What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Sanat

The only thing I "defend" is the fact that there is truth in anything that exist. Otherwise it would not exist at all. Everything in Creation is trying to wake us up. That's why poets/philosphers/teachers can make good parables out of most anything (Plato's cave Allegory is one example of this, and also Jesus and Buddha had a lot of good Parables).

This is a discussion, and a discussion have to have it's basis in something as it cannot develop from nothing. Any input is welcome to this discussion, but please make it creative, and refrain from attacking people. Nobody is forcing you to follow this thread, or listen to anything here at all. It is my and anyone elses right to "misunderstand" and discuss anything we want. Who are you to tell anyone what to think and believe? That is again what I call "religous behavior" and I am not interested in that at all. I could care less what anyone believes or not. I enjoy creative discussion with other creative, polite and nice people. If that is too much for you to handle, feel free to take your business elsewhere.

The negative and accusing tone in your post reveals a lot about your true intentions and who is really "frothing at the moth". BS should not be very hard to simply ignore. So what are your really doing here? Are you here to "save people" from the "evil" of this thread? Is that how you look at intelligent people around you? That they all need to change and be like you "want them to be"? I will probably let your behavior slide this time, but if anything like this comes from you again it will be reported. This is way over the line, and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Love and Gratitude,

Sanat

Report away, oh enlightened one. I haven't written anything that justifies my being banned, or even reprimanded for that matter. And even in this latest response of yours - you're doing the same thing that I previously pointed out - hanging your own issues around the necks of others.

I entered into this discussion to point out some of the eyebrow-raising positions some of these sources take; positions regarding issues like homosexuality and the idea that a benevolent Federation ship is going to rescue the chosen ones from the cataclysmic events on the horizon.

If labeling a particular group of individuals resonates with you, drive on. For me, I have to say that anything division-inducing doesn't resonate so well. And if it doesn't resonate so well, I'm apt to question a lot of what's been offered from that source. As for the idea that a force outside of ourselves is going to save us...again, it excuses personal responsibility. For those of us who have digested a considerable amount of information (from a host of authors) I think it's becoming more of an unanimous conclusion that at this juncture in our collective experience - that it's all about personal responsibility. So far, I haven't heard you address either one of these things.

We're not going to change our political climate by protesting anything. We're not going to be making a huge difference by fighting anything. And we're certainly not progressing by waiting for a messiah to make everything all better. This is about us doing the work as individuals - to strip away the layers of programming that have sought to divide us and limit us - so that we may return to ONE. Anything that seeks to divide or place the responsibility upon the shoulders of another (with whatever technique) is disempowering IMHO and I felt compelled to point out these things to whoever will hear.

Way over the line? Nothing to do with the topic of this thread?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of all of the discussions in Avalon to arrive at the truth, however transient they may be? If I launched into a purposed plan of action because of a single article that I found on a website that many others have concluded to be a disinformation site, I'd EXPECT the participants who genuinely love me, and you (and themselves!) to point it out to me. I have no attachment to any idea or information. It's all STUFF. There is no gospel. Everything we need to know is right under our noses! Anything that tries to convince us that it's outside of ourselves is suspect. I see a lot of people desperately holding on to one idea or another because they're so terrified of being wrong about something. Who cares?! Right and wrong, liberal or conservative....don't you see the greater picture of division?

I want to be wrong about yesterday's truth because then, and only then will I be free to grasp the next, greater, more encompassing version of the truth. You were right when you said that there's a little bit of truth in everything. Unfortunately, that's the formula by which disinformation is disseminated. I mean you no ill-will, Sanat and I don't need to be the guy with all the answers. There's no ego involved in this for me, I have no website to promote and I don't want a title of any kind. I want us to reclaim our power and fix our world. This happens by all of us letting go of our attachment to philosophies that are proving themselves to be lacking. Science has already been doing this very thing in recent years, going back to supposed foundations of fact, in order to follow a new path - because the old one has proven itself to be flawed. New truths are being revealed daily. It's all moving so fast. We need to be a fluid as the rate in which its' increasing. That's all.

I wish all love and light.
recallone