Preparations and Planning n Living in Communities

Force4 · 12-09-2008, 03:33 PM

Hi there everyone!

i've noticed that a lot of people have been posting books and opinions on what is best for survival and that really bothers me. I've been watching and reading for some time now and have some concern on the information being given out, first i want to make something very clear and that is SOME OF THE MATERIAL that is being given out is both inadequate and dangerously misleading; for example there is a link to a site regarding steps to take to ensure your safety in event of a nuclear war.

This info is not simply woefully inadequate, it is positively lethal misinformation! The drawings and content indicate early American “Duck and Cover” era platitudes issued to the American people because the powers that be didn’t want to tell them that in reality they were going to burn, and those that didn’t burn were going to melt slowly.

Having read some very sensitive documents the public will never see [even though these were themselves out of date when I saw them,] – I can guarantee that making a bunker under your kitchen table wont help you, neither will a blanket…I suppose to a certain extent it would make the clean up a bit easier for the authorities by keeping the ash and most of the runny bits in one place for collection - if any authorities survive,[doubtful]

You – and am using the “Royal “ you here, should by now be well aware that the powers that be aim their primary efforts and keeping people placid and obedient; sit in the corner, put a blanket over your head and don’t be a nuisance - from their perspective, that’s all this stuff is for – its to make you feel you’re doing something so you don’t make a nuisance of yourself.

Also, the whole idea that everyone who reads this can stock pile 'stuff’ and hide in their house in case of catastrophe is just PURE fallacy!

WHY?
Pick a city – lets say London. Have a good look at it. Some bits are on top of hills, others are in valleys. There are an awful lot of tall buildings. Imagine London 24 hours after a catastrophe.. these no power, so the water is no longer being pumped to the houses and the sewage is no longer being pumped away. Result? Given the number of people, within 24 hours you will be up to your neck in poo, with no heat, no light and no water to drink. How many people live in London? Do you think you will be able to hold on to ANYTHNG useful, drinkable or edible? They will be eating each other, and you as well in 48 hours.

The same is true of all cities, towns and even many villages, but if you think people are going to stay there indefinitely you are wrong. Even the nastiest of people are not keen on paddling in poo with nothing to eat or drink. They are going to start moving – looking for food, resources, shelter etc.and I doubt that they will be polite.

What they find they will take, so you have to contend with a deranged government trying to herd you up and feed you to the reptiles or imprison you for a little snak later and the rest of you r fellow humans.

This applies to all or most of the situations that have been mentioned in this forum. From Earth changes, to civil containment - civil rioting, flooding scenarios to that horrendous scenario of marshal law and (well you all have posted your opinions or have read the posts with all possible scenarios etc) but the point is I'm getting the impression that this whole stocking up strategy works. But you've got to understand that some of you people who are giving all this 'nice' information out is that if YOU know where there is / was a supply of food or drinkable water [believe me, what is in bottles is not going to last very long] other people will know too and some of them wont be as polite.

No one is going to come down from the skies to rescue you, Do you know why? Because we are not responsible as a species. We have not grown up enough yet to take responsibility for our own actions so now its kill or cure time. We will either mature or we wont survive.

Think about it! So many people both preaching sweetness and light – believe everything is wonderful – believe the great and marvelous ascended ones will come rescue us and they will. Not happening! Similarly rescue by andromedan, pleidian etc. Children don’t learn about matches till they burn themselves; the whole point of unconditional love is to allow that to happen – love them enough to let them learn their own lessons and then when [if] they survive they will grow up and find their own way. We have to do it for ourselves or not at all!

IF we pull or fingers out and start taking responsibility they just might take care of the elements that are here from other places, but that is about it until we grow up.

I thought this place was about making a community/communities and becoming more self aware – small, self sufficient communities / groups with a high vibrational level that raises the local energy gradient, pooling their skills and knowledge is the way to go forward. You need communities set up in specific areas with the right mix of skills and knowledge.

TO fight or resist the possible scenarios is not possible, but small self sufficient communities , with the right mix of people can raise the energy gradient locally to the point where these elements will not be ABLE to find you, but do not give up on the technology we have so easily – I don’t much like dentists but dentists without anesthetic or electric drills are a complete nono as far as im concerned.

I've seen some posts which talk about drying fruit n preserving stuff and its all good... i'm making it clear that its all great that you can do that BUT FOR YOUR SAKE, YOUR FAMILIES SAKE OR GODS SAKE PLEASE goddamit come up with something which actually improves your way of life or at least helps sustain some bit of what you enjoy! I don’t want to have the consolation of eating dried fruit n treating myself to a tin of whatever was preserved some weeks ago....er no - i'd much rather spend my time learning on how to sustain my life and how i could actually improve upon it given the exceptional circumstances that are being presented

THINK people THINK ! Don’t go backwards because its easy... yeah you can just sit on your biddy and just go back to the days of yore and 'learn' to live without electricity but for those people i say LOOK at what you are using, LISTEN to what your saying !!!!!!! what are you using now? do you think your computer is useful? do you like the car you drive, the cooker you use or the type of food you eat? what about electricity ------->

is it just ok to use it for all its worth or that you can afford and when the lights go out you can just say oh well i was prepared as i've been learning to live without woopie dooo.... sorry but i just cant do that and i'm not willing to go back to the 1800's -------> too many people have bled and died to get us to where we are and to enjoy the fruits of their struggle and sacrifice, i see some people with pics of Nikola Tesla and pictures of pyramids and other nice n wacky things which honestly i truly don’t understand but i do know that without tesla we may as well be back in the 1800's and good god some of you may think its the easy life and the pipe dream but i seriously ask, are you for real that your willing to let all this slip? i'm trying to not use the sentence "advances in our civilization" but its what we got and its what we have at the moment, its so goddamn easy to go backwards back to the days of wood all that **** but when you really think about YOURSELF and ask yourself how independant are you...

it really starts to be a tough question because most adults would say hey i'm independant and you cant tell me what to do blah blah blah, but I too go to the super market and i too cook my own food and make my own bed and drive my own car, but i have to have someone at the supermarket to sell me this stuff, i have to go to the petrol/gas station to fill my motor up and i enjoy playing on my laptop or working with it, but NOT once has anyone said WHERE DOES IT ALL COME FROM and HOW CAN I BUILD UPON MY KNOWLEDGE SO I CAN DO IT TOO?

now people are going to perceive this as a 'negative' post and some will say we must shed ourselves of this false existence and cover ourselves with poo and go back to the age of face paint and war sticks (lol ok joke) but the point is I think we first must consider the essentials of LIVING and not surviving, oh and this brings me to another point. ALL those Army GI JOE manuals are rubbish, mostly because they 'deal with the situation with what you got' kind of strategy which was based upon being in a conflict or behind enemy lines...also those manuals were designed for men who have been trained to kill, have armoured and or air/ground support in the same theatre or battle and oh did i mention forward command bases, extra buddies who also have the same manual as you and have been in the same barracks or training with the same drills etc etc and have been trained/doing exercises on a daily basis to know this manual inside out just because they depend on this... oh and you thought you can just open it and that'd make you a kickass marine or ground infantryman in just several chapters???? ok ok i'm poking holes now but you can see where i'm going with this

ANYWAY rant over.

point is there is neat info on this forum and there is ... ABSOLUTELY obsolete or inapplicable rubbish here which does not pertain to a family or a community of people on the move or setting up in a new place. and i'm telling you now i aint going to be the one who says HEY GUYS! I BROUGHT DRIED APPLES N DRIED CARROTS ALONG!

One thing i see on this place is that not a lot of you have a game plan which covers all bases and I admit that my plan is also not finished but I have been doing some research on my own strengths and weaknesses with what opportunities i have open and what is a concern or difficulty for me, which lead me to this place www.yourselfsufficiency.com.

I found their books to be a bit of a shocker as I didn’t have a clue that you could make your own power systems and i've been chasing the Zero point NRG projects for some time now but at this place, someone has amassed links to books which you have to pay for but I’ve bought a few and the first i got was the Energy for Solar and WIND as these gave me the basis to power my laptop n other stuff like a fridge or whatever to keep my food fresh for a while, anyway point is I looked at what i enjoyed most and found that the books mentioned here at avalon didn’t actually help me uphold them but rather go backwards in technology and stuff. I know people will say that i'm holding onto a false dream but dammit i like using my car, my computer, talking to my friends, eating fresh food and even stuff like electricity... i don’t know what the hell it is but i damn well like using it.

ok point is - LOL - i'm angry that a lot of people here are resigned to the idea that HEY

there’s going to be a big solar burp so we should all be ready to go back to wood woooya yeeehaaaaar back to the old 1800's and wild west ya'll... ok i'm taking the **** again but you may just want to check out www.yourselfsufficiency.com as I managed to have a look around and bought several books which helped me build a solar panel which works and i'm just fitting in time to make / learn how to tend to a permaculture/food garden project. I will be looking out for their tools section as well - I dont know too much about farming though but they have a book on how to make over 250 tools for farming. but EVERYONE its in your interest to look at what your missing in your knowledge!

its easy to sit on your ass and let the clouds hover by, but to really defend your way of life may take more than just a webpage!

Oh and if anyone else has a site which has current info or even amazon stuff. Be pasting those links! I want to learn more!

BTW -

Thanks to everyone else who has tried to help and thank you Bill n Kerry. I hope the road is not too hard to travel even if its a long one. KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!

To everyone else. Hope to YOU all =) BE PREPARED! NOT SURPRISED! Dont be the one with the pickled apples!

12-09-2008, 03:33 PM	#1
Force4 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6	Preparations and Planning n Living in Communities Hi there everyone! i've noticed that a lot of people have been posting books and opinions on what is best for survival and that really bothers me. I've been watching and reading for some time now and have some concern on the information being given out, first i want to make something very clear and that is SOME OF THE MATERIAL that is being given out is both inadequate and dangerously misleading; for example there is a link to a site regarding steps to take to ensure your safety in event of a nuclear war. This info is not simply woefully inadequate, it is positively lethal misinformation! The drawings and content indicate early American “Duck and Cover” era platitudes issued to the American people because the powers that be didn’t want to tell them that in reality they were going to burn, and those that didn’t burn were going to melt slowly. Having read some very sensitive documents the public will never see [even though these were themselves out of date when I saw them,] – I can guarantee that making a bunker under your kitchen table wont help you, neither will a blanket…I suppose to a certain extent it would make the clean up a bit easier for the authorities by keeping the ash and most of the runny bits in one place for collection - if any authorities survive,[doubtful] You – and am using the “Royal “ you here, should by now be well aware that the powers that be aim their primary efforts and keeping people placid and obedient; sit in the corner, put a blanket over your head and don’t be a nuisance - from their perspective, that’s all this stuff is for – its to make you feel you’re doing something so you don’t make a nuisance of yourself. Also, the whole idea that everyone who reads this can stock pile 'stuff’ and hide in their house in case of catastrophe is just PURE fallacy! WHY? Pick a city – lets say London. Have a good look at it. Some bits are on top of hills, others are in valleys. There are an awful lot of tall buildings. Imagine London 24 hours after a catastrophe.. these no power, so the water is no longer being pumped to the houses and the sewage is no longer being pumped away. Result? Given the number of people, within 24 hours you will be up to your neck in poo, with no heat, no light and no water to drink. How many people live in London? Do you think you will be able to hold on to ANYTHNG useful, drinkable or edible? They will be eating each other, and you as well in 48 hours. The same is true of all cities, towns and even many villages, but if you think people are going to stay there indefinitely you are wrong. Even the nastiest of people are not keen on paddling in poo with nothing to eat or drink. They are going to start moving – looking for food, resources, shelter etc.and I doubt that they will be polite. What they find they will take, so you have to contend with a deranged government trying to herd you up and feed you to the reptiles or imprison you for a little snak later and the rest of you r fellow humans. This applies to all or most of the situations that have been mentioned in this forum. From Earth changes, to civil containment - civil rioting, flooding scenarios to that horrendous scenario of marshal law and (well you all have posted your opinions or have read the posts with all possible scenarios etc) but the point is I'm getting the impression that this whole stocking up strategy works. But you've got to understand that some of you people who are giving all this 'nice' information out is that if YOU know where there is / was a supply of food or drinkable water [believe me, what is in bottles is not going to last very long] other people will know too and some of them wont be as polite. No one is going to come down from the skies to rescue you, Do you know why? Because we are not responsible as a species. We have not grown up enough yet to take responsibility for our own actions so now its kill or cure time. We will either mature or we wont survive. Think about it! So many people both preaching sweetness and light – believe everything is wonderful – believe the great and marvelous ascended ones will come rescue us and they will. Not happening! Similarly rescue by andromedan, pleidian etc. Children don’t learn about matches till they burn themselves; the whole point of unconditional love is to allow that to happen – love them enough to let them learn their own lessons and then when [if] they survive they will grow up and find their own way. We have to do it for ourselves or not at all! IF we pull or fingers out and start taking responsibility they just might take care of the elements that are here from other places, but that is about it until we grow up. I thought this place was about making a community/communities and becoming more self aware – small, self sufficient communities / groups with a high vibrational level that raises the local energy gradient, pooling their skills and knowledge is the way to go forward. You need communities set up in specific areas with the right mix of skills and knowledge. TO fight or resist the possible scenarios is not possible, but small self sufficient communities , with the right mix of people can raise the energy gradient locally to the point where these elements will not be ABLE to find you, but do not give up on the technology we have so easily – I don’t much like dentists but dentists without anesthetic or electric drills are a complete nono as far as im concerned. I've seen some posts which talk about drying fruit n preserving stuff and its all good... i'm making it clear that its all great that you can do that BUT FOR YOUR SAKE, YOUR FAMILIES SAKE OR GODS SAKE PLEASE goddamit come up with something which actually improves your way of life or at least helps sustain some bit of what you enjoy! I don’t want to have the consolation of eating dried fruit n treating myself to a tin of whatever was preserved some weeks ago....er no - i'd much rather spend my time learning on how to sustain my life and how i could actually improve upon it given the exceptional circumstances that are being presented THINK people THINK ! Don’t go backwards because its easy... yeah you can just sit on your biddy and just go back to the days of yore and 'learn' to live without electricity but for those people i say LOOK at what you are using, LISTEN to what your saying !!!!!!! what are you using now? do you think your computer is useful? do you like the car you drive, the cooker you use or the type of food you eat? what about electricity -------> is it just ok to use it for all its worth or that you can afford and when the lights go out you can just say oh well i was prepared as i've been learning to live without woopie dooo.... sorry but i just cant do that and i'm not willing to go back to the 1800's -------> too many people have bled and died to get us to where we are and to enjoy the fruits of their struggle and sacrifice, i see some people with pics of Nikola Tesla and pictures of pyramids and other nice n wacky things which honestly i truly don’t understand but i do know that without tesla we may as well be back in the 1800's and good god some of you may think its the easy life and the pipe dream but i seriously ask, are you for real that your willing to let all this slip? i'm trying to not use the sentence "advances in our civilization" but its what we got and its what we have at the moment, its so goddamn easy to go backwards back to the days of wood all that ** but when you really think about YOURSELF and ask yourself how independant are you... it really starts to be a tough question because most adults would say hey i'm independant and you cant tell me what to do blah blah blah, but I too go to the super market and i too cook my own food and make my own bed and drive my own car, but i have to have someone at the supermarket to sell me this stuff, i have to go to the petrol/gas station to fill my motor up and i enjoy playing on my laptop or working with it, but NOT once has anyone said WHERE DOES IT ALL COME FROM and HOW CAN I BUILD UPON MY KNOWLEDGE SO I CAN DO IT TOO? now people are going to perceive this as a 'negative' post and some will say we must shed ourselves of this false existence and cover ourselves with poo and go back to the age of face paint and war sticks (lol ok joke) but the point is I think we first must consider the essentials of LIVING and not surviving, oh and this brings me to another point. ALL those Army GI JOE manuals are rubbish, mostly because they 'deal with the situation with what you got' kind of strategy which was based upon being in a conflict or behind enemy lines...also those manuals were designed for men who have been trained to kill, have armoured and or air/ground support in the same theatre or battle and oh did i mention forward command bases, extra buddies who also have the same manual as you and have been in the same barracks or training with the same drills etc etc and have been trained/doing exercises on a daily basis to know this manual inside out just because they depend on this... oh and you thought you can just open it and that'd make you a kickass marine or ground infantryman in just several chapters???? ok ok i'm poking holes now but you can see where i'm going with this ANYWAY rant over. point is there is neat info on this forum and there is ... ABSOLUTELY obsolete or inapplicable rubbish here which does not pertain to a family or a community of people on the move or setting up in a new place. and i'm telling you now i aint going to be the one who says HEY GUYS! I BROUGHT DRIED APPLES N DRIED CARROTS ALONG! One thing i see on this place is that not a lot of you have a game plan which covers all bases and I admit that my plan is also not finished but I have been doing some research on my own strengths and weaknesses with what opportunities i have open and what is a concern or difficulty for me, which lead me to this place www.yourselfsufficiency.com. I found their books to be a bit of a shocker as I didn’t have a clue that you could make your own power systems and i've been chasing the Zero point NRG projects for some time now but at this place, someone has amassed links to books which you have to pay for but I’ve bought a few and the first i got was the Energy for Solar and WIND as these gave me the basis to power my laptop n other stuff like a fridge or whatever to keep my food fresh for a while, anyway point is I looked at what i enjoyed most and found that the books mentioned here at avalon didn’t actually help me uphold them but rather go backwards in technology and stuff. I know people will say that i'm holding onto a false dream but dammit i like using my car, my computer, talking to my friends, eating fresh food and even stuff like electricity... i don’t know what the hell it is but i damn well like using it. ok point is - LOL - i'm angry that a lot of people here are resigned to the idea that HEY there’s going to be a big solar burp so we should all be ready to go back to wood woooya yeeehaaaaar back to the old 1800's and wild west ya'll... ok i'm taking the ** again but you may just want to check out www.yourselfsufficiency.com as I managed to have a look around and bought several books which helped me build a solar panel which works and i'm just fitting in time to make / learn how to tend to a permaculture/food garden project. I will be looking out for their tools section as well - I dont know too much about farming though but they have a book on how to make over 250 tools for farming. but EVERYONE its in your interest to look at what your missing in your knowledge! its easy to sit on your ass and let the clouds hover by, but to really defend your way of life may take more than just a webpage! Oh and if anyone else has a site which has current info or even amazon stuff. Be pasting those links! I want to learn more! BTW - Thanks to everyone else who has tried to help and thank you Bill n Kerry. I hope the road is not too hard to travel even if its a long one. KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK! To everyone else. Hope to YOU all =) BE PREPARED! NOT SURPRISED! Dont be the one with the pickled apples!