What about those in US who rely on welfare

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

Is this another Banking thread? hehe!

[fastarr]

Originally Posted by Gaia

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Seriously? Tell me one person who should have never have survived. Are you really better than they, to dismiss them as material?

[fastarr]

Originally Posted by Kituwa

I am one of those that depends on gov money. I recieve gov disabilty. My wife works and brings in a small amount but it would in no way support us without the disability check.We live very simple ,own very little and we buy food one day at a time. There is talk right now that they are fixing to declair a bank holiday. They are saying this could happen as soon as this weekend. My check comes tomorrow so hopefully i can get it cashed before anything happens.If it dont happen this weekend i am sure it will soon. My family and i will be homeless in less than a week if our check is stopped.It looks like things are going to be bad for everyone before long but will just be sooner for some of us.I really fear for older people here that rely on social security. My guess is if an economic collaps does happen here that those of us that do not have a way to take care of ourselves will be rounded up and sent to gov camps to be 'taken care of' im sure we will be some of the first considered expendable.While i do have a plan of a place to go and i am capable of getting by liveing in the woods with no money, it would only be a matter of time before one of the kids gets sick and needs medical attention that is beyond what i can take care of and a lot of other things like that can come up.I know i have some serious suffering in store for me and my family but my ancestors went through as bad or worse and i have accepted that there is not much i can do about it and am as ready as i can be to face what lies ahead.I can only hope my heart can stay strong and i can fully face whatever is in store for us.

Have faith and pay no mind to the doom and gloomers. There is love in the world and people will figure out that we can take care of each other. In doing so we take care of ourselves. Be strong.

[mntruthseeker]

so I get it .......tell them to get a job is the answer. sorry

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Gaia

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

What in thee fook are you talking about?

So you pretty much gave your illuminati self nazi branch away, didnt ya fool?

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%




Peace,
Ampgod

In other instances I have agreed with you, in this one I find a fuzziness (in my thinking/feeling) and can not quite grasp where I am at with the situation.

I do not agree with bailing (Baaling) people out of rough situations. I do agree with my Countries stance on socialized health care (which is NOT free where I live, we are simply FORCED to pay though I use unlicensed Dr/s in other fields) for trauma care, but not with long term palliative care.. I do agree with social safety nets, heck, I live in a vast, cold expanse if you or anyone else is down on your luck I don't mind chipping in a bit. The operative word being a 'bit'.

But where does it stop? I'm confused, not trying to start some sort of flame war, but really, I am adopted. There is such a line of of parents whom can't for whatever reason conceive, lined up, to the extent that they go afar. Why do we (royal we?) have to pay for a single mom and child on Welfare for upwards of 18 years?

In Canada we pay a very high premium for unemployment insurance and workers compensation. I don't mind helping out my fellow Canuck in dire straights because he or she lost their job. I assume (snicker) they are looking for some other way to get off of social assistance. Good luck, try getting a seasonal worker to stop watching tellie and look for work when they've got money from next season dancing in their heads.

I am not my brother or sisters keeper. Numerous times in my life I have helped people through a decade of their lives with no hope or desire of recompense. I did it because it felt good. But where does it end? When I figured out this 'game' in 1997 I left work to stop paying into CPP/Ei/WC/ etc and ad nauseum. If the Boomers were leaving me a pile of poop for a future I wasn't going to add to their jug of honey. I went feral.

So how long do we allow drains upon a system to continue? If there is a village idiot or two, so be it, it is understood that each has a few. But with half the population smashed out on pharmies and single moms abounding (give'em up girls) how long are those whom have made cognizant decisions about whom they are and where they want to be supposed to support them?

I have collected Welfare and EI, in Canada and was grateful for the ability to do so. I have also paid over 50% of my income to taxes and didn't feel too bad about the short times I NEEDED these cheques. In fact, some of the best business models I have used came out of the disparity of having to rely on my fellow Canucks taxes. But I would never look at either option as a long term income scheme.

If I did 'agree' to be born during this time...I didn't sign up to look after anyone else. That would be a choice, not a demand. Clarification anyone?

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Alexandra

Can you explain to me how one can get a job if there are none in their area?
A lot of small areas in the country are losing jobs and there is no money to move or travel elsewhere and they have kids to feed. Actually, most people are going for food stamps. Houses aren't selling. The economy is in dire straights. What would you suggest?

Thanks for the precursor...how many people on 'benefits' are out running community gardens and not needing the stuff food stamps will buy?
I'm still confused.

[steverocks85]

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by steverocks85

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

Your beautiful. Keep on smiling, it makes me feel good when you do! Youre special, chosen.

A powerful positive force.

[lucrum]

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Gaia

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Watch what you say. You could be next.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by lucrum

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them

One of the points in a slow (vide: intentional) collapse is to GET people into the cystem (sic). It seems like the cheques will still flow but the purchasing power of those cheques will decline rapidly. Then the PTw will start a war and all those slowly starving on their ever diminishing will be forced to join the military...here is a good run down written by a friend of mine recently.

"So..a government(sic) trillions of fun coupons in debt now owns the debt of most all it's citizens.... hmmm..... What is the only tangible thing they got for their money...oh yea, weapons.
Now, if you make it a criminal offense to be in debt then you can radically increase the prison population; this gets you more slave labour which, in turn, will drastically reduce production costs. This also gives you a reliable psuedo middle class (read guards/administrators). furthermore, once a criminal in the States, you can never again apply for the usual benifits to stay alive, nor vote; thus reducing the chance of democratic change (as if that has ever been there).
But some of the folks might catch on and become rebellious. Thus an outside war is a must (with draft). This will ensure that most able-bodied men and women are kept off the streets, shipped out of the country or at least kept in government 'training camps'. War brings casualties, thus ensuring a second psuedo middle-class segment of caregivers etc. Meanwhile the useless back at home can be given crumbs to live out their lives in near poverty, keeping the production of ammo/weapons an other war related items going as fast as possible. Not that they are any safer from your final psuedo middle class segment. Those home security types, happily going about their misserable lives spying, arresting, trying and taxing those in the country, according to the latest economic needs of the government.
Wait a minute, I just reviewed the last century. So...this either gets increased to the nth degree or...the whole thing goes to rot. Either way, hell can no longer pretend heaven and the garden of Eden, as it has always been, shows itself as no more then a place with clean water/food and real humans...not these ugly lizzards pretending they own this planet, and its people, to destroy at their whim. oh yea....and **** the sheep; they will be eating their own before it is all said and done. " Anonymous Friend

The short and sweet of it. If I were to offer advice for anyone, anywhere on Guvmint assistance I would say 'get ye to a library' and order any and all books on Permaculture you can summon. It is one of those design techniques applicable in all situations and since you have free time...you might as well be learning a transition skill. It will come in handy.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Gaia

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Thankfully Gaia doesnt think remotely like you.

[Jacqui D]

Remember Steverocks85 when everything breaks down love you will not have to worry about your disability.
You will be free from any pain,worries, stress, life will be as it should be.
I commend what you said and wish you well.

Originally Posted by steverocks85

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.