Does Obama Use Neuro-Linguistic Programming Techniques in Speeches?

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Well as far as Obama, The Illuminati, The NWO, and the rest of them go they are archetypal manifestations of the consciousness of society. Our consciousnesses are responsible for which archetypal manifestations show up based off of what we need to learn and came here to learn. That is what I mean by we are responsible for the things we manifest into our reality.

...or, the consciousness of society is a manifestation of the intent of the Illuminati, NWO, PTB...astral overlords, matrix keepers, whatever we want to call them. We, the collective have manifested the dream we were/are implanted with. We hold their reality in place with our thoughts...and that is all that holds it in place. I don't buy into the cosmic schoolroom paradigm, but OTOH it will be good to collectively learn that it is ourselves, keeping ourselves prisoners, no matter who's suggesting it.

But...that we is not I. I do my best not to participate in that particular dream, but I can't push hard enough to change it by myself...which is why I'm here blathering on while I wait for the plan to emerge. :>)

[tone3jaguar]

or, the consciousness of society is a manifestation of the intent of the Illuminati, NWO, PTB...astral overlords, matrix keepers, whatever we want to call them.

Perhaps, but logic would tell me that it is the many that manifest the few not the few that manifest the many.

[Moxie]

"They all need to wake the f--k up and realize that they are 100% responsible for everything that they attract into their reality weather it is pleasant or not."

"IMO this is flatly not true. No one is 100% responsible for reality. It's a co-creative process, and everyone contributes their bit of vision and energy to it. I refuse to be held responsible for events which are totally beyond my control, nor would I pin that on you"

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"or, the consciousness of society is a manifestation of the intent of the Illuminati, NWO, PTB...astral overlords, matrix keepers, whatever we want to call them."

"Perhaps, but logic would tell me that it is the many that manifest the few not the few that manifest the many"

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This is about Obama‘s USE of hidden hypnosis techniques….
This does not mean that Obama is AWARE of the depth that the initial thread starter article speaks of., for we might ask, just how much of his speeches are written entirely by himself?

Most certainly, he has studied up a bit & become aware of intentional mannerisms while presenting himself as any person in public speaking would be inclined to look into….how to project your voice, timing, how to hold your body, exude confidence, that sort of thing.

Who ever it is that is writing his speeches, that is the person that needs examination for this is a specialty field all its own. A vast field, a science, wherein techniques ARE used and wherein propaganda does arise as its aim is to compel, persuade, convince... people in highly paid positions to consciously do so, even behind the scenes propaganda experts to cause global influence (duh).

It’s certainly common and prevalent that people do not tend to want to accept how easily they are influenced. But, if you call yourself “awake”… then naturally, there are some things that you have awakened to, meaning that you admit (let in) that you have been duped. Whether it was by the FEW utilizing a Science, by deliberate intent or not, You now take responsibility for your part but it errs to take responsibility for those that duped you or for the rest of their audience. You can stop the infiltration into your own “reality” life but you will continue to see its prevalence affecting vast numbers of others.

The initial cut n paste above in my post here… perhaps could start a new thread... this reality creating b'ness.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Moxie

...people do not tend to want to accept how easily they are influenced...

It's is embarrassing for all of us, I believe. This is where our humility will serve us well...

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Moxie

This is about Obama‘s USE of hidden hypnosis techniques….
This does not mean that Obama is AWARE of the depth that the initial thread starter article speaks of., for we might ask, just how much of his speeches are written entirely by himself?

What I wonder about O is how clued in he is about a lot of things. I mean, does he actually believe he was elected because the US wanted change so badly? I seriously doubt he gets that he was allowed to win because the PTB believes he'll be easily influenced and controlled.

I thought he did do some of his own speech writing...nevertheless, all the politicos are under the reign of their handlers now. They hammer the same points over and over while they try to avoid risking any off the cuff remark. We could blame the media for driving them to that point, but really it's the electorate who's not smart enough think for themselves.

Originally Posted by Moxie

Most certainly, he has studied up a bit & become aware of intentional mannerisms while presenting himself as any person in public speaking would be inclined to look into….how to project your voice, timing, how to hold your body, exude confidence, that sort of thing.

I think that much of what they're presenting in the "research paper" is a stretch. It's supposed scientific proof, but as you say this could likely be said about any highly influential person with well written material, who happens to be a good orator.

And geez...the guy's a politician, from Chicago no less. One shouldn't even have to be "awake" to know there's probably a bottle of snake oil in his pocket.

[Seashore]

...all the politicos are under the reign of their handlers now...

I believe this to be true, and that we need to continually remind ourselves about it...

[Anchor]

If a politician made this kind of speech today, do you think he would be accused of using mass hypnosis techniques and NLP to get his message across?

Would it matter ?

A..

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Seashore

the hypnosis techniques of Dr. Milton Erickson, M.D. who developed a form of "conversational" hypnosis that could be hidden in seemingly normal speech and used on patients without their knowledge for therapy purposes.

Listening to Alex Jones talk about Glenn Beck using techniques developed by Army psy-ops has made me remember this thread...

I'm looking over the 60 page document again, and I'm struck by a paragraph on page 8:

"Dr. Erickson discovered while working as a therapist, that he could hide therapeutic hypnosis within the normal content of an inconspicuous conversation with the patient, and avoid much of the patient’s conscious resistance that normally accompanied hypnotherapy... Dr. Erickson realized the subconscious mind was always listening, and understood better than anyone before how to access it, and implant suggestions into it. What Dr. Erickson did was figure out how to put people into trance and hypnotize them and implant suggestions with seemingly normal conversation. He discovered that people could achieve this heightened state of hyper-suggestibility without the traditional difficultly-induced coma-like state traditionally associated with hypnosis. Th[r]ough his pioneering understanding, he was able to do the same and much more often with simple plays on words and embedded meanings in a single sentence."

Plays on words and embedded meanings... I think it behooves us to be aware of this stuff.

Here is a YouTube video on the topic:

[redtailhawk]

Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

I noticed the hypnotic quality of his speeches during the primaries and found myself just nodding off. Yes I think he does use these techniques. There's something strangely unemotional about him also that bothers me and leads me to think he's not what he appears to be. This goes far beyond the marketing of a candidate that we are all so familiar with.

I also noticed a major difference in him after his Intelligence briefing before he took office. This seemed more than the usual shock effect of being privy to the dark secrets. I don't know it's hard to explain but it's almost as if a different person emerged from that briefing.

Yes, I too noted the dramatic shift in his energy after he was briefed. He looked shocked!

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by redtailhawk

Yes, I too noted the dramatic shift in his energy after he was briefed. He looked shocked!

That's the briefing where they show him the JFK assassination from an angle that no-one has seen before and is given his agenda.

A..

[with apologies to Bill Hicks - one of my heros]

[greybeard]

Having qualified in the use of Milton Erickson Hypnosis and N.L.P. I am very aware of these techniques being in commonplace use. Adverts being a no 1.
The weather forecasters are trained to how to project, catch the attention of the viewer.
Its now standard procedure for all who deal with the public, sales personnel etc.
Its just the way it is, no big deal.
The egoic part of the mind will find evidence that "proves" its favorite point of view correct and ignore contrary facts. Thats a scientific fact, not a point of view.

There is some info on this written on the "ego what is it? how to transcend" thread.
In the words of Eckhart Tolle author of "the Power of Now" "Dont take your thoughts too seriously"
Chris

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by greybeard

no big deal

It's a big deal if people are being bamboozled by politicians.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Seashore

It's a big deal if people are being bamboozled by politicians.

People have been bamboozled by a wide variety of techniques and not just via politicians. Why single them out? They are doing thier jobs in the way they have been educated and conditioned to do them. If I learned NLP why would it be wrong for me to use that to make my points more effectively?

Its the same with occult symbology. Michael Tsarion repeatedly makes the excellent point that these are tools that we can all use, not just the bad guys. We dont want to go outlawing these things - I see that as a fear of the unknown based reaction anyway.

Its up to people to wake up and its up to those who have awakened to help with the awakening.

Is this not what we are about ?

A..

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Why single them out?

Because politics is serious business.

Obviously, politicians do such things as send men off to war.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Seashore

It's a big deal if people are being bamboozled by politicians.

With respect Seashore its an assumption that people are being bamboozled by poiticians.
They have the same information that you have and on that information you form a conclusion as they do. If you accused them of being bamboozled they would reply can you be sure you are not being bamboozled?
Im not taking side just aware of the way the human mind works as I have been trained to be.
A thought only has the value you personally give it. Some will agree some will disagree thats the way it is in this world.
Im saying the use of N.L.P. is no big deal. Im not saying the end result is no big deal.
Every tool should be used with integrity but who am I to judge what is integrity in this case. Im not living in America so I have no opinion on the politics. No opinion on the politics in UK either. Just live my life to the best of my ability. Thats it.

Regards Chris

[K626]

Been going on for ages. In the beginning it was just intuative (charisma)...It is clear to me that Obama is a master at it. Ming dontchya knaa...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by K626

Been going on for ages. In the beginning it was just intuative (charisma)...It is clear to me that Obama is a master at it. Ming dontchya knaa...

Yes K626
you are correct. N.L.P. just copied what was already in existence, modeled it, made a fortune from teaching it.
Chris

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by greybeard

...its an assumption that people are being bamboozled by poiticians.
They have the same information that you have...

When I say people, I'm talking about all of us.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Seashore

When I say people, I'm talking about all of us.

Sorry I picked you up wrong Seashore.
I can only speak for me and im not that sure which me Im speaking for

Regards Chris

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by K626

Been going on for ages. In the beginning it was just intuative (charisma)...It is clear to me that Obama is a master at it. Ming dontchya knaa...

With Obama, I believe it's not just techniques - which, in my opinion, he's not using because it's his idea - I think he's been groomed, financed, and handled from the beginning of his political career - but also his
voice, which to me, is mesmerizing to people. At least I find it to be mesmerizing...

This, of course, is not a choice on his part. It's just his voice. But I think people need to think about these things.

We need to learn to focus on the substance of a speech. I think educating ourselves about these things gives us a tool we can use to help us be discerning.

[K626]

Originally Posted by Seashore

With Obama, I believe it's not just techniques - which, in my opinion, he's not using because it's his idea - I think he's been groomed, financed, and handled from the beginning of his political career - but also his
voice, which to me, is mesmerizing to people. At least I find it to be mesmerizing...

This, of course, is not a choice on his part. It's just his voice. But I think people need to think about these things.

We need to learn to focus on the substance of a speech. I think educating ourselves about these things gives us a tool we can use to help us be discerning.

Disney trained us to make emotional descisions.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Sorry I picked you up wrong Seashore.
I can only speak for me and im not that sure which me Im speaking for

Regards Chris

Are you of the opinion that NLP can be used for good things?

I did notice when I searched for the YouTube video that I posted here that it appears that NLP is taught as a positive thing to be used to increase our brain power. Is that true?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by K626

Disney trained us to make emotional descisions.

Freeman talks about Disney a lot. He says that J Edgar Hoover hired him to produce war propaganda.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Are you of the opinion that NLP can be used for good things?

I did notice when I searched for the YouTube video that I posted here that it appears that NLP is taught as a positive thing to be used to increase our brain power. Is that true?

Seashore N.L.P.
is very broad based.
In the beginning the originators looked at all the therapists that were ultra successful to see if it was just them or could it be learned and taught. They found that yes the technique could be learned and taught,

When I was practicing I cured people of phobias and all kinds of malfunctions of the mind using NLP. So yes it can be used positively much good can come of it.
People greatly lacking in confidence were taught how to project them selves using NLP.
Brain power can be enhanced.

In therapy the ego will sabotage the "cure" as there is massive pay value in being a victim, the center of attention - co-dependent. So embedded suggestions are made to the subconscious un tampered with by the ego. end results are implied.

The populous may be fooled by politicians using NLP but all politicians use it so it balances out.

Hope this helps.
Chris

[Frank Samuel]

If any of you have use subliminal programing for fast reading, self improvement ,etc. you can begin to notice how subliminal programing is use on news programs like CNN. Yes after turning my TV off now for over a year I can tell you I was hooked and glue to the TV and news shows. Politicians are learning to use the same methods use by commercial ads to influence your subconscious mind. The subliminal messages are very effective . Obama's entourage used the campaign money very well. Over one year later is more of the same, politicians are just that, politicians .