Between Lives - A Deeper Look

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Gnosis5, it looks like you also encounter positive beings some of the time, after all. You mentioned Maitreya, and that lecture by Hubbard in Philadelphia.

Yes, you’re right. My preferred approach to self-development these days involves usually accessing positive beings, such as guardian angels and healing angels, and also my Higher Self as far as possible. But they usually all turn up whenever I begin doing meditation, and stay at least until I finish. I’ve observed that a number of other people I know who are experienced meditators have something similar happen to them while they meditate. As far as I understand, the angels download helpful positive information into my mind/heart and remove some of the energies of undesirable habits by guiding me to relevant insights. Usually I’m not aware of the content of their information at the time, but I invariably feel a strong tingling at some point of my head. Sometimes it feels like part of the skull or head has been cut open. Occasionally I manage to tune in to what they want to communicate to me. Certainly, it does help to eventually identify and face exactly what info they have been giving. But this approach is kind of like having a sea of positivity that gradually but precisely comes to envelop islands of negativity within it.

What you describe indicates to me as a valid part of the whole picture, truth seeming to have almost infinite layers, until even truth disappears at the point of the original Static, but since I have barely been there I can only tell you what others report in their sessions.

I recall a lifetime as a priestess in an Arcturian system and we likewise appealed to other beings for guidance and support and the people came to us for assistance with their problems. Now beings (some are large fields of consciousness) come to me while I am having a session, and they either 1) wish to stop or swerve my sessions, or 2) receive a session for themselves. No one goes away unhappy or without having their consciousness raised :-)

Implanters are a part of the picture, not the whole, but a part, even though they have been doing their work for eons (they are connected with hyperversals). They love playing angel and devil, sort of like good cop/bad cop, and the fact that I also played both sides of all the games that exist, makes me somewhat vulnerable. Thus, better for me to be wary like a fox.

At Static one sees how they themselves created all this "Divine Comedy" and that helps one pull oneself out of the spiritual quicksand they got themselves into. Even the Maitreya being who connected with me in a very beautiful mockup, dropped his golden suit and ascended right in front of my spiritual vision. What is it about my techniques that Maitreya likes and supports?

George Kasavalas speaks verily when he warns others about the methods of the implanters: Whatever we created and then denied we become the unwilling effect of. This is why I suggest people take a deeper and closer look at their guides and angelic experiences....and keep one's own counsel.

Any being (or machine) who can read your mind can "play" you if that is their intention. What one chooses to remain ignorant about can adversely affect them. Thus I publish

Once again, thank you for the data, and I have taken counsel with myself regarding the data. Too bad they did not widely publish their compiled results.

best,
gnosis

[TraineeHuman]

I would certainly like to know what they themselves compiled at the end of their project. Would save me a lot of compiling work :-) I am of the mindset that any technology or technique can be improved upon.

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

[TraineeHuman]

Implanters are a part of the picture, not the whole, but a part, even though they have been doing their work for eons (they are connected with hyperversals). They love playing angel and devil, sort of like good cop/bad cop, and the fact that I also played both sides of all the games that exist, makes me somewhat vulnerable. Thus, better for me to be wary like a fox.

At Static one sees how they themselves created all this "Divine Comedy" and that helps one pull oneself out of the spiritual quicksand they got themselves into. Even the Maitreya being who connected with me in a very beautiful mockup, dropped his golden suit and ascended right in front of my spiritual vision. What is it about my techniques that Maitreya likes and supports?

George Kasavalas speaks verily when he warns others about the methods of the implanters: Whatever we created and then denied we become the unwilling effect of. This is why I suggest people take a deeper and closer look at their guides and angelic experiences....and keep one's own counsel.

Any being (or machine) who can read your mind can "play" you if that is their intention. What one chooses to remain ignorant about can adversely affect them. Thus I publish

I’m quite aware of the existence of what you call “implanters”. Maybe I can say more at another time. The first question I would ask, though, is: “Do you, or did you, create full psychic protection around yourself before taking part in a process?” Personally, I go to great lengths to create a number of different kinds of psychic protection before I do anything or go anywhere. As far as I’m aware, it works. (A similar opinion is ahred by many who are expert in fields such as psychic healing and so on.) There was a thread a couple of days ago regarding orgone energy. Supposedly, orgone energy wards off negative intelligences. I do, for example, also have an orgone accumulator in my living room.

It would take much too long to explain why I consider I know for certain that the beings I identify as guardian angels and healing angels actually are that. (And yes, I know, they come from the sixth dimension and therefore operate at such a subtle level it takes considerable skill to manage to identify them with any accuracy.) I do trust them, and these days I don't question their motives, I have to admit. But I do question everybody else's motives frequently, including my own.

Here are just a couple of my thoughts, though. I’m aware that various beings in the fourth dimension can be very deceptive. Nevertheless, if you challenge them by saying something like: “Show me your essence” and holding that thought still, in my experience they have no option but to drop their misleading façade. Completely. Then, in the sixth dimension, in my experience, what you see is what you get. There simply is no lying or insincerity there. The fifth dimension seems to be almost as good too, in my experience.

Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire.

[greybeard]

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

If the psychotherapies you adhere to are working for you then your reality is to be respected and you do not need to get the backing or validation or anyone or experience any need to convert others to your approach. Same with my own realities and I don't need to cite "authorities" or convert anyone to R3X. :-)

BTW, this is getting off-topic and how does what you are writing about directly tie in with the discoveries I made of between lives implanters?

My thread is a warning about implanters and an example of how to directly address this issue. If you can contribute to a reduction of the problem some people are having with these fellas please post here, thank you.

There is enough empirical evidence to show that there are implanters and there are implanters that operate on a person in between lives. My thread is published as a Public Service Announcement regarding my personal experience with between lives implanters and implantation methodologies, and how I beat the System :-)

cheers!
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Quote: "Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire."

Since I have heard this argument before I know this is not your original thought, therefore I leave the arguing up to you and your opinion leaders :-)

cheers!
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

Chris, you make a more complete picture than I made in this thread and posting this thread was not meant to deny other people's levels of awareness or higher vibrations, but only with what I experienced at my then vibrations when I died last lifetime. I definitely got what I vibrationally deserved :-) I too am aware of a more whole picture.

But, see! now I'm laughing whereas before I was not laughing. What got me out was going in and looking at what got me in, in the first place. I simply went for the full truth revolving around my particular between lives experiences, and I broke out of agreement with the unconscious type commands and messages that were heavily laid in on me. The best therapies address a being where he/she is at.

Last lifetime I died a miserable and deserved death. This lifetime I will die happy because I chose a different path, a more consistent consciousness raising path. This lifetime has been a big turnaround for me, and probably you have reason to feel the same way about your life. Saved at the last hour, so to speak LOL!

All worked out for good, for now I can at least be of service to others who have experienced the same level of treatment I experienced. I also no longer have any energy ridges or negative emotions towards implanters. We have all most likely been there and done that too: Looking at hundreds of past life recalls is a type of "education".

I'm sure hoping that next between lives I will choose to experience more clarity and remembrance and compassion. Perhaps someday I will be one of the good angels that gives people the courage to continue on their journey of awakening

And there will come a time when we can put away our angels and guides and 12 dimensions, and stand alone secure in our own love/truth/power by right of our Divine connectedness.

love,
gnosis

[greybeard]

Well said Gnosis5
Think you make a great job of relaying your experiences.
There seems to be a process that is unique to us that we go through.
I had to go through "house clearing" .
Twelve steps of AA as mentioned.
Bio-energy Chakra clearing.
Reiki.
Yoga.
Hypnotherapy.
I was a work aholic, Sport aholic, Playing in band aholic, everything so intense.
So a lot had to be cleared and the ego is still work in progress.

In our uniqueness whatever works Gnosis5.

With love Chris

[Gnosis5]

Unique is our middle names The more we become ourselves the more unique and monotonously unpredictable we are :-)

Like you, I had to work through some similar compulsions. If one learns well whatever technique or practices they are currently involved in, why switch if it is helping one to hold their space and improve themselves.

Once I learn well what I am currently engaged with I will KNOW when it is time to "graduate" to some other clearing technology

My message to people is, "for god's sake, just do something to balance out a culture that is a heavily weighted materialistic and sensualistic society."

Maybe I just don't move in the right circles -- I think my improved vibrations are moving me into a different and finer level of society that I previously had only a vague awareness of.

Thus, she writes,
Gnosis

[greybeard]

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

Oh,, goodness! Really? Parmahansa?!? Wow! I had a very interesting experience with him: One day I asked my cat, "Where is Paramahansa?" and cat immediately looked above my head. She knew too, smartie cat

Regarding therapists, one day I found myself floating up to the top of this universe, went through a membrane and found one person I wished to communicate with in the next universe up and then I floated some more into another universe clustered up against the two universes below.

There I saw a huge sandstone colored flat carving (like a complex crop circle) and the part the beings were showing me was how money works. The schematic said, "those who are bright and educated and provide a very good service have money. Those who steal it lose it." Then they told me I could change it if I wanted to. Right then I decided to make sure that spiritual clearing therapies would be added to the registry of valuable services.

Thank you Eckhart Tolle for acknowledging the people who work hard for our personal awakening and get great pleasure in participating in our progress.

cheers!
Gnosis

[TraineeHuman]

Gnosis5:
My sincere apologies if you should find this post not directly relevant to the topic. I’d like to bring up your experiences with Maitreya. Firstly, I take it your experience of him was of a being who was a very positive influencer. By contrast, I take it that any “implanter,” as you use that term, is a negative influencer – where I take it “negative” means manipulative in a way that’s deceptive or not in one’s best interests? What I have in mind is that looking at the difference between how positive influencers and negative influencers work may provide a useful insight or extra perspective. It seems to be helpful for me, at least.

The second reason I’m bringing up Maitreya is that I want to explain what I see as the significance of his communicating to you. This is purely based on my own experiences, and is 100% my own opinion. It so happens I have also had a small number of experiences where a god/Buddha/Christ has communicated to me at considerable length, kind of like a personalized lecture, or two. In each case, that communication happened shortly before I went through a major breakthrough to a whole new level. And the information and insights communicated to me were basically just the right “tools” to greatly facilitate my transition and my new life. In each case, for me, the change involved a huge shakeup of many of the methods or techniques and so on that I had been using for self (spiritual)-development.

Anyway, I’d therefore like to acknowledge, if I may, that I know your encounter with Maitreya was really something.

[Gnosis5]

Hi, there, I had a nice valentine's day/7th anninversary dinner with Hubby and it was quite different and improved, all due to my dedication to my personal clearing work. Hubby and I have an agreement that I go first and then it's his turn :-)

I hope you enjoyed your Valentine too :-)

Agreed, there is a certain amount of comfort knowing that one has friends in higher places, and once my higher self pretended to be Jesus Christ just to get me to listen :-) My higher self has a quirky sense of humor, lol.

There is a thread I started here about Higher Self: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ghlight=higher

I really don't wish to dilute an important message regarding the implanters. They are called implanters because they implant through pain-drugs-hypnosis whatever messages and commands needed to make a believer out of one. They know better than you do what you are capable of if you ever recovered your memories of your ability to instantly manifest with a mere thought. You could wreak havoc, and they are terrified that you might do to them what they would do to you if they had that kind of power. They lost it too, which is why they resort to electronics, albeit quite sophisticated compared to earth technology.

They were only "bad" or negative to the extent that I agreed to be the effect of their processes and refused to confront my past associations with them. They mean to enslave through pain-drugs-hypnosis, lowering consciousness.

I mean to make freed men and raise consciousness, and my actions will close down their shops forever and bring them back to their connectedness with their Source. Most of them really don't want to be doing what they are doing, they simply got implanted themselves, gave up their personal integrity.

My simple R3X processes work on them very well. Sometimes I simply ask them, "Who are you?" with the intention that they say "me", and when they realize their clear and clean "me-ness" they voluntarily return to their Source.

The lynchpin of their "power" that has to be pulled is the forgetter mechanism they install over many thousands of other forgetter mechanisms that were priorly installed. That is why I insist that when someone works with a therapist to recover any incident that has a forgetter command implanted, it is very important to ask the question, "Is there anything in this incident that is hidden?" Or some such wording. A therapist who has experience working to help people recover from abduction traumas knows how well hidden these incidents are. My own counselor also has extensive experience helping people recover lost time due to abductions.

I am getting to the point, in my volunteer work, of being able to listen to a person and from what they are telling me, I can tell if they have had an abduction and implanting incident. The implanters install good memories over the bad memories and many many times I see a person fight very hard to keep the good memories and resist taking a deeper look because they are afraid they might become disillusioned and lose the belief they have been given.

I understand what they are feeling because I felt the same way after my last abduction. I really did not want to go into session to recover any further memories of the abduction incident. Now I'm glad I did, and losing my faith in this latest round of implanters closed the gap between our oppositional purposes. Everyone had a chance to have a consciousness raising experience before my session was over.

These days, when I go into a clearing session, I go right back to the event and can be there in person and do whatever is called for at that time of the incident. This is a form of time travel, and like a time traveller I have some leeway to tweak the incident in favor of raising consciousness for everyone involved. Implanters call them "time shifters". This planet could use a few more armchair warriors

cheers!
gnosis

[Gnosis5]