WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US?

[seeing clearly]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Well I'm not sure if you understand the scale of force that is necessary to pin down 300 Million people that have always lived Free.

We all have Gun Cabinets with enough Amo to take out a small army squad. And that's in every household...

And you also have the fact that we don't want to fight, and they don't want to kill us.

You say they wouldn't think twice about attacking, but remember, all of my Marine buddies, and every cop on the force would be standing against an invading army.

Communications would be cut, the Government propoganda machine halted.

What will Stand is freedom.

I come from the Bloodline of Washington, I will not go down without a fight...

all our guns will be for naught.

TYRANNY has weapons that can fry our brains from a mile away
and others that can freeze us and throw us down unable to move a
finger and just wait to be put in a truck to be taken.......?



siggggghhhh.......


~

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Well I'm not sure if you understand the scale of force that is necessary to pin down 300 Million people that have always lived Free.

We all have Gun Cabinets with enough Amo to take out a small army squad. And that's in every household...

And you also have the fact that we don't want to fight, and they don't want to kill us.

You say they wouldn't think twice about attacking, but remember, all of my Marine buddies, and every cop on the force would be standing against an invading army.

Communications would be cut, the Government propoganda machine halted.

What will Stand is freedom.

I come from the Bloodline of Washington, I will not go down without a fight...

The civilians of this world are still working with technology that is absolutely obsolete. This race posess alien technologys beyond most peoples comprehension.

This to me is checkmate. Our King is left open and all thats left is for them to take their final move. The stage is set.

With the technology 'they' have i am almost certain that they would have no problem faking an alien visit.
Advanced holographic technology is a reality, you can find that out for yourself by doing a bit of research.

So what if.. Some race of beings came to visit us, we are after all being de-sensitised to the whole idea. And this race of beings told us they would fix all our problems if we would just stop figting and give up our arms.

Were at such a stage of mindless violence and corruption that the people will do anything for the promise of peace.

I cant see them coming this far and coming up short, can you?

[Slim]

Ok, i`m going out on a limb here, with our American friends.
In my mind george w and his lot were told to stage 9/11.
Does anone think that a similar, our worse senario will occur before the November elections?
My understanding, please correct me if i am wrong, is that if a national disaster, or emergency were to occur, george w would stay in control of the American Nation?
Mind you, what worries me more, is that if McCain is elected and dies, the pitbull with lipstick would then be in control.
That sends shivers down my spine.
Mind you i`ve only read about her comments in the Aussie media, ie. controled information output.

Cheers,
Slim.

[bodzoyfa]

and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

exchanger, you believe in hell?!

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by skyking

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

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skyking...look at phil schneider's testimony on youtube, david icke, alex jones, etc. THEY ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF UN TROOPS HERE. they brought them here to do the dirty work, bec. in case american troops won't turn on their own, the UN troops will (russians, germans, eastern european, etc.).

and i too don't want to create fear, but i just feel it's a duty to warn people. do you realize this is similar to the time of nazi germany?... if you do nothing to inform people and you know what's going to happen then you are complicit. and i agree, this forum is about TRUTH as unpleasant as that might be.

[Oiran]

I agree with your points, Dolphin. IF we reach a point of Martial Law, foreign military will step in to do the "dirty work," if need be.

Also, in reference to SkyKing's point, ("Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area.") I have heard from several in-the-know sources that IF sh*t hits the fan, Los Angeles will be abandoned all together. I was told that LA, Atlanta and New York City have already been deemed, "Abandonment Zones," (I'm sure there are others, but these three I have heard from several independent sources) meaning the military and police will simply leave.... then it will be "every man for himself."

Hopefully, this worst-case-scenario does not unfold, but as we all know, the future is not written in stone.

[Morgan]

Something that could indicate an answer to this query is a German film 'Das Experiment' from 2001. A study where a group of men were divided into prisoners and prison guards. Let's just say the people conducting the study lost control of the guards, to put it nicely.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by bodzoyfa

and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

exchanger, you believe in hell?!

i believe in "greater" potential places,
and, also "lesser" places
and, being in this NOW
(and, now, can be hell, if you do NOT play your cards right)

the sum of your set of choices
i call "The Consquences",
and, it is my belief,
that this, is the guiding force,
that propels you to discovering potentials,
greater/or lesser,
than, the place you are right NOW

NOW, is simply...The Pivot, that you sit in

to make choices / or, to observe

since i have NEVER been to hell
(at least NOT in this lifetime)
i can NOT know that to be a fact
(instead, it would merely be an opinion)

i have taken a journey
into the underworlds,
to "retieve" things...
just, as, i have taken journeys
to other dimensions, and,
other worlds
(however, i can NOT prove this)
to be a fact, it just is, what it is

after_all, hell, can eXist, right here on earth

so, would it NOT, depend largely,
on your definition of a hell,
and, what my definition of hell,
would be, before hell could be properly debated
and, the truth of its existence be revealed

so, in saying that,
it would be impossible to debate someone,
if, both, have NOT clearly tabled,
their own definitions for places/or things
such as hell

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[Orion Morris]

Rocky Shorz I have to say that I agree with seeing clearly on this issue. Even if we took up our guns and battled we would loose. Like seeing clearly said they would use foreign troops to contain us. Our police would not show up to work on a day like that and we would be individuals then. This is why we need to join togeather now and bring all of humanity to an understanding that we are all the same their is no enemy their is just different levels of understanding. Our country has never been free and until our conciusness wakes up we will never be free.
Right now were free to do as they tell us.

[visual co-creator]

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[JohnWdoe]

Debatable thread indeed.

Some police are nice people well others just look for something to hit, i have a personal feeling they will NOT turn against us in droves but maybe some will turn. Police officers deal with "vile" "scummy" "poor" "crazed" people everyday as they say, i would not be surprised if some corrupt police turn against humanity and take out the trash (as they would say).

I have met many cops who actually are quite "tuned" into the daily process of being an officer, its interesting because he looked at me like i wasnt even human (more so not there) we could go into over working and being burnt out but i think we all understand that.

So i was speaking with this officer and happened to express my opinions in a genuine way and he snapped right out of his mindset and realized it wasnt just another ticket but a human being, we ended up talking about life for awhile and he said to me "boy if i hadnt of talked to you id think your a punk" i laughed and told him to bring that back to his people well mocking a native american, he got the idea i was going for.

Judge me and ill kindly poke fun at the judgment with a paradox, he walked away chewing on the idea for a couple hours

[arcora]

Remember,

They will be out in droves once the feces hits the fan. They and their families will be safe and well fed. The multitudes will not be.

They will justify their actions to keep themselves and families out of trouble. They will not want to cross the line and jump into the mess. It is human nature.

[Antaletriangle]

In the U.K. traffic wardens have been given PACE cards in a clandestine manner.This gives them the right to do the job of a police officer,i.e. searching your home, arresting and may be able to carry guns.Why have they been given these powers in an undisclosed format?I think it's quite obvious-if any martial law is declared then the police officers will be as extra soldiers that will be needed by the black cabal to try and restrain the general populus,thus the traffic wardens will do the police job.


http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/fo...howtopic=41772






The following story comes from David Icke's newsletter and although the story is'nt sourced.The BBC have reported today that traffic wardens will now be called "civil enforcement officers".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7318669.stm

What does the future hold that would that would require Traffic Wardens to carry "PACE" cards, or the authority to enter your premises?


David Icke Newsletter, March 30th 2008

IS THE 'METER MAID' ...



... COMING INTO YOUR HOME?

Hello all ...

Many people will remember the Beatles song, Lovely Rita, from the Sgt. Pepper's album released in 1967. It's theme is a 'meter maid', one of the thousands of women - and men, of course - who walk the streets of Britain pasting fines onto the windscreens of vehicles parked in 'violation' of the parking laws.

As the Beatles sang ...

Lovely Rita meter maid
Nothing can come between us
When it gets dark I tow your heart away
Standing by a parking meter
When I caught a glimpse of Rita
Filling in a ticket in her little white book
In a cap she looked much older
And the bag across her shoulder
Made her look a little like a military man

These 'Meter Maids' are known officially as 'traffic wardens' or 'parking attendants' and their numbers have exploded in the last few years, along with the money they are fleecing from drivers for often the most minor and insignificant of alleged 'offences'.

It's become yet another money-scam to steal still more of the peoples' income, but from what I have been told in the last week it is soon to become much more than that. This is a story about specific plans for the UK, but it is highly relevant to readers of these newsletters across the world because the same principle, or lack of it, will apply everywhere.

I have said many times in my books and these newsletters that a fascist dictatorship cannot impose itself only from the 'top'. It has to infiltrate the fine detail of our lives and that means recruiting from the people to police the people. Unfortunately, there is no shortage of takers and it may be about to get a whole lot more serious.



I received a letter from a UK traffic warden last week who reads my books and has become deeply alarmed at what he has been told is happening - facts confirmed by his own experience.

I can't give his name or the county in which he works to protect his identity from his employers, but I have had a long conversation with him and seen the 'cards' he referred to in his letter.

The man, I will call him 'Andy' to keep the text simple, has been a traffic warden for some two decades and his job has always been focussed on issues relating to traffic and parking law - nothing else - because that is all that traffic wardens are supposed to be involved with.

All was well, he said, until about five years ago when changes in management brought a whole new change of emphasis. Suddenly, it was no longer about keeping the traffic moving efficiently; it was all about issuing as many parking tickets as possible to increase dramatically the money taken from motorists in fines.

Andy said that many wardens left in protest with comments like 'The heart has been ripped out of this job' and 'We are now managed by robots'.

This has happened all over the country, something I have emphasised from time to time in these newsletters. I also obtained the figures for my own local council on the Isle of Wight under the Freedom of Information Act to establish that the revenue taken from drivers in parking fines on this one little island has soared by hundreds of thousands of pounds a year since 2004 - around the same period that 'Andy' talks about in his case.



However, increasing revenue on such a vast scale, it seems, was only stage one.

In his letter, Andy described how he was asked to see his office manager for a 'quiet word', during which he was given three cards for himself and his colleagues:

* The first card dealt with his work on parking issues. Fair enough, that's his job, but the other two left him bewildered and increasingly concerned at what was going on.

* Card number two was a 'Pace' card, which is short for 'Police Action and Court Evidence, with the words that police officers have to say in law when they are arresting someone:

'You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.'

Traffic wardens have no need whatsoever to know this police caution text because they are not in a position where they would - or can at present - use it. Only the police and some other government law enforcement officers have this power of arrest.

* The third card authorised Andy and his colleagues to act on behalf of the council for the enforcement of various statutory provisions - 'including entering and inspecting premises'.

What the hell has entering and inspecting premises and the words said during a police arrest got to do with people who simply issue tickets to motorists illegally parked??

This was the question Andy put to his bosses when the cards were issued, but he was told that they had been ordered to distribute the cards and Andy should just keep them safe until he was told to use them.

Some time later, Andy met a police officer he knew from some years before. After a general chat among other wardens, the officer pulled Andy aside and said he wanted to speak in private.

The officer said that Andy should not breathe a word of what he was about to tell him, and he was only telling him the information because he was an old friend.

He said that for months he had been on 'special duties' coordinating a top secret operation, meeting with 'top brass' from the police and national and local government. This was happening all over the country, he said, and certain officers had been chosen - or were having to do - what he was doing.

The officer asked for another promise from Andy not to reveal details of the conversation before saying that the government was preparing for what he was about to reveal 'well, well, in advance'. They were expecting ...

'... a war, a lot of riots, a lot of very big trouble.'

The officer said that he understood that Andy and his colleagues had been given a number of cards, one with the Pace caution and one giving permission to enter various premises.

'Let's just say, I know, now, the reason you have been given them is because when all of this happens, and it will, we [the police] will be on the front line with the armed forces and people in your kind of jobs ... parking wardens, security officers, CCTV operatives and so on will be required to do our job.'

'You must be joking, that's crazy', Andy replied.

'I'm not joking', the officer said, this is on the level. I am just putting you wise to what will happen, but the main thing is please don't tell anyone.'

This would fit in the sense that if the UK government entered into another war, say with Iran in league with the United States, there would undoubtedly be massive civil unrest in protest. And once the public in large numbers start to realise that the conspiracy I have been warning about all these years is happening, there is further enormous potential for civil resistance.

Now here was this police officer talking about having the military on the streets of Britain to deal with the protests and have no doubt that the same will be planned for other countries.



A few days after Andy wrote to me and we had a follow up conversation, I saw a story in the UK Daily Mail and some other papers about plans to rename traffic wardens 'civil enforcement officers'.

What an Orwellian title this is and right in line with what Andy was told. These newly-designated 'civil enforcement officers' will have added powers to:

• Hand out tickets for littering, fly-posting and graffiti.

• Issue fixed-penalty notices for driving in bus-lanes or jumping red lights.

• Report anti-social behaviour and be involved in collecting evidence for 'Asbos' - Anti-Social-Behaviour-Orders.

• Be summoned in front of a parking regulator in court to give evidence.

But, of course, these are only stepping-stones, the Totalitarian Tiptoe, to what these 'civil enforcement officers' are designed eventually to be - law enforcement officers with at least many of the powers of the current police. Their job will be to spy on the people on behalf of the fascist dictatorship, which is precisely the structure they had in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Traffic wardens have already had their powers increased in the last five years to include offences previously dealt with only by trained police officers and we have clearly seen nothing yet. Traffic wardens are now being described in some reports as the 'eyes and ears' of the police and we also have the 14,000 (and rising) 'Special Constables', volunteer members of the public who wear a uniform and outrageously, as their website confirms, have full police powers.

Once again, the 'Special Constabulary' so often attracts the very last people that should have such powers over anyone.

The Hidden Hand is building the personnel to police the fascist State in readiness for the time when enough people start to realise what is really happening.



There are some genuine, decent traffic wardens like Andy, but large numbers of those have been leaving the job because they could not stand the way their roles had been changed and the management dictatorship they now have to deal with.

It is no longer about serving the public, but simply imposing more and more fines to generate more and more money and that attracts a very different kind of person to those we had in much greater numbers before.

It attracts those who are quite willing to rip off the public on behalf of the government without a word of protest or conscience. I have written before in these newsletters of how it has changed in my own town in just this way. The traffic is moving no better than it did before - only the till.

The thought of some of these arrogant, strutting John Wayne-wannabees in their silly hats getting many of the powers of the police presents a quite horrible picture. At least one of them in my town would do the public a far greater service by having a bath than getting the power to enter their homes.

The uniform does attract some people with a desire to serve the public and what a nightmare it must be for those genuine and thinking wardens still in the job. But ever more today it is a magnet for those who want power over others - the very last personality-type that should be given such power.

Ahhh, but that's precisely the character trait desired by the system because these fodder in uniform, the peons who only think they have power, are simply there to be robotic, unquestioning, indeed unthinking, enforcers of the dictatorship.

They have no power themselves, except in their fevered minds. Their only 'power' is to serve the orders of the dictatorship and when they don't comply their 'power' is removed, for it was never theirs in the first place.



Nazi Germany was awash with them in every community and without them the famous names, the Hitlers and Himmlers, could not have imposed their will or identified those challenging their horrors.

All dictatorships need the little people to do that, the 'Yessir', cap-touchers in uniform, who take the Führer's dollar to enforce the will of the few on the many and spill the beans on those who refuse to submit and conform.

It makes them feel 'big', important' people when, in truth, they come no smaller.

In so many ways, what is happening in this regard mirrors what has happened in Canada with the government's 'Human Rights' Commission, exposed at length on my website, where peoples' human rights are abused and disregarded by a bunch of untrained, biased, and corrupt officials who have to meet none of the legal criteria of a real court and thus allow justice to be bypassed to serve their own self-obsessions and personal hatreds.

Here we have an unfolding plan to give power over peoples' lives to the untrained, often brain-dead-in-uniform who, from personal experience, I would not trust to summon two brain cells on active duty.

No, they are not all like that, of course not, but enough are to make what I am describing here something that we need urgently to address.

It's also another indication of how detailed is this agenda for mass human control and how coordinated. Firstly, the number of traffic wardens was increased by turning it all into a money-making exercise and no longer one dedicated to public service; this attracted not only lots more traffic wardens to the streets, but often the kind of person who is quite happy to fleece the public to the greatest extent possible on behalf of the government; then they change the designation from 'traffic warden' to 'civil enforcement officers' and start to give them the powers of the police.

To those who still say there is no conspiracy, the no-conspiracy theorists, as I call them, I would ask this question: Do you really believe that the above sequence has only happened by 'accident' when it is only one of millions of convenient 'sequences' that have led us to the Orwellian State??

Breathe, Dave, breathe.

The rabbit hole is indeed deeper than even the more aware people begin to imagine.

[100thmonkey]

They don't need to control everybody, just the survivors.

I think that if martial law is declared in the US it will only happen in response to some major event. If this is disease or bio-weapon related then that would easily be reason to declare certain areas 'abandonement zones' as mentioned, and would also justify the use of extreme measures in general population control.

Along with this it would also seem more justified in the eyes of the people and, as always, patriots will obey their authorities in such circumstances.
If martial law had been declared in New York after 9/11 there'd probably be as much patriotic support for it as resistance, especially if there was a story to go with it, like, "We've got word there are still plots in development", and so on.

Don't forget elites like Bush Sr, Cheney, etc. also have their own personal SS in the form of their Blackwater Mercenaries and others (Blackwater is approx. 190,000 fully equipped hardcore war fans).
The elites don't have to call on official gov't forces to be able to wield military force.

They have their lists of people to round up. When a situation of martial law is declared, in the initial period of civilian dumbfounded obedience in response to the scare of whatever threat has precipitated it, will be when these forces go and round up the leaders and noted members of groups that they know will resist the official martial law forces.

By the time the general population ever realise what is really going on they will have no leadership to guide any united resistance, and can be controlled more easily... especially if population levels have been drastically reduced by bioweapons, etc.

At least in theory...

...but never fear, the North American Union will be the salvation ...the Phoenix rising from the ashes of the old USA...

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by illuminati_reject

I was having a conversation with a buddy who is also in the know and he doesn't think our own will turn against us and there will not be enough foreign troops to come in and do the job. Can our cops, who our citizens in our own comunities, go against the constitution, their freinds and famliy? What are your thoughts?

They are not ours!
They belong to George Bush and Gordon Brown and the like and yes they will do there job professionally because that's what they are good at!

[Greg10036]

There is not a military or police force in the world big enough to take on the American people. Every one of them know this nation would be bloodied inch by inch with their own blood. The only way for a government to take on the American people would be to nuke us. We are a nation of peaceful warriors. Were civil war to happen, in the words of Admiral Yamamoto, who bombed Pearl Harbor but did not want to, "We have awakened a sleeping lion." Keep the faith. Love and Peace.
Greg

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Greg10036

There is not a military or police force in the world big enough to take on the American people.
Greg

And now a new dimension has opened, this is one nation under God and many of us are lighting up with the strength to go head to head with the most powerful of the Illuminati, the difference is, we know who they are and where to concentrate our energies against them.

Many of us are in direct communications with ETs that have promised to step in when they are needed...

The current powers have no clue of the strength they are going to be up against...

I have delivered 3 messages that have been followed by disasters of Biblical proportions.

This is a Spiritual Battle, and the Earth Angels are raising their swords, prepared for this coming battle...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I have connected with both Bush and Putin, and neither man is evil or wants the world to escalate to Nuclear war. Putin has made a quick cold world build-up just to let the powers that be know if the move happens it will be painful.

Two players in this mess are wicked and I am unable to touch the heart of either because of the darkness surrounding them. The Grande Ayasolla from Iran and Chavez.

Those of you who know how to share the light, need to concentrate on both of them to break them free from the binds keeping them from being touched by the light.

I think if we get through to both of them, that this will all be over...

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

...The Grande Ayasolla from Iran and Chavez.
...
I think if we get through to both of them, that this will all be over...

I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters.

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters.

Thank you! lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters.

one is too old to worry about the other just wants to sell weapons...

I've already looked into Cheney, he's powered by greed but isn't surrounded by darkness...

I visited him at time of his heart problems... he's not one to worry about.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was on the water several hundred yards from him when he was hooked while out fishing. Back then he was powerful, but let down his defenses when he was injured. That was my first awakening that not all American's have halos...

He's too weak to be a part of the upcoming battle...

[Humble Janitor]

This is the reason why the second amendment must remain in place. Even though I personally hate guns, I cannot justify dis-arming the population as a whole because it removes the ability to fight back in nightmare scenarios, such as the one mentioned in this thread.

[taiji]

yes i belive so ... it all depend if the have a inplante or a frequence that will affete there jugement

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by End_Times012

This is the reason why the second amendment must remain in place. Even though I personally hate guns, I cannot justify dis-arming the population as a whole because it removes the ability to fight back in nightmare scenarios, such as the one mentioned in this thread.

From the horses mouth:

SBN: 06-080332-0
Harper & Row, Publishers
Aleksanderl. Solzhenitsyn The Gulag Archipeago

Chapter 1, Arrest, Page 13, subnote 5 (To be complete.)

"And how we burned in the camps later, Thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?

Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the city, people had not simply sat there in their liars, paling with terror at every bang of the down-stairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose . And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroath. Or what about the black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur-- what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quicky have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have groud to a halt!"

May his soul experience infinity in peace.