To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about - Page 2

Tango · 12-17-2009, 06:02 PM

You guyz have to go over to the freedom thread.....

Its REAL funny the post about Trolls... Oliver, is pretty funny...

Tango

Tango · 12-17-2009, 06:09 PM

And, this..... Is why I sponsored " rfebres." I can spot the good one's...

Right Off.....

Tango

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfebres

Hey hey....

I am a noob here and way ahead of negativity's tentacles trying to create chaos. I love you all, so easy to see your light coming through even in cyberspace. Mudra, love your post on Silence, don't stop, keep sending us good advice.

Always learning in peace

Roland

Lorien · 12-17-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The solution to the problem is the same as it is in non-digital social life. Ignore people you do not like and move on.

Exactly

Northern Boy · 12-17-2009, 07:35 PM

Dan you need to take your act on the road its time

Humble Janitor · 12-17-2009, 11:11 PM

Always take a break to get your bearings back in order. I don't have a problem with staying away from this place for a few days. I know that when I come back, it will feel "refreshed" and I'll be more willing to contribute good things.

TempestGarden · 12-18-2009, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

The new people (some of them banned) played a game these past 40-50hrs or so, and they drew out the very WORST in some of our members. That in fact has shocked me more than what they did.

Kind of scary how so many people can become really nasty in the blink of an eye, isn't it? It really makes you wonder how far we still have to go.

Initiate · 12-18-2009, 01:27 AM

I hope that I didn't get nasty. I don't think I did. In fact I am sure I didn't.

All I know is I called a spade a spade and could see what was happening a mile off. So could others. It seems a number of moderators sensed it as well and their doing something about it.

Respect to all concerned.

Initiate

Wormhole · 12-18-2009, 01:35 AM

HELLO THERE FOLKS,

I've been VERY quiet and watching lately. I remember when we first came here, what a mess it was. Remember? Then things eventually calmed down and were sorted out, even before the forum became subscription.

I think that the same will happen here now, once again. These things take time. A lot of us have learned, through being here, more about ourselves and how to communicate gracefully while still being able express often passionate views. In a way it is an art, and also a study in patience.

It will calm down. But the Mods have to be going through heck.

I suggest that the Mods PM people who they trust to invite them to become new Mods, even temporary ones, and get the help they need. Thank you Mods for your particular brand of patience and active demonstrations of love.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

mudra · 12-18-2009, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

@Malletzky:

The new people (some of them banned) played a game these past 40-50hrs or so, and they drew out the very WORST in some of our members. That in fact has shocked me more than what they did.

Your calmness does you great credit.

A..

....there is a great deal of hatred and anger and discrimination. How is it possible, in such a state, for people to practice deep looking with the aim of achieving a deep knowledge...So it is necessary to practice mindfulness- it could be Buddhist or Christian- but it is necessary to bring mindfulness to our everyday life. If you are a journalist, a teacher, or a filmmaker you should practice mindfulness- for the sake of your own calm and your own happiness, but also for that of other people as well. Because we need your calm, your compassion, your understanding. So we should be mindful as individuals but also as a community, as a family, as a nation.

Thich Nhat Han :True Love, in the chapter titled 'Everybody Should Practice Mindfulness

Love Always
mudra

Harry_CDN · 12-28-2009, 05:06 PM

Hello,

Phpbb offers one possible answer for dealing with new members.

"Sandbox"

Create a section by default for new members only (post , pm etc). This way it prevents any problems from spreading to other parts of the forum.

Harry

Fredkc · 12-28-2009, 06:32 PM

I try like hell to keep my yap shut, about this subject, and threads like these.

I was a forum mod, and a chat room host for over 7 years, and I will now dispense the ONLY two truths I have seen hold up through that time.

Truth #1. There always are, always be trolls on forums. Yes, this also includes the occasional "functional psychotic" who is reaching out (Aren't we all?). Welcome to the general public. it takes all kinds. But, there is only one way to deal with the destructive ones:

Mokusatsu. It is a Japanese word meaning, "To kill with silence."
It works so well, it is spooky. It is also the prefect "complete solution" to the problem.

"Let me esplain. No, there is no time to esplain. Let me sum up." - Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride

Imagine a nice quiet room, where everyone is talking quietly, then...
Take your avg. garden variety troll, or crazy, and imagine them as taking a big ol' swing at a gong with a huge hammer. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it makes any other conversation but that one difficult.

Now, imagine it from the viewpoint of a "responsible Mod" (and yes, there are quite a few, here).

The minute someone takes up the gauntlet, the waters are muddied. Now they have two folk to deal with, and only "one" problem, and that never works out, either.

With the alternative, "mokusatsu", imagine that same guy, swinging the same hammer, only there is no gong!
1. There is hardly any noise.
2. No argument.
3. No confusion.
What you have is one(1) ea. jerk, wildly swinging a hammer. Easy to spot, easy to deal with, and stuff gets handled.

Now, let me explain why this is almost universally never practiced:
People is people.
Yes, even "99.9999% ascended, psychic, 27th density, self-realized, lotus eating people, is people.
"And you know what stinkers they can be!" - The cabbie in "Harvey"

For every Jerk, there is:

Someone who is absolutely sure it is their duty to tell them they're a jerk,
And someone who will call them a jerk for saying so,
And someone who is outraged that someone would "judge" the other two as jerks, by calling them jerks,
And someone who just has to point out, this is beginning to sound like a bunch of jerks, arguing.
THEN you have both a post AND a new thread all about "Something must be done!"

Not counting counter-responses, we are up to 6 posts already, and a new thread.

Now, doesn't "mokusatsu" sound like it's worth the effort? I think so. I live in hope but, pardon me if I don't hold my breath

Truth #2. "Rules beget lawyers."
The notion of a "clear cut, well thought out" set of rules is an enticing one. It has all the promise of a poster's paradise "real soon now".

It's a sucker bet. One that I have fallen for a couple times. I repeat: "Rules beget lawyers."

What you always wind up with, is some poor slob (or God save us all, a committee!), slaving away at the next "perfct rule book". What will you get for your trouble?

The instant it's done, comes a "howling pack of forum lawyers" who seem to have all day to spend arguing every fine point, every word; trying out every "flaw", every loophole, and crevice, with a post proving their point, and another arguing it, as well.

Result?
Endless posts, endless threads no one really wants to read, mostly NOT about the forum's topic of discussion.

Is there an answer? (boy, I bet you never thought I'd get here, huh?)

I dunno if there is A answer, I do know one that seems to work.

A good bunch of VERY good hearted, and VERY thick skinned mods who use a simple idea towards hosting:

If you do not know what it means to behave as a guest in someone's home, either:
a) Learn it fast, or
b) Learn it elsewhere.

It's just as simple as that.

I wish you luck,
Fred

shybastid · 12-28-2009, 07:05 PM

I have never responded to someone for the sake of argument. I have only tryed to add my 2 cents if it had any value to the topic.
Ignoring the negative attacks has always worked for me.

A difference in opinions is added value to any topic.
I'm directed or swayed by additional information as it's presented to me. I want to be "enlightened", and appreciate sound logical input on a topic.
I read 32 pages of posts on MMS before I made my decision to purchase it.
(Don't get me started on my results..Long Story.. I'm back on it again January 1st. That stuff is NOT candy. Effective as heck..Read the Rulebook tho.)
Everyones input helped me draw my own conclusions on whether to buy it or not. Good and Bad.
Other topics also lead me to my own conclusions.Good and Bad opinions included. Negative comments to troll? I read past them easily.

12-17-2009, 06:02 PM	#26
Tango Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: eating dessert in the desert of Arizona Posts: 1,554	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about You guyz have to go over to the freedom thread..... Its REAL funny the post about Trolls... Oliver, is pretty funny... Tango

12-17-2009, 07:35 PM	#29
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about Dan you need to take your act on the road its time

12-17-2009, 11:11 PM	#30
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about Always take a break to get your bearings back in order. I don't have a problem with staying away from this place for a few days. I know that when I come back, it will feel "refreshed" and I'll be more willing to contribute good things.

12-18-2009, 01:27 AM	#32
Initiate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 391	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about I hope that I didn't get nasty. I don't think I did. In fact I am sure I didn't. All I know is I called a spade a spade and could see what was happening a mile off. So could others. It seems a number of moderators sensed it as well and their doing something about it. Respect to all concerned. Initiate

12-18-2009, 01:35 AM	#33
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about HELLO THERE FOLKS, I've been VERY quiet and watching lately. I remember when we first came here, what a mess it was. Remember? Then things eventually calmed down and were sorted out, even before the forum became subscription. I think that the same will happen here now, once again. These things take time. A lot of us have learned, through being here, more about ourselves and how to communicate gracefully while still being able express often passionate views. In a way it is an art, and also a study in patience. It will calm down. But the Mods have to be going through heck. I suggest that the Mods PM people who they trust to invite them to become new Mods, even temporary ones, and get the help they need. Thank you Mods for your particular brand of patience and active demonstrations of love. Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart, Wormhole

12-28-2009, 05:06 PM	#35
Harry_CDN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 52	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about Hello, Phpbb offers one possible answer for dealing with new members. "Sandbox" Create a section by default for new members only (post , pm etc). This way it prevents any problems from spreading to other parts of the forum. Harry

12-28-2009, 06:32 PM	#36
Fredkc Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Riverside, ca. Posts: 898	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about I try like hell to keep my yap shut, about this subject, and threads like these. I was a forum mod, and a chat room host for over 7 years, and I will now dispense the ONLY two truths I have seen hold up through that time. Truth #1. There always are, always be trolls on forums. Yes, this also includes the occasional "functional psychotic" who is reaching out (Aren't we all?). Welcome to the general public. it takes all kinds. But, there is only one way to deal with the destructive ones: Mokusatsu. It is a Japanese word meaning, "To kill with silence." It works so well, it is spooky. It is also the prefect "complete solution" to the problem. "Let me esplain. No, there is no time to esplain. Let me sum up." - Inigo Montoya, Princess Bride Imagine a nice quiet room, where everyone is talking quietly, then... Take your avg. garden variety troll, or crazy, and imagine them as taking a big ol' swing at a gong with a huge hammer. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it makes any other conversation but that one difficult. Now, imagine it from the viewpoint of a "responsible Mod" (and yes, there are quite a few, here). The minute someone takes up the gauntlet, the waters are muddied. Now they have two folk to deal with, and only "one" problem, and that never works out, either. With the alternative, "mokusatsu", imagine that same guy, swinging the same hammer, only there is no gong! 1. There is hardly any noise. 2. No argument. 3. No confusion. What you have is one(1) ea. jerk, wildly swinging a hammer. Easy to spot, easy to deal with, and stuff gets handled. Now, let me explain why this is almost universally never practiced: People is people. Yes, even "99.9999% ascended, psychic, 27th density, self-realized, lotus eating people, is people. "And you know what stinkers they can be!" - The cabbie in "Harvey" For every Jerk, there is: Someone who is absolutely sure it is their duty to tell them they're a jerk, And someone who will call them a jerk for saying so, And someone who is outraged that someone would "judge" the other two as jerks, by calling them jerks, And someone who just has to point out, this is beginning to sound like a bunch of jerks, arguing. THEN you have both a post AND a new thread all about "Something must be done!" Not counting counter-responses, we are up to 6 posts already, and a new thread. Now, doesn't "mokusatsu" sound like it's worth the effort? I think so. I live in hope but, pardon me if I don't hold my breath Truth #2. "Rules beget lawyers." The notion of a "clear cut, well thought out" set of rules is an enticing one. It has all the promise of a poster's paradise "real soon now". It's a sucker bet. One that I have fallen for a couple times. I repeat: "Rules beget lawyers." What you always wind up with, is some poor slob (or God save us all, a committee!), slaving away at the next "perfct rule book". What will you get for your trouble? The instant it's done, comes a "howling pack of forum lawyers" who seem to have all day to spend arguing every fine point, every word; trying out every "flaw", every loophole, and crevice, with a post proving their point, and another arguing it, as well. Result? Endless posts, endless threads no one really wants to read, mostly NOT about the forum's topic of discussion. Is there an answer? (boy, I bet you never thought I'd get here, huh?) I dunno if there is A answer, I do know one that seems to work. A good bunch of VERY good hearted, and VERY thick skinned mods who use a simple idea towards hosting: If you do not know what it means to behave as a guest in someone's home, either: a) Learn it fast, or b) Learn it elsewhere. It's just as simple as that. I wish you luck, Fred __________________ "Life IS mystical! It's just that we're used to it" Evil cannot be killed. Only redeemed. Chat us up at: Avalon Chat

12-28-2009, 07:05 PM	#37
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: To the persons in charge (Owners, Mods etc)...something to think about I have never responded to someone for the sake of argument. I have only tryed to add my 2 cents if it had any value to the topic. Ignoring the negative attacks has always worked for me. A difference in opinions is added value to any topic. I'm directed or swayed by additional information as it's presented to me. I want to be "enlightened", and appreciate sound logical input on a topic. I read 32 pages of posts on MMS before I made my decision to purchase it. (Don't get me started on my results..Long Story.. I'm back on it again January 1st. That stuff is NOT candy. Effective as heck..Read the Rulebook tho.) Everyones input helped me draw my own conclusions on whether to buy it or not. Good and Bad. Other topics also lead me to my own conclusions.Good and Bad opinions included. Negative comments to troll? I read past them easily.