What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

[Doom]

I am late to the convo, but I just was reading back and wanted to post a few comments about some of what's been said, too much has been said to respond to anything specific really that I want to, but I just want to make a few general comments.

I want to start with this though:

Originally Posted by Sanat

I will avoid engaging in "discussion" where the implicit "understanding" is that of trying to convince (each other). That only creates conflict and drains energy. I am not asking anyone to "belive". I try to stimulate people towards investigating for themselves and thinkin for themselves. Providing "(thought)provoking" info is one way of doing just that. It is perfectly OK with me that you or other people see things differently.

great point here and agreed, but I would just like to point out that there is not really any wrong way of getting this information out and discussing if it is valid. I do not endorse arguments at all, or "trying to convince someone to have the same opinion" or anything like that, but I do recognize that we're all emotional beings talking about very powerful stuff in a very interesting time, and how sometimes you have to be somewhat 'up front' to cut to the point sometimes which can be perceived as being offensive, and so it happens that we can't always avoid conflict unless we all subscribe to the same beliefs and opinions. We are all here to help wake each other up, and do something to stop the new world order, are we not?

Now, let me go on,

I will boldy state outright that I do not buy any of the information in the initial post, and yes, I am quite familiar with it all. I really do think it is all new age jargon. Sanat(Satan?) has the right to present information and his opinions, but I’d like to point out a few opposing opinions of mine. I don’t mean any offense by anything I say here, it is just my opinion having studied a lot of that information in the OP and many other types of similar information, and understanding what I do about the new age movement. BTW, “The Great Harvest” sounds completely Masonic, I’ll have to look into that. I think that any of these types of 2012 theories can be put to rest except for maybe they might do something like officially swear in world government, or the NAU(if they don’t do that in 2010 like CFR plan), or something like that because of course they love dates and are very occultic, but I don't think that any theories involving a change in consciousness, planet x of course, etc. is going to happen. It’s the same as saying a asteroid/comet is going to hit us. A threat from space. Be it aliens, or planet x put out by the conspiracies, or comets and asteroids put out by the mainstream, the positive and the negative, the PTB give you both sides of the propaganda. It’s all the same type of propaganda/counter-intelligence and it can be used for lots of different reasons to push lots of different agenda forth, and buying into such things is not getting us anywhere in stopping the new world order.

I know this is all quite a bit of a generalization but as I said I’m late to the show, but I find prevalent in the OP and many of Sanat supporting posts and from the sources referenced in this thread here, is a lot of oneness/infinite love/positive thinking type “ideas” which I do not agree with as I think they are a part of the new age religion designed to control us.

For those who haven’t, I always recommend everyone look into as much information about the new age movement as you can find, look at origins and history of it, and then the cia/mi5 involvement, look at how certain techniques are used to encouraging positive thinking even when terrible things are happening to us, because it helps destroy the survival instinct so we can be killed of without resistance. Happiness is not the meaning of life and we should all know that, and even if it was, before we find true happiness, we have to face the negative things in order to fix them, denying them and ignoring them is only perpetuating it.

For those who have looked into the new age, and counter-intelligence etc. and still have your opinions, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Oh and, one last thing, a little back someone here mentioned there are some “Alan Watt followers” here, and I take a little offense to that as I hold Alan in high regard for helping me to wake myself up, but I am in no way a part of any group, I try to avoid groups because whenever you join a group ultimately you are not the one making decisions for yourself. I am individual and do not follow anyone. While I find Alan Watt to be a great tool to help others, we all know the best tool is one’s own mind, and looking into information for ourselves, making our own minds from studying from original sources and not getting our information through mediums, and if they are going through mediums of any sort such as newspapers etc., we must have the proper knowledge to decipher how trustworthy the medium is and what is truth and what is propaganda etc. Fact is always mixed with fiction and we are lead to be completely confused about what is real and what is not, we must do all we can to sort it out.