Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital

[Orion11]

I'm sick of listening to you crying over Obama too, he is not who you think he is, he is a murderer of his 3 gay lovers and a crack addict. He is not a citizen and does not deserve to be in power as he is evil. He is trying to destroy our world

let me guess...

you're the woman who posted the youtube video of the
"sprinkler rainbow conspiracy "..
right?

lol

This thread is basically garbage now,
thanks to the children who never learned respect for each other.

Im thinking about making my own "BAN me now request"
just so i wont be compelled to come here anymore and listen to this fake bs.
seriously.

got that ban button handy yet, Jack? Anchor? lol

ohh, niice pic j rod.
/|\

[Carol]

When I first heard of MJ's death I was shocked. My next feeling was one of sadness for his children. Irrespective of his flaws he was a great entertainer and a father - who was loved by his children and fans.

It appears that he died from the combination of meds he was on which is also sad because it was preventable had his meds been monitored correctly. However, his death also does not talke away from how he lived his life along with the positive and negative impact it had on others. It would not surprise me if he had been molested as a child and his own aberrent behavior resulted from his own victimization.

At this point all we can really do is pray for his soul and for his family. I would hope others step back and regard his death as a time of personal reflection. I know in the past I was very angry about his sexually abusive behaviour toward children. I too had listened to family members talk and read transcripts of his testimony. Later it seemed that he did pay emotionally for some of negative aspects of what he did.

One can only speculate as to the seeds of karma sown or reaped.

The time of anger is in the past. I'm sorry about his passing and saddened as his was a life that ended abruptly.

However, I do wish to comment on some very destructive behavior I've seen by some of the forum's members. I've observed a pattern of emotional attack against others when opinions or points of view differ. I cannot begin to tell you how many complaints come to us regarding this type of behavior and frequently those that send complaints to us are also guilty of the very same type of behavior toward their fellow members. Personal attacks have driven off numerous good members who just refuse to put up with destructive forum interactions any longer. It is one thing to offer up an opinion about some subject and quite another to go on the attack of another member.

Take a look at the stats. The forum's numbers keep dwindling and this back biting has been an ongoing problem long before the subscription system went in. It needs to stop.

Soulmate7 asked to be banned and is now no longer here. If folks can't even get along on a forum how on earth do you expect to get along in real life when the stressors are exacerbated a 100 fold. The times ahead are similar to being cast into a swirling sea. Survival is dependent upon working together - not tearing one another apart.

The Nexus thread is a great example of how to interact with one another.

I'm also aware that forums tend to be a place where people often work out unresolved emotional issues. Yet this forum is also suppose to be a safe haven. Please feel free to share your experience, your opinion, your inspiriation - and refrain from creating discord with fellow members.

[Tango]

All very large performances must be insured... Each Concert....

Could it be that someone is looking to collect on such insurance policies...?

Demerol, has to build up in the body to cause seizures. He could have been
given a Hot Shot... Some, that are mean and greedy could have delivered
a Hot Shot... How would the doctor know...? Demerol normally comes in
tubex 25; 50; 75; 100 mg... Any nurses here for confirmation...? First the
breathing stops... Then the heart stops... The being doesn't know they are
going to pass as they are asleep... I don't think Michael knew he was leaving...

Money... Makes people do things...

Carol... Do you want me to ' Back Off '...?

Trooly,


Tango

[Steve_A]

Hi Tango,

Crikey, not likely! You are spot on about Demorol.

The thing is though that the heart stops because there is no more oxygen in the body due to the stoppage of breathing.

There is an antedote called Narcan which should always be at hand and the doctor would have known this if he was a cardiologist.

But I ask, as I did in another thread about the death of Jackson, is why the doctor didn't take Jackson to hospital in his own car? The hospital was not all that far away and he could have called ahead to let an emergency team know that he was arriving.

One time I had an emergency with a child and that is what I did. Instead of waiting tfor an ambulance to arrive, I took the kid in my car and phoned to tell the ER I was arriving, and they were ready when I got there!

You added a nice piece of information for my hypothesis of reasons to kill. When the insurance was taken out, Jackson had to go through a complete medical. He was thin, frail, 50 years old, and was wanting to be insured for a grueling 50 shows in a short space of time, after being a couch potato for some years!

I would love to know if the guy who signed the contract is still in his job!!

Still, we will find out in the end...... or will we?

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Tango

All very large performances must be insured... Each Concert....

Could it be that someone is looking to collect on such an insurance policy...?

Demerol, has to build up in the body to cause seizures. He could have been
given a Hot Shot... Some, that are mean and greedy could have delivered
a Hot Shot... How would the doctor know...? Demerol normally comes in
tubex 25; 50; 75; 100 mg... Any nurses here for confirmation...? First the
breathing stops... Then the heart stops... The being doesn't know they are
going to pass as they are asleep... I don't think Michael knew he was leaving...

Money... Makes people do things...

Carol... Do you want me to ' Back Off '...?

Trooly,


Tango

[Orion11]

Carol: I cannot begin to tell you how many complaints come to us regarding this type of behavior and frequently those that send complaints to us are also guilty of the very same type of behavior toward their fellow members.

Guilty,
I messed up and did it just the other day. ( a couple of times, mind you)

My apologies.

from now on..
if someones frequency is that of a negative nature here..
I will do my best to keep my big yap closed and keep my own demons suppressed and hungry.

as we all know by now...
i often have problems with keeping my mouth closed.
and i am still not quite the human i strive to be, so i slip up sometimes.

apologies again for feeding negativity with negativity.

and p.s... I think the moderators we have now.....
far surpass the kindness and loving nature of some we had in the beginning.
nice to see.


thanks.

[Tango]

Steve,

Maybe, I should have gone into moore detail abt what I was saying...

example: Let's say that Michael was taking 50 mg. and a tubex was loaded
with 100 mg. or moore, but in a tubex marked as a 50.... Yes, I'm familiar
w/Narcan and how is works... [I've been highly trained on class 1-5's and higher]
control substances. The doc would Not have known the difference
the being would go to sleep as they normally will. Doc checks his pt.
after let's say 15-20 min. AND he is Not breathing... It's already tooo late.

If it was Me investigating... I'd secure every tubex... test the contents
for strength of Demerol (Now remember same amount of fluid in each tubex
container) I'd also want to test the discarded tubex as there should be som
left in the needle... Medical professionals are trusting would have just loaded
the tubex in the dispenser.... I'd secure Everything; lock it down tight...
I'd also check the source of the meds. You would only need one Hot tubex
in the box; You know how they're packaged; you have to break the tab for
each tubex removed... Got to think like a perp. I'd want to test that needle

Also, the Doc was from Vegas. Source of meds. probably Apria or som
other provider... Not going to find That in the local pharmacy.

50 concerts; I had No Idea it was that many... Now, it's even more
likely.


Trooly,


Tango

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Tango,

Crikey, not likely! You are spot on about Demorol.

The thing is though that the heart stops because there is no more oxygen in the body due to the stoppage of breathing.

There is an antedote called Narcan which should always be at hand and the doctor would have known this if he was a cardiologist.

But I ask, as I did in another thread about the death of Jackson, is why the doctor didn't take Jackson to hospital in his own car? The hospital was not all that far away and he could have called ahead to let an emergency team know that he was arriving.

One time I had an emergency with a child and that is what I did. Instead of waiting tfor an ambulance to arrive, I took the kid in my car and phoned to tell the ER I was arriving, and they were ready when I got there!

You added a nice piece of information for my hypothesis of reasons to kill. When the insurance was taken out, Jackson had to go through a complete medical. He was thin, frail, 50 years old, and was wanting to be insured for a grueling 50 shows in a short space of time, after being a couch potato for some years!

I would love to know if the guy who signed the contract is still in his job!!

Still, we will find out in the end...... or will we?

Best regards,

Steve

[Carol]

Tango - no need. Your comments are interesting to read and not personally attacking anyone. It would be interesting to note what did happen with the doc as he did flee. And it would be worth while to check out the other items you identified just to rule out foul play.

Personally, I thought MJ not in the best of health and his preparing for the upcoming concert must have been exhausting for him. In addition, after years of drug use (as in pain killers) who knows what toll that took on his body over the years. I would hope his death is not related to foul play but more along the lines of negligence by himself or perhaps the doc who was trying to help him. Indeed, I truly feel sorry for the doc involved as his life will never be the same again given the anger that the fans are now generating. They are likely looking for someone to blame and the doc is just a wee bit too handy a scapegoat if he was really monitoring the situation with an astute eye.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Orion11

Guilty,
I messed up and did it just the other day. ( a couple of times, mind you)

My apologies.

from now on..
if someones frequency is that of a negative nature here..
I will do my best to keep my big yap closed and keep my own demons suppressed and hungry.

as we all know by now...
i often have problems with keeping my mouth closed.
and i am still not quite the human i strive to be, so i slip up sometimes.

apologies again for feeding negativity with negativity.

and p.s... I think the moderators we have now.....
far surpass the kindness and loving nature of some we had in the beginning.
nice to see.


thanks.

Ditto...I'm guilty of the same...I will try to tone it down in the future. We all need to work together to get all the information shared here out to the world. If we are being negative, it will come across.
Mods are doing a great job

Just don't expect me to say anything positive about Cheney or Bush

[Tango]

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[Orion11]

I'm working on it... I'm told on every meditation
I need to work on having compassion...

"I kinda lose it" ....I, me, my people really
get under MY skin...

i know the feeling, man.

lots to learn. lol

[Tango]

Even if he was monitoring as normal... And, Narcan was available...

Again, I'd test that needle... Brain cultures needed... Sample of the
injection site if IM; IV may be even more troubling...

50 concerts insured for the average revenue intake....

Yep... I'd keep that body in a locked vault... [under armed guard]...

I'd also get the absolulate BEST pathologist in the world... Not an LA
County Path. That body is worth billions for evidence...

Will we ever really know the truth... Highly unlikely...

I'd want to check the investors of the concerts. Business' invested in...
pharmaceutical manufacturing investing would set off bells for me.

It ' could ' be Moore profitable for the concerts Not to happen... Isn't that
truely sad... Its been done before...

Trooly,

Tango

Originally Posted by Carol

Tango - no need. Your comments are interesting to read and not personally attacking anyone. It would be interesting to note what did happen with the doc as he did flee. And it would be worth while to check out the other items you identified just to rule out foul play.

Personally, I thought MJ not in the best of health and his preparing for the upcoming concert must have been exhausting for him. In addition, after years of drug use (as in pain killers) who knows what toll that took on his body over the years. I would hope his death is not related to foul play but more along the lines of negligence by himself or perhaps the doc who was trying to help him. Indeed, I truly feel sorry for the doc involved as his life will never be the same again given the anger that the fans are now generating. They are likely looking for someone to blame and the doc is just a wee bit too handy a scapegoat if he was really monitoring the situation with an astute eye.

[Tango]

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[Orion11]

Figured id add a little love to this thread..

Words for everyone.. even the hateful.

Words that i believe could not come from anyone other than a very bright, enlightened , truly loving soul.

im not a "huge fan" , but growing up he was one of my favorite people ever.

so here are some meaningful words ive come across of his.
they may also bring some understanding , who knows? lol
<3

In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
Ill Never Let You Part
For Youre Always In My Heart

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for the world that I come from
'Cause I've been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart...
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities...
'Cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me...

People say I'm not okay
'Cause I love such elementary things...
It's been my fate to compensate,
For the Childhood
I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?

People say I'm strange that way
'Cause I love such elementary things,
It's been my fate to compensate,
For the Childhood I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
The dreams I would dare, watch me fly...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I've had

Have you seen my Childhood...

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain...
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've she'd before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?


What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores

I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far

Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about apathy
(What about us)
I need you
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo, ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn

There's A Place In
Your Heart
And I Know That It Is Love
And This Place Could
Be Much
Brighter Than Tomorrow
And If You Really Try
You'll Find There's No Need
To Cry
In This Place You'll Feel
There's No Hurt Or Sorrow

There Are Ways
To Get There
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
Make A Better Place...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

If You Want To Know Why
There's A Love That
Cannot Lie
Love Is Strong
It Only Cares For
Joyful Giving
If We Try
We Shall See
In This Bliss
We Cannot Feel
Fear Or Dread
We Stop Existing And
Start Living

Then It Feels That Always
Love's Enough For
Us Growing
So Make A Better World
Make A Better World...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

And The Dream We Were
Conceived In
Will Reveal A Joyful Face
And The World We
Once Believed In
Will Shine Again In Grace
Then Why Do We Keep
Strangling Life
Wound This Earth
Crucify it's Soul
Though It's Plain To See
This World Is Heavenly
Be God's Glow

We Could Fly So High
Let Our Spirits Never Die
In My Heart
I Feel You Are All
My Brothers
Create A World With
No Fear
Together We'll Cry
Happy Tears
See The Nations Turn
Their Swords
Into Plowshares

We Could Really Get There
If You Cared Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
To Make A Better Place...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

Some people say
I live in a fantasy
Because I see the world
Differently
Visions come to me
In my sleep
I closed my eyes
To see what God is showing me

Close your eyes
And imagine with me
See the wonder
In every living thing
If we can live our lives
The way it is in my dreams
Love will take us to a place where
God can be seen

This is my dream

I have this dream
This i believe
The world a place for all humanity
If we could take love to it's highest level
More than the world has ever seen
I have this dream

Verse 2

Let's put Gods love opn display
Angel of love come my way
It really up to you and me
One world together in harmony

In my dream I see heaven
And the face of the one perfect being
I see people turning into angels
And God giving them their wings

This is my dream

Chorus

I have this dream
This I believe
The world's a place
For all humanity

If we could take love
To it's highest level
More than the world has ever seen
I have this dream

Michael Jackson.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Anchor

6 more posts deleted.

This is not a free speech issue. It is about respect. Since this forum was formed, one of the first rules was no personal attacks, and any posts that do that (or fan the flames of the ensuing flamewar) are subject to modification or removal.

A..

I saw one of those posts quoted.

I'm really disappointed in this place.

Then again, those with unorthodox opinions and feelings will meet resistance no matter where they go. I am used to traveling that road.

[Angel in Disguise]

And the company who organised Jackson's forthcoming London tour have today said Dr Murray was on their payroll. This statement can be found in this article... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-cocktail.html

[Orion11]

well said Humble.

@ MnTruthseeker~ that is where my distasteful comment came in.

My little comment on the rainbow video was not serious
and i apologize for it...
I am sorry.

It was more of a "joke"
albeit a bad one,

i did it because
The 'theories" or accusations, if you rather
that you threw out there about obama
(who, for the record... i am not a big fan of)

were completely hearsay
and until facts can be presented
is more just wild poo tossed around on the net,

i found it hard to believe
that someone would actually just up and believe something like that with no proof.

The "sprinkler rainbow conspiracy" video i mentioned..

i mentioned because the woman in it,
was saying absolutely crazy things like that
only much worse. lol

things like.. " the rainbow from her sprinkler (aka light refraction), was a huge conspiracy caused by poisons and toxins and how very very strange it was to see a rainbow in her backyard, with the sun shining and sprinkler going".

lots of crazy crazy stuff....
that makes actual truthseekers look like they are all absolutely insane.

so,
to be honest..
it was more of a weak, cheap insult
that i take back,
if youll allow me to ? lol


i spoke in that thread,
of people being children and not knowing how to respect each other,
while at the same exact time, my own hypocrisy surfaced and i did the exact same thing i was talking down upon.

truly, my apologies.

But "reason" and "logic" are both absolutely crucial in this field if we "truthers" want to be taken even semi-seriously.

[Tango]

Thank you...... Can you hear that BELL.....

That body has value for the truth... Honesty...

Now, It needs to be all tied together using physical hard evidence...
Not, heresay.... documented... contracts... order for the meds.
Controls have to be logged; signed for on DEA form no. 222's, lot number
of the box... [batch] down to the smallest detail. All this may take two
years to gather all the needed evidence. probably more bodies are going
to turn up, out of the blue of others connected.

Trooly,


Tango

Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

And the company who organised Jackson's forthcoming London tour have today said Dr Murray was on their payroll. This statement can be found in this article... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-cocktail.html

[Anchor]

How about I split this thread? We can peel off the Obama stuff into a new thread if you want (or merge it with one of the other ones that are around on this forum).

A..


[ok did it, go here http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...2&postcount=3]

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Orion11

The "sprinkler rainbow conspiracy" video i mentioned..

LOL Hilarious one... http://failblog.org/2008/09/08/conspiracy-fail/

[Orion11]

Originally Posted by Anchor

How about I split this thread? We can peel off the Obama stuff into a new thread if you want (or merge it with one of the other ones that are around on this forum).

A..

meh,


lol

metaw.. it is pretty hilarious... if not sad. lol

[Orion11]

Tango... dood....

Just because another topic gets brought up in a thread on another topic..

Does not always mean that there is someone sinister behind it trying to intentionally distract everyone.

sure it happens, we know.

and when it really happens,
its not really difficult to tell..

But doing it everytime someones mind wanders off in a particular thread..
thats just like adding more conspiracies to conspiracies about conspiracies. lol

really though, no?
/|\

[BROOK]

Okay..I'm getting the feeling we need a little....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojpbOJjrGBQ

[Humble Janitor]

The love sure as heck isn't here.

[peaceandlove]

Michael Jackson promoters struggle to insure London concerts

Promoters behind Michael Jackson's sell-out run at the O2 arena have not yet been able to arrange a full cancellation policy with insurers, and the company could face millions in losses if the star fails to complete his 50-day schedule.

By Jamie Dunkley and Rowena Mason
Published: 6:36PM GMT 13 Mar 2009

AEG Live, which organised the star's programme starting in July, said the company is "still negotiating" with insurers, but insisted it is willing to take on the risk of Jackson falling ill.

Insurance sources told trade magazine Reinsurance that the appetite to cover the risk was low after the schedule was extended from an initial 10 days.

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They said concerns existed over the 50-year-old's health and the gruelling seven-month run.

The company is understood to have managed to secure cover for the first 10 dates, worth about £80m, with the additional dates likely to take the policy towards £300m.

Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, said the company would be willing to self-insure for the shows to go ahead, but he played down health concerns.

"The insurance brokers sent doctors and they spend five hours with him, taking blood tests. He's a vegetarian, he's in great shape. The insurance cover, we are working on that now," he said.

"But we would be prepared to self-insure to make up the dates. It's a risk we're willing to take to bring the King of Pop to his fans."

The insurance deal is being brokered by Robertson Taylor who refused to comment.
Sales of Jackson's greatest hits album, King Of Pop, have also shown a four-fold increase at HMV stores.

SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-concerts.html

[peaceandlove]

I've never seen this before, was up on yahoo when I returned home tonight.

Prisoners Of Love: The New "Thriller" Re-enactment

Posted Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:41pm PDT by Billy Altman in Stop The Presses!

Talk about deja view all over again.

Earlier today, the 1,500 orange-jumpsuit-clad inmates of the Cebu Provincial Detention & Rehabilitation Center on the east coast of Cebu Island in the Philippines reprised their phenomenally popular 2007 viral performance of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" in tribute to the King Of Pop, who died Thursday.

Video (0:46): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A98v...layer_embedded

The original four-minute Web-smash video, you may recall, stemmed from an experimental program started by local security consultant Byron Garcia, which added synchronized dancing to the prison's exercise programs in the hopes of spurring better attendance and more involved participation. And judging by the results, it was certainly a success, as Garcia's post of the convicts' conga lines cavorting a la Jackson and his legion of undulating undead became an immediate phenomenon, drawing over 24 million hits--a million of them in the 24-hour period following the news of Jackson's death.

Video (4:26): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7...layer_embedded

Continues: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sto...-re-enactment/