Causal reality

mudra · 06-06-2009, 10:51 PM

The following was mailed to me by Rareheart.
I submit it to you .
I am sure Rareheart although he can't post here for the moment will be pleased to read your comments on this.

As you will see the subject is quite interesting.
I have my own ideas about it but I'll let you give yours first.

Kindness
mudra

Everything starts with consciousness.That is, consciousness is the ground of all being. In this view, consciousness imposes "downward causation." In other words, our free will is real. When we act in the world we really are acting with causal power. This view does not deny that matter also has causal potency—it does not deny that there is causal power from elementary particles upward, so there is upward causation—but in addition it insists that there is also downward causation. It shows up in our creativity and acts of free will, or when we make moral decisions. In those occasions we are actually witnessing downward causation by consciousness.

Amit Goswani

OK...with that "said"...

Matter has it's own 'causal potential'...right?
It's "cause" is directed by the collective consciouness, which lays out a set of ground rules for perceived reality to conform to. For instance...if I randomly shuffle a deck of cards...each card has the potential to be any card in the deck...from a quantum physics standpoint...right?...hehehe

follow me here....lol.
Consciousness has a downward causal potential too...so my thoughts/consciouness have an influence on that deck of cards. If you think about how many people are trying to influence the turn of a card, at any given moment, the numbers are staggering...right this instant there are untold numbers of casinos on this planet...each one has numerous games of chance which involve people trying to influence cards...through intent. Each time I turn a card from a deck, it has many influential factors playing against each other to determine its final revelation...the most influential or most powerful intent should "win"?...right?
Imagine if I became so powerfully influential that every card dealt to me was a member of the royal flush family (I am a poker fan...royal flush beats any other hand in poker...just in case you don't play poker) No matter who shuffled the deck, or how long they shuffled...no matter the circumstances...each card dealt to me was one of the five required to complete the royal flush...each would always be the same suit of course too. (the "flush" part).
If this little 'thought experiment' were fact...how do you think people would react?
Would they listen to me when I explained that I was manipulating matter because I understand how...or would they kill me, because they are afraid of me?

06-06-2009, 10:51 PM	#1
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Causal reality The following was mailed to me by Rareheart. I submit it to you . I am sure Rareheart although he can't post here for the moment will be pleased to read your comments on this. As you will see the subject is quite interesting. I have my own ideas about it but I'll let you give yours first. Kindness mudra Everything starts with consciousness.That is, consciousness is the ground of all being. In this view, consciousness imposes "downward causation." In other words, our free will is real. When we act in the world we really are acting with causal power. This view does not deny that matter also has causal potency—it does not deny that there is causal power from elementary particles upward, so there is upward causation—but in addition it insists that there is also downward causation. It shows up in our creativity and acts of free will, or when we make moral decisions. In those occasions we are actually witnessing downward causation by consciousness. Amit Goswani OK...with that "said"... Matter has it's own 'causal potential'...right? It's "cause" is directed by the collective consciouness, which lays out a set of ground rules for perceived reality to conform to. For instance...if I randomly shuffle a deck of cards...each card has the potential to be any card in the deck...from a quantum physics standpoint...right?...hehehe follow me here....lol. Consciousness has a downward causal potential too...so my thoughts/consciouness have an influence on that deck of cards. If you think about how many people are trying to influence the turn of a card, at any given moment, the numbers are staggering...right this instant there are untold numbers of casinos on this planet...each one has numerous games of chance which involve people trying to influence cards...through intent. Each time I turn a card from a deck, it has many influential factors playing against each other to determine its final revelation...the most influential or most powerful intent should "win"?...right? Imagine if I became so powerfully influential that every card dealt to me was a member of the royal flush family (I am a poker fan...royal flush beats any other hand in poker...just in case you don't play poker) No matter who shuffled the deck, or how long they shuffled...no matter the circumstances...each card dealt to me was one of the five required to complete the royal flush...each would always be the same suit of course too. (the "flush" part). If this little 'thought experiment' were fact...how do you think people would react? Would they listen to me when I explained that I was manipulating matter because I understand how...or would they kill me, because they are afraid of me?