supreme court ruling on obama's elig. for presidency

[THE eXchanger]

Nov. 18, 2008
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

(SEE BELOW)


Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.


A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."


What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.


Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and cast their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.


The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.


The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.


Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:


· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost an hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, afte which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, sh forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

DOCKET FOR 08-570

No. 08-570
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
Lafayette Hill, PA 09867
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.

Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

Something doesn't look right here Nov 3 2008 - denied by Justice Souter?

[Ali Quadir]

Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....

[Fredkc]

First....
Gee... nice cartoon! but meaningless.
To begin with, go down to the bottom of the picture. You will see the following, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS DOCUMENT".

Now, take a look approx. 1 inch above the word "THIS" You will see a small smudgy "something". What that is, is ink bleeding through from the backside of the document. What was stamped there (squint hard, read backwards) was "Nov 6, 2007".

The requirements for getting one of those issued are not the same as what's called a "vault copy" of the document.

To see what an Original Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like, circa 1963 click here.

Second...
Obama's birthplace is also not the issue.

At issue is the fact his mother married an Indonesian citizen, and she, and her children became citizens of Indonesia. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships at the time. Did not allow them until Nov. of 1996. Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971.

In order for Obama's US citizenship to be re-instated he must have re-affirmed it. Whether he ever did this, or not, becomes unclear if he traveled to Pakistan in 1982 (age 22) under an Indonesian passport.

So far, Obama has not provided one straight answer. In fact, he has done everything he can to keep from having to answer at all.

If you think this is about partisanship, I wrote in Ron Paul's name for President this time, the same as I did in 2004. In my opinion, the bogus choice of whether to vote for Obama or McCain, foisted on the people, was about as relevant, and meaningful as deciding which ear to stick the gun in, when blowing your brains out.

[Fredkc]

Now, after a few deep breaths....

Supremes to review Barack's citizenship

By Bob Unruh

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen." [more...]
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What this may result in, is a Supreme Court ruling handing this case back to the lower courts, and ordering them to hear the evidence, the citizen's lack of standing to bring suit notwithstanding.

Finally, there is a venue where a citizen does have standing to bring such a suit, and that is before State Supreme Courts. Here they can bring suit forcing the State's registrar of voters to withold submitting their electoral votes to the Federal Govt, until a candidate can show proof they are eligible for the office.

Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect. This does not occur until the Electoral College meets, collects and counts all the delegate's votes from the states. This does not occur until Dec. 15th.

Such suits are ongoing in California, Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.

[Humble Janitor]

Get over it already.

This is all I have to say.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....

You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

Orion, I know this is how YOU feel, but I'm calling out others on their motivations.

[motov]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

i see yer point Orion, and agree, as a Norwegian that rely dont care who get in office, because they are all puppets of the same master so...
i have been trough some of the materials in case of Obama..... and if he get a fair trial he will not become the new president of US, but if Puppetmaster is on his side it will be fabricated before the ruling of court, in the nick of time as a drama act...

conclusion: if he win hes a puppet and if he lose he truly is the man for the people but wont be able to show it....so maybe it was all planed as a fail safe....

[unlimited mind]

thank you eXchanger for keeping us updated with the breaking news. i have not been scrolling around very much lately, and have been out of the loop around here and elsewhere for well over a month.

keep up your beautiful work!

[GoingToFast]

I must confess, I thought this was a bogus claim about Obama not being an American citizen but after reading this I admit that there is some substance to this.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.

Ah, Hillary then.

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Ah, Hillary then.

Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak

Orion, you are the one not reading between the lines here. These women do not deny being Hillary supporters...nor are they admitting it either, because they lose credibility. They are not saying that all politicians are evil, just Obama. Because they are bitter over Hillary. It helps to understand where the motivation is coming from. They are not on the same page as you.

[freekatz]

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go

[Myra]

Originally Posted by freekatz

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go

Hahaha! Cool answer freekatz!

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by freekatz

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go

Remember the Rodney King verdict well now picture those riots across the U.S. a sure fire way to have Bush stay in office and insitute martial law . If Obama was not born in the U. S. he cannot hold the office this would upset the african American population AND SET OFF A RACE ROIT

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Remember the Rodney King verdict well now picture those riots across the U.S. a sure fire way to have Bush stay in office and insitute martial law . If Obama was not born in the U. S. he cannot hold the office this would upset the african American population AND SET OFF A RACE ROIT

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

Is that so and do you have proof that he was born in Hawaii? Maybe you helped with the delivery . Did you also believe that Bush won both of the previous elections ? And Lets say that you believe that terrorists took down the twin Towers and there is no PTB

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

Did you see Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? If not, then shove it as everything you read online, see in the news, told at work, or dish fed in the classroom can inherently all be hearsay! It's a war on truth out there, and we're your fellow comrades here who just want to find out the truth so stop thinking you know how it is.

And Obama is no one's savior. Go to mirror and look into it, for that's your answer to all the bull **** in the world and who's going to fix it.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Did you see Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? If not, then shove it as everything you read online, see in the news, told at work, or dish fed in the classroom can inherently all be hearsay! It's a war on truth out there, and we're your fellow comrades here who just want to find out the truth so stop thinking you know how it is.

And Obama is no one's savior. Go to mirror and look into it, for that's your answer to all the bull **** in the world and who's going to fix it.

Great answer Gergor yes we are our own Messiah

[Fredkc]

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."

Berg's poorly planned attempts have been largely a waste of time, because the federal courts have ruled 4 out of 4 times that a citizen does not have standing to bring such a suit.

Now, in terms of wrong or right, this positively sucks. It means a citizen has no right to insist the person elected to a job serving him be qualified. But, it is the law. The job of qualifying candidates is given to Congress, along with the authority to delegate the job.

Berg continually insisting his facts are correct was meaningless. T'werent his job to point it out.

Next, we come to another sense of the term "compelling reason". It is standard fare in federal court, that although a plaintiff is found to lack standing, the judge can order the facts of the case to be presented anyway, where the judge determines that the there is a "compelling reason" to hear them, where he suspects they have merit.

This is where we come to the importance of the Dec 1 Supreme Court review of the matter. They can decide that such "compelling reason" exists, hand the matter back to the lower courts and order said federal courts to hear the evidence. Remember that to this point, no court has heard the facts of the case. The entire argument has been over whether or not Berg had standing to file the suit.

The facts of the case aren't in the S. Court's department. They are a court on process, and law, not facts.

If that happens, and no I don't know, but I suspect, Mr. Obama is sunk. Mind you I am basing this on human nature, and little else; but... who goes through a year-long court battle to prevent the facts of a case from being heard, when they are positive that such a hearing will prove the case groundless?

Re. the opinion Obama was "the best candidate we were offered". The way it's p[ut makes me think of baby chicks in a nest, beaks open, waiting for whatever is dropped in their mouth, "knowing" there isn't anything else. What happened to insisting on a genuine choice? What happened to the concept of being the owners of our own freedom, and choice?

Fact is, the coice of Obama vs. McCain was exactly the same as getting to choose whether your daily feeding of horsecrap was vanilla, or strawberry. No more. T'was clear to anyone who did research beyond their hopes, which were never either candidates concern.

Finally:
Change! Gosh, it sounds important. But stepping deeper in the same hole is "change". If the idea is change for the better, wouldn't it have a better standing if it was based upon a different beginning? Like the truth?