October 25, 2009 ... Prediction??

[no caste]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Guess what, it's also the return to 'wintertime' in Europe, so at 03:00 they set back the clock to 02:00.

Ah. Interesting. The extra hour. The week of confusion and disorientation. That's usually more pronounced in the spring with sleep deprivation and losing the hour, but the circadian rhythms are still affected.

Also -

UN nuclear plant inspection in Iran Oct. 25 - 04/10/09 13:03 CET
The Head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei, announced the news after holding talks with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which he characterised as “successful”. He revealed that Iran will allow UN inspectors into the facility on October the 25th. http://www.euronews.net/2009/10/04/u...n-iran-oct-25/

[Humble Janitor]

Just remember, you really have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

There are so many people in a similar boat right now, there is solidarity among us.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just remember, you really have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

There are so many people in a similar boat right now, there is solidarity among us.

Yeah. For me, I guess I have vigil-itis ... I had some boat dreams a few months back and the boats did make it through under a heavy sky, just rickety old boats...

[TheObserver]

Sorry no smell of smoke or sight of flames yet and there won't be, America is not burning. When has a fear monger EVER been right?

[Ammit]

It wont happen, they never do. But its keeping our eyes on a different item.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

webbot refered to the staret of dollar collapse and the final being november 3rd 2010!! not 2009 he stated the language said gradual death of dollar over 12 months.. now his obama language where he says pres could be targeted is backed up by lyndsey williams..

[TheObserver]

I'm talking about the video title in the first post.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by pyrangello

Viking , I heard this video before but I must say there is much prayer, consciousness, light and positive energy out there that I believe is changing many things for the better. Be careful of getting sucked into the vortex, stay very positive . I am aware of the predictions, linguistics, ect. but that doesn't mean we have to think that way or get sucked into fear.

My own feelings and perceptions go about the same line as you Pyrangello.
The realm of the heart is an entire dimension in itself .
Stay grounded there ...trust your Heart ...fill it with strengh
and Light for this is a place where the entire universe is One
and balanced . Contrary to the unknowns being played in the mind .. the matrix
the heart knows exactly where it goes.

Love Always
mudra

[FIIISH]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Just remember, you really have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

There are so many people in a similar boat right now, there is solidarity among us.

Yes HJ, we are not alone-in every sense of the term.

That is a comfort indeed.

[Swanny]

I predict a time line change

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Ammit

It wont happen, they never do. But its keeping our eyes on a different item.

Now Ammit, you just put your finger on something very important. That is indeed a lure, like many almost unnoticeable things in our day-to-day life. "Keep them focusing on anything without value while we, the adults, are conducting our affairs to their ends."

That is called living in a highly manipulated mental environment.

Namaste, Steven

[Fredkc]

Damn I feel old!!
Maybe thats because I've been talking about the fundamentals of this since about 1985. Back then, no one believed me, because they couldn't see it. "What, us worry?" Now people like Celente get rich saying the same stuff, and they don't believe him, either. (note to self: hire better marketing guys, next time)

But the plain fact is we've been working very hard to make this come true for a good 30 years.

As outlandish as Celente's claims may be, he does bring up some legitimate points. The comparisons we hear in the media of this crisis to the Great Depression are not logical. During the Depression era, most people didn't own homes or credit cards. The country was not $15 trillion in debt. We led the world in manufacturing and had trade and budget surpluses.

Today, we have a service economy highly dependent on foreign nations for quality products at affordable prices. What we need is a new Industrial Revolution, or dot-com-type innovation, that will create jobs and increase productive capacity. Otherwise, unemployment will continue to increase and the government won't be able to create sustainable jobs that in turn can create wealth. The Federal Reserve can continue to throw money at the problem, but that would end up stagflating the economy and putting us in an even more unfavorable position.

"Washington is inflating the biggest bubble ever: the bailout bubble," Celente said. "This is much bigger than the dot-com and real estate bubbles. When the bailout bubble bursts, it should be understood that a major war could follow."


The economist expects tax and food riots to pervade the country. People will be giving each other food stamps for Christmas. Crime will increase to all-time highs. Then the worst possible situation will arise: the United States of America will disunite.

"Prepare for the worst, then you have the luxury to pull back," Celente said. "It costs nothing to prepare."

Now, this may sound like a lot of doom and gloom. Fact is, it IS a lot of doom and gloom. We've worked hard for it. We've spent decades making sure it would come about, and you can sing Kumbaya till hell freezes over, and it won't change the fact of it.

What will?
1. Until some form of sanity returns, prepare to not participate. Of course, this is extremely difficult, and requires some preparation and sacrifice. NOT doing so will require even more. Fact remains that the more you work on this, the "happier" and less stressful your "3D existence" will be. (can you say "barter"?)

Understand that everything being done in the halls, and back rooms of Washington will do absolutely nothing to prevent this. What they are doing only serves to preserve their facade while they steal as much as they can. They count on your trust, and desperately need it. The reason this is all coming apart can be summed up in a short sentence by Matt Taibbi, "The rich are running out of things to steal."

Because they will not change, they assure the demise of what they seek to control. "Not participating" will soon change its face such that, there won't be anything to participate in! Such is the nature of their intransigent approach. As hard as that seems it is actually a good thing.

Why is government incapable ?
Wrong question, really. To begin with, while the problem is of their making, the fix is beyond their realm. Why not has two fundamental answers.

a) Government can only spend what it steals. And if that isn't plain enough...
b) The government has created a monster of debt and perennial spending that is beyond the support of the tax base (that is, what they can steal from the earnings of me n'thee without us becoming part of the other side of their equation).

What they have backed is a downward spiral. This is a result of very basic principles of this physical universe. Plain fact is, they have hollowed out the wealth producing infrastructure to the point that it will no longer support this amount of theft, no matter how high people are taxed. It just ain't there to be stolen.

2. What will work?
Here I agree with Celente. What is needed is the equivalent of a "new industrial revolution". But it must be coupled with a monetary system which cannot be "gamed" by its keepers.

Here is a simple observation which has stood the test of time. It is one of my father's quotes, that stuck with me for some 40 years. I've yet to see it fail:
"Manufacturing and construction are the only things that produce lasting wealth. Everything else just re-arranges the money."

Like it or not, that is how this plane of existence works. What, how, and how responsibly this is done, can be argued over for the betterment of as many as possible, but that basic principal doesn't change. The nature of "what" is manufactured changes over time, but the basic principle is the same, be it hammers, saws, or software.

Until we return to the basics of turning head, hands, and a bit of dust into something of more value than we started with, we are just fooling ourselves.

Lastly, until we have a fair means of exchanging said bounty, we do it for naught. For that I will leave the explaining to a very down to earth guy by the name of Gary North. Coincidentally he has been writing on this in a series of articles, and this one: Part 9 is all about just how to fix, what's busted about that.

Thank you, I'll be here all week

Fred

[TheObserver]

Should i make a 'will play guitar for food' sign?

[Fredkc]

Originally Posted by TheObserver

Should i make a 'will play guitar for food' sign?

Me, 30 years ago...

[TheObserver]

Is that a Yamaha? It looks like one except the head stock is cut from the pic so i can't see the logo. You look good there.

[m1*]

BANG!

..just kidding. We're all still here.

[TRANCOSO]

I'll bet this is gonna happen on 21/12/2012. Nothing at all. So the whole world is gonna party like they never did before and than, a day or 2 later, when we're all hung over... even more 'nothing' happens.

[Swanny]

I don't believe any predictions dates any more, they never happen.
I wonder what Clif High will say now, he was certain something was going to happen.

21/12/2012 is a good excuse for a party

[no caste]

Iran's build-up? I think Russia just agreed to remove ... agreement below...

U.S., Israel Start Defense Drill
Tensions Over Iran's Growing Arsenal Fuel Military Partnership <<<<< Wall Street Journal <<< must be a typo = *lessening arsenal*

TEL AVIV -- The U.S. and Israeli militaries began a combined air-defense exercise on Thursday [Oct22] involving about 1,000 American soldiers and simulating a scenario in which U.S. forces deploy to Israel to help defend the country against incoming missiles.

The three-week drill, the fifth since 2001, is part of a growing partnership between the two militaries that has coincided with rising fears in Israel about Iran's growing arsenal of missiles and nuclear ambitions.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1256...googlenews_wsj

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U.S., France, Russia maintain unity on Iran

October 25, 2009

... cooperating in a proposal that would remove Iran's low-enriched uranium to Russia and then France for further enrichment to levels useful in medical research, but well short of levels appropriate for nuclear weapons.

Iran welcomed the offer when it was proposed last month, but presented with a detailed version last Friday said it needed a week to consider it.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/10/...-unity-on-iran

[rhythm]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I predict a time line change

i predict Swanstar

is right .......

[no caste]

NASA'S NEW SPACECRAFT ARES AND ORION

Ares I-X Ready, Weather Remains Unfavorable
Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:25:09 AM MDT

At this morning's Ares I-X Launch Status Briefing, Launch Test Director Jeff Spaulding said the flight test vehicle is ready for Tuesday morning liftoff [Oct 27]... Launch countdown preparations in Firing Room 1 are scheduled for Monday, and the launch teams "call to stations" will come at 12:30 a.m. EDT on Tuesday.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/co...sIx/index.html

A "Go Ares I-X!" banner on the perimeter fence of Launch Pad 39B at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida reflects the excitement building in Kennedy's work force in anticipation of the flight test of the towering 327-foot-tall rocket.

[viking]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I don't believe any predictions dates any more, they never happen.
I wonder what Clif High will say now, he was certain something was going to happen.

21/12/2012 is a good excuse for a party

Hi Swanny

The PTW would dearly love all these negative predictions to happen...

But perhaps our mass conciousness is changing events...

viking

[pyrangello]

I wouldn't discount cliff highs liguistics as I think there are some merit to indications , and sure something could happen in the next few days, absolutely. I just don't feel it though right now. I will say when I was in DC for the WWII memorial dedication a few years ago I was talking with one of the special forces street patrol and he said Washington DC gets 550 threats per year and it was basically routine which I won't discount that either. Complacency creates being lazy and I don't think we can afford that either. And so another day goes, now it's Oct. 26th and were still moving forward. I would say with the right thoughts and refusal to go into the vortex we have a good shot at making good for humanity and the world.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by viking

Hi Swanny

The PTW would dearly love all these negative predictions to happen...

But perhaps our mass conciousness is changing events...

viking

I've certainly been working on this round the clock, and I'm sure others have as well. I'm feeling pretty optimistic this morning. This was a biggie Cliff saw, so if it does happen there will be no question about what it is IF it happens.

[GaiaLove]

Originally Posted by Swanny

21/12/2012 is a good excuse for a party

Actually the party will be the next day, my 50th birthday. Considering the life i have led it will be a miracle to have gotten there

So yeah, December 22 2012 the party is in the Laurentian Mountains north of Montreal. book your flights now hehe

Swanny ill pay to fly u here!