshua HaMashiakh (Jesus Christ) demonstrated the standard of the second highest commandment before and after He said,

“You will love one another the way I have loved you.”

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These two elaborations of the Law of Love – love God and love your neighbor - are the foundations upon which everything was built. Moses and the Prophets and the Apostles of Israel spent their remaining lives teaching us how to make love the basis of our lives.

The Decalogue (Ten Commandments) is a further practical elaboration of how to love. The beginning four commandments describe how we are to love God. The remaining six describe how we are to love our neighbor. Maimonides later wrote down the elaborations of the Jewish Oral Tradition from the Torah 613 commandments. Listed in the Torah are 365 of them which are positive admonitions how to live a loving life, and 248 which are restraints against negative human behaviors that foster selfishness and hatreds.

Wherever love reigns in the hearts of people, there will be harmony and life and the rise of great civilization and peace among peoples, communities and nations. Love having supremacy in the heart of a man allows him to live as a king since he begins to possess within himself the illuminating essence of God – because God is Love.

Love is not a superficial emotional or erotic feeling that blows one way then another way like the tall grass bending in the changing winds. This is a common misunderstanding among many people. True love – the kind of Love that is holy and divine – it is a choice of our free will that leads us to an action of good. Most times it is hard to love because it is always draining and usually thankless when done for the benefit of immature and selfish people. But when we engage in selfless acts of love, we eventually feel good about ourselves because we are acting as God made us to be.

Love is giving of oneself for the benefit and good of another, giving in such a way that it costs or drains you of something out of yourself, and you expect nothing back in return for giving it. This is the kind of Love that is supernatural. It goes against our usual selfish human nature because to engage in acts of divine love is a super-human feat. This is the way God loves us. This is also the demand of the Law upon all of us. The standard is perfection and we are all accountable for it under the Law.

Those who break the highest Law of the Universe - who violate divine love - such violators have committed the highest crime there is. To do anything, to say anything, to even think any thought that is in anyway a violation of the divine standard of love is a crime against God. This is what SIN is. It is treason of the highest order against the Kingdom of Heaven. Sin is a personal declaration of war against God. It was this kind of rebellion that brought the Fall of Man and lost our personal and intimate right to converse and walk beside God Himself as Adam HaRishon did in the Garden. It was this violation of love that brought death into our life. The prophet Ezekiel wrote the declaration of the Lord, " All souls are Mine. The soul that sins will die."

We understand that anyone who breaks the law will be arrested, charged and if found guilty, then they will be sentenced according the sanctions demanded by the law. This is what we call justice.

God is Love. God is also the King of kings and Lord of lords, who reigns over all the Universe by His Law. He can not break His own Law because to do so would make Him become an unholy arbitrary tyrant. For God to violate His Law is for Him to violate what He is, since God is Love. God perfectly keeps His Law and must consistently hold Himself to account for everything that is demanded by the Law. He must be just. He must also hold everyone else in His creation to the same accountability to the Law of Love.

So… how can a loving and just God forgive sinful mankind without breaking His Law? How can He acquit for high crimes without becoming unjust for doing so? How can God condemn Satan, but let mankind go free, and then not be accused of an unholy double standard?

This is why the Savior came down among us into our world. He came to rescue us. He provided the one and only legal way for us to find acquittal without annulling the Divine Law of Heaven. That is why Yeshua said,

"I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

It is like the Judge himself, after justly passing a death sentence upon me for my high crimes, came down off the bench. He stands beside me and says the Law must be satisfied for the sake of Justice, but if I am willing, He will allow the death sentence to fall on Himself instead of upon me. But He cannot do it for me against my will. I have to personally and publicly ask Him to do it so that the Court of Justice sees that I have voluntarily and freely asked the Judge to bear upon Himself the demanded sanction of the Law and final consequence of my guilty crimes.

So you have to ask yourself: Are you guilty of selfishness or even of hatred?

Have you violated Love? Can you claim perfection of Love and stand innocently? Will you stand on your own merits when you are held to account in Heaven’s Court of Justice and every one of your deeds, your words and your thoughts are publicly revealed to the entire Universe?

How will you answer the Savior?

Regards,
Merkhava

[100thmonkey]

To me, Jesus was just a human, like the rest of us.
His story is irrelevant and unnecessary.

We don't need to know about his life or his mission or his purpose or his beliefs or his origins.
We don't need to promote those to anybody else, because they don't need it either.
We don't need his teachings, because he didn't preach anything that hadn't already been taught, or that we couldn't realise for ourselves.
We don't need salvation, because there's no eternal hell to be saved from.
We don't need his payment, because there is no debt.
We don't need him to take our karma, because karma doesn't work that way.
We don't need to fear a judgement day, because there is no ultimate Judge, beside ourselves.

We only need to live our own life.

[Frank Samuel]

Hey Hallie thanks for the info on the council of Nicea. As we see here people as people have a hard time agreeing on anything. Oh do we get upsept when somebody does not see things our way. Myself included but ;such is life !!!
7 billion interpretations of the truth.
Peace and Love to all

[Jma]

Merkhavah Jesus was also known as the Lion of Judah, belonging to the tribe of Judah.
Do all Jewish people belong to one of the twelve tribes?

[Richard T]

Love:
When man enters the new cycle, he must be aware that love is for his neighbor, not for the invisible.

When the contact is made, and that he is put through his initiation in face of reality, he will learn to hate the invisible, and then will he realize that love is not an energy to be used for the invisible.

And the more he will love the invisible, the more he will be burned in his intiation.

If man does not realize, somewhere along his experience, that love of the invisible opens the door to domination from the planes over his consciousness, he will never snap the right to freedom and will remain a small creature.

Which brings me to the second point.

Hell.

Hell meant <world of the dead> and not a sea of eternal fire.

Man is captive of the world of the dead, therefore, man is a walking dead. That is what he must be saved from.

If not, then he will have to move on and continue his evolution on another planet.

The dominion of death over this globe is nearing its end. This is cause for much trouble in the astral of the planet. And its repercussions are the various events, both in the organization of domination structures within humanity, and in the body of the planet itself.

The magnetic pole reversal that is to come will change the polarity of the energy that traverses the globe and the face of the planet will be changed as its surface reconfigures to the reversed movement of energy that imprints within the electro magnetic currents.

Hell is the psychological condition of a humanity that has been forced into powerlessness.

It is the condition through which the philosophers have raised ignorance and human weaknesses high on a golden plate, praising those open doors to manipulation as a desirable and distinctive condition of the human race.

Eternity is not a quantity of time, it is a location in time. And it is outside of the level of energy where death reside, for whom time is a distance.

I agree that there is no need to promote anything to anyone.

On the other hand, each stone will be upturned.

[Merkhava]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

To me, Jesus was just a human, like the rest of us.
His story is irrelevant and unnecessary.

We don't need to know about his life or his mission or his purpose or his beliefs or his origins.
We don't need to promote those to anybody else, because they don't need it either.
We don't need his teachings, because he didn't preach anything that hadn't already been taught, or that we couldn't realise for ourselves.
We don't need salvation, because there's no eternal hell to be saved from.
We don't need his payment, because there is no debt.
We don't need him to take our karma, because karma doesn't work that way.
We don't need to fear a judgement day, because there is no ultimate Judge, beside ourselves.

We only need to live our own life.

If you live your own life without love, is it a life worth living? Is it a life of any worth to others?

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Merkhava

If you live your own life without love, is it a life worth living? Is it a life of any worth to others?

I wasn't saying we don't need love in our life. I just don't think we need Jesus to have it.
If we want to be happy we need love, sure, but love can also bring pain.

If we don't have love though, our 'true self', our eternal spirit, still gleans experience from that life.
Any life, good, bad, happy, sad, is all Experience, and all has it's place in the evolution of our eternal spirit.
Of course I'm talking from a perspective of reincarnation, which not everybody accepts, especially since Jesus supposedly was against it according to the bible (although I've heard otherwise).

[milk and honey]

Jesus the 'Son of Man' became Jesus 'the Christ' (the Sun / Son of God) because he opened and surrendered to the inner light, called in the western scripture "Christos" and in the east, "Krishna" and "Buddha". To understand his teachings it's important above all to appreciate that we too can become Christ and ascend as Jesus did. Essentially, that was his message. Jesus was the wayshower of the path to spiritual oneness, and ascension... which is the ultimate "realm shift" that everyone is now talking about, only Jesus taught an individual "shift" in consciousness NOT a mass ascension event in the future.

He was a true spiritual revolutionary in that regard, nearly 2000 years before the 'space brother' chanellings (deliberately) misconstrued many metaphysical concepts. ie.. a "mass ascension" in 2012 and/or a "beam me up scotty" UFO type "rapture", among others.

Jesus also pronounced a judgement for the end of the age that would separate souls on earth according to their vibration or "works". For some it will be the final judgement. He foresaw the return of the pent up karma of the ages (sown during a 'great cycle' of ~ 25,800 yrs) and prophesied the personal and planetary destruction it could bring. Prophecy from the spiritual source has always been an opportunity for souls to change direction. If it can be clearly seen that a certain course of action is leading humanity into destructive karmic outcomes, then at the risk of being accused of causing that destruction, a prophet must sound a warning. Jesus and others have given necessary prophecies at certain intervals yet ingrates accuse them of actually causing disaster by doing so. Who might accuse and why? Only those trying to deflect responsibility.

One timely prophecy was the judgement of the fallen angels on planet Earth.

Jesus said, "For judgement I AM come". Fallen angels have been incarnate on this planet for ages but their time is now up. Jesus identified some of them and as part of his mission, he spoke the judgement in the physical plane which gave them all a final opportunity during the age of pisces to come into alignment with the law of love. To paraphrase the law... "Give up your abuse of power and control of the masses and serve the light in my own as all are required to do". Millions of fallen angels have incarnated on planet Earth during this time, but same as 2000 years ago, Jesus' person and message have been rejected and distorted beyond recognition. (See below.) And their power games have continued in every sector of life.

The handwriting is on the wall and as the karma of ages is ripening, the only solution as always is in a change of heart by a sufficient number of souls to mitigate the worst of it. We must each identify and surrender the machinations of the ego and embrace the presence and guidance of the higher-Self. That is the necessity of the hour -- as late as it now is -- and that is exactly what Jesus taught.

Essentially Jesus taught that the "Christ" is the real spiritual -Self within each person and that we need to accept it in order to overcome the egoic mind, which he called the 'carnal mind' and 'anti-christ'. To paraphrase him:

"The kingdom of heaven (the consciousness of God) is within you."

And again...

"He that is in you (the christ-consciousness)
is greater than he that is in the world (the egoic mind and the false hierarchy who fully embody it )

And...

"No man ascends to the Father except he that descends from the Father."

Jesus was not only referring to himself when he said that. ^^^ He was talking about all incarnate spiritual beings including ourselves. Our souls have descended from the spiritual plane into a lower plane and state of consciousness therefore each soul can ascend back to the spiritual plane to re-unite with the Father (the I AM Presence) but only if we're willing to sift our own consciousness and separate the ego chaff from the spiritual wheat.

The Book of John identifies the good 'wheat':

"That was the true light which lighteth every man which cometh into the world".

John was not only referring to the man Jesus but to the Christ light within him which is the same light within us. It is the guiding light within all souls who incarnate in the material plane. So if we would follow in Jesus footsteps all the way to the ascension then we must awaken to the same inner light as he did and let it speak and act as it moves us. Intuition is our guide.

"The works that i do ye shall do also,
and greater works shall ye do because i go unto my father"

Greater "works" are possible if we become conscious of (and fully realise) the same God consciousness which Jesus realised in himself. He mastered the flow of spirit through his chakras and subtle bodies and if we walk the spiritual path, so can we. My understanding is that, for tens of thousands of years, Jesus' mission was (and still is) to reconnect us with the Christ flame in our hearts which is a living connection to our true source.

Most souls on Earth have lost contact with this inner reality and hierarchy's solution was to send Jesus as a world teacher to literally resuscitate the souls of the entire human race. At least all those who accept the impulse of love within ... whether or not they make the outer association with Jesus is less important.

When he told us we are his brothers and sisters -- "joint heirs" in Christ -- Jesus was saying "We Are One". He had personally realised that oneness and this is what he meant when he said:

"Whatsoever ye do unto the least of these my brethren, ye do also unto me". (because We Are One). That sounds axiomatic today but it wasn't ~2000 yrs ago. None of his teachings were understood except by very few.

If we would do 'greater works' and if we would ascend at the conclusion of this life (like Jesus did) then we too must take the same spiritual initiations. Jesus didn't do it all for us as the false pastors would have us believe, but he left his footprints in the sand as The Way to inner source. His initiations are ours too but we won't necessarilly fulfill them in the same way that he did. The outer karmic circumstances will be different for everyone but the interior path presents the same initiations. Some of the main ones are:

1) baptism = the "immersion" of our souls in the cleansing fires of inner-spirit.

The fundamentalist 'christian' church has falsely taught that the ritual of immersion in water is the totality of "baptism". "Now you are saved, dry your hair". Well, it is a fine ritual as far as it goes but they teach that 'baptism' fulfills the main requirement in a simplistic formula for being "saved" and "born again". Yet baptism by water is only the outer symbol of an inner process of soul purification by 'immersion' in inner-spirit. And this transformation can take a lifetime or more to achieve not merely a single confession or ritual.

2) Crucifixion.

The vertical bar of the cross represents the Divine Will of the spiritual- Self descending into the incarnate soul. The horizontal bar divides it where it enters matter and this represents the human will. If the soul can surrender and align the human will with the Will of Spirit then the soul can overcome all death consciousness (all negative aspects of the psyche) and emerge victorious from the material plane to return to spirit.

The fundamentalist 'christian' church teaches that the human blood sacrifice of Jesus is essential to the salvation of humanity and thereby that Jesus paid the price for all past and future sins. This concept of a "vicarious at-one-ment" is patently false. Our souls can only be at-one with the Christ if they are vibrationally changed and purified by that spirit. It is a oneness of vibration; a spiritual process which Jesus' human blood cannot accomplish. The idea that a spiritual God needs to be appeased by blood is a disgrace and a hangover from the worst days of Atlantis.

A one time ritual of baptism or a deathbed confession that "my sins are forgiven through the blood of Jesus" simply won't cut it. It is a false prescription that does not in the least, resemble Jesus' teaching on the salvation (the self-elevation) of the soul.

The "blood" (of Christ) symbolises the spiritual light which can flow into each soul from source. It is a metaphor suggesting the "blood" as the essential carrier of the elements of life to every cell in the body, only the body in this case is the Universal Christ in which we all share our being. The "blood" is the river of life and love which changes whatever it touches with life giving creative energy.

The Universal Christ spoke through Jesus saying:

"This is my body (the Universal Christ-consciousness)
which is broken for you" (which is individualised in you all)

"This is my blood (My light essence which nourishes every cell -- each of you -- in my Universal 'Body")
Drink ye all of it." (and live)

Jesus is an ascended spiritual being. If we calm the mind and go within in meditation we can recieve spiritual inspiration. When we commune with the inner Christ presence we commune with Jesus because we are one at that level. He can help us to understand his true teachings and our own psyche so that we too can be washed by the "blood of the lamb" (the inner- Christ Self) and the "word of his testimony" -- the "living word" which is the flow of the spiritual lifeforce within.

The Christ Self is the mediator between the I AM Presence in spirit and the wounded soul trapped in the re-incarnational cycles of time and space. There is no other way to transcend the matrix except through that real- Self.

The Universal Christ spoke through Jesus saying:

"I AM the Way the Truth and the Life
no man (no soul) goeth unto the Father ( none can return to the I AM in Spirit)
but by Me (the Christ -- the mediator -- within All).


3) The Resurrection.

The initiation of the resurrection symbolises the raising of the vibratory rate of consciousness. All fallen aspects of the psyche... greed, envy, hate, fear, arrogance, deciet, etc, are seen for what they are... "dead" vibrations of the ego which only "life" vibrations of spirit can transform and integrate.

The lower- ego was created in ignorance so it is ultimately unreal. It can be proven unreal by soul contact with the Christ flame which separates the (real) soul from the (unreal) ego and consumes it "by fire". The all seeing eye of Christ- consciousness, sees all that vibrates below it and dissolves it. This continual process is the "resurrection of the dead" energy locked within the lower matrix of the ego.

4) The Ascension.

When the soul has balanced her karma and transmuted the lower nature (by loving service to others and meshing with the Christ Mind) then the ascension is not too far away. By walking the initiatic path of self transformation, the soul achieves immortality by fusing to the I AM Presence in spirit... "no more to go in or out" of matter.

This is the resurrection and ascension in the light for each soul. There are many steps on the path, and like Jesus we must take them all to prove the supremacy of spirit over matter.

[whitecrow]

It's refreshing beyond words to see that people really can discuss this question without hostility. So many good posts. Everyone has brought good points to the table.

I don't think that the person we call Jesus actually existed. I'll put that another way: I don't think the biography we have inherited in the Bible is a factual account of a real person. I think those stories are based on a real person, possibly several people, but so many myths and legends are attached to this person that it's impossible to separate fact from embellishment.

I haven't yet used the word truth. I do think the Bible is true, or rather that it reveals profound truths.

The Bahá'is have an important concept in their theology, that of Manifestations. In Bahá'i belief, the Prime Source has conveyed certain key truths to mankind repeatedly, through Manifestations. Manifestations were actual people, like that mysterious individual we call Jesus. Buddha was one. Krishna was one. So was Moses. Bahá'is recognize Muhammad also, and acknowledge that many Manifestations are not known to history. There are those who would include Quetzalcoatl, Deganawidah (teacher of Hiawatha) and White Buffalo Calf Woman in this category. In the Bahá'i teachings, these were followed in modern times by The Báb and Bahá'u'llah.

The importance of the concept lies in the fact that these teachings continue in the form of the world's great religions, and that they all teach the same rules of conduct. Love God. Love each other. Treat each other as holy. Everything else is either commentary or social teachings appropriate to the culture to which it was revealed.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Richard T

...Hell meant <world of the dead> and not a sea of eternal fire.

Man is captive of the world of the dead, therefore, man is a walking dead. That is what he must be saved from.

If not, then he will have to move on and continue his evolution on another planet.

Richard, I think you are closest to my own perspectives here, although you seem to have more of an in depth understanding of it.

On the point of what man 'must' be saved from though... I still don't think it's 'necessary', just nicer.
I do think it is a default of existence however.

I see our spirit as like a Yo-Yo, coming from the One, being placed under layers and layers of ignorance (becoming as the 'walking dead' as you say), yet inevitably, unstoppably, returning through those layers to the One, by virtue of Experience (that thing the One most desires).

It's an ingenious and foolproof method of the One-ness experiencing itself, sending a part of itself out there and knowing it will boomerang back after it's mission is accomplished. We can't mess it up if we wanted to.

Even if someobody purposely tries to be as 'evil' as possible, or is naturally as lost in selfish darkness as anyone possibly could be, that's still just an experience, for that lifetime.
Our higher self (that part of the Oneness sent away from itself) will take the experience on board and learn from it. The Oneness desires such things, therefore we do too. The darkness needs to be explored as much as the light.


Experience need not be sought by us though, it just happens as a natural part of life.
Our physical senses pick it up all the time. We live it every day. Things happen to us as part of living, and by nature we can't help but learn from those experiences, whether we are seeking or not.

So, awareness comes by default.

Eventually we'll reach a point of curiosity though, in this life or the next (or the next, etc.) and try to accelerate the process.
Then we are Seekers, and so here we are... ...looking to take the next step.

Ultimately we realise that love is the path upwards, hate is the path downwards, and make our decisions from there. Love is nicer, and I think the recognition of that is what we call our conscience. It's the signpost in the darkness that points the way. That's why I say we don't need Jesus to point the way, we already have the internal compass.

I don't think it matters if we miss the boat on the next ascension wave through the galaxy, or whatever, though.
It'd be kind of a shame, seeing as it's so close and all, but we'll catch one eventually, in another millenium, or another galaxy.

We've got eternity to figure it all out, and ultimately there's nothing to fear.

[Richard T]

I agree, every person is exactly where he is supposed to be when he is.

The ego might not agree or like it, never being told what or why, but it still is so.

[Jonah]

Mr. T,

With the will of love can we not connect with those races to help them ascend even now? If they are within the astral plane are they not visible? If these races are not capable of being one with the source in they way that we are then it is because they have been denied the allowance of knowledge just as we are. Knowing this, can we not see as they see? Are we not in a similar situation therefore connected?
Isn't that seeing them in one form or another?

[Merkhava]

Jesus the 'Son of Man' became Jesus 'the Christ' (the Sun / Son of God) because he opened and surrendered to the inner light, called in the western scripture "Christos" and in the east, "Krishna" and "Buddha".

I am aware of this viewpoint and the many other ideas you have described in your post. What a long conversation it would be to discuss every point of detail! But I will keep it short and deal with the first you offered, since it is the most important.

I have considered the New Age interpretation that espouses the “Christ-consciousness” and for my own serious consideration, I have to reject it. I think you have it backwards. A son of man didn’t become a god, but rather, the Almighty God (the Logos) became the Son of Man.

I defer to Apostle John, who was the last survivor of The Twelve, who wrote:

“In the beginning (before there was Time) was the Word (the Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. He was present originally with God. All things came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

And the Word became flesh (incarnate) and tabernacled (pitched His tent of flesh awhile) among us; and we saw His majestic glory, such radiance as an only begotten Son receives from His Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-3, 14)

The question is “What is Jesus?”

It is of utmost importance to us each individually to get the answer right, because it speaks to the heart of such matters as:

1) Where did I come from?
2) Why am I and why here?
3) What will become of me?

I accept as fact that the Lord God (YHVH - Adonai Eloheynu) really exists. I also accept as hard fact that the Law of God actually operates in the Universe upon the foundation of Love. I realize for myself that I am responsible and accountable to God under His lawful standards and demands, just as I am responsible and accountable as a citizen to observe the laws of the USA.

I also realize that when I measure myself to the standards and demands of the Law of God, I fall woefully short. I have not yet been able to have just one single day in my life where I could honestly claim that I have perfectly demonstrated love every single moment through my every act, word and thought. I have broken the highest laws of the Universe everyday of my life, and for that I am so sorry. And I have no illusions that the good things I have done in my life are anywhere near enough in merit to adequately redeem me for my wrongs.

I know what I am. I know I will die and it will be a lawful and justified end for me. I know I cannot stop my own death or raise myself from the dead.

So I hope in a Savior who demonstrated that He can. And I rely upon His promise that He will come back for me and raise me physically and literally from the dead, just as He did for Himself by His own power 2000 years ago.

So what is Jesus?

I accept as the truth that Yeshua HaMashiakh is the Almighty God in the flesh. I accept that the Resurrection did really happen and is a literal historical fact, and that that historical event provides a rational basis for me to have hope of eternal life as an immortal son of God.

And I find comfort through all my frustrations and pains in this mortal life when I remember the Lord’s words when He promised:

“Do not let your hearts be distressed with fear by your troubles. You trust in God. Trust also in Me.

In My Father's house there are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I AM going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go away and make ready a place for you, I will without a doubt come back again and will take you to Myself, so that where I AM you may be also. And to the place where I AM going, you know the way.”

Then Thomas said to Him,

“Lord, we don’t know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Yeshua said to him,

“I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had learned to recognize Me, you would also have learned to recognize My Father.”

Regards,
Merkhava

[Ashatav]

Dr. Deagle, with all his inside knowledge, says the ascended masters are part of the illuminati plan (AKA. the Jesuit plan, look at This) and are put in place exactly to diminish the figure of Jehoshua (Jesus) who, with all the investigation I made, is a real figure and the most important man/God in the history.

Actually the New Age movement are put by the pro- NWO (Jesuits, knights of Malta, illuminati, etc).

-Question for a new ager: Why the cristians are inmune to witch magic?-

Look the awsome "Caballo de troya" from J J Benítez (sorry, no english translation for now, but several lenguages have it) who are about a Real secret time travel project to see the life of Jehoshua. Incredible, the man who give the documents to J J Benítez appears in a year first like a young adult an then like a very old man. Exelent masterpiece of 8 books describing in detail the life of the Son of Man (there'll be a 9 and last of them the next year).

Urantia Book.

What every insider says. Bill schnoebelen, C R Hamllet, etc.

Infórmense!

Cheers!

[Richard T]

Hello Vorian's Revenge.

There is no will in love.

And there is no love in will

They, like intelligence, are fundamental energies that do not belong to any. They are 3 manifested Alephs out of seven. And love is the last of the 3 first to manifest.

They manifest as perceptions in the human race on Earth through animal emotions. They are therefore tempered and have no reality here yet. They are a woken dream. We say that these energies are spiritualized and spiritualization is perceived through emotions.

It is not possible, at this point, for humanity to consider helping whoever when it is totally dominated. It will have to go through a number of cycles before it can, as individual consciousnesses, vehicle itself via a morontial body along the axis of its consciousness to the core of the universe of universes and instantaneously return with information, perfect in vibration, that will create new conditions or universal evolution by the verb.

Right now, man must first construct the fields of energy necessary to support the transmigrated energy of his soul's memory away from the astral.

Edit: If not, his mind's access to his reality is astral bound and he must continue his evolution bound to the hierarchies that oversee material evolution. And the material universe is a small place, the tip of a gigantic iceberg.

At this point, the races that want man to succeed ar far beyond the current condition of man. And their mean of ascension, as you say, is not the same as that of man. To them, they already are on the path of their reality. Their means is via the access to information. Not knowledge. Information is the vibrational content while knowledge is but a memory of the vibration, a snapshot. Knowledge does not allow 360 degree information, it is only a tiny window through which you look into a linear direction. Information, by vibration, contains all the potential for causality. It is too vast to be contained within a material brain.

Man must fulfil his destiny before acting what this destiny portends.

You see what I mean?

[Richard T]

Originally Posted by HallieBallie

Pastor Raay Hagins PhD The 1st Creed of Nicea 325 AD part.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nl5adjqZw

There are 5 parts of it.

What the church did was to remove the spirit of the letter and replace it with symbology appropriate to the perpetuation of the conditioning of civilization through a particular type of spirituality.

This symbology calls the believer to see himself a small creature and surrender his consciousness to a concept.

New age has replaced god with one-ness, and so on, suggesting that the individualized consciousness had for some reason to dissolve into a collective pool.

This is a recurring theme.

Collective consciousness, collective unconscious, collective mind, oversoul, one-ness, and what not. All concepts meant to keep the lid on top of the mind.

The spirit of the Nazareen did not infuse here to reduce the individual to a creature but to instill a movement that must result in the construction of a wire, a tube, a tunnel, a bridge, whatever, between the mind and the cosmic network of intelligences that do not need memory to know.

All concepts are memories that contain the spirit. Therefore, all concepts will be destroyed without exception. This is why all sects and secret societies will disappear. Because man won't need to be told to know.

For now, man is told to believe.

[Ashatav]

Amazing Richard T

You Represents exactly all the illuminati Teachings Word by Word!

Awsome!

Cheers!

[milk and honey]

I think we can chew gum and whistle at the same time Richard T.

The concept of oneness reflects divine reality insofar as a harmony of purpose and vibration is concerned for billions of spiritual beings. In other words individuals will always exist even when we all cease to oppose each other from the level of the lower- ego and function instead through the individual spiritual- Self.

Unfortunately, as i see it, some new age teachings are trying to convince us that, if we are indeed ONE then there is no such thing as individuality. They pretend that individuality is an egoic concept unreflective of reality and thus something they'd like to help us get over. We should ask ourselves who benefits from such a "belief"?

I believe the illuminati schemers are trying to hoodwink the dreamers into a new- age collectivism in every area of life including economics, government, art, science, spirituality etc. After all, individuality is passe right?

If would be nothing more than a justification for totalitarianism in the same vein as the marxist state. You know, someone would have to organise us non-persons.

[Jonah]

Richard,
Good morning. If we are to succed, individually I mean. Will that be enough? Or must it be on a massive scale to make a difference? And for those who are able to free themselves from this dominance, once we return from the core, will it be in their world?

[Frank Samuel]

If you look at the fruits on a tree, for example an aplle tree, you will notice that althought is an apple they have different dimensions of shapes some bigger some are smaller, different but same, so are us. In essence we are all composed of the same thing energy, oh so they tell me. mmm I wonder !!!
Oh well pay no mind, I'm just nuts !!!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Not trying to rain on anyones parade here, but grab your umbrella!

I am perplexed as to why people still discuss a charactor that could very well be fictional.
If there is anything to discuss then it is the way of life this 'charactor' lived. THAT is what is important, even if he is fictional his way of life was awesome and instead of discussing it and debating it people should be inorporating this into their lifes. Taking action instead of wasting effort talking.

Its just beyond me why people will devote time to discussing something so insignificant when there are MILLIONS of flying saucers swarming aroung in our atmosphere, lets prioritise here people!