Money of the Future - and how we can implement it - interesting proposal

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

just read this intriguing article by Charles Eisenstein (Reality Sandwich; Daniel Pinchbeck) ... Im no financial or economic expert, but there seems to be some substance to this...and it may not be overly idealistic....

"The Money of the Future...And how to implement it right now

The purpose of this currency is to be, initially, complementary to standard national currencies and eventually, in the event of economic meltdown, a replacement for them. Its design emphasizes the following features:
1. It can be implemented right now as an electronic currency, with modest programming resources. We don't need to sit around hoping for change. We can do this right now; and in fact, this currency will promote change.
2. It reverses the destructive characteristics of ordinary currency that foster polarization of wealth, greed, scarcity, and short-term thinking.
3. Its mechanics of issuance promotes positive trends in the larger economy (toward sustainability, fair trade, etc.)
4. It is a fully-backed, non-inflationary currency, and the money supply is self-regulating.
5. It has an organic built-in imperative to spread. Users have a strong incentive to bring in other users and businesses. ...."
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/newmoney.php

Aside from this, Eisenstein seem to be a pretty sincere guy, allowing "pay what you want or dont" payments for the book he spent 10 years writing, "The Ascent Of Humanity"

Maybe this will inspire support, I would certainly buy into it if there were a critical mass of support for this. Is this too unrealistic, or is this worth getting behind?

[doodah]

Bummer. My vision of the future does not have money in it at all, and as I read about higher dimensional beings, they don't use money either. There's no point to money. It's supposed to be a medium of exchange, but you know the golden rule: who controls the gold makes the rules. As long as there is lust for power, money is a bad idea.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by doodah

Bummer. My vision of the future does not have money in it at all, and as I read about higher dimensional beings, they don't use money either. There's no point to money. It's supposed to be a medium of exchange, but you know the golden rule: who controls the gold makes the rules. As long as there is lust for power, money is a bad idea.

If I recall correctly, Adam was punished by God and made to work for survival.

Perhaps the punishment will end someday.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Barter will be a major source of trading. Service to others will go along way. Take care of your families and friends and I'm sure we will be amazed how well we can all pull together as a team!

Interesting read...im taking a look now, thanks.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Im not sure I understand either of your points. Are you guys both implying that theres no point in considering real 3-dimensional solutions to 3 dimansional problems? This IS the economy and currency forum, right?

Look guys, Im all for phase-shifting into a 4th or 5th dimensional light body and manifesting my reality instantly through conscious co-creation (not being sarcastic), but personally Im not planning on lying down in a field until we cross the Galactic Center. I gotta eat, and while we're here, maybe we can discuss possible short term solutions to what pretty much everyone agrees is some form of short term major global economic problem.


In any case, no disrespect intended, thanks for your replies.

Although money is not required in higher civilizations due to the overwhelming unconditional love, we have a long way to get to that point. If we can find a way to integrate a money system that does not require interest on top of the currecy distribution, this may help.

Right now, our money system is developed to create debt to keep people working towards a downward spiral. Also, there is too much difficulty in finding work due to lack of trust. Many people also can't get work experience due to the fact that jobs require it. So that leaves out the average person trying to find a way to make money unless you love retail.

If you take out the competition, and equalize the distribution where there aren't different classes lower, middle or higher, you can distribute money to families to feed their children.

Keep in mind, I am no business expert. But if I were to create a new system it would involve a community localized government that would distribute money to each person or family for neccesities. I would also make it very easy for someone to get a job by allowing them to enter a paid training program in each category of interest. Everyone would get one wage that would be very fair to cover all expenses.

But of course, I like my other scenario:

Housing would be free and built by the community. No more rent or house payments. Free energy technology would eliminate power bills. Free energy cars or teleportation devices would elimiate dependency on oil or transportation expenses all together.

Biodomes for growing food would be integrated to families and single people, which would also be free.

That is my broad view on a future society. Of course, all greedy people and self service people would have to go elsewhere for these types of systems to work. Of course, if you eliminate the competetion for survival, the stress factor would not be there. That could make people happy.

But to get back to the question? There are some things that could be done to make things easier. But having a Federal Reserve owned by a few people is not the answer. It just takes good leaders and good government and good people. And the way things are going now, that is hard to do
when the Darkside is running things.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

Im not sure I understand either of your points. Are you guys both implying that theres no point in considering real 3-dimensional solutions to 3 dimansional problems? This IS the economy and currency forum, right?

The time for a 3 dimensional solution to this 3 dimensional problem was 20 years ago.

[doodah]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

Im not sure I understand either of your points. Are you guys both implying that theres no point in considering real 3-dimensional solutions to 3 dimansional problems? This IS the economy and currency forum, right?

Look guys, Im all for phase-shifting into a 4th or 5th dimensional light body and manifesting my reality instantly through conscious co-creation (not being sarcastic), but personally Im not planning on lying down in a field until we cross the Galactic Center. I gotta eat, and while we're here, maybe we can discuss possible short term solutions to what pretty much everyone agrees is some form of short term major global economic problem.

In any case, no disrespect intended, thanks for your replies.

Sorry. I apologize. I didn't realize I was in the Economy and Currency forum. I have a tendency to take far leaps, while I see that you are seriously working upclose on transitional measures. I have no ideas on this subject other than I prefer to live by barter, and do so at every opportunity in my own life. If we must continue having money, please come up with an equitable solution, is all I ask!

Peace, and no disrespect intended, either.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Doodah..much respect.

I'm with you guys 100% on bartering, but like you said, this is simply a transitional idea. It doesnt seem feasible for everyone to switch over to the barter system , not while a lot of people have money tied up in 401k's mortgages, credit card debt, etc. Ive been preparing for a full US econonmy crash, but something like the Terra idea might be a little buffer from an all-out Black Friday scenario.

Thanks for your respect, I love this forum more and more.

"Create your community. Be good to each other. And do not look outside yourself for the leader. This could be a good time! "......."At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally. Least of all, ourselves". .."The time of the lone wolf is over."
—The Elders Oraibi
Arizona Hopi Nation

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

getting from A to B...another transitional idea....

My girlfriend and I are just finishing up remodeling a tiny little place where we are opening a bookstore.

We hope to carry some alternative information, as well as a reference section; (organic gardening, medicinal plants etc). Our idea is to identify a few local causes(afterschool programs for local kids, buying biodegradable bags for all the stores in town, cleaning up the park, paying for a lifeguard on the beach, picking up litter on the road, etc), and list them on a specially printed receipt, with checkboxes by each one. when they purchase an item in the store, the customer would check the local cause that appealed to them.

We would then take 25% of the profit from each sale and put it into a fund for each cause, as per each customers wishes.
The idea is that maybe it can would get the customers more involved and conscious about the causes, more than just ..."oh well 20% goes to some charity"

With most charities (as most of you probably know), 80% goes to administrative and never reaches the actual intended recipients.

Anyway, thats the idea. We'll see if it works or if its just a dismal failure, but I have a gut feeling that even the sheeple are starting to sense that its time for a spiritual overhaul.

[doodah]

Hi, I'm back again. I was curious to see what has transpired here. I like your civic ideas a lot and hope once you start it, they will catch on and other merchants will pick them up. I hope you get lots of news coverage about this, too, as nothing helps put the idea before the public eye like TV. It warms my heart to see TV used to promote good -- using their own tool for a different purpose!

I had a few thoughts/questions.

1. You say you're not gonna lie down in a field until we cross galactic center. I, however, am headed to the field and plan to stay there, not lying down, but growing food. So ... is this, sort of, divergence in thinking a result of location? I already live in the country. Do you live in a town or city?

2. Is money a more urgent issue in cities? I'm almost beginning to think so. Because out in the country people have stuff to barter, real stuff, like eggs or horsepower.

3. I'm wondering if money originated in cities because of the above, but the system spread out to encompass even the people who didn't need it, ie, those living in the country.

4. In my vision of the future, all large urban areas are disbanded and the population redistributed across the continents. The reason for this is many-fold. Cities are not sustainable in the face of any kind of emergency or lack. They become traps. They are also drains on energy and resources, and are pollution centers in our modern world. Because people have left the countryside, usually because of money, a vacuum was created whereby Corporate farming moved in. And now, especially people in cities are the victims of GM foods, pesticides, and pollution created to move all that food into the cities. [Actually, I believe this has been a deliberate plan, but that's another thread.] All the rest of us are also the victims of that, but people in the country have the best chance of providing alternatives for themselves.

5. Some communities are using their own local money, which I think is a good idea because it has locally-assigned value. More decentralization. Good.

6. Globalization was a very bad idea. Everything is so spread out and interconnected now -- but dependent upon fossil fuels to reconnect the parts, such as getting overseas products to stores worldwide, or those bananas into supermarkets in Canada in midwinter -- that it can all come crashing down at once, as a unit. Globalization has weakened us rather than strengthened us. This can only have been a deliberate plan, but that is also another thread.

7. Money invested ... too bad so many are invested in the stock market and such. Apparently this was the same scenario before the big crash in the early 20th century - people got a little prosperous then got greedy and were lured into the stock market, which is not a free market but a controlled form of gambling. Researchers say The Crash was a deliberate and manipulated event, but here we are again today. Nobody really learned the lesson because most people really didn't know the truth. Most still don't.

I think most of this is at least vaguely related to ideas about money, so I hope it isn't offensive to have this here. If so, I will apologize again!

Best wishes to you in your bookstore endeavor.

[andromeda]

[QUOTE=doodah;12333]Hi, I'm back again. I was curious to see what has transpired here. I like your civic ideas a lot and hope once you start it, they will catch on and other merchants will pick them up. I hope you get lots of news coverage about this, too, as nothing helps put the idea before the public eye like TV. It warms my heart to see TV used to promote good -- using their own tool for a different purpose!

I agree with you, bartering is the only way ahead. In England there are already barter clubs, they don't work that well yet but at least they have got going. In cities there is the problem were to find food but I have been making an experiment on how to grow food on small spaces.

My vision is vertical farming as there is no enough cultivable land for the whole of the population.

I think that the model that we can consider in this moment is what the cubans did when they run out of money...and gas (petrol). They survived by planting food everywhere, balconies, parks, any place...

Similar but not so efficient was what happened in Argentina and their barter clubs.

Skills can be bartered too for example, if you know how to fix things or heal etc.

Money only creates discrimination...we are all one, lets barter!
Love and light

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by doodah

1. You say you're not gonna lie down in a field until we cross galactic center. I, however, am headed to the field and plan to stay there, not lying down, but growing food. So ... is this, sort of, divergence in thinking a result of location? I already live in the country. Do you live in a town or city?

its a little village. The transitional currency idea is more of a big-picture concept, rather than for me personally. I have skills with which to barter with, but my original post was more geared to the large groups of people that will be awakening shortly with very little "barter-able" skills , people who would need some reasonably familiar process to "adjust" or "re-align" their lifestyles. I really dont buy into the "us and them" concept of ascension. I believe its going to be pretty much everyone, or not at all. Im sure you all agree that it takes a critical mass to precipitate change(Lynne McTaggert's "Intention Experiment", David Wilcock's "Science of Peace"), and if we get into a sort of "well everyone else is on their own" philosophy, I dont think that neccesarily is in line with the "service - to - others" path.

Originally Posted by doodah

2. Is money a more urgent issue in cities? I'm almost beginning to think so. Because out in the country people have stuff to barter, real stuff, like eggs or horsepower.

I think thats exactly it, a lot of people dont have the good fortune of either having a farm to be self-sustainable on, or even beginning to form a barter-able skill. As Im sure all of us on Avalon have experienced firsthand, the shock and awe method of enlightening sheeple definitely DOES NOT work.

Originally Posted by doodah

3. I'm wondering if money originated in cities because of the above, but the system spread out to encompass even the people who didn't need it, ie, those living in the country.

its all about resources I think.

Originally Posted by doodah

4. In my vision of the future, all large urban areas are disbanded and the population redistributed across the continents. The reason for this is many-fold. Cities are not sustainable in the face of any kind of emergency or lack. They become traps. They are also drains on energy and resources, and are pollution centers in our modern world. Because people have left the countryside, usually because of money, a vacuum was created whereby Corporate farming moved in. And now, especially people in cities are the victims of GM foods, pesticides, and pollution created to move all that food into the cities. [Actually, I believe this has been a deliberate plan, but that's another thread.] All the rest of us are also the victims of that, but people in the country have the best chance of providing alternatives for themselves.

Totally 100% agree. And I we are aligned as to whether it has been deliberate or not. But the problem remains: Millions of innocent souls that maybe caught unaware.

Originally Posted by doodah

5. Some communities are using their own local money, which I think is a good idea because it has locally-assigned value. More decentralization. Good.

I hope we can do this in our little village too, incredible idea.

Originally Posted by doodah

Best wishes to you in your bookstore endeavor.

thank you man. Best to you and yours as well.

[doodah]

[QUOTE=andromeda;

I have been making an experiment on how to grow food on small spaces. My vision is vertical farming as there is not enough cultivable land for the whole of the population.

[COLOR="Yellow"]Yes. Absolutely doable if there is enough water. I was in Tokyo back in the 60s before it got all modernized. I marveled at how green the city was. Every balcony had something green on it. It was beautiful, but I don't think it's like that now. They, too, forgot. [/COLOR]

I think that the model that we can consider in this moment is what the cubans did when they run out of money...and gas (petrol). They survived by planting food everywhere, balconies, parks, any place...

Yes! You're in the UK, so I don't know how towns operate there. My vision for here is a locally-engineered program of just this, with local education and local help. Each town could begin this on their own. As food prices rise, perhaps more of the older people will remember when every home had a backyard garden. Every home. And many had chopping blocks for taking the heads off of chickens. Every home had a rain barrel at least.

Skills can be bartered too for example, if you know how to fix things or heal etc.

True, very true. I've bartered with my dentist and my lawyer. Everything can be bartered.

I keep thinking that people do not need money. They will work if you give them the things they need in return ... food, a place to live, medical care. It could all be money-less. Because what do we do with the money we earn? Buy food, a place to live, medical care! The money is in there for making people rich and creating power blocs. I'm not sure where that idea comes from ...

[doodah]

[QUOTE=Cymatic Veilbegone;12926]its a little village.

The transitional currency idea is more of a big-picture concept. My original post was more geared to the large groups of people that will be awakening shortly with very little "barter-able" skills , people who would need some reasonably familiar process to "adjust" or "re-align" their lifestyles.

It looks like that "shortly" is coming pretty quick. The big guys have plans of their own for what will come next, monetarily. I'm not sure I know what that plan is, other than banks closing. If that happens, the quickest thing to turn to is barter, because that's in our control.

I really dont buy into the "us and them" concept of ascension. I believe its going to be pretty much everyone, or not at all. Im sure you all agree that it takes a critical mass to precipitate change...and if we get into a sort of "well everyone else is on their own" philosophy, I dont think that neccesarily is in line with the "service - to - others" path.

Michael St. Clair, and others, talk about a huge electromagnetic impact on this planet and all life forms on it as we move toward galactic center. While for some this energy influx will lead to positive mental and psychological change, for many who are not awake and who resist awakening, this can lead to negative change. He says communities can be existing side by side with people who have literally gone insane as a response to this energetic influx. If that is true, there is only so much that service-to-others can do. Yes, help the distressed, depressed, suicidal ones if you can; and do what is necessary about the violent ones. I don't know the answers to this, how to handle this scenario.

I don't believe it is us v. them either, but I do believe it is, at least partially, a choice, and some are preparing now for that electromagnetic influx, developing a positive orientation toward all this.

You want people to wake up and be prepared ... but so many threads here talk about the difficulty of waking people up. Nobody knows, including Michael, what will really happen.

Again, sorry to not be discussing a transitional way to handle the money thing. I see local effects and what local people can do to help themselves entirely outside of a larger monetary system.

[Northboy]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

just read this intriguing article by Charles Eisenstein (Reality Sandwich; Daniel Pinchbeck) ... Im no financial or economic expert, but there seems to be some substance to this...and it may not be overly idealistic....

"The Money of the Future...And how to implement it right now

The purpose of this currency is to be, initially, complementary to standard national currencies and eventually, in the event of economic meltdown, a replacement for them. Its design emphasizes the following features:
1. It can be implemented right now as an electronic currency, with modest programming resources. We don't need to sit around hoping for change. We can do this right now; and in fact, this currency will promote change.
2. It reverses the destructive characteristics of ordinary currency that foster polarization of wealth, greed, scarcity, and short-term thinking.
3. Its mechanics of issuance promotes positive trends in the larger economy (toward sustainability, fair trade, etc.)
4. It is a fully-backed, non-inflationary currency, and the money supply is self-regulating.
5. It has an organic built-in imperative to spread. Users have a strong incentive to bring in other users and businesses. ...."
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/newmoney.php

Aside from this, Eisenstein seem to be a pretty sincere guy, allowing "pay what you want or dont" payments for the book he spent 10 years writing, "The Ascent Of Humanity"

Maybe this will inspire support, I would certainly buy into it if there were a critical mass of support for this. Is this too unrealistic, or is this worth getting behind?

LETS systems may also be a solution.

This system , which has been deployed around the world, creates a bill of exchange or promise to pay between to parties, similiar to barter, but has a registry to keep track of transactions and who has promised what. There is a website somewhere where the whole system, including operating manuals, can be downloaded. This may be worth looking at as a transitional position as it makes each participant responsible for their commitments and weeds out those who don't.

[Northboy]

[QUOTE=doodah;12998]

Originally Posted by Cymatic Veilbegone

its a little village.

The transitional currency idea is more of a big-picture concept. My original post was more geared to the large groups of people that will be awakening shortly with very little "barter-able" skills , people who would need some reasonably familiar process to "adjust" or "re-align" their lifestyles.

It looks like that "shortly" is coming pretty quick. The big guys have plans of their own for what will come next, monetarily. I'm not sure I know what that plan is, other than banks closing. If that happens, the quickest thing to turn to is barter, because that's in our control.

I really dont buy into the "us and them" concept of ascension. I believe its going to be pretty much everyone, or not at all. Im sure you all agree that it takes a critical mass to precipitate change...and if we get into a sort of "well everyone else is on their own" philosophy, I dont think that neccesarily is in line with the "service - to - others" path.

Michael St. Clair, and others, talk about a huge electromagnetic impact on this planet and all life forms on it as we move toward galactic center. While for some this energy influx will lead to positive mental and psychological change, for many who are not awake and who resist awakening, this can lead to negative change. He says communities can be existing side by side with people who have literally gone insane as a response to this energetic influx. If that is true, there is only so much that service-to-others can do. Yes, help the distressed, depressed, suicidal ones if you can; and do what is necessary about the violent ones. I don't know the answers to this, how to handle this scenario.

I don't believe it is us v. them either, but I do believe it is, at least partially, a choice, and some are preparing now for that electromagnetic influx, developing a positive orientation toward all this.

You want people to wake up and be prepared ... but so many threads here talk about the difficulty of waking people up. Nobody knows, including Michael, what will really happen.

Again, sorry to not be discussing a transitional way to handle the money thing. I see local effects and what local people can do to help themselves entirely outside of a larger monetary system.

Great post.

I've always been drawn to understand that with the spiritual rising that ww are experiencing, there would also be a comparative "blood" rising, a thought that you have so well articulated above.

[doodah]

[QUOTE=Northboy

LETS systems may also be a solution.

This system , which has been deployed around the world, creates a bill of exchange or promise to pay between to parties, similiar to barter, but has a registry to keep track of transactions and who has promised what. There is a website somewhere where the whole system, including operating manuals, can be downloaded. This may be worth looking at as a transitional position as it makes each participant responsible for their commitments and weeds out those who don't.[/QUOTE]

This sounds good, a way of keeping the barter system fair and avoiding arguments and people forgetting. Where has this system been deployed, as you say? Is it in your area?

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Originally Posted by doodah

It looks like that "shortly" is coming pretty quick. The big guys have plans of their own for what will come next, monetarily. I'm not sure I know what that plan is, other than banks closing. If that happens, the quickest thing to turn to is barter, because that's in our control.

I really dont buy into the "us and them" concept of ascension. I believe its going to be pretty much everyone, or not at all. Im sure you all agree that it takes a critical mass to precipitate change...and if we get into a sort of "well everyone else is on their own" philosophy, I dont think that neccesarily is in line with the "service - to - others" path.

Michael St. Clair, and others, talk about a huge electromagnetic impact on this planet and all life forms on it as we move toward galactic center. While for some this energy influx will lead to positive mental and psychological change, for many who are not awake and who resist awakening, this can lead to negative change. He says communities can be existing side by side with people who have literally gone insane as a response to this energetic influx. If that is true, there is only so much that service-to-others can do. Yes, help the distressed, depressed, suicidal ones if you can; and do what is necessary about the violent ones. I don't know the answers to this, how to handle this scenario.

I don't believe it is us v. them either, but I do believe it is, at least partially, a choice, and some are preparing now for that electromagnetic influx, developing a positive orientation toward all this.

You want people to wake up and be prepared ... but so many threads here talk about the difficulty of waking people up. Nobody knows, including Michael, what will really happen.

Again, sorry to not be discussing a transitional way to handle the money thing. I see local effects and what local people can do to help themselves entirely outside of a larger monetary system.

I agree. Excellent post! So we arrive at what really boils down to an intuitive sense of "service to others", not an absolute sense, which I personally feel comfortable with. I was actually just thinking about the "Law of Allowance" and how that might play into this. Thanks very much for the intelligent positive discussion.

[Northboy]

Originally Posted by doodah

This sounds good, a way of keeping the barter system fair and avoiding arguments and people forgetting. Where has this system been deployed, as you say? Is it in your area?

http://www.gmlets.u-net.com/

It was designed by a group on Vancouver Island in response to an economic downturn in the resource industries.( Canadians have had to learn a little about reinventing themselves economy wise over the last generation).

Places in the UK and AUS have built systems. Its public domain, or close to it I believe. It would work, especially in conjunction with village market concepts.

[doodah]

I just had a vision, in regard to my own statement "do what is necessary about the violent ones."

Did anyone ever see the movie, "The Weeping Camel"? It's an amazing film shot in Mongolia, a real-time story of a brown camel that has a white calf. It rejects the calf, won't nurse it. The poor little guy keeps trying to get his mother to take care of him, but she keeps walking off and rejecting him.

The villagers call for a shaman. He arrives with a chair and a musical instrument. Over the course of an afternoon he plays this instrument and chants, and a woman in the village pets and sings to the camel. The instrument is very unusual. The sounds it makes are very similar to the sounds the camel makes. By the end of the day, all the tension and discord is gone from the animal, the little white calf is happily nursing, and the brown camel is crying.

My vision had to do with some of the indigo children being able to do something similar with these negatively-influenced people.

Wow. Let's hope it is so.

[doodah]

Originally Posted by Northboy

http://www.gmlets.u-net.com/

It was designed by a group on Vancouver Island in response to an economic downturn in the resource industries.( Canadians have had to learn a little about reinventing themselves economy wise over the last generation).

Places in the UK and AUS have built systems. Its public domain, or close to it I believe. It would work, especially in conjunction with village market concepts.

Thanks, Northboy. I'll take a look.

[Northboy]

Originally Posted by doodah

Thanks, Northboy. I'll take a look.

Your Welcome

We don't have to reinvent the wheel if the solution is sitting on a shelf somewhere gathering dust.

[martian31v]

quote=Northboy

LETS systems may also be a solution.

This system , which has been deployed around the world, creates a bill of exchange or promise to pay between to parties, similiar to barter, but has a registry to keep track of transactions and who has promised what. There is a website somewhere where the whole system, including operating manuals, can be downloaded. This may be worth looking at as a transitional position as it makes each participant responsible for their commitments and weeds out those who don't.[/QUOTE]

this is the best solution ive come across. not only for a transitional currency, but a future global currency as well. it really deserves its own thread. i'll try to get as many links as possible. lets try to get some LETS system momentum.

[Waterman]

Has anyone read "The Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"?