*** Opinions on an Approach to Subscription Based Forum Model ***

[ADAM KADMON]

Howdy All,

I've seen everyone's perspective on the paid subscription model for this forum, and hope offer an alternative perspective.

We people do normally donate for things that we believe in. Whether it's hungry children starving in Africa, Cancer research - or in a case like this, Information.

We people will also PAY for the things we need. Bill and Kerry have decided on asking their followers to pay for this forum. Thus, we inevitably ask ourselves if this is something we need. As PAY and need together. The things we pay for that we do not need are things we WANT. So must either need or want to participate here enough to pay for it.

The poll shows that 77% of people do not feel the need or want to participate on this particular forum enough to pay for it. The amount being trivial, $1 or $12 makes no difference.

However, each and every one of us do BELIEVE and support in what Bill and Kerry are doing ~ that's why we are here. We are here on common grounds and each support this movement in one degree or another. I for one do - and will - donate for causes which I believe in.

If Bill and Kerry were to simply ask for a nominal donation, of whatever you feel you could afford, rather than insist we pay ~ do you feel would be a more appropriate approach? One you would feel positive about making?

If and when the option or link is made available to donate to this thread, I will lead the way and be the first to make a contribution. Especially if our donation gave us access to a higher degree of information, or with it was included a DVD or CD not released to the public.

In fact, an incentive like this would assure a donation from me personally and I would feel very positive having chosen to give willingly rather than being pushed.

I hope this post is received in light and will facilitate positive response in a timely manner,

Adam K.

[KathyT]

My suggestion, is for Project Camelot to use it's moderators and do a fund raising drive like Public Broadcasting stations do it.

That way it is voluntary... and with enough convincing... I think contributions will come in.

Bill and Kerry, please consider this...

[Myplanet2]

Thanks for offering solutions, Adam.

As you may know, the bottom of every page on the Camelot site has a donate button.

And there are elaborate plans for a great deal of added value coming in the future.

As has always been intended, the information will always remain freely available to anyone who can use it. But.....That doesn't mean it can't be repackaged for subscribed members. Those opting for the free, read only situation will certainly be able to search and scour the forum for all the links, and articles, and discussions, and opinions, and insights etc that make Avalon what it is.

But members will have the benefit of the work of the research team in as much as we are working on doing all that searching, copying, compiling, organizing, sifting, condensing, expounding, etc, and will be putting this into a database in the member forum.

Just think of the wisdom and knowledge which has been deposited here already. over 70 thousand posts. Many thousands of them with links to articles, websites, videos, blogs, etc.

But not just that. We're planning workshops on all the major areas of ground crew knowledge and skill that will be needed. And teleconferences. including potentially with whistleblowers.

We're considering making hard copies of the library available at a nominal cost.

Avalon is a fantastic opportunity for us to make a difference in this world and in our own lives.

But the size of the task is daunting, and time is not on our side. We need lots of help. How would the idea that coming on board to help out with the research project would mean waiving of the subscription cost fly? It's been discussed, and last I heard, the idea had support.

If someone has no money, or just can't subscribe on some principle or another, what about helping with the library project the researchers are working on? Would that be a fair deal? It's a big job, but it's rewarding, as you get to really burrow in and have a look at what's there, and in what condition of usability.

It's time for the ground crew to mobilize and pull off a miracle on our lovely little planet.

It's solution time.

Bill and Kerry have little real choice in this funding issue anymore. They've both used up their personal funds, which have financed their work up until now, with some much appreciated donations too, and if they are to continue their valuable work, they will need for funding to be provided for.

Do we want them to be able to continue what they do? Compare what you know right now, with what you'd know if they'd never bothered spending their time and money making project Camelot happen, and searching out all those people with knowledge to share, and capturing it for all to study.

I for one would be poor indeed, in knowledge, because each interview on Camelot opened a whole new universe to explore and learn about.

I salute them, and continue to offer my support in any way I can, which for right now, is working behind the scenes with a few other dedicated individuals to gather a package the knowledge we have accumulated thus far.

Lots more help is needed.

This may kill two birds with one stone.

I never noticed a donate link. Maybe it should be a header on the forum.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

I never noticed a donate link. Maybe it should be a header on the forum.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/

At the bottom of each page.

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

http://www.projectcamelot.org/

At the bottom of each page.

Thank you for the link. That explains why I never noticed it as I have the forum only bookmarked. I've viewed most of the interviews on youtube.

[Xhaosis]

Well if Camelot stays free, I guess I can use the left side of my brain, to have fun posting all the what if's, and talk about the Aliens and whatnot. Guess I could relax and have fun doing that.. I am sure their will be a influx on that board. then again would be pretty easy to sound insane over there.. Speaking of which where did the ambassador of Zircon Six go? I was outside waiting for the hummingbirds to come by and say hello.. He lied.. They never came.. Duh, never mind that forum will be member based too.. Well I will just sit back and see how the dust settles here on this change.. Who knows maybe I can raid the ole piggy bank. Will miss people like that guy from zircon 6 thou..

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

Thank you for the link. That explains why I never noticed it as I have the forum only bookmarked. I've viewed most of the interviews on youtube.

It never occurred to me that people might not even know about the Camelot website. It's a treasure trove. Go explore. Check the articles in the special reports section on the interviews and reports page. All the interviews can be downloaded from the interviews and reports page.

For free. I have them all, and all the MP3's too. They're in my iPod and I listen all day long. It's a treasure, and all FREE.

[kem]

Hello folks

I think Bill and Kerry should set up a way to sponsor other members who cannot afford to pay a suscription. I guess I'm not the only one who's able to pay and I would be glad to sponsor someone for at least one year.

Are they other members willing to do the same as me?

Is it possible to add this option into the new system of subscription?

Just trying to find a way to satisfy everybody...

Have a nice day, bye

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by kem

Hello folks

I think Bill and Kerry should set up a way to sponsor other members who cannot afford to pay a suscription. I guess I'm not the only one who's able to pay and I would be glad to sponsor someone for at least one year.

Are they other members willing to do the same as me?

Is it possible to add this option into the new system of subscription?

Just trying to find a way to satisfy everybody...

Have a nice day, bye

Very nice of you Kem. Yes, it's already set up to be done. Those asking to be sponsored are kept track of, as are those willing to sponsor another.

Lots of decent people here at Avalon.

[china2012]

If there is cold in our bones, or
If there is hunger reeling a tone
If we wait and hope and persevere
We heads up with no somber tears
We are gracious swans or more
Pearls brimming with roses in a spring


Where is the sunshine? & shadows of situation?
Where there are the walls stand and defense
At where we shall find our own weathervane
A device for indicating one direction
And walk up there to the Master Spring


My dear friend, be with he and she
We are about to sing and weave a song
We breathe the celestial touches
Which chastely kept our spirit
Eternal and blissful
With our clam clarity:
We desire a new reality of existence
One of Love for myself
My love for all mankind &
Full Love for the earth we live on
Let it pass on, & return…


This is a very humble verse with its broken rhythm, my apology for that.
This is one of many standing helping hands, & it knows if you are asleep and cold,
Will bring you a bright white blanket to keep you warm by inches.
Whoever who has a need to be supported, we shall not hesitate or run
Because when all things come to an end and what will remain?
Are only flashes of moments, gleams of light in our memory whenever
we offered hands to other with compassion, then like begets like,
to be our immortal tranquility from summer Master’s Spring,
all will return...



One Point:
A simple wish is, as was written and sent, from a concern not for the amount but the method to be adopted. It should be considerate to cover all from the third worlds which do not use First world currency, and many never saw one, how the system be flexible enough to cover their needs? So they can also offer helping hands which is as anxious as those in needs?

[Dean Plejaren]

See I think that is a serious error. Giving it all out for free on PC. First if it's so much work and costly charging for it is giving it integrity in it's proper place that they are putting energy into it I bet people would be willing to a subscription format of some type for that. If they think it's important got to balance it. Humanity still has access to you don't want to go broke........that's unbalanced and doesn't do a favor.

Avalon on the other hand.....you don't want to charge to communicate here.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

See I think that is a serious error. Giving it all out for free on PC. First if it's so much work and costly charging for it is giving it integrity in it's proper place that they are putting energy into it I bet people would be willing to a subscription format of some type for that. If they think it's important got to balance it. Humanity still has access to you don't want to go broke........that's unbalanced and doesn't do a favor.

Avalon on the other hand.....you don't want to charge to communicate here.

Dean? What DON'T you see as a serious error? I have yet to see the first credible post from you. Why don't you go away?

[dayzero]

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[StClair]

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Dear Friends

my donation leaves Europe to reach Kerry next week

meanwhile here is the spiritual conspiracy at work
if you like you can become a part of it also


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R e a d

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7888

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Peace
M StC.

[Myplanet2]

Very nice indeed. Thanks Michael. We know who we are.

Michael,

You bring light with your presence and many are in dire need of that light right now. Your latest post on Spiritual Conspiracy is much appreciated as a reminder that many are changing energies below the radar in the most important ways. May I share it with others?

MyPlanet 2,

Thank you, I have visited that page and found additional information that was not available on the video interviews from a link in one of the posts on here but never scolled down enough to notice the donation link.

[Myplanet2]

Welcome. I'm here to be of service.

[china2012]

thanks.

Just come up with an idea. Hope this work out.
For those do not have a USD credit card, they can
Wrap it in a magazine and mail out by DHL
The subscription fee will be sent as soon as its recipient address is available

Note:
In order to reach its destination, pls kindly provide:
detailed address
phone contact (required by courier service)
contactee

My apology for it will be sending in Chinese Yuan for our country has tight control on foreign currency exchange. Not sure how to get some USD but will consult one state bank later.

Any other suggestion? you are welcome.

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

I never noticed a donate link. Maybe it should be a header on the forum.

I never noticed the donations button either. A link at the top of this forum is an excellent idea.

[DoctorWho]

Originally Posted by KathyT

My suggestion, is for Project Camelot to use it's moderators and do a fund raising drive like Public Broadcasting stations do it.

That way it is voluntary... and with enough convincing... I think contributions will come in.

Bill and Kerry, please consider this...

Another board I'm on has something similar. Every month that post a goal, (say like $700), and every other day they update it to show how they are doing. Typically there are rallies to get it up if it's low within 10 days of the end of the month.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Tamarie]

Adam K, thanks for starting this thread, and I'm sorry if I offend some in writing this, but I need to say it:

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There's nothing wrong with the subscription amount that Bill and Kerry are asking for! Why are some members trying to find other alternatives? I don't think anything needs to be changed. C'mon everyone - $1 per month, is ONLY 25c a week.

25c A WEEK

It's hardly worth fussing about. Let's be realistic here!

BTW, I understand that money can be tight for some, I really do, because I have been in that situation myself - with a dying child and minimal to no income - but who CAN'T afford 25c a week? If you can afford to read this on the internet, then you can afford 25c a week.

Who cares whether it's for Camelot or Avalon - it's for Bill and Kerry, and whether they use our 25c a week for food, or travel, or to pay bills - it really doesn't matter, because we OWE it to them.

Gosh, I can't believe how big of a deal some members are making this.

[DaveR]

I posted this on the 'other' thread about this, but here it is again...

Dear friends:

I read this whole thread and have a couple ideas for fund raising.

1. Pay by the post. If you have something good to say, pop 50 cents to put it up. This will cut down on the trolls and one word comments, which are cute (not the trolls) but really not all that useful. Thereby the quality of commentary goes up and the detritus goes down. If you are seeking information, can't you pay 50 cents? People spend more on a phone call and then to only one source. So you pay to post your question, gather a bunch of private replies (direct e-mails, for instance) and post a cumulative response. Whew, a whole dollar and you've given HUGE, HUGE to the community here. Then go back to lurking.

2. Visit Red Ice Creations. They have a subscription model that I think works well. This would be for PC. The first half of the interview is free and the second is by subscription. The financially strapped people (me) get a bunch of good information free and those who can pay get more. Yeah, I know, "He who has, gets...". It's not exactly fair, but what is?

I agree with those who say the value of this forum is the members, but not every post has value for many. I saw one post in this thread that contained a single period. No value there!

Bandwidth is not free. Travel is not free. Neither are cameras, tape, editing systems, hotels, rental cars, meals, and all the rest. We will need to contribute financially somehow, or the thing cannot continue.

2 ideas @ 2 cents each - 4 cents please!

Dave

[Dean Plejaren]

Tamarie,

It isn't so much the amount, it's the entire hassle and concept of paid subscription and all the baggage that it brings. And the principle of having to pay to post to give information and communicate is really unappealing.

I think this is what has really happened they want to get rid of everyone bill said himself there is too many people around not enough room for everyone only certain people who are willing to pay.

This is a calculated move done by them for a specific reason but I'm not sure it has to do with running out of money as there is other ways to raise funds to keep it going.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

Tamarie,

It isn't so much the amount, it's the entire hassle and concept of paid subscription and all the baggage that it brings. And the principle of having to pay to post to give information and communicate is really unappealing.

Thats the hard choice about all this. We got past that though, it has been made. Now subscription is coming, dont know when yet, but depending on implementation timescales, everyone of the members here will need to decide for themselves if they feel it is within them to find the money (and there are some creative ideas discussed about to help people with financial hardship get a subscription) - reading is still free remember. The decision can be delayed - so people not confident to make the upfront commitment - need not until they are ready.

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

I think this is what has really happened they want to get rid of everyone bill said himself there is too many people around not enough room for everyone only certain people who are willing to pay.

Why would you kill your customers - assuming thats what you think they are.

This forum has room for over double the membership so why would anyone be thinking about reducing the people? It doesn't make any sense at all.

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

I'm not sure it has to do with running out of money as there is other ways to raise funds to keep it going.

I am telling you, that according to what I know, and what I know in MY heart, they are telling the truth about running out of money.

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