Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital - Page 3

pyrangello · 06-26-2009, 12:26 PM

I 've been catching a bit of the news in the last 12 hours, and with that getting to watch the videos with MJ songs and dance. Talented, groundbreaking, Growing up in the detroit area, listening to AM radio as a kid and the Motown sound on a small transistor radio. What a career he had, great songs and the dancing that would keep you in awe. As I got older and started hitting the clubs "Thriller " came out and all the rest. What a time, great memories and the dance floor was always packed.

Being an entertainer is a breed apart, the pressures, demands, people taking advantage , drugs, sex and booze. I once had a chance to be in the first MAD MAX film . I'm glad I turned that down as that lifestyle has many downfalls. AS talented as MJ was there were many down sides to his personal life. WE will all get the review of life one day. They said on the news this morning his current income was 13 million a month but he was still spending 30 million a month, very sad indeed. Rest in Peace MJ Thanks for all the memories , the good ones at the peak of your career. May your soul be at peace and the path of light be available to you.

metaw3 · 06-26-2009, 01:10 PM

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I think its a golden opportunity tomorrow for any western government to sneak through any unpopular legslation or something. Lets keep an eye out ;-)

Exactly what I was thinking about...

http://www.infowars.com/jackson-and-...es-on-liberty/

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Originally Posted by http://www.infowars.com/jackson-and-fawcett-deaths-overshadow-nwo-moves-on-liberty/

It’s like manna from heaven for the corporate media. Michael Jackson, the “King of Pop,” and Farrah Fawcett, the “It Girl,” have died on the same day. Details of these two tragic events will now dominate the media for more than a week and push vastly more important events into the shadows.

Steve_A · 06-26-2009, 01:52 PM

Hi MONITOR,

I would agree with you. I would also go one step further. He was never charged criminally the first time he was accused, that was a civil case, which was retracted by the accuser. I think they received a million dollars from Jackson.

If the accusation was true, the parents sold their little boys anus for money, which makes them more prostitutes than what walk along any red light district.

If it was false, I hope they are happy with their million. I'm sure it's spent by now and their conscience rests at ease (I'm sure it does).

In the criminal case against Jackson, he was found 'not guilty'.

If one wishes to argue the toss as to whether the court case was run according to law or not, that is more of a question to be directed against the legal system and not between accuser and defendant.

Was he a strange man? Sure he was! Did parents keep their kids away from him? No. Why? Because there are so many 'hangers on' and leeches in this world.

Best regards,

Steve

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Michael Jackson was never convicted of child sex abuse. People are "always innocent until proven guilty". This is one of the "Universal declaration of Human Rights" we have. We are innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!! No matter were you are in this world, or who you are, nobody can take away your Human Right's. Not even if you are dead!!

cloud9 · 06-26-2009, 02:27 PM

Well, I'm surprised to see such hard feelings here. I don't condem nor I defend MJ or anybody else, I usually try to see the good en everybody because there's no such a thing as a 100% bad or good people, we all make mistakes big or small in our lifes and we are all learning.
It's not the point to talk about extremes as statues and glorification of people who had inflicted suffering unto others.
For those who feel MJ or anybody else have done wrong in this world, let's remember that NOTHING touches our soul. Feeling anger, hate, emotional pain, groudge or any "negative" feeling doesn't affect the other person, the only ones affected by it are ourselves.
If we feel we hate or can't forgive other human being, so much learning is still need it, it means we really need to work on it. It's very damaging to hold those felings and at the end, it's just a decision we make to live our lives in peace or in pain because it doesn't affect anybody else, just us. Besides, we very easy forget that we make "agreements" in the soul level to have different experiences as part of the learning process, we just don't remember.

Sarahmay · 06-26-2009, 02:58 PM

I think a lot of people are going to end their incarnations in the next 1.5 years--always a soul choice, and perhaps they don't want to go through the shift. I expect to see more suprising deaths of famous people who are not very old.

Michael was a very, very sensitive soul who found life to be extremely painful. He didn't cope particularly well. His androgyny was reflective of the re-emergence of the divine feminine, but it manifested in an unnatural way that made people uncomfortable. He certainly wasn't perfect, but he was both and icon and an archetype.

Tango · 06-26-2009, 03:08 PM

Steve,

I respectfully request that this thread be CLEANED UP or REMOVED...

I'm sooo sorry to see that mental illness is so active on this site...

attacks on other members... Judgements... Disrepect....

Yes... the distractors are doing " What They Do." disgusting in MY EYE...
They BLAME others for THEIR lives experience. They've learned Nothing
from being here [on Terra] And, 'they' picked their experience before
coming here. I guess they are going to be returning, several times.

I probably should have sent this to you in a private message...

Yes, Congress IS passing Cap N' Tax...

Please, Do your duty as assigned...... You Know:

" The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life...
Attitude, to me, is More Important than the facts. It is more important than
the Past, than your education, than Money, than circumstances, than your
Failures, Than successes, than what other people think or say or do.
It is more Important than your appearance, giftedness or your skill...
It will make or break a company... A chruch... Even your home... The
remarkable thing is we have a Choice everyday regarding the attitude we
will embrace for that day. We cannot change Our past... We cannot change
the fact that people will act in their certain way. We cannot change the
inevitable... The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have,
and that is OUR attitude... I am CONVINCED that life is 10% what happens
to me and 90% How I react to it... And so it is with you... we are all in
charge of our attitudes." ~ Charles Swindoll

Trooly,

Tango

Soulmate7 · 06-26-2009, 04:03 PM

Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

mntruthseeker · 06-26-2009, 04:11 PM

did you just say some of us were all mentally retarded? OH BOY and I thoght I was bad LOL LOL

yep, I must be a victim of "mind control" please forgive me and my anger. I hope that there was no physical pain with what I said.

At the same time, I applaud those that DO admit their errors and correct their lives.

NO I dont blame MJ for what happened in my life......I mentioned that I had a real pain with the issues.

Apparently that pain is something that I needed to bring back into my life so I can for once put it behind me.

right now I just can't stop laughing at your bold words. YOU have attacked while you preach about others attacking

BAN me too...............

Tango · 06-26-2009, 05:00 PM

You don't like the writings of Charles Swindoll...?

Adjust your Attitude... Your a Victim of MK...? Retarded...? Where the
helll did that come from...? Work it people, All the attention is on YOU...? It's
NOT about YOU, Sorry... Preach...? You haven't heard anyone in Years...
Just, look at your life....!!! Michael Jackson dies, of a Demerol injection,
and YOU want attention?

It's all abt You... Right ! Oh, you will be back !!! You don't " Get It " at all.

I very much dislike detractors... Its simple... Adjust you attitude...!!!

Bann You...? That's a Cop Out... How, are you going to learn...? Only,
YOU can fix you... You, picked your experience. Just, as I picked mine.

Tango

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did you just say some of us were all mentally retarded? OH BOY and I thoght I was bad LOL LOL

yep, I must be a victim of "mind control" please forgive me and my anger. I hope that there was no physical pain with what I said.

At the same time, I applaud those that DO admit their errors and correct their lives.

NO I dont blame MJ for what happened in my life......I mentioned that I had a real pain with the issues.

Apparently that pain is something that I needed to bring back into my life so I can for once put it behind me.

right now I just can't stop laughing at your bold words. YOU have attacked while you preach about others attacking

BAN me too...............

Dantheman62 · 06-26-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulmate7

Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

Freedom of speech is fine, but you don't need to cut down other members.

burgundia · 06-26-2009, 05:11 PM

I am very surprised that anybody here would hate anybody here or there...
And rejoicing that somebody died? MJ wasn't a serial killer or a ruthless dictator... there are so many more people in this world that did much more harm...
But I am really astonished that hateful people feel well in Avalon and want to stick around...

TruthWillSetUFree · 06-26-2009, 06:15 PM

Wow I walked into a **** storm here.....lighten up everyone!

If you are being 'triggered' by mere words look inside to why that is happening.

Words do not have that effect on me so it's kinda funny to watch.

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel.

Until we have walked in anothers shoes we don't know who they really are anyway. Geeez I don't even fully know who I am yet!

My opinion of MJ is he did have a hard life. He like to hang around with kids because, who wouldn't? kids are awesome. He lived in Neverland what does that say, he had a Peter Pan energy about him that was innocent and kind, although I don't know him and I don't know how his life really was I wish him the very best as a kindred soul who gave us a piece of himself.

The rest, the persona, what the media and the courts fed to us, well whatever, look into your hearts.

Steve_A · 06-26-2009, 07:21 PM

UPDATE:

This is a very fluid moment, I have found out that the doctor treating Jackson has not got a license to work in that State.

He tried to give CPR on a BED, when the proper treatment needs to done on the floor as the floor is hard.

It would be interesting to see if Jacksons body has bruising around the chest cavity area or even broken ribs, which would be consistent with attempts at CPR.

Jackson was highly insured for these gigs in London. He had to have a medical exame for this insurance which tends to play down the back injury he suffered.

As I mentioned earlier, Jackson was already dead when the paramedics arrived to take him away, however the 'doctor' continued to apply CPR all the way to and inside the hospital, in spite of the fact that the ten minutes lapse time passed by well before the paramedics arrived.

Am I smelling a rat here? Was the doctor so bad that it was a case of mal practice? Was there something more sinister going on? After all Jackson was worth more dead than alive.

Could it be that the doctor found Jackson already in an unconcious state? Could it be that Jackson ODed using his own medications?

Post mortem and toxicology results along with peoples behaviour may shed a light on all of this.

When I get more news I will post again.

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Hi Metaphor,

I suspect something, however I have a different take on it than Ian2day on the David Icke forum.

I could be forgiven in thinking that he commited suicide by overdose and when the paramedics found him, he was already in a lightly dead state (beleive it or not but there are states of 'dead').

This time the paramedics couldn't bring him back and he died on the way to the hospital.

Why would he commit suicide? Well I think he suffered from Peter Pan syndrome, wanting to always e a child. This would explain his behaviour with slumber parties and Never Land etc.

I also thought that he could have 'lost his bottle' when it comes to stage appearances. This is very common amongst artists, there's one ex - artist who is writing here that stopped performing because of his age (however didn't suffer from Peter Pan syndrome), so I can totally understand why he cancelled the London gigs this year, as normally you prepare the event before selling the tickets. I think he needed the money and lost his bottle to perform.

All of this together with the fact that he was 50 years of age he must have felt really tired and drained, what with all the negative press, so called friends leaving or sueing him etc. It would have left him feeling old, what Peter Pan syndromers don't want, lonely, isolated and realising everything was coming to an end.

Of course it could just have been a cardiac arrest.... a post mortem will tell.

Best regards,

Steve

waitinginthewings · 06-26-2009, 07:38 PM

Steve_A.......do you think we will actually get the truth, or just spin?

Jack · 06-26-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulmate7

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED!

Karma's a b*tch.

O.k. Heres a few things. This thread was not put together by a person with the intent of having an anti Michael Jackson slander party. He is someones brother, someones son and someones daddy. If someone came on here and started saying sh.t like that about your family or anyone elses for that matter and i would petition to have their ass banned.

Have some respect. If not for yourself then the people on this forum. Free speach is bs. You have no right to talk about another human being like that when you dont know the facts. Its because of this kind of attitude earth isnt even going down the sh.tter its in the tank.

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Ye fan of Michael. I used to go to a concert. I saws, I will repeat that. I'm happy he died and I hope he suffered.

Your a very nice human being.

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I used to be a him like 5 meters distance. I defended him when the first reports of child molesting came in. I thought people were taking advantage of his fortune.
Until the day I saw him hand in hand with his last victim. I can see a lot in the eyes of a person. He was ... horny!

A spiritual person would not say that. And the people who are here to take this world out of the gutter dont want people like you on their team.

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Let's forgive Hitler, Bush, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot. Let's build a statue for Ted Bundy, Henri Kissinger and Marc Dutroux. While we're at it, let's commercialize pedophily. Let's make it a day of forgiveness for all the filth that has happened in the past. This world is ready for this.

We had solid evidence for Hitler, Bush, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot. All they have for Jackson is some poor families trying to find an easy way out of poverty. If you were anyways a spiritual person witch a caring heart you would know that he is innocence. He went through hypnosis into a state where he could not possibly lie and he proved his case when the questions were asked.

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Originally Posted by Soulmate7

Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

Freedom of speach is good. Freedom of infringing on other peoples lives with your negative vibes is not.

If i could push a button id have you banned right now.

Excuse any bad words guys, anyone whos old enough to know whats going on in this world is old enough to hear the odd sh.t word thrown in here and there.

J_rod7 · 06-26-2009, 10:36 PM

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Prophecies and Predictions
by Eduard A. Meier, 1958

32.) And the religions and sects shake in rage because the believers who finally want to utilize the truth run away from them, yet the fiery traps of the religious power plays of the religions and sects grasp after the young people in order to burn them in the flames of religious fanaticism and make them incapable of escape.

33.) So young people want to protect themselves from the lies and false teaching of the religions and sects, as their ghastly rage, with which they gather believers around themselves with lies and deceit, will know no bounds.

34.) Already now, and first properly in the Third Millennium, the human knows deep within himself that he must not utilize religions and sects, rather the effective truth, the Creational truth, as well as the Creational Laws and Directives, yet although he hears the voice of truth in himself, he does not want to hear it, because he will be tormented by religious angst and cannot free himself from his religious or sectarian belief because he expects divine punishment for that, were he to do that.

35.) And if the human seeks the effective truth he will be misled and deceived, because in the Third Millennium, even more than in the Second, there will be innumerable sectarians who ply a lucrative trade with their delusional false teachings and make horrendous profits from them.

41.) The morals of very many people will completely sink, whereby many villages and every city will be a Sodom and Gomorrah as the prostitution of adults and children takes on completely boundless forms.

42.) Many young people will, in every form and manner, deteriorate to extremism in everyday life as well as in their professional life, whereby drug, medication, alcohol and narcotic addiction take the upper hand.

75.) Many children will have no father or mother because they divorced or disappeared unrecognized, because they do not want to be a father or mother or live in a marriage, because the order and tradition of a good and functional family will be lost, as also the laws of marriage will have no more value, as if the human had become wild again.

76.) And as already happens, it will also be that in the future and more and more, fathers will sexually abuse their daughters, young and old pedophiles sexually offend against children, women of every age are raped, shamed and murdered - not seldom in all openness and all over the world as a result of common and ever increasing sex-tourism.

77.) Men will rape men, and women, women, and children go to the highest bidder through their own parents, relatives, or, through child abductors, rented or sold to the highest bidder.

110.) In times to come people will be less and less satisfied with their own bodies, and so they will allow all kinds of operations on themselves in order to be better proportioned and more beautiful, as they themselves imagine, whereby however the entire business damages their health and not seldom leads to mutilations, or even death.

133.) As since time immemorial the Earth human still will not know for a long time into the Third Millennium why he lives and dies, what death means, and reincarnation and birth, because, as since time immemorial, he will wave his arms senselessly, futilely seeking the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, because, as since earliest times, he hangs onto religions and sects that bring him to whimpering like small children.

138.) The truth of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of spirit and teachings of life, will be spread loud and strong and worldwide, yet the Earth human will not hear them, because only few, who pursue reason and understanding, will utilize the great teachings, while all the others want more and more possessions, and indulge in phantasms which they have arranged in their heads, spurred on through bad and false prophets in religious and sectarian matters.

139.) And the time will be long before all this all comes to pass, a long time into the Third Millennium - long, 800 years long, because, first then, the seeds of the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of life, will slowly begin to germinate in the mass of humankind, because they slowly open their eyes and ears, and honestly begin to seek the actual truth.

140.) The humans of the Earth will listen and hear the prophets' teachings, then finally, they will open their eyes to see and learn to understand one another, and each would know that when one person is beaten or injured with words, that the other perceives the pain.

141.) It will be the time when, out of humanity, people become one, and understand that each is a smaller part of the neighbor, and only unity gives strength, and neither skin color, nor belief, rather, only commonality and effective truth regarding Creation and its laws and directives are of significance.

145.) And in distant times it will be that humans talk reasonably and respectfully with one another and they will accept the old messages of the true prophets because their thoughts and feelings will be open for one another, and the consciousness and the psyche will be balanced.

146.) And in distant times it will be that the people will be many times older than they are in today's time in the year 1958, because their age will be hundreds of years.

147.) And in distant times it will be that the people recognize the power of their consciousness and learn the things that the true prophets knew and which were kept hidden as a secret until now, so they will open one door after another and gain monstrous cognitions, knowledge and wisdom about the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, in order therewith to use and develop the powers of their consciousness.

148.) And in distant times it will be that the people finally find their way out of their dark labyrinth and will find sublime life bubbling again like a clear spring.

149.) And in distant times it will be that the people relearn and adopt the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and the extent of its directives and laws, and the teachings of life, and will be knowing, and parents will again raise their children and instruct them in the teachings of truth so that they understand life, dying, death, reincarnation and birth, as well as Earth and the heavens.

150.) And in distant times it will be that the human will become greater in stature and more skillful, and the powers of his consciousness will encompass everything, and he also will possess everything that he wants to have.

151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth.

152.) And in distant times it will be that true love wakes in Earth humans and this will be shared with all, whereby the existence transmutes in an easy time, and long cherished dreams and wishes become reality, while the evolution of the consciousness grasps possession of all people, whereby enters the true end of barbarism.

153.) And in distant times it will be that religious and sectarian belief will no longer be of validity, but rather only the pure truth of Creation and the extent of its laws, whereby the happy days of humankind begin, and the person will find people again, and recognize and honor them as equals.

http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm

Truth must come before Peace

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J_rod7 · 06-26-2009, 11:23 PM

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The post of the "Prophecies and Predictions" was made as I searched for supporting writings for Reincarnation.

I became "sidetracked" by the power of these words written by Billy. This was extracted from an original letter which he wrote to all the Governments on Earth in 1958. As I was reading, I was struck by the profound insights into future events which he wrote 51-years ago. He gave precise dates for Space exploration dates, for the advent of the Internet, for the Wars in Iraq - even naming Bush & son as lead-perpetrators, and much more - about things not even "on the horizon" in 1958. Truly, an amazing piece, which you all are encouraged to read in full context.

Well, to finish with my original thoughts: Everyone of us WILL REINCARNATE INTO NEW LIVES. We all have already passed through many countless lives in "the past," and we will all live many more lives again "in the future" on this Earth. The condition we leave the Earth in from THIS life will be shaped by the decisions we all make NOW, and will become the Earth of our "future" lives. So, what do we want the Earth to be when we next come back? Turn it in that direction in this life.

Truth must come before Peace

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Tango · 06-27-2009, 12:27 AM

OK.... Back to the subject, The Real Subject... " Michael..."

Got this in email, Lisa Marie Presley; My Space entry...

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=497035326

You did know that Michael Jackson, drank diet Pepsi, which multiplys the
pharmaceuticals... Aspartame; another killer

Trooly,

Tango

J_rod7 · 06-27-2009, 01:55 AM

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Hi Tango,

I just finished reading that letter from Lisa Marie Presley. She does speak from the Heart. Thank you for that link.

What is disturbing, that she says she tried to "save him" from the inevitable path he chose for himself. HE made the choices, knowing 14-years before that it would lead to his death. He WANTED to be done with this life, and used strong painkillers to bring the end upon himself. No one can "save" any other from their chosen path. MJ was in such DEEP psychic / mental anguish, that he was beyond any reasonableness for any other course.

That will be one of many lessons which may move his Spiritual Evolution forward. May his next life be more peaceful, a life of contemplation, that the Spirit may regain strength, that he may yet share a brighter Light.

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Carmen · 06-27-2009, 02:16 AM

Thankyou for posting the Billy Meier prophesies J rod7. They are truly what is happening now. I am focusing on the last part of the prophesies which are full of hope and light.

Love and Light

Carmen

J_rod7 · 06-27-2009, 02:30 AM

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Thank you Carmen,

For you, and for any who may have "missed" this, a repeat of this one small piece:

151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth.

Love and Blessings

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mntruthseeker · 06-27-2009, 02:30 AM

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Doesn't matter now. He's dead.

Unfortunate and it goes to show that no matter how much people idolize other people, the folks they idolize are not immortal or indestructible.

How sad it is that if people do not think as you do .............are wrong. Yes it matters what he did in his life as the world is honoring a sex offender/ pedofile and drug addict............nice guy though cause he was "mind controlled" so it wasnt his fault. You sound brain washed ! and blinded by who knows what. I refuse to shut my eyes to his CRIMES.

OH wait per tango, it wasnt the drugs that killed him, it was the pepsi...........asparagus...........oh most addicts survive on sugar.

Well I want you all to know I am not mentally challanged or retarded

I am a woman that knows where her heart is and it will never be for any one that forces a child to have unwanted sex, Never with anyone that beats a spouse or child. Never with anyone who thinks it is their "given right" to live that sort of life due to their "status" of pop star, athlete, movie star, president or what ever it may be.

Oh and one more thing before I go.............this is not about my life experiences, its about the victims that SUFFER under these selfish people that think they have a right to do what they want.

You Tango and Humble Janitor need to look within yourself to get your priorities turned around and think of someone other than yourself. We all have a right to speak our minds regardless of what you two may think.

I'm sick of listening to you crying over Obama too, he is not who you think he is, he is a murderer of his 3 gay lovers and a crack addict. He is not a citizen and does not deserve to be in power as he is evil. He is trying to destroy our world with the rest of the evilness that have been our past presidents. Some day you will grow up and see this for yourself.

I hope you both wake up and realize it soon. Oh and don't be angry now or you will be playing right into their game.

I feel better now knowing another child has been saved ! Thank you God

Anchor · 06-27-2009, 04:55 AM

6 more posts deleted.

This is not a free speech issue. It is about respect. Since this forum was formed, one of the first rules was no personal attacks, and any posts that do that (or fan the flames of the ensuing flamewar) are subject to modification or removal.

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waitinginthewings · 06-27-2009, 05:05 AM

Who would have thought that the death of a man, whom some seem to despise would have activated such deep emotions...........time to look in the mirror, time for reflection, time for healing the heart.

J_rod7 · 06-27-2009, 05:10 AM

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Minnesota Truthseeker,

Honest pain is not meant to be endured for a lifetime, only for a short time from which we all must eventually be healed.

There is the "old" saying = "Forgive and Forget"

Well, i would rather a "new saying" to state = Forgive YES, Forget NO. This may be better "advice" for Healing and Spiritual Growth.

Be at Peace in your True Heart.

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06-26-2009, 12:26 PM	#51
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital I 've been catching a bit of the news in the last 12 hours, and with that getting to watch the videos with MJ songs and dance. Talented, groundbreaking, Growing up in the detroit area, listening to AM radio as a kid and the Motown sound on a small transistor radio. What a career he had, great songs and the dancing that would keep you in awe. As I got older and started hitting the clubs "Thriller " came out and all the rest. What a time, great memories and the dance floor was always packed. Being an entertainer is a breed apart, the pressures, demands, people taking advantage , drugs, sex and booze. I once had a chance to be in the first MAD MAX film . I'm glad I turned that down as that lifestyle has many downfalls. AS talented as MJ was there were many down sides to his personal life. WE will all get the review of life one day. They said on the news this morning his current income was 13 million a month but he was still spending 30 million a month, very sad indeed. Rest in Peace MJ Thanks for all the memories , the good ones at the peak of your career. May your soul be at peace and the path of light be available to you.

06-26-2009, 02:27 PM	#54
cloud9 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New York Posts: 107	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Well, I'm surprised to see such hard feelings here. I don't condem nor I defend MJ or anybody else, I usually try to see the good en everybody because there's no such a thing as a 100% bad or good people, we all make mistakes big or small in our lifes and we are all learning. It's not the point to talk about extremes as statues and glorification of people who had inflicted suffering unto others. For those who feel MJ or anybody else have done wrong in this world, let's remember that NOTHING touches our soul. Feeling anger, hate, emotional pain, groudge or any "negative" feeling doesn't affect the other person, the only ones affected by it are ourselves. If we feel we hate or can't forgive other human being, so much learning is still need it, it means we really need to work on it. It's very damaging to hold those felings and at the end, it's just a decision we make to live our lives in peace or in pain because it doesn't affect anybody else, just us. Besides, we very easy forget that we make "agreements" in the soul level to have different experiences as part of the learning process, we just don't remember. Last edited by cloud9; 06-26-2009 at 02:45 PM.

06-26-2009, 02:58 PM	#55
Sarahmay Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sedona Arizona Posts: 549	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital I think a lot of people are going to end their incarnations in the next 1.5 years--always a soul choice, and perhaps they don't want to go through the shift. I expect to see more suprising deaths of famous people who are not very old. Michael was a very, very sensitive soul who found life to be extremely painful. He didn't cope particularly well. His androgyny was reflective of the re-emergence of the divine feminine, but it manifested in an unnatural way that made people uncomfortable. He certainly wasn't perfect, but he was both and icon and an archetype. Last edited by Sarahmay; 06-26-2009 at 05:28 PM.

06-26-2009, 03:08 PM	#56
Tango Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: eating dessert in the desert of Arizona Posts: 1,554	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Steve, I respectfully request that this thread be CLEANED UP or REMOVED... I'm sooo sorry to see that mental illness is so active on this site... attacks on other members... Judgements... Disrepect.... Yes... the distractors are doing " What They Do." disgusting in MY EYE... They BLAME others for THEIR lives experience. They've learned Nothing from being here [on Terra] And, 'they' picked their experience before coming here. I guess they are going to be returning, several times. I probably should have sent this to you in a private message... Yes, Congress IS passing Cap N' Tax... Please, Do your duty as assigned...... You Know: " The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life... Attitude, to me, is More Important than the facts. It is more important than the Past, than your education, than Money, than circumstances, than your Failures, Than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more Important than your appearance, giftedness or your skill... It will make or break a company... A chruch... Even your home... The remarkable thing is we have a Choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change Our past... We cannot change the fact that people will act in their certain way. We cannot change the inevitable... The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is OUR attitude... I am CONVINCED that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% How I react to it... And so it is with you... we are all in charge of our attitudes." ~ Charles Swindoll Trooly, Tango Last edited by Tango; 06-27-2009 at 06:42 AM.

06-26-2009, 04:03 PM	#57
Soulmate7 Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 153	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you. P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

06-26-2009, 04:11 PM	#58
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital did you just say some of us were all mentally retarded? OH BOY and I thoght I was bad LOL LOL yep, I must be a victim of "mind control" please forgive me and my anger. I hope that there was no physical pain with what I said. At the same time, I applaud those that DO admit their errors and correct their lives. NO I dont blame MJ for what happened in my life......I mentioned that I had a real pain with the issues. Apparently that pain is something that I needed to bring back into my life so I can for once put it behind me. right now I just can't stop laughing at your bold words. YOU have attacked while you preach about others attacking BAN me too...............

06-26-2009, 05:11 PM	#61
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital I am very surprised that anybody here would hate anybody here or there... And rejoicing that somebody died? MJ wasn't a serial killer or a ruthless dictator... there are so many more people in this world that did much more harm... But I am really astonished that hateful people feel well in Avalon and want to stick around...

06-26-2009, 06:15 PM	#62
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Wow I walked into a **** storm here.....lighten up everyone! If you are being 'triggered' by mere words look inside to why that is happening. Words do not have that effect on me so it's kinda funny to watch. Everyone has the right to feel what they feel. Until we have walked in anothers shoes we don't know who they really are anyway. Geeez I don't even fully know who I am yet! My opinion of MJ is he did have a hard life. He like to hang around with kids because, who wouldn't? kids are awesome. He lived in Neverland what does that say, he had a Peter Pan energy about him that was innocent and kind, although I don't know him and I don't know how his life really was I wish him the very best as a kindred soul who gave us a piece of himself. The rest, the persona, what the media and the courts fed to us, well whatever, look into your hearts.

06-26-2009, 07:38 PM	#64
waitinginthewings Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 1,340	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Steve_A.......do you think we will actually get the truth, or just spin?

06-26-2009, 10:36 PM	#66
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital ***** * * Prophecies and Predictions by Eduard A. Meier, 1958 32.) And the religions and sects shake in rage because the believers who finally want to utilize the truth run away from them, yet the fiery traps of the religious power plays of the religions and sects grasp after the young people in order to burn them in the flames of religious fanaticism and make them incapable of escape. 33.) So young people want to protect themselves from the lies and false teaching of the religions and sects, as their ghastly rage, with which they gather believers around themselves with lies and deceit, will know no bounds. 34.) Already now, and first properly in the Third Millennium, the human knows deep within himself that he must not utilize religions and sects, rather the effective truth, the Creational truth, as well as the Creational Laws and Directives, yet although he hears the voice of truth in himself, he does not want to hear it, because he will be tormented by religious angst and cannot free himself from his religious or sectarian belief because he expects divine punishment for that, were he to do that. 35.) And if the human seeks the effective truth he will be misled and deceived, because in the Third Millennium, even more than in the Second, there will be innumerable sectarians who ply a lucrative trade with their delusional false teachings and make horrendous profits from them. 41.) The morals of very many people will completely sink, whereby many villages and every city will be a Sodom and Gomorrah as the prostitution of adults and children takes on completely boundless forms. 42.) Many young people will, in every form and manner, deteriorate to extremism in everyday life as well as in their professional life, whereby drug, medication, alcohol and narcotic addiction take the upper hand. 75.) Many children will have no father or mother because they divorced or disappeared unrecognized, because they do not want to be a father or mother or live in a marriage, because the order and tradition of a good and functional family will be lost, as also the laws of marriage will have no more value, as if the human had become wild again. 76.) And as already happens, it will also be that in the future and more and more, fathers will sexually abuse their daughters, young and old pedophiles sexually offend against children, women of every age are raped, shamed and murdered - not seldom in all openness and all over the world as a result of common and ever increasing sex-tourism. 77.) Men will rape men, and women, women, and children go to the highest bidder through their own parents, relatives, or, through child abductors, rented or sold to the highest bidder. 110.) In times to come people will be less and less satisfied with their own bodies, and so they will allow all kinds of operations on themselves in order to be better proportioned and more beautiful, as they themselves imagine, whereby however the entire business damages their health and not seldom leads to mutilations, or even death. 133.) As since time immemorial the Earth human still will not know for a long time into the Third Millennium why he lives and dies, what death means, and reincarnation and birth, because, as since time immemorial, he will wave his arms senselessly, futilely seeking the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, because, as since earliest times, he hangs onto religions and sects that bring him to whimpering like small children. 138.) The truth of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of spirit and teachings of life, will be spread loud and strong and worldwide, yet the Earth human will not hear them, because only few, who pursue reason and understanding, will utilize the great teachings, while all the others want more and more possessions, and indulge in phantasms which they have arranged in their heads, spurred on through bad and false prophets in religious and sectarian matters. 139.) And the time will be long before all this all comes to pass, a long time into the Third Millennium - long, 800 years long, because, first then, the seeds of the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of life, will slowly begin to germinate in the mass of humankind, because they slowly open their eyes and ears, and honestly begin to seek the actual truth. 140.) The humans of the Earth will listen and hear the prophets' teachings, then finally, they will open their eyes to see and learn to understand one another, and each would know that when one person is beaten or injured with words, that the other perceives the pain. 141.) It will be the time when, out of humanity, people become one, and understand that each is a smaller part of the neighbor, and only unity gives strength, and neither skin color, nor belief, rather, only commonality and effective truth regarding Creation and its laws and directives are of significance. 145.) And in distant times it will be that humans talk reasonably and respectfully with one another and they will accept the old messages of the true prophets because their thoughts and feelings will be open for one another, and the consciousness and the psyche will be balanced. 146.) And in distant times it will be that the people will be many times older than they are in today's time in the year 1958, because their age will be hundreds of years. 147.) And in distant times it will be that the people recognize the power of their consciousness and learn the things that the true prophets knew and which were kept hidden as a secret until now, so they will open one door after another and gain monstrous cognitions, knowledge and wisdom about the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, in order therewith to use and develop the powers of their consciousness. 148.) And in distant times it will be that the people finally find their way out of their dark labyrinth and will find sublime life bubbling again like a clear spring. 149.) And in distant times it will be that the people relearn and adopt the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and the extent of its directives and laws, and the teachings of life, and will be knowing, and parents will again raise their children and instruct them in the teachings of truth so that they understand life, dying, death, reincarnation and birth, as well as Earth and the heavens. 150.) And in distant times it will be that the human will become greater in stature and more skillful, and the powers of his consciousness will encompass everything, and he also will possess everything that he wants to have. 151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth. 152.) And in distant times it will be that true love wakes in Earth humans and this will be shared with all, whereby the existence transmutes in an easy time, and long cherished dreams and wishes become reality, while the evolution of the consciousness grasps possession of all people, whereby enters the true end of barbarism. 153.) And in distant times it will be that religious and sectarian belief will no longer be of validity, but rather only the pure truth of Creation and the extent of its laws, whereby the happy days of humankind begin, and the person will find people again, and recognize and honor them as equals. http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm Truth must come before Peace * * ***** Last edited by J_rod7; 06-26-2009 at 10:59 PM.

06-26-2009, 11:23 PM	#67
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital ***** * * The post of the "Prophecies and Predictions" was made as I searched for supporting writings for Reincarnation. I became "sidetracked" by the power of these words written by Billy. This was extracted from an original letter which he wrote to all the Governments on Earth in 1958. As I was reading, I was struck by the profound insights into future events which he wrote 51-years ago. He gave precise dates for Space exploration dates, for the advent of the Internet, for the Wars in Iraq - even naming Bush & son as lead-perpetrators, and much more - about things not even "on the horizon" in 1958. Truly, an amazing piece, which you all are encouraged to read in full context. Well, to finish with my original thoughts: Everyone of us WILL REINCARNATE INTO NEW LIVES. We all have already passed through many countless lives in "the past," and we will all live many more lives again "in the future" on this Earth. The condition we leave the Earth in from THIS life will be shaped by the decisions we all make NOW, and will become the Earth of our "future" lives. So, what do we want the Earth to be when we next come back? Turn it in that direction in this life. Truth must come before Peace * * *****

06-27-2009, 12:27 AM	#68
Tango Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: eating dessert in the desert of Arizona Posts: 1,554	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital OK.... Back to the subject, The Real Subject... " Michael..." Got this in email, Lisa Marie Presley; My Space entry... http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=497035326 You did know that Michael Jackson, drank diet Pepsi, which multiplys the pharmaceuticals... Aspartame; another killer Trooly, Tango

06-27-2009, 01:55 AM	#69
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital ***** * * Hi Tango, I just finished reading that letter from Lisa Marie Presley. She does speak from the Heart. Thank you for that link. What is disturbing, that she says she tried to "save him" from the inevitable path he chose for himself. HE made the choices, knowing 14-years before that it would lead to his death. He WANTED to be done with this life, and used strong painkillers to bring the end upon himself. No one can "save" any other from their chosen path. MJ was in such DEEP psychic / mental anguish, that he was beyond any reasonableness for any other course. That will be one of many lessons which may move his Spiritual Evolution forward. May his next life be more peaceful, a life of contemplation, that the Spirit may regain strength, that he may yet share a brighter Light. * * *****

06-27-2009, 02:16 AM	#70
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Thankyou for posting the Billy Meier prophesies J rod7. They are truly what is happening now. I am focusing on the last part of the prophesies which are full of hope and light. Love and Light Carmen

06-27-2009, 02:30 AM	#71
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital ***** * * Thank you Carmen, For you, and for any who may have "missed" this, a repeat of this one small piece: 151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth. Love and Blessings * * *****

06-27-2009, 04:55 AM	#73
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital 6 more posts deleted. This is not a free speech issue. It is about respect. Since this forum was formed, one of the first rules was no personal attacks, and any posts that do that (or fan the flames of the ensuing flamewar) are subject to modification or removal. A.. Last edited by Anchor; 06-27-2009 at 05:09 AM.

06-27-2009, 05:05 AM	#74
waitinginthewings Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 1,340	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital Who would have thought that the death of a man, whom some seem to despise would have activated such deep emotions...........time to look in the mirror, time for reflection, time for healing the heart.

06-27-2009, 05:10 AM	#75
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital ***** * * Minnesota Truthseeker, Honest pain is not meant to be endured for a lifetime, only for a short time from which we all must eventually be healed. There is the "old" saying = "*Forgive and Forget" Well, i would rather a "new saying" to state = Forgive YES, Forget NO. This may be better "advice" for Healing and Spiritual Growth. Be at Peace in your True Heart.* * * *****