WARNING! a Subscription could endangered you privacy! WARNING!

[Old Cop]

Do not subscribe, your information is not safe. If this forum were to changes owners, or if its monitored by anyone (and I bet it is). Your information will be captured and used. They already have a lot of information on everyone. Why give them more?

Before I retired, I was on a computer forensic team assigned the task of investigating users of a illegal forum with a court order to track the contributors. Subscriptions made it very easy.

To anyone looking to keep yourself private, do not subscribe. Everybody on this forum will be put on a list and tracked if any government deems it necessary, or any others who have the power.

If you think sending a cheque is safer, there was a court order investigating all the bank documents as well of the forum owner. The "powers that be" can monitor the banks if they need to as well. Think about it!

Bill & Kerry need to rethink what they are asking people to do. Bill, Kerry and anyone else running this site can not protect you! They are putting everyone at risk! A lot of you have just woke up, don't fall in to this trap.

Bill & Kerry need to provide an explanation of how they can protect your information. But they can't. They know its out of their control. They have even said they are being monitored. Do you want to be to?

Please people be careful!

Just a kind warning!

[Christo888]

Remember the truth is always the truth whether you believe it or not!


Great saying, I wonder how tptb will track that one down, with or without a subscription and then what will they do with it once they themselves find it!

[towerofvision]

Guess what I am 72 years old and I could care less if they monitor me. I am a conservative in all ways. I live on SS and if that goes I will just be a handy man and work for barter. I do happen to be a commercial architect and I can build almost anything. I have done just about everything in the feild of construction.

Let them monitor me!

[David]

I have nothing to hide. They can interrogate but they cannot harm me.

[davefla73]

Originally Posted by David

I have nothing to hide. They can interrogate but they cannot harm me.

that sounds like big talk to me , do you have family? friends , apet something you love? they can hurt them to hurt you, if they relly want to or kill you . not that anyone on this site is that important but dont act like no one can hurt you ! Jail is a really sucky place to be!!!
PS I love all of you just want you to be careful

[Carol]

Good grief. Has anyone here bothered to google one's own telephone number or address. There is no such thing as privacy. One could get stuck never doing anything for FEAR that something may happen. Meanwhile the world goes on. I have numerous subscriptions all over the place and refuse to worry about any of it. Heck, I'm the one with my real name and photo posted and have more to risk if this was something to be concerned with.. it isn't. Giving into paranoia is an incredible waste of energy. I'd rather be spending my energy doing something I enjoy and giving into fear isn't on my list.

[Dantheman62]

Exactly Carol!

[Machinamentum]

Originally Posted by Carol

Good grief. Has anyone here bothered to google one's own telephone number or address. There is no such thing as privacy. One could get stuck never doing anything for FEAR that something may happen. Meanwhile the world goes on. I have numerous subscriptions all over the place and refuse to worry about any of it. Heck, I'm the one with my real name and photo posted and have more to risk if this was something to be concerned with.. it isn't. Giving into paranoia is an incredible waste of energy. I'd rather be spending my energy doing something I enjoy and giving into fear isn't on my list.

Right? So do these people realize that everything they say on the phone is recorded? What ya gunna quit talking on the phone? That's giving into "divide and conquer". If you ping this site they will know. If you even so much as think about this site they will know.

The fear of being raided is a good weapon. But if everybody said nothing we will get nowhere fast. People need to grow some bawls. If you can't stand up for your beliefs, maybe you shouldn't be posting on this site anyway.

The world and this forum don't need no bull**** right now.

All you should have to do is send in a money order with your user name.

Anonymous 12 dollar money order once a year, is easier than paying most bills.

[P4BL0]

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[David]

Originally Posted by davefla73

that sounds like big talk to me , do you have family? friends , apet something you love? they can hurt them to hurt you, if they relly want to or kill you . not that anyone on this site is that important but dont act like no one can hurt you ! Jail is a really sucky place to be!!!
PS I love all of you just want you to be careful

Actually, it's not "big talk" it's a fact. It's not a cult, we don't support violence and there is no one here that has masters plans of mass destruction. All this talk of putting fear into people minds that subscription to this site will put you in danger is the real crime.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by David

I have nothing to hide. They can interrogate but they cannot harm me.

you may believe you have nothing to hide, but if you give advice or even help someone else see what is happening in the world, why wouldn't you be considered a terrorist?
you are part of a movement trying to lift the lid on corruption.
They may not harm your soul, but I bet they could find a way to hurt your mind and body.

The Shadows have had plenty of practice, and I would probably suggest that some of them really like their work.

remember that you are no longer innocent until proven Guilty.

[raulduke]

This is an interesting dilema for me at least. I'm not worried about anyone monitoring anything I do or say (although I certainly object to it of course), because I mean no harm, and I'm sure that anyone monitoring me would surely see that by myself, I'm no threat.

That said, I can see a point in the not too distant future where dissenting language could become a crime. I'm not saying it's necessarily likely, but it is possible, and many of my posts here are very critical of the establishment/gov., so there's something to be said in the name of concern for that possibility.

Now I only voice my concerns over that issue to diffuse the warning issued in the OP, by that I mean, if you are indeed worried that your dissent may be a crime some day, then do not go quietly. Be loud. Make your opinions known, and if they come for you one day, there will be others who know and can do something.

To hide or to hold your ground is the question. I hate to resort to "us against them" or "good v.s bad" analogies, but if you think that you've chosen the good side, then don't hide it.

All we want is to be free (for real). How can that be such a bad thing?

[Orion11]

Originally Posted by raulduke

This is an interesting dilema for me at least. I'm not worried about anyone monitoring anything I do or say (although I certainly object to it of course), because I mean no harm, and I'm sure that anyone monitoring me would surely see that by myself, I'm no threat.

That said, I can see a point in the not too distant future where dissenting language could become a crime. I'm not saying it's necessarily likely, but it is possible, and many of my posts here are very critical of the establishment/gov., so there's something to be said in the name of concern for that possibility.

Now I only voice my concerns over that issue to diffuse the warning issued in the OP, by that I mean, if you are indeed worried that your dissent may be a crime some day, then do not go quietly. Be loud. Make your opinions known, and if they come for you one day, there will be others who know and can do something.

To hide or to hold your ground is the question. I hate to resort to "us against them" or "good v.s bad" analogies, but if you think that you've chosen the good side, then don't hide it.

All we want is to be free (for real). How can that be such a bad thing?

[Dominic]

So, what is the point!!!

[futureyes]

dang if you do and dang if you don't ...

guess it comes down to whether or not you believe there is a risk and if so, is truth worth the risk, is a better world worth the risk to speak your truth to allow others to become aware, awakened ...

i've come to know we live in a world that not too much is sacred anymore so what have we got to lose but everything to gain

be discerning, subscribe or not, post what is within your comfort zone of truth ... never though be fearful for doing so



"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those that do evil, but because of those that look on and do nothing"
Albert Einstein

[Josefine]

Could be something to what you are saying, Munkey. But as the saying goes, nothing ventured, nothing gained. We did not come here to take more of the same, did we?

BTW, if a picture says more than 1000 words, your avatar is sending out a negative message, IMHO. Subliminal messaging? Yes, I know we want to hit the mark in what we do, but do we want to hit other people, whoever they are?

[Nemo492]

First step to liberation, IMO, is to overcome that (silly) paranoia :
The PTB already do have your information.

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by towerofvision

Guess what I am 72 years old and I could care less if they monitor me. I am a conservative in all ways. I live on SS and if that goes I will just be a handy man and work for barter. I do happen to be a commercial architect and I can build almost anything. I have done just about everything in the feild of construction.

Let them monitor me!

If you're board than maybe you would be interested in something... i will PM you.

[feardia]

Originally Posted by towerofvision

Guess what I am 72 years old and I could care less if they monitor me. I am a conservative in all ways. I live on SS and if that goes I will just be a handy man and work for barter. I do happen to be a commercial architect and I can build almost anything. I have done just about everything in the feild of construction.

Let them monitor me!

my da is 79 tomorrow, we all have to hold on...
have you ever stolen lead
ras tafari, people get ready

[Myplanet2]

TPTB can monitor this:

What information could they possibly get that they don't already have?

[371]

If you're using the internet anyone can find out anything about you.

Old Cop, you talked about investigating illegal forums. as someone who's seen what goes on in some of these forums the people here have little to worry about.

Dissenters are a lot lower on the list than people who are manufacturing bombs, drugs, and selling guns.

[alyscat]

And Old Cop joined in December and this was his/her first post. This to me is more typical of fear mongering than talking about HPHs earthquakes.

alys

[deb003]

Originally Posted by towerofvision

Guess what I am 72 years old and I could care less if they monitor me. I am a conservative in all ways. I live on SS and if that goes I will just be a handy man and work for barter. I do happen to be a commercial architect and I can build almost anything. I have done just about everything in the feild of construction.

Let them monitor me!

Well, guess what, I am 32 years old and I have children. I do care if they monitor me as I can defend myself but I won't put my children at risk of anything I can help.

Thank You so much for this warning. I won't be subscribing.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by deb003

Well, guess what, I am 32 years old and I have children. I do care if they monitor me as I can defend myself but I won't put my children at risk of anything I can help.

Thank You so much for this warning. I won't be subscribing.

If you're driving in your car but not speeding, then you don't have to worry about being pulled over, if you're not doing drugs, then you don't have to worry about being busted, and if you're just on this forum which is perfectly legal, then you have nothing to worry about, as in being monitored!