The EGO

[mudra]

So long as one labels things as good or bad one misses the Heart of things .

Love always
mudra

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by mudra

No actually there is no actual obstacle to be conquered . This is what has to be realized

Love always
mudra

this is what I wanted to say.....

[Barcarolle]

this thread just gets better and better

[mudra]

Originally Posted by burgundia

this is what I wanted to say.....

Love always
mudra

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by metaw3

I haven't had time to read all the posts. I read OP and watched carefully the vids presented. They are great and thank you henners. I wanted to post a reply and I catched Carmen's post just before hitting reply. I agree with Carmen and it's exactly the point I wanted to make. Here's a vid making that point:
YouTube - Re-parenting the Ego
I don't know the story of the guy talking in the vid, but he tells it better than I would so I share it with you.

This video you posted, the fellow starts off by saying basically: ALL the masters, all the enlightened ones tell us that we must overcome the ego completely.

Then he says "I completely disagree with this".

So let's be clear here, he's telling you straight out, the truly enlightened masters, all of them, are saying the same thing: you are not your ego, you must be reborn to enter the consciousness of heaven, you cannot 'perfect' the illusion of separation which is the ego, you must take off the mask of the ego to access your pure divine Self. This is what "all" the great masters tell us.

Now he has a different opinion we see this. Essentially, his pitch is that it is not about surrendering the human ego, it is about perfecting it. You know, you don't do something right, then just fix it, purify the ego, make it better.

Now personally, I don't know anyone, not one person with a perfect ego. I know at church, in every relgion etc. they tell you basically to be the best you can be and to be perfect... but for some odd reason, NO ONE, ever in the history of the world, has managed to perfect their ego... instead, we live in a world where pretty much everybody is dysfunctional, including ourselves!

That is of course, except for the great masters that have walked this earth including two of the more obvious Jesus Christ (who constantly stressed the need to be reborn and have the eye single rather than the dualistic eye of the ego), and Gautama Buddha who stressed the reality of the consciousness of nirvana when we are in Oneness. Now, there are many many more masters, including for example Yogananda and Eckhart Tolle (whom I consider enlightened) who teach the path of surrendering the ego.

They teach the path of taking off the mask of the illusions of separation to be reborn into the reality of who you are beyond the illusions, beyond the human ego.

So the big question is, is the fellow who made this video right and all the masters wrong? Is the quest of life really to perfect the human ego? Is that who we really are is the human ego?

The great masters have always told us otherwise, but people with egos tend to disagree...

Choose this day whom you will serve... the ego, or the divine reality of who you are when you take off the ugly mask, the imperfect able mask that is the human ego. Consider, your true Self is pure and divine, always in the Now, always present and much more than the ego which is the collective illusions of separation and comparison.

In fairness, you don't really have to choose this very day.. but it is worth considering that the great masters knew what they were talking about and unenlightened humanity teaching unenlightened humanity on how to become enlightened might not be the best approach to enlightenment .

[metaw3]

Here is another take on the ego...

http://dotsub.com/view/8ca87c4f-79d7...a-37123be1872c

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The intent was to teach the initiates the deeper meaning of these myths.
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil
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was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,
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the representative of the self.
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The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.
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It is the total sum of everything that we are.
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The false-ego on the other hand,
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is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,
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which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.
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However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose
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either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation
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of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
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This is the most notable trait that separate man from animal,
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our freedom of choice.
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The choice to follow our concepts and ideals
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or our natural impulses.
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The choice to sustain nature, or to destroy it.
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This freedom of choice weighs on the faith of the entire organism that we call humanity.
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Cancer begins with a group of cells within a community
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that fail to communicate with the conscious signal of the organism.
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Those cells begin to grow out of control and spread to other areas of the organism.
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This very disease is evident in our world today.
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The cancer upon our earth is the domination of our false-ego
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and our divorce from nature.
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Collectively, among every human, the cancer upon our Earth
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is the domination of our false-ego and our divorce from nature.


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Yet the psychic illness we endure due to the domination of our false-ego
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is reflected in the collective.


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This parasite, called our "false-ego"
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requires a continuous flow of sustenance to survive.
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Food, fuel, and any other form of sustenance is energy.
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Human consciousness is an electromagnetic field of energy.
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When this potential energy is utilized
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it then releases kinetic energy, which is used to perpetuate the false-ego.


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These are all facets of our false-ego.
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They're the physical advent of our own sickness.
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They require our conscious participation, our conscious energy to survive.
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Because without our cooperation, without supplying them with the sustenance of complicity
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they starve.
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Their very nature depends on our desire to be ruled.
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And a typical symptom of the illness among humanity today
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is our continuous denial of our illness.
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Repression
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We consistently repress those qualities we choose not to accept about ourselves.
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This is why it is so difficult to see the false-ego
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and its multiple manifestations for what they truly are.
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A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
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But it cannot survive treason from within.
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This is the very nature of the false-ego,
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it acts as a red herring to distract us from the freedom we truly have.
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For this psychic parasite to survive,
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it must supply us with a chemical that will cause us to remain dependent upon it.


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Just remember that the false-ego has only one desire -
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to become greater and more powerful than the true self.
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This illness causes us to believe that we are separate from nature.
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This is why we see such a rise in the dependency of technology.
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This is why we see such little stewardship for the earth and the environment.
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And this is why we see bigotry, racism, sexism,
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and every other form of discrimination possible that leads to crime,
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violence, wars, and eventually
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the global destruction of the organism.
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This endless state of fear, confusion and segregation our world seems to live in
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is a symptom of the false-ego, creating a false threat.


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Another agent of the false-ego bloodline was Hernando Cortes
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who decimated the Aztec tribe and plundered their mineral resources.
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This again was the case through Cortes's second cousin, Francisco Pizarro
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who conquered the Incan empire in Peru.
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These atrocities are seen throughout Africa, New Zealand, New Guinea, East Timor
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and are still seen today in Canada.


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This is the cornerstone of the entire illusion being built around us by the false-ego.
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Money is said to be the root of all evil.
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Yet it cannot be evil, because money is only a symbol.
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Symbols carry only the faith of spirit of the observer
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This means that the symbol of paper money...
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Yet it cannot be evil, because money is only a symbol.
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Symbols carry only the faith of spirit of the observer.
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This means that the symbol of paper money evokes
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and surfaces the evil intentions and inherent flaw of our false-ego.


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When we begin to realize, "Hey wait a minute, maybe it's not alright
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to inflict harm on any other living thing",
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then the ego has to come up with more esoteric form of cruelty
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to trick us into displaying the same form of self-hatred,
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the same indignant attitude,
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but just in another way and towards another group of people.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

This video you posted, the fellow starts off by saying basically: ALL the masters, all the enlightened ones tell us that we must overcome the ego completely.

Then he says "I completely disagree with this".

He's saying that what most masters call the ego encompasses too much in his opinion, because "there is a real and much needed ego which is the vehicule that the soul uses to act and manifest". Then he's saying that "the seperate ego-personality" is what needs to be stripped from the ego. No big deal. He's just saying most masters are not specific enough in their use of the term ego, because we might end up with a model where something would be missing.

[orthodoxymoron]

What about positive thinking and self esteem? Are they in harmony with the teachings of Jesus? Are they a new religion which is out of harmony with the teachings of Jesus? What is the underlying principle in the teachings of Jesus? Is it positive thinking and self esteem, or something else?

Without going into a proof text rant, I must say that I find positive thinking much more biblical than self esteem. Faith is closely related to positive thinking, and is well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. On the other hand, self esteem is closely related to pride, and is decidedly not well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. An extreme rendition of the joining of positive thinking and self esteem is 'I Am God' which is not something that the Bible encourages its readers to go around proclaiming!

The problem is self delusion and self centeredness. Not facing reality is a form of lying. To yourself! Self exaltation is self centered. Self degradation is also self centered. The religion contained in the teachings of Jesus is a religion of responsibility. To be responsible is to face reality, and see it clearly, and then formulate a responsible course of action, and then to implement this plan. It is duty centered. The focus is external, not internal! When someone lives responsibly, the byproduct is appropriate positive AND negative thinking (which includes both faith and doubt), and an appropriate self image. They are the fruit, not the root!

In other words, positive delusion is not the solution to negative delusion, and self exaltation is not the solution to self degradation. Responsibility trumps both positive thinking and self esteem! The religion of positive thinking and self esteem is not the religion of the teachings of Jesus. The religion of responsibility is the religion of the teachings of Jesus!

Please don't misunderstand my seemingly harsh stance on positive thinking and self esteem. A negative thinking and self degrading Christianity opened the door wide open to these teachings. They have come as a breath of fresh air to millions of people around the world. But some have found Peale appalling and Paul appealing! These twin concepts have been corrective, but they should not be normative. A religion of responsibility, as found in the teachings of Jesus is, in my view, the normative standard!

What do you think...Lucifer? Was that good?

[lightbeing]

From 2012 Atlantean Revelations by Sri Ram Kaa and Kira Raa:

Remember, while you are in a body you need an ego to help
keep the body safe. While you are in this density, the emotional
and mental bodies also serve to navigate this world. Celebrate these
tools! Do not commit your identity to them. Instead simply observe
that these ways of interfacing with the world are a gift. You get to
experience density. You get to touch and feel. What fun !


Much love and blessings

lightbeing

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by lightbeing

From 2012 Atlantean Revelations by Sri Ram Kaa and Kira Raa:

Remember, while you are in a body you need an ego to help
keep the body safe. While you are in this density, the emotional
and mental bodies also serve to navigate this world. Celebrate these
tools! Do not commit your identity to them. Instead simply observe
that these ways of interfacing with the world are a gift. You get to
experience density. You get to touch and feel. What fun !


Much love and blessings

lightbeing

That's what I keep telling people. We are scuba diving in Egoland. Our body is the scuba set and our ego is the body in the scuba set. It could be fun in Egoland, but for many it is just painful. Then remember who you are and that it's just a trip to Egoland. Like any trip it will come to an end.

[14 Chakras]

Consider, all you need is the Now. Do you need the story? Do you need to compare yourself to others? Do you need to identify yourself as something? Or can you just BE in the Now, Now?

What part of you needs an identity based on separation? You? Or the illusion that you are not in the Now?

Yes, we all have a physical, emotional, mental and identity (etheric) body, these are our 4 lower bodies, our vehicles in this world of form. In our ideal state of Being, we have purified our four lower bodies so the light from our I AM, can shine through and we are perfectly empowered in this world of form rather than victims of it. We are in total control over our mental, physical and emotional bodies rather than being controlled by them. We are co-creating abundance here rather than getting caught up in the illusions of the game.

The goal is to be in the game but not of it. To do this, we must enter the eternal Now. There is no room for the story based on separation in the eternal Now, there is no room for the comparisons, because there is only Now, there is only Being.

Are we the thinker or are we I AM? The I AM will always be a master of the mental and emotional bodies, certainly they serve a purpose here, but it won't mistakenly identify itself as the mental or emotional body. It is the I AM, it IS. I. IS. Being. I AM.

Who needs the story? I would rather BE.

[mudra]

The ego is a delusion based on the illusion of separatetness. You answered the question! Yes, only the deluded mind "thinks" that it is separate from Infinite Mind -- from eternal Spirit/Source, but this spirit is always with us (it always has been and always will be), the trick is in acknowledging it right now, in the present, as we embody that love.
Spirit is forever, but most have forgotten-- they have become discontinuous and fragmented.
Love More is the only "real" option!

Love always
mudra

[lightbeing]

The ego isn't wrong; it's just unconscious.
When you observe the ego in yourself,
you are beginning to go beyond it.
Don't take the ego too seriously.
When you detect egoic behavior in yourself, smile.
At times you may even laugh.
How could humanity have been taken in by this for so long?
Above all, know that the ego isn't personal.
It isn't who you are.
If you consider the ego to be your personal problem,
that's just more ego.


- ECKHART TOLLE


Blessings
lightbeing

[lightbeing]

Not all thinking and all emotion are of the ego.
They turn into ego only when you identify
with them and they take you over completely,
that is to say, when they become "I."


- ECKHART TOLLE


In La'kech
lightbeing

[lightbeing]

Identification with your mind
creates an opaque screen of concepts,
labels, images, words, judgments,
and definitions that blocks all true relationship.


- Eckhart Tolle


Blessings
lightbeing

[14 Chakras]

The Ego and the Spirit

The ego looks for peace — the spirit rests in it

The ego looks for love — the spirit gives it freely

The ego is in constant search for happiness — the spirit is absorbed in joy

The ego looks for control — the spirit is totally free

The ego looks for longevity — the spirit is immortal

The ego accumulates information — the spirit is Supreme Wisdom

The ego is limited by space and time — the spirit is boundless

The ego is only a player in a show — the spirit is life itself

The ego is false — the spirit is real

The ego wants more and more — the spirit has it all!

Shortcut to Spirituality: Mastering the Art of Inner Peace
Bob Gottfried
Pages 118-119

[lightbeing]

As soon as the mind and mind identification return;
you’re no longer yourself but a mental image of yourself,
and you start playing games and roles again
to get your ego needs met.

- Eckhart Tolle


Blessings
lightbeing