Lucifer: Deity of the Elite - Page 2

orthodoxymoron · 09-20-2009, 02:26 PM

I'm hoping that 'creation' has a global exorcism in mind. That's what I have in mind. But hell...why not include the whole solar system?

I just want to know the truth (both pleasant and unpleasant) and eliminate the bs. Is that a dark path? I don't think so.

Steven · 09-20-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I'm hoping that 'creation' has a global exorcism in mind. That's what I have in mind. But hell...why not include the whole solar system?

I just want to know the truth (both pleasant and unpleasant) and eliminate the bs. Is that a dark path? I don't think so.

It is absolutely not a dark path, quite the opposite. Knowledge is light. Darkness is absence of light. But when i say Knowledge, I'm talking about the Knowledge within the Human soul.

The journey begins within by meeting a presence of great Knowledge who inhabits all souls. This presence connect all souls together. And by being connected to all that IS, Love may circulate. When I say Love, I'm talking about a mature Love. A Love that inspires great respect and maturity towards the loved, whatever that be. Love has a vibration of high frequency and high magnitude. It elevates... Thus puts one above the effect of fear and violence. It literally puts one in another range of vibration. That is how Creation will "exorcise" the curse, if I can put it this way.

This world actually vibrates at low frequency and that is why we observe such evilness. It is their range of frequency. Because many humans react with fear, violence, anger. Everytime I act with anger and violence, no matter how, I send my low frequency to the whole and affect it. It affects the whole. Creation act by elevating these cosmical frequencies, thus opposing the effect of low frequencies behaviors and attitudes. It continually sends Love to us. The day will come when enough humans will understand this and begin to be careful with their behavior, attitude and as to where they get the food of their mind. When it will happen, it will elevate the whole Humanity and Earth to pass a threshold where the manipulators won't be able to maintain their activities here. They will have to leave or to be transformed themselves.

It is all about consciousness.

I deeply trust Creation. Mother/Father of all things. Love source. Omniscient and omnipotent. I deeply trust it's ways and laws. Creation listen carefully and will never abandon one child. Never will. But it also depends on the child to allow and trust the relation/process. Our call is heard. Every single soul is carefully listened and understood. But the soul have to do it's part of the relation. Ask to be assisted and you will be. Ask Creation's spirit living into you, this is where he put the phone.

Namaste, Steven

14 Chakras · 09-20-2009, 08:09 PM

Personally, I believe the earth is a schoolroom and we are here Now to learn many lessons as we graduate to the next level.

Some of the key lessons are:

- God is inside of you and all other life, not some bearded dude in the sky with thunderbolts ready to burn your butt when you make mistakes.

- The state of the world is a reflection of our own collective consciousness. To change the world, we must raise our consciousness rather than go about life unconsciously while wolves in sheeps clothing run our world.

- If you go about life unconsciously and expect others to take care of you while you spend your time watching tv, gambling, messing around etc. and you do not connect to the divine, to the God that is in all life, then you will reap as you sew and wolves in sheeps clothing will lead us astray.

However, one of the main lessons we will learn is that as long as there is darkness in this universe, then it is necessary to protect our own world.

Aliens coming here telling us we've finally 'evolved' to the point where we can join their club is quite funny.

Truth is, we were a very advanced world, a world of great light where people would live 14,000 years and then ascend, for many many many millions of years... We were at a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe than we are today, we were actually in the fifth and sixth dimension (which is a level of consciousness where energy is vibrating faster, but is still in the material realm).

We protected our own world by working with Archangel Michael and the heavenly beings. We were in Oneness with them. We knew that life was a balance of spiritual and material experience and we knew that the universe had darkness in it, but we were willing to do the work to protect our world...

That all changed after Marduk blew up and the niburians set up shop on Atlantis...

Eventually all of us, fell in consciousness where we were no longer seeing that we were connected to the higher consciousness, we felt naked (adam and eve), we tried to cover our nakedness with leaves (things of this world - riches, etc), and we were 'sent out of the kingdom' meaning we've been in this lower state of consciousness, the ego consciousness, feeling like we're all separate from each other and from God, and going round and round lifetime after lifetime, completely forgetting what we did and learned in previous lifetimes, but keeping some of the momentum... do we want to keep going through that?

The solution is to regain connection to God within us, to regain mastery over our world and to learn that this is our world and we must protect it, because as long as there is darkness then there will be nefarious forces and energies that will tempt us to give them our own energy...

We are a divine race of God Beings. We simply must remember...

RedeZra · 09-20-2009, 08:43 PM

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I also suggest you dig a bit more about the Apocalypse. It was written for the very first christian communities, it is not today's prediction like many would like it to be. It might seem like this, but keep in mind it has been re-written by the same manipulators you are trying to expose for the purpose of making it all happen. Creation does not condemn, does not judge, nor punish. This is the way of the controllers printed deeply in our genetic. Creation has a different way to get rid of destruction forces, and I bet you know how.

Namaste, Steven

Simply not so

No breach in the Book

Bible is unbribable

Dont you think God can Guard His Word when He says so

...

God can clap His one Hand and make everything Right

But there is a Law

And every free will shall face it

14 Chakras · 09-20-2009, 08:55 PM

Consider that God's word is Life itself and it is written on our inner parts.

Consider God is more than a book, and truth is more than words on a paper.

Consider truth is non-linear and as soon as you create an image of the all powerful God who is outside of you and you are seperated from who requires your worship and will come and reward those who worshiped it in whatever special way and punish those who made mistakes etc... then you have created a graven image.

Remember, those who out of fear hide their talents in the ground rather than multiply them... get their talents taken away from them... the good 'servants' are the one's who multiply their talents and realize that the Christ consciousness is in all life... not a belief system or a church, not a book, but life itSelf.

When we affirm our separation from God, when we affirm that God never changes, that God's word is a book, we are affirming a graven image, a dead god, and a dead word, we are affirming an illusion and we will remain caught in the illusion.

Consider the true word is the LOGOS, the Living Word. Consider God is a Living God, not a dead God, and therefore God is constantly becoming More. Consider when we get back in harmony with the infinite, when we affirm the reality that we are One with it, then we will be back in the divine flow of life where we constantly become More...

RedeZra · 09-21-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Consider that God's word is Life itself and it is written on our inner parts.

Consider God is more than a book, and truth is more than words on a paper.

Hello

Of course God is more than a Book

What are you talking about

Book is here to guide

To affirm the good and convert the bad

Yes of course God is All Powerful

He is the Spirit in Me in You in Sun in Everything

Still its just a fraction of His Glory

It seems to me you dont bother to read what I write

orthodoxymoron · 09-21-2009, 12:45 AM

How do we know that 'God' is 'All Powerful'? Do we make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? Does 'God' make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? I continue to believe that we are dealing with the 'God of This World' aka Lucifer...here on this world. The 'God of the Universe' is a BIG question-mark to me. I think we know very little in this regard. I see evidence of this being in creation...but it seems that there is a huge separation between humanity and the 'God of the Universe'. Why? Did this being exist historically...but not presently? Are we dealing mostly with Humans vs Reptilians presently? Has it always been this way? I have some ideas...but I don't really know.

RedeZra · 09-21-2009, 01:13 AM

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How do we know that 'God' is 'All Powerful'?

You do not know now

You have to catch Him with the Rope of Hope

Faith and Patience will Persevere

Besides Jesus says so lol

Steven · 09-21-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra

Simply not so

No breach in the Book

Bible is unbribable

Dont you think God can Guard His Word when He says so

...

God can clap His one Hand and make everything Right

But there is a Law

And every free will shall face it

Oh really? So tell me what version is the genuine and good one among more then 500 different? Yours I bet...

Namaste, Steven

RedeZra · 09-21-2009, 02:40 AM

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Oh really? So tell me what version is the genuine and good one among more then 500 different? Yours I bet...

hehe some Andromeda humor lol

I told you before

All these hundreds of versions convey the same message Basically no change whatsoever

orthodoxymoron · 09-21-2009, 03:45 AM

Consider this wikipedia link regarding the biblical Canon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon I suspect that Lucifer has been in control of the religion business for a long, long time. In other words...I believe that what we are dealing with is 'the isness turned into the business of a Luciferian monopoly on monotheism'. How pure was the process of writing the scriptures...and subsequentlly selecting the 66 books which compose the Canon? Did Lucifer have anything to say regarding which books were included? Why was the Book of Enoch not included? See the wiki info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch Doesn't the Book of Enoch teach that the 'bad-guys' will have to leave Earth...rather than the 'good-guys'? Even pubs 86 the bad-guys.

It seems to me that the Teachings of Jesus are the 'Loose Canon'...which should be the first and last word for Christians. But if Lucifer controls the churches...this is not going to happen. Christians need to do their own homework...and not just believe everything the church leaders tell them.

Steven · 09-21-2009, 10:18 AM

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hehe some Andromeda humor lol

I told you before

All these hundreds of versions convey the same message Basically no change whatsoever

You might have the chance to hear some Andromedan's humor soon.

I already wrote about it before, enjoy : http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...?t=5892&page=2

We Humans have a tremendous need to unite. Fundamentalism does not unite, it divides. There is not even half the population following the bible, most are following the Coran and many are following the Torah. How books and religion will unite us? It will never do. It is time for fundamentalism to disappear. What will unite all the people on Earth is the divine presence within each of us and present in everything in the Creation. Defining God's will by looking into books and religion is by far the most effective way to manipulate humans, it has already causes many wars and death. What do you need to wake up?

Namaste, Steven

RedeZra · 09-21-2009, 01:42 PM

It is not the books that is the problem but the interpretations of the books

Books themselves are true translations not alterations

So some did not make it into Canon

Bible is a big Book of books

Torah is the five first books of the Old Testament

Quran is a Complement and a Guardian of the Bible

Blame the Books for the mess up of Man but that is like placing the fault with the rules which gives a fine

So the books put some regulations on the freedom of Man but so does Society

Book is a Touchstone and a Standard to test the truths of teachings

Book still standing through the test of times solid as rock beneath the crumbling corruption of the churches

Doctrines come and go as the seasons to suit some self serving fashions

Everything changes we change and still in the midst God is the Same

Oh and it is kinda funny when a sleepwalker asks when will you wake up lol

Steven · 09-21-2009, 02:56 PM

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Books themselves are true translations not alterations

This is the pinnacle of our disagrement.

If you still beleive old religion tradition will unite the humans, well you will be disapointed soon. Religion will fall because the ones who control them at the top of the pyramid do not care about the Creator and the Creation. They care about controlling their followers. Do you homework and search outside these walls, you might see my PoV overthere.

Namaste, Steven

RedeZra · 09-21-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra

Books themselves are true translations not alterations

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Originally Posted by Steven

This is the pinnacle of our disagrement.

If you still beleive old religion tradition will unite the humans, well you will be disapointed soon. Religion will fall because the ones who control them at the top of the pyramid do not care about the Creator and the Creation. They care about controlling their followers.

Yes and it is an important issue

Strip the Bible of its authority and anything goes as far as truth is concerned

It opens avenues of teachings from all over the place contesting in representing truths

What is the big deal about that you might ask I believe what I want and what resonates with me you say My truth is as good as your truth

I say Book is here to guide and guard us against power hungry money makers out to make a quick buck on our thirst for truths and all the while working on the Dream of the Devil to diminish the Glory of God the Saints and the Angels

Keep them out of the loop for Lucifer as the Prince of this world wants the worship

God does not want your worship

He wants charity

He wants innocence and obedience to the Law

Im well aware of the corruption in the church

Doctrines of devils competing with the Breachless Book

Im not so big on religion but I stick to the truth

Unity in Harmony will come about

When the goats are separated from the sheeps

orthodoxymoron · 09-21-2009, 08:51 PM

In the past 2,000 years...has there been even one church which was built on the solid rock of the Teachings of Jesus? The Words of Christ are heresy in the Christian Church...aren't they? Have you taken a careful look at the ethics (or lack thereof) in the Old Testament? If we accept the ethics in the O.T. we can probably justify all manner of conquest and atrocity. Why have Evangelical Christians supported the Bush administration and the Iraq Crusade? I desire a higher standard of ethics than that which is found in the Bible. The Bible should be studied for historical value...and for clues regarding life and theology...but all 66 Books should not be the standard of faith and practice in modernity. This creates a huge mess...especially when one adds all of the supposedly inspired and even infallible interpretations of these 66 Books. The principles and concepts derived from the words of Christ should be sufficient. Isn't this essentially Responsible Freedom?

Isn't that right Lucifer? Come-on Lucifer...smile!

There's some bad blood between you and Jesus...isn't there? Why don't you two just bury the hatchet (and not in each other's backs!)...and reconcile? Neither one of you should have to bow down and worship the other...should you? Could the two of you agree to base the Solar System on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...infused with Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Why might this be a problem for either of you? Would 'Thou shalt have no Gods' and 'Thou shalt not be an @$$hole' be a problem? Would this be a problem for Orion and Draco (and who knows who else)? Come...let us reason together. Why does everything have to be so $crewed-up and stupid? Can't we clear this thing up on a sunny afternoon? Why is this so hard?

Steven · 09-21-2009, 11:16 PM

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Could the two of you agree to base the Solar System on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...infused with Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

...base the solar system on the U.S. constitution and bill of rights... Are you serious? It must be a kind of cultural humor I was not aware of.

And this is for you Redezra, Alex Collier and Andromedan's humor: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2197767

Namaste, Steven

Noela · 09-22-2009, 05:22 AM

I like the way you keep it simple, RedeZra -

"He (God) is the Spirit in Me in You in Sun in everything

Still its just a fraction of His glory"

orthodoxymoron · 09-22-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven

...base the solar system on the U.S. constitution and bill of rights... Are you serious? It must be a kind of cultural humor I was not aware of.

And this is for you Redezra, Alex Collier and Andromedan's humor: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2197767

Namaste, Steven

I couldn't be more serious. Please see the following thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Is there something funny about Responsible Freedom? Would you prefer Irresponsible Tyranny? That's really the choice...isn't it? Notice that I'm not promoting the U.S...especially in light of the past few decades. This is not a U.S. Uber Alles proposal. This is a U.N. based on the U.S. Constitution...and applied to the Solar System...proposal. I'm just doing an experiment...with a pseudo-scientific method. I may be mad...but I do have a method.

Steven · 09-22-2009, 05:32 PM

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I couldn't be more serious. Please see the following thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Is there something funny about Responsible Freedom? Would you prefer Irresponsible Tyranny? That's really the choice...isn't it? Notice that I'm not promoting the U.S...especially in light of the past few decades. This is not a U.S. Uber Alles proposal. This is a U.N. based on the U.S. Constitution...and applied to the Solar System...proposal. I'm just doing an experiment...with a pseudo-scientific method. I may be mad...but I do have a method.

I took a look at your thread, now it has already been made. Naming it United States will not unite people at all. U.S. has too much negative meaning in the consciousness of the masses, it will not be a good idea to push it forward.

Here is something more universal and general, more likely to unite people around the idea. Keep in mind there are many differents cultures on earth. American culture is one amongs many. It is the more spread out, but still one amongs many.

http://www.humansovereignty.org/

here is an old thread about it: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1936

Namaste, Steven

orthodoxymoron · 09-22-2009, 06:28 PM

I am not promoting American Culture. I am promoting Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I am not promoting American control of the Solar System. I am promoting Constitutional Control of the Solar System. I am trying to fire Lucifer. Nothing personal...Lucifer. I simply have a problem with the posted job description for the God of This World (and Solar System?). This job needs to be eliminated. Think of all the money and lives we could save!

Despite the obvious infiltration, subversion, corruption, negative karma, etc...why do people from around the world wish to immigrate to the United States? Is there a problem with the word 'United'? Is there a problem with the word 'States'? Is there a problem with the term 'Solar System'? Why is there a problem with the 'United States of the Solar System'? This is precisely descriptive of that which is desired. The history and momentum of the name is that which is desired. If a country is prejudicially treated and defamed...should they change their name? Should Germany change their name because of Hitler and the Nazi's? I don't think so.

By the way...thank-you for the links Steven. I heard about the 'Declaration of Human Soveriegnty'...but never paid much attention to it...until now. I really like it...and I'm going to place it above the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...on the other thread. I'm really not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I'm just doing a thought experiment...which might inspire someone or some group who really know what they're doing...and have a lot of clout...to press forward.

Steven · 09-22-2009, 08:27 PM

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I'm just doing a thought experiment...which might inspire someone or some group who really know what they're doing...and have a lot of clout...to press forward.

I knew your intention Ortho. I find it more than important to bring it up to the people and it deserves time and work. This is after all the base of a constitution needed to enter into a greater community.

Namaste, Steven

orthodoxymoron · 09-22-2009, 08:59 PM

Thank-you Steven.

The word which you close your comments with...Namaste...is the key to everything. There is a divinity which resides within all of humanity. We are one infinitely diverse and sovereign race.

Namaste

Steven · 09-22-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

There is a divinity which resides within all of humanity. We are one infinitely diverse and sovereign race.

Namaste

So true bro. This divinity is waking us up, slowly, but surely.

Namaste, Steven

RedeZra · 09-22-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Have you taken a careful look at the ethics (or lack thereof) in the Old Testament? If we accept the ethics in the O.T. we can probably justify all manner of conquest and atrocity.

The Israelites invasion of Caanan

tributary tribes

to the Pharaoh

lost in

child sacrifice cult fertility

witchcraft and whoreship

to Molech and to Baal

09-20-2009, 02:26 PM	#26
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite I'm hoping that 'creation' has a global exorcism in mind. That's what I have in mind. But hell...why not include the whole solar system? I just want to know the truth (both pleasant and unpleasant) and eliminate the bs. Is that a dark path? I don't think so.

09-20-2009, 08:09 PM	#28
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Personally, I believe the earth is a schoolroom and we are here Now to learn many lessons as we graduate to the next level. Some of the key lessons are: - God is inside of you and all other life, not some bearded dude in the sky with thunderbolts ready to burn your butt when you make mistakes. - The state of the world is a reflection of our own collective consciousness. To change the world, we must raise our consciousness rather than go about life unconsciously while wolves in sheeps clothing run our world. - If you go about life unconsciously and expect others to take care of you while you spend your time watching tv, gambling, messing around etc. and you do not connect to the divine, to the God that is in all life, then you will reap as you sew and wolves in sheeps clothing will lead us astray. However, one of the main lessons we will learn is that as long as there is darkness in this universe, then it is necessary to protect our own world. Aliens coming here telling us we've finally 'evolved' to the point where we can join their club is quite funny. Truth is, we were a very advanced world, a world of great light where people would live 14,000 years and then ascend, for many many many millions of years... We were at a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe than we are today, we were actually in the fifth and sixth dimension (which is a level of consciousness where energy is vibrating faster, but is still in the material realm). We protected our own world by working with Archangel Michael and the heavenly beings. We were in Oneness with them. We knew that life was a balance of spiritual and material experience and we knew that the universe had darkness in it, but we were willing to do the work to protect our world... That all changed after Marduk blew up and the niburians set up shop on Atlantis... Eventually all of us, fell in consciousness where we were no longer seeing that we were connected to the higher consciousness, we felt naked (adam and eve), we tried to cover our nakedness with leaves (things of this world - riches, etc), and we were 'sent out of the kingdom' meaning we've been in this lower state of consciousness, the ego consciousness, feeling like we're all separate from each other and from God, and going round and round lifetime after lifetime, completely forgetting what we did and learned in previous lifetimes, but keeping some of the momentum... do we want to keep going through that? The solution is to regain connection to God within us, to regain mastery over our world and to learn that this is our world and we must protect it, because as long as there is darkness then there will be nefarious forces and energies that will tempt us to give them our own energy... We are a divine race of God Beings. We simply must remember... Last edited by 14 Chakras; 09-20-2009 at 08:13 PM.

09-20-2009, 08:55 PM	#30
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Consider that God's word is Life itself and it is written on our inner parts. Consider God is more than a book, and truth is more than words on a paper. Consider truth is non-linear and as soon as you create an image of the all powerful God who is outside of you and you are seperated from who requires your worship and will come and reward those who worshiped it in whatever special way and punish those who made mistakes etc... then you have created a graven image. Remember, those who out of fear hide their talents in the ground rather than multiply them... get their talents taken away from them... the good 'servants' are the one's who multiply their talents and realize that the Christ consciousness is in all life... not a belief system or a church, not a book, but life itSelf. When we affirm our separation from God, when we affirm that God never changes, that God's word is a book, we are affirming a graven image, a dead god, and a dead word, we are affirming an illusion and we will remain caught in the illusion. Consider the true word is the LOGOS, the Living Word. Consider God is a Living God, not a dead God, and therefore God is constantly becoming More. Consider when we get back in harmony with the infinite, when we affirm the reality that we are One with it, then we will be back in the divine flow of life where we constantly become More... Last edited by 14 Chakras; 09-20-2009 at 09:49 PM.

09-21-2009, 12:45 AM	#32
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite How do we know that 'God' is 'All Powerful'? Do we make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? Does 'God' make up a lot of stuff about 'God'? I continue to believe that we are dealing with the 'God of This World' aka Lucifer...here on this world. The 'God of the Universe' is a BIG question-mark to me. I think we know very little in this regard. I see evidence of this being in creation...but it seems that there is a huge separation between humanity and the 'God of the Universe'. Why? Did this being exist historically...but not presently? Are we dealing mostly with Humans vs Reptilians presently? Has it always been this way? I have some ideas...but I don't really know. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-21-2009 at 12:50 AM.

09-21-2009, 03:45 AM	#36
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Consider this wikipedia link regarding the biblical Canon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon I suspect that Lucifer has been in control of the religion business for a long, long time. In other words...I believe that what we are dealing with is 'the isness turned into the business of a Luciferian monopoly on monotheism'. How pure was the process of writing the scriptures...and subsequentlly selecting the 66 books which compose the Canon? Did Lucifer have anything to say regarding which books were included? Why was the Book of Enoch not included? See the wiki info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch Doesn't the Book of Enoch teach that the 'bad-guys' will have to leave Earth...rather than the 'good-guys'? Even pubs 86 the bad-guys. It seems to me that the Teachings of Jesus are the 'Loose Canon'...which should be the first and last word for Christians. But if Lucifer controls the churches...this is not going to happen. Christians need to do their own homework...and not just believe everything the church leaders tell them. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-21-2009 at 03:59 AM.

09-21-2009, 01:42 PM	#38
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite It is not the books that is the problem but the interpretations of the books Books themselves are true translations not alterations So some did not make it into Canon Bible is a big Book of books Torah is the five first books of the Old Testament Quran is a Complement and a Guardian of the Bible Blame the Books for the mess up of Man but that is like placing the fault with the rules which gives a fine So the books put some regulations on the freedom of Man but so does Society Book is a Touchstone and a Standard to test the truths of teachings Book still standing through the test of times solid as rock beneath the crumbling corruption of the churches Doctrines come and go as the seasons to suit some self serving fashions Everything changes we change and still in the midst God is the Same Oh and it is kinda funny when a sleepwalker asks when will you wake up lol Last edited by RedeZra; 09-21-2009 at 02:27 PM.

09-21-2009, 08:51 PM	#41
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite In the past 2,000 years...has there been even one church which was built on the solid rock of the Teachings of Jesus? The Words of Christ are heresy in the Christian Church...aren't they? Have you taken a careful look at the ethics (or lack thereof) in the Old Testament? If we accept the ethics in the O.T. we can probably justify all manner of conquest and atrocity. Why have Evangelical Christians supported the Bush administration and the Iraq Crusade? I desire a higher standard of ethics than that which is found in the Bible. The Bible should be studied for historical value...and for clues regarding life and theology...but all 66 Books should not be the standard of faith and practice in modernity. This creates a huge mess...especially when one adds all of the supposedly inspired and even infallible interpretations of these 66 Books. The principles and concepts derived from the words of Christ should be sufficient. Isn't this essentially Responsible Freedom? Isn't that right Lucifer? Come-on Lucifer...smile! There's some bad blood between you and Jesus...isn't there? Why don't you two just bury the hatchet (and not in each other's backs!)...and reconcile? Neither one of you should have to bow down and worship the other...should you? Could the two of you agree to base the Solar System on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...infused with Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Why might this be a problem for either of you? Would 'Thou shalt have no Gods' and 'Thou shalt not be an @$$hole' be a problem? Would this be a problem for Orion and Draco (and who knows who else)? Come...let us reason together. Why does everything have to be so $crewed-up and stupid? Can't we clear this thing up on a sunny afternoon? Why is this so hard? Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-21-2009 at 09:24 PM.

09-22-2009, 05:22 AM	#43
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite I like the way you keep it simple, RedeZra - "He (God) is the Spirit in Me in You in Sun in everything Still its just a fraction of His glory"

09-22-2009, 06:28 PM	#46
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite I am not promoting American Culture. I am promoting Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I am not promoting American control of the Solar System. I am promoting Constitutional Control of the Solar System. I am trying to fire Lucifer. Nothing personal...Lucifer. I simply have a problem with the posted job description for the God of This World (and Solar System?). This job needs to be eliminated. Think of all the money and lives we could save! Despite the obvious infiltration, subversion, corruption, negative karma, etc...why do people from around the world wish to immigrate to the United States? Is there a problem with the word 'United'? Is there a problem with the word 'States'? Is there a problem with the term 'Solar System'? Why is there a problem with the 'United States of the Solar System'? This is precisely descriptive of that which is desired. The history and momentum of the name is that which is desired. If a country is prejudicially treated and defamed...should they change their name? Should Germany change their name because of Hitler and the Nazi's? I don't think so. By the way...thank-you for the links Steven. I heard about the 'Declaration of Human Soveriegnty'...but never paid much attention to it...until now. I really like it...and I'm going to place it above the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...on the other thread. I'm really not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I'm just doing a thought experiment...which might inspire someone or some group who really know what they're doing...and have a lot of clout...to press forward. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 09-22-2009 at 07:04 PM.

09-22-2009, 08:59 PM	#48
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Lucifer: Deity of the Elite Thank-you Steven. The word which you close your comments with...Namaste...is the key to everything. There is a divinity which resides within all of humanity. We are one infinitely diverse and sovereign race. Namaste