Comentaries on Dr. Deagle's conference

[Richard T]

Hello franzBardon, how are you doing.
I too am finding pleasure in this conversation.

measure as in the process of estimating the magnitude of an individuals experience of reality vs. that of the non-reality?

In the sense that humanity is always fed with a truth first. This makes the receiver susceptible by opening his mind. Then, what follows, may be a savant mixture of truths and lies, tied together to keep the channel open.

now, if one were to look at the definition of disinformation in most, if not all, western dictionaries they would see that disinformation is the deliberate act of an individual to disseminate deception to another to: prevent, dissuade, mislead, and redirect them to one's own course of action. would not this definition be more conducive to your statement regarding these malevolent forces you ty to describe? is it not the case that by forces you mean entities? so again for clarification purposes we need to have a common understanding with regard to who or what these forces are.

I am talking about the invisible.
I consider the human being as a channel to forces who has not yet taken possession of its psychic territory.
The ego identifies to what energy it supports.
The psychic forces that occupy the psychic territory will vibrate to what is said that is in conformity to their agenda. Likewise, they will vehemently reject what goes against it.
This is why it was possible in the past to state that those who were not marked to know this or that would be blinded, even if they were told.
So long as the ego identifies to forces that occupy his territory and infiltrate the mind from what we call the subconscious, he gives them power over him.
If the ego would centre himself rather than staying at the periphery of his consciousness, he would stand as a pillar that cannot be influenced, neither from without nor from within.
This is a tour de force.

who controls the ego?

The ego is controlled by those forces that are at his origin. The forces that setup the experimental conditions of this planet. He is controlled by forces that interfere with his ability to question his reality, using thought forms to amplify the reflective process. They intervene by adjusting the thought forms to emotional states.
The ego cannot discern the nature of those forces because he identifies to them.
And his reality, who seeks to penetrate the psychic territory and restore the real identity cannot share the space with those forces.
It is the ego who must take a distance with what he felt was natural, with what he felt was his nature, and depersonalize it. Once depersonalized, they lose their hold and can less and less affect the ego.

what of prophecies, psychic premonitions, psychics, project looking glass? all disinformationists?

Not necessarily.
The disinformation has much to do with the interpretation. And interpretations are conditioned by human factors.
But as a rule of thumb, unless one has the ability to investigate the source, the real source, of information, which often does not lie with the man who speaks them but from beyond his mind, then he is safer to not believe.
Again, I am not saying that he should dismiss it, but to not believe. To not believe already is a self centering act that allows more objectivity.

i ask you what is the process by which one raises their vibration?
this is something very important for the reader to be attentive to.

if the law of correspondence is applied, we would see we (and all beings, entities), have the ability to create similar to our creator however, we differ given the density which we are at presently.

The process is a descending process. It is a two way street. The ego cannot increase the rate of his vibration by wishing it or by meditating on the idea. But... What he can do is depersonalize those energies to which he identifies and that lower his vibration.
When he does that, he gives to his source the possibility to penetrate his territory and that is what increases his vibration.
And the more this is done, the less he can be influenced by planetary vibrations and consciousness.

Man is a powerful being that has not yet fulfilled his mandate. He lost authority over the form because he became enamoured with the form. So long as he answers to the forces who occupy his territory, he cannot be allowed to create. These forces are forces of domination and they cannot be given a power that goes beyond what they already have. If man in matter was given the authority over the form, be a creator as people say, before he had the intelligence to discern what he is not and demonstrated the will to extirpate from his territory everything that he is not, he would become the absolute dominator.

And it is by figuring out what he is not that he will find what he is, because what he is will descend to meet and fuse with him.

What people call the forces of light and the forces of darkness cannot co-habitate in the same vessel.

For man to change density, he must first stop descending further into material consciousness. For him to access other planes of his reality, he must stop identifying with the dense consciousness. Man cannot elevate himself from dense consciousness without the work of what is already at the opposite of the spectrum and that is him, already, but not as he thinks. What he thinks proceeds from a dense materialized energy that he came to experiment. What he experiments is not him but he has been forced to identify to it.

the ACT of creating is a gift all created things, including human beings, have ALREADY been given. creating is a mental ACT which draws upon both the masculine & feminine natures within each being, entity, and thing. this exists on all levels of the material, mental, and spiritual planes.

I beg to differ on this item franzBardon, but in the following way:
Creation is always the manifestation of the source, the source being the first level of differentiation of the energy and that differentiation being his real identity. If a man is not manifesting the source, then he is manifesting something else. He is then manifesting from a will and intelligence that are not his.
If man manifests his source, he has already answered the riddle of his origin and of his destiny, where he is from, where he is and where he is going.

This means that when man holds the power of creation, he will be the source and the terminal. This is what I mean by integral. The integral being. This is also what I am pointing out in relation to the process of integration.
For the energy to fuse with the mortal, the work of construction of the various vehicles had to be completed. And we are just at the stage of completion of the descending vehicles. Now, those vehicles must be used to receive the energy of creation. And once this is done, he is both the source and the creation.

Man has not started his evolution yet. And it is only once he is evolved that he can start creative work. The power of creation cannot be handed over to a creature who takes itself seriously.

n example behavior, is measurable and can be changed thru the application of various behavior principles.

This is correct because people are predictable.
They are predictable because they conform to a mental architecture that is at the base of their civilization. This identification to that architecture means that people do not think what they want to think but they think what they can think. Once man is the manifestation of the energy of thought, rather than the conditioned form, he won't be predictable as he will instantly change his course and do what must be done rather than juggle with false choices that are just there in a game of opposition between needs and desires.

now, if we look to carl g. jung's biography, from what it appears you've borrowed from

I have not read Jung, but go ahead...

...he does not however, come to the conclusion that because he did not know his psyche , "no one else could. [know their own]

Jung was obviously an intelligent man.

i have yet to come across a text which arrives at the conclusion you state so i ask you where have you gotten this or
or how have you determined this?

The only things that can be determined are those thing that you do determine. Consciousness if very personal. And the future evolution will not, as it has been in the past, be a collective process.
This means that every person will be the expression of an absolute of reality and that each person will seek to build over and increase the access to 'knowledge' (I hate that word) of higher and higher vibration. This will be achieved by the verb that they will exercise.
If someone says 'I have had contact with a higher intelligence' that someone participates to the creation of forms from which some people may not be able to escape. The higher the vibration of the form, the more magnetic power it has over the mind. Which in turn makes a person believe he has attained a higher truth. Each illusion uncovers yet another illusion, more perfect in its form and more powerful than the previous.
It is each individual who will have to be the proof of his reality.
This means that what we say today is already obsolete when we are expressing again. We do not stop, trying to retain the memory, and go on forever increasing the level of access to reality as we speak, in the measure that we are allowed by those people with whom we interact.

human beings are conduits. it is our senses that allow us to recognize it's existence.

Humans are conduits, indeed.
Can you explain what you mean by "it is our senses that allow us to recognize it's existence"?

did man create love? we certainly ascribe attributes to it

Love is a fundamental energy. It is not created.
But, man will be the channel through which that energy will for the first time manifest consciously in the lower spheres. It is ironic, love today being such a caricature, totally distorded by the astral consciousness and diluted in a form of emotion.

did human beings create harmony?
when things harmonize are they in agreement?
what is the sensation (feeling), recognition of things vibrating together agreeably called? is that not love?
if all things vibrate together agreeably do they not ascend higher and higher? is this not the most powerful ability of created things?

Human beings answer to the laws of brotherhood until they answer to the laws of love.
Things that harmonize have a correspondence in vibration.
The sensation of things vibrating together agreeably is harmony, it is not love.
Things that vibrate together agreeably are quite content to remain in that state.
What does that state create? Harmony is not power, creation is.

Spiritual beings seek harmony. Interestingly, the forces behind creation use opposition to generate will.
Without will there is no creation. The soul is a contemplating force where the spirit is a roaring force.

would it not be more beneficial to just state the principles and laws which govern all things created so that human beings can recollect the knowledge (tools) to know them selves, evolve, and defend them selves from the suggested malevolent forces? it was mentioned previously that you had direct experience. i'm not sure what the means exactly. it is apparent to me that you have borrowed information from both psychology and other occult arts. may i ask what affiliations you have to any of the mystery schools?

This is a very interesting point you make.
There are the principles that govern all things created. And humanity is governed by these principles. These are the polarity of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, intelligence and will.
Getting to know those principles as they apply in the psyche and manipulate it with the illusion of free will may not bring the memory of the reality behind man, that reality residing beyond creation.
But it may allow man to recognize what is not him and to expell the residual implications of the laws of creation to restore his consciousness beyond the veil that these laws impose.
One such law is that who governs memory and the access to its archives and that is controlled by hierarchies who hold the key to various levels of vibrations of the information kept in those worlds. Archives are worlds in themselves.

Experience is important to the individual who lives it. Each individual has an experience perfectly tailored to fit his personal need for evolution, the same way that each person will be the perfect and absolutely personal expression of the reality he alone represents. This means that each person has a piece of the puzzle. But they may not know it at the same time. Man is a universal being. This means that his reality encompasses a sphere of consciousness that is a universe in itself, where intelligences evolve.

Let me give an example:
What we call the astral world, if it were viewed from outside its sphere, would be seen as a single intelligence.
Man does not belong to that sphere but is experimenting within that sphere. And so long as he is experimenting within it, he abides by its laws. Once man will have become, he will be the law. Then we can say that he creates his reality. And there has been at least one man who has done so.

I have no affiliation to any school of any kind.