1,ooo,ooo to each family was solution!

[ophiuchus]

i ran over a thread here about russ crowes idea to give every u.s. family(only u.s. family) 1,000,000 dollars. not for nothing, the more i think about it, the more i think it might have been the solution. no matter what the final cost. the trillions we're on the hook for now are not only not working, but those moves are designed to make us fail. and if the fed said no, we 'd had a chance to kick them out. this would have had to spread worldwide. the ptb and the nwo would have sustained a big blow which could have led to a lot of other ways of thinking. i want to hear someone refute this, say it wouldn't work, say why, and compare it to our cost now(which isn't over),which could be devastating.

[Steve_A]

Hi ophiuchus,

I can understand the reasoning behind your post. I also think that spending money on something that will not work is wasting money for the sake of it.

However, the problem about giving every family in the US 1, 000, 000 is that it would create an inflation like you will never ave seen before and the million would be worth almost nothing in the end. It would be similar to that African country who's name I don't recall right now where the inflation there is astounding.

I tink the best and only solution is to let the markets take their course. Big buisiness will fail, of course, but this will create new opportunity for new and smaller businesses to succeed.

When your car gets stuck in snow or mud, do you not move the car backwards to then move it forward to try and get out of the rut? Sometimes you have to move one step backwards to move forward.

The problem is that politically there are 'Old Boys Clubs' and everybody is trying to cover the backs of everybody else at the top end. If the US really is the land of opportunity, then the actual, or new government will let the old businesses die and new businesses will be born and will develop with a new mentality, based on mutual help inolving the customer more and respecting more the environment creating a boom (not the bomb type) as never seen before.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

i ran over a thread here about russ crowes idea to give every u.s. family(only u.s. family) 1,000,000 dollars. not for nothing, the more i think about it, the more i think it might have been the solution. no matter what the final cost. the trillions we're on the hook for now are not only not working, but those moves are designed to make us fail. and if the fed said no, we 'd had a chance to kick them out. this would have had to spread worldwide. the ptb and the nwo would have sustained a big blow which could have led to a lot of other ways of thinking. i want to hear someone refute this, say it wouldn't work, say why, and compare it to our cost now(which isn't over),which could be devastating.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

its designed to take us into the 3rd world nothing more.. money is worth nothing..the idea is not to help us but to slowly or now quickly depopulate and get us under control.. the idea may work but we will never get to see if it does.. the only solution is to start again with new money backed by gold

[Treckie]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi ophiuchus,

I can understand the reasoning behind your post. I also think that spending money on something that will not work is wasting money for the sake of it.

However, the problem about giving every family in the US 1, 000, 000 is that it would create an inflation like you will never ave seen before and the million would be worth almost nothing in the end. It would be similar to that African country who's name I don't recall right now where the inflation there is astounding.

I tink the best and only solution is to let the markets take their course. Big buisiness will fail, of course, but this will create new opportunity for new and smaller businesses to succeed.

When your car gets stuck in snow or mud, do you not move the car backwards to then move it forward to try and get out of the rut? Sometimes you have to move one step backwards to move forward.

The problem is that politically there are 'Old Boys Clubs' and everybody is trying to cover the backs of everybody else at the top end. If the US really is the land of opportunity, then the actual, or new government will let the old businesses die and new businesses will be born and will develop with a new mentality, based on mutual help inolving the customer more and respecting more the environment creating a boom (not the bomb type) as never seen before.

Best regards,

Steve

The country you are thinking about my friend is Zimbabwe, with Robert Mugabe as President.

Wouldn't it be easier for the rich to give back the money they have stolen of the years back to the poor?

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi ophiuchus,

I can understand the reasoning behind your post. I also think that spending money on something that will not work is wasting money for the sake of it.

However, the problem about giving every family in the US 1, 000, 000 is that it would create an inflation like you will never ave seen before and the million would be worth almost nothing in the end. It would be similar to that African country who's name I don't recall right now where the inflation there is astounding.

I tink the best and only solution is to let the markets take their course. Big buisiness will fail, of course, but this will create new opportunity for new and smaller businesses to succeed.

When your car gets stuck in snow or mud, do you not move the car backwards to then move it forward to try and get out of the rut? Sometimes you have to move one step backwards to move forward.

The problem is that politically there are 'Old Boys Clubs' and everybody is trying to cover the backs of everybody else at the top end. If the US really is the land of opportunity, then the actual, or new government will let the old businesses die and new businesses will be born and will develop with a new mentality, based on mutual help inolving the customer more and respecting more the environment creating a boom (not the bomb type) as never seen before.

Best regards,

Steve

Last paragraph well said Steve... what do you think is the new way to exchange?

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi ophiuchus,

I can understand the reasoning behind your post. I also think that spending money on something that will not work is wasting money for the sake of it.

However, the problem about giving every family in the US 1, 000, 000 is that it would create an inflation like you will never ave seen before and the million would be worth almost nothing in the end. It would be similar to that African country who's name I don't recall right now where the inflation there is astounding.

I tink the best and only solution is to let the markets take their course. Big buisiness will fail, of course, but this will create new opportunity for new and smaller businesses to succeed.

When your car gets stuck in snow or mud, do you not move the car backwards to then move it forward to try and get out of the rut? Sometimes you have to move one step backwards to move forward.

The problem is that politically there are 'Old Boys Clubs' and everybody is trying to cover the backs of everybody else at the top end. If the US really is the land of opportunity, then the actual, or new government will let the old businesses die and new businesses will be born and will develop with a new mentality, based on mutual help inolving the customer more and respecting more the environment creating a boom (not the bomb type) as never seen before.

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I instantly dismissed the idea of a million bucks per person on inflationary grounds too, but after thinking about it for a while, there is a way around that.

Since most mechanisms of our investment banking system are artificial anyway, the solution would be to institute price controls. Now, if you gave every person in the United States a million bucks, it would take a couple of decades of price controls to prevent companies from charging a thousand dollars for a gallon of milk. But, if you cut a check to U.S. families for say, $100,000, and instituted price controls for five years, that might work. Most will be out of money in five years (purchasing of cars, paying off that default mortage, credit cards, etc.), and therefore Prairie Farms, if they wanted to make money in the post-price control era, could not charge that thousand bucks for a gallon of milk. Price controls would be the key to another major stimulus package to the people. Then you would hear CEOs screaming about fairness and freedom! HA! Inflation is artificial, and can therefore be stopped.

[Steve_A]

Hi historycircus,

Price control has been practiced here in Brazil some years ago to try and combat raging inflation. It didn't work out too well.

Thank goodness Brazil went through hyperinflation and came out from it the other side. Perhaps later on the US could take a page out of their book. It's all at this link:

http://www.econ.puc-rio.br/gfranco/H...rinflation.htm

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by historycircus

Hi Steve,

I instantly dismissed the idea of a million bucks per person on inflationary grounds too, but after thinking about it for a while, there is a way around that.

Since most mechanisms of our investment banking system are artificial anyway, the solution would be to institute price controls. Now, if you gave every person in the United States a million bucks, it would take a couple of decades of price controls to prevent companies from charging a thousand dollars for a gallon of milk. But, if you cut a check to U.S. families for say, $100,000, and instituted price controls for five years, that might work. Most will be out of money in five years (purchasing of cars, paying off that default mortage, credit cards, etc.), and therefore Prairie Farms, if they wanted to make money in the post-price control era, could not charge that thousand bucks for a gallon of milk. Price controls would be the key to another major stimulus package to the people. Then you would hear CEOs screaming about fairness and freedom! HA! Inflation is artificial, and can therefore be stopped.

[ophiuchus]

i think some may have missed my point. all these trillions are already being given to bankers and corps. which will be to no avail. if we're going to be on the hook the money should be in our pockets, not theirs. i'll take my chances with my money. for awhile we wouldn't need banks. great idea uhhhhh...! the fed would then be out of luck and we could tell them to take a hike,we don't need you anymore. oh yea, and that money you say we owe you , sue us. while the rest of the world is being collapsed by them this would buy us time to evolve our system, and figure out how to avert a totalitarian enslavement by khazarian zionists. because as long as they live we are all at risk.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

i think some may have missed my point. all these trillions are already being given to bankers and corps. which will be to no avail. if we're going to be on the hook the money should be in our pockets, not theirs. i'll take my chances with my money. for awhile we wouldn't need banks. great idea uhhhhh...! the fed would then be out of luck and we could tell them to take a hike,we don't need you anymore. oh yea, and that money you say we owe you , sue us. while the rest of the world is being collapsed by them this would buy us time to evolve our system, and figure out how to avert a totalitarian enslavement by khazarian zionists. because as long as they live we are all at risk.

hmmmmm

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

i think some may have missed my point. all these trillions are already being given to bankers and corps. which will be to no avail. if we're going to be on the hook the money should be in our pockets, not theirs. i'll take my chances with my money. for awhile we wouldn't need banks. great idea uhhhhh...! the fed would then be out of luck and we could tell them to take a hike,we don't need you anymore. oh yea, and that money you say we owe you , sue us. while the rest of the world is being collapsed by them this would buy us time to evolve our system, and figure out how to avert a totalitarian enslavement by khazarian zionists. because as long as they live we are all at risk.

Ophiuchus... You are a hero! A forgotten sign of the times who's time is coming soon, literally (days). A slice of the pie to open up worlds anew.

What better way than to hold the cards ourselves instead of waiting for the elites to divy up the left over pittance. Line your pockets with Knowledge and grow a wealth that no one can take, tax, or terminate. Knowledge does include independent food, water, shelter, transport, communications, and whatever else an individual contemplates within their own ability to participate in and with.

[KassandraLoves]

Here here! Give the dang money to the people. Why? Cuz guess what!? Lots of us would probably pay our bills!!!!! And who do we owe money to? Lets see here:

G.E. Money bank
Wells Fargo
Capital One
HSBC
AIG
Wachovia

...the list goes on...But the thing is, they ALREADY all get a ton of the peoples' money! Every dang month they get our money! So, give it to us, and guess what most of us will do with it? PAY THEM. We would pay off our debts. No more bad debts and charge offs. Etc etc...

And if we dont pay our bills with it? 20" rims and flat screens for everyone! But even then, we'd be consumers spending our money in the markets! Buying cars, buying groceries, buying whatever.

BOOM. economy stimulated. ME FOR PRESIDENT!

Sorry, I just have rather strong feelings about this whole bailout thing. Im so frustrated with the fact that we are ALREADY giving our money every month to thse banks and now? The government forced us to give them even more. The town is a blaze and the only un-scorched earth belongs to the banks now. As they walk away with their golden parachutes and pocket our money and our kids' money and our kids' kids' money.

EFF. EFF, EFF, EFF. **phew** rant over....Maybe I just really want a million dollars....

~Kassandra

P.S. Crud. I said both package and stimulated in the same post. heh heh heh.

[THE eXchanger]

with that kind of kundalini rising ka$$andra,
you will likely get into the line up for the 1,000,000'S twice
and, figure out how to get in a third time

brightest blessing$

SuSan

[Dantheman62]

HaHa you're funny KassandraLoves!!! I like your humor!

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by KassandraLoves

Here here! Give the dang money to the people. Why? Cuz guess what!? Lots of us would probably pay our bills!!!!! And who do we owe money to? Lets see here:

G.E. Money bank
Wells Fargo
Capital One
HSBC
AIG
Wachovia

...the list goes on...But the thing is, they ALREADY all get a ton of the peoples' money! Every dang month they get our money! So, give it to us, and guess what most of us will do with it? PAY THEM. We would pay off our debts. No more bad debts and charge offs. Etc etc...

And if we dont pay our bills with it? 20" rims and flat screens for everyone! But even then, we'd be consumers spending our money in the markets! Buying cars, buying groceries, buying whatever.

BOOM. economy stimulated. ME FOR PRESIDENT!

Sorry, I just have rather strong feelings about this whole bailout thing. Im so frustrated with the fact that we are ALREADY giving our money every month to thse banks and now? The government forced us to give them even more. The town is a blaze and the only un-scorched earth belongs to the banks now. As they walk away with their golden parachutes and pocket our money and our kids' money and our kids' kids' money.

EFF. EFF, EFF, EFF. **phew** rant over....Maybe I just really want a million dollars....

~Kassandra

P.S. Crud. I said both package and stimulated in the same post. heh heh heh.

Wooo Whoooo

[RFburns]

If managed right, a million bucks could make millions quit their jobs too. Hence what kind of stimulation would that be to the overall economic wheel?

We would end up being a nation of couch patatoes expecting someone else to go clean up the dog poo off the front yard lawn...and guess what..no one will be there to do that even since everyone would have a million bucks.

Yep..it would be one big pile of dog poo in the end....or out the end.


Cheers!!!!

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

i ran over a thread here about russ crowes idea to give every u.s. family(only u.s. family) 1,000,000 dollars. not for nothing, the more i think about it, the more i think it might have been the solution. no matter what the final cost. the trillions we're on the hook for now are not only not working, but those moves are designed to make us fail. and if the fed said no, we 'd had a chance to kick them out. this would have had to spread worldwide. the ptb and the nwo would have sustained a big blow which could have led to a lot of other ways of thinking. i want to hear someone refute this, say it wouldn't work, say why, and compare it to our cost now(which isn't over),which could be devastating.

There we go!

[David]

To quote Steve on inflation with a picture from history...

Inflation 1923/24: a woman feeds her tiled stove with money.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by David

To quote Steve on inflation with a picture from history...

Inflation 1923/24: a woman feeds her tiled stove with money.

The future looks beautiful doesn't it
It is VERY symbolic

[Orion Morris]

sammytray...

If you want to distroy the system then why even waste your time dealing with money? Why give people a million dollars? It would never happen... This arguement is about as logical as saying "I am going to save myself by flying to the clouds and living with the care bears."

If you wanted to create a discussion about getting rid of the system then why did you ask people to do all that math?

It doesnt make sense... Just say f**k it, we dont need money start living without it right now

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

sammytray...

If you want to distroy the system then why even waste your time dealing with money? Why give people a million dollars? It would never happen... This arguement is about as logical as saying "I am going to save myself by flying to the clouds and living with the care bears."

If you wanted to create a discussion about getting rid of the system then why did you ask people to do all that math?

It doesnt make sense... Just say f**k it, we dont need money start living without it right now

All that math?

As always orion your comments are appreciated. However, you use to many words that I do not agree with like "distroy", "arguement", "doesnt", "dont",

" I am going to save myself by flying to the clouds and living with the care bears" Hmmm why the sarcasm??

Do I offend you?
Do you feel better that you told me you think this thread is a waste?

My friend, as I said before... I am seeking to "know" just like you. My intentions are good.

I have read your threads and enjoy what you contribute. I understand you DO NOT like this thread... Okay... have a nice day

[Orion Morris]

Ok..... I am sorry..... You know how I feel... guess I am not going to change your mind... have a good day too!!!

Originally Posted by sammytray

All that math?

As always orion your comments are appreciated. However, you use to many words that I do not agree with like "distroy", "arguement", "doesnt", "dont",

" I am going to save myself by flying to the clouds and living with the care bears" Hmmm why the sarcasm??

Do I offend you?
Do you feel better that you told me you think this thread is a waste?

My friend, as I said before... I am seeking to "know" just like you. My intentions are good.

I have read your threads and enjoy what you contribute. I understand you DO NOT like this thread... Okay... have a nice day

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Ok..... I am sorry..... You know how I feel... guess I am not going to change your mind... have a good day too!!!

look at all the "good guy" stuff you just wrote!!!

Look forward to reading your views for we are all one in the same.

you are right noone can change someone's mind. Why attempt to change it in the first place? It ALL makes sense, even the theory of giving every american a million dollars. Its the contemplation that holds the truth.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

paper money will be obselete by 2011 id say..

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

paper money will be obselete by 2011 id say..

what do you think will be the means of eXchange?

[371]

Originally Posted by sammytray

what do you think will be the means of eXchange?

Food, booze, and guns....

I don't know. I really hope not.