Universal Service for ages 18-25

[ChooseYourLifeNow]

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.

[Waterman]

This idea would make a good Scot laugh, this has nothing to do with taking the high ground.

Compulsory service is immoral, unconstitutional, and not morally lawful.

[371]

Three months? Shiit I'd SIGN UP for that!

I don't think it should be compulsory though, if they offered some incentives and didn't require chipping or any vaccinations, etc. I'd probably sign up.

The thing that kept me from joining the military was I didn't like signing years of my life away and being trapped on some base somewhere. I like going home at the end of the day

[Ali Quadir]

Originally Posted by Waterman

This idea would make a good Scot laugh, this has nothing to do with taking the high ground.

Compulsory service is immoral, unconstitutional, and not morally lawful.

And on the other hand most countries when they draft you it is to teach you to handle guns and explosives. With bald men screaming obscenities at you. Which incidentally also happens to be a place where long term friendships are formed between different levels of society. Where people are taught to be "do'ers". That pulls so many out of a negative spiral. I'm against the draft. I was from a group that had the choice. They were interested in me I told them and have always told that if it were something without the inherent violence I'd do it.

I agree that this should not be compulsory. It should be something that people choose to do with all the positive things the army has to offer. If only half the population would do it for a few months then that would give so many benefits. Not only to getting the nation in prime condition. But also to be a rite of passage like service has always been. It can end up giving more than it takes.

If my country had offered me this possibility I would have taken it.

But I repeat, this should not be compulsory. If it is I agree with the sentiment here that it will eventually change into something far more sinister.

[ChooseYourLifeNow]

In case you all didn't realize Rahm Emanuel is Obama's new chief of staff...

[Dean Plejaren]

More obamamania

[AndyH]

This all harks back to "rebuilding americas defenses" (PNAC), if they can't get enough from Mexico then they'll force them in.
Obama is the same old story with a different face.

Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were the only genuine people I could see amongst all the nominees.
The rest were all bought and paid for a long time ago. It's just a puppet show.

[Mike_Jetson]

3 months sounds like something fun to do between college years. It doesnt sound too bad but when you consider where this message comes from is where your suspicions kick in.

Here in the UK its a fact that staff such as parking wardens have been told they may be required to help out in case of emergencies.

Obama wants a youth bridage. To me its all about getting as many people as possible into an authority position. Hypothetically a false flag emergency happens and all of the people who have been trained start their new job in keeping order. My current thoughts on it anyway

[AndyH]

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson

Hypothetically a false flag emergency happens and all of the people who have been trained start their new job in keeping order.

Yup, got it in one m8y.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson

3 months sounds like something fun to do between college years.

Yes, as long as everything is quiet on the Frontier..

The Stop Loss Policy

National Guard and Army Reserve members are also affected by the ongoing Stop Loss Policy, which allows the Pentagon to keep soldiers whose enlistment is due to expire in order to maintain troop strength and unit integrity. The restrictions bar voluntary separations and retirements for soldiers in designated units beginning 90 days before deployment until 90 days after their units return to their home stations. Specifically, "the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States." A Stop Loss order for National Guard and Reserve units activated for the war against terrorism has been in effect since November 2002. Army officials announced June 1 the latest Active Army Stop Loss/Stop Movement Program for active Army units preparing for deployment overseas in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom remains in effect.

A lawsuit, Doe v. Rumsfeld, was filed against the Stop Loss Policy in August of 2004 in federal court in San Francisco on behalf of an Army recruit who served nine years on active duty, most recently in Iraq. The plaintiff is currently a reservist in the California National Guard. The suit contends that the plaintiff only signed up for one year, and that the stop loss could force him "to return to Iraq for up to two years, and possible continued military service beyond that time." Some critics have referred to the Stop Loss policy as a "backdoor draft."

http://www.pbs.org/now/society/natguard.html

[whalerider]

Originally Posted by ChooseYourLifeNow

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.

I respectively disagree with you. Isn't it the me, me, me times that have ruled our country since the '80's that most of us are hoping to change to 'us, us, us? I am old enough to remember when the United States had a Civil Defense system. I remember hearing the siren and getting under my little school desk to protect myself from the scary Russians! I am tired of fear and negativity being 'gleened' out of every new idea.

As to Civil Defense, there was a time when everyday Americans stepped up to learn how to direct and perform under times of national distress. The young people on this planet today are, for the most part, truly extraordinary and I would gladly follow their 'tutored' lead. This is not Germany in the l930's and 40's. We are creating our futures at a very fast pace and young vibrant leaders are welcome in place of the stodgy current regime. I would bet that our young people would be excited to be invited into the possibilities of making real differences and helping in any way they can.

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by ChooseYourLifeNow

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.

This isn't even the tip of the iceberg of what these creatures have in store for the last days of America.

[Dantheman62]

I think it wouldn't be so bad, maybe they would learn something about civil defense, instead of learning how to tap a keg, or do beer bongs. LOL!

[AndyH]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I think it wouldn't be so bad, maybe they would learn something about civil defense, instead of learning how to tap a keg, or do beer bongs. LOL!

They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by AndyH

They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.

Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.

There are a lot of behavior patterns from which people say that would do other people some good! Make them all mandatory?

Do them some good, is to learn to volunteer for it...
But mandatory? It is just placing another group of society under direct or indirect command of Ceasar and then at his discretion..

[Dantheman62]

HaHa, the funny thing is, if it was voluntary nobody would show up!

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

HaHa, the funny thing is, if it was voluntary nobody would show up!

So why the stealing of lifetime (The real Wealth of people.) from one (Without paying for it.) and then redistribution of the efforts milked out of that stolen lifetime to others?

Making/enforcing a law, doesn't make it 'good".. It only makes it lawful.

There is quite a cold shill surrounding your aura Dan.
Work for the Man?

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by TranceAm

So why the stealing of lifetime (The real Wealth of people.) from one (Without paying for it.) and then redistribution of the efforts milked out of that stolen lifetime to others?

Making/enforcing a law, doesn't make it 'good".. It only makes it lawful.

There is quite a cold shill surrounding your aura Dan.
Work for the Man?

No HaHa, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with working for the man, so to speak, but it's only 3 months and young people are soft these days, they need to get their hands dirty for their community. My aura is nice and warm and fuzzy, oh wait, that's the blanket wrapped around me. lol!

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

No HaHa, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with working for the man, so to speak, but it's only 3 months and young people are soft these days, they need to get their hands dirty for their community. My aura is nice and warm and fuzzy, oh wait, that's the blanket wrapped around me. lol!

Where do you get that young people are "soft" these days?
I had just one member of my family leave for Iraq in spite of being promised to never being send there... I think with the Info at hand, it is not that intelligent, but "soft" I can't call a man that makes a decision to serve his country. And there are many like him.
Others don't go and serve, are they "soft"? Are they less "Manly"?

"They need to get their hands dirty for their community?"
Where do you get these ideas?

Where is it stated in the contract between Country and Population, that the duties of a United States Citizen is getting dirty hands for their community?
Why is that community sitting on their thumbs and not preparing for any and every thing themselves?
What about politicians not enforcing war or their ideas of "Freedom" on others, so them young clean handed people aren't forced into situations they should never be in?
What about them politicians who want to put everything on the Free Market because that could do the jobs much better? Yes it does everything much better but at a higher price then slaves that can't say no!
And it is sad, when a population has nothing else to offer to the altar of government then their children to slavelabor to get things done.. Or enforcing the cost of their spending habits on the children of their children because they couldn't say no to their government.

"Yes we can" + "Believe in Change"
It is a free country, you can believe in any and everything.
Although according to the first the Government isn't allowed to start a religion!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, ...."

Ok, The abyss, is just after that hollow tree to the left.. Just keep going.

[ghglenn]

Hitler Youth?

[davefla73]

Originally Posted by ghglenn

Hitler Youth?

i was about to say the same thing! but the where in better shape then ours are lol.

[minimeister]

I haven't heard anyone bring up yet that the proposed volunteer force is a remade perversion of the constitutional militia. Remade because the stated purpose of the Obama squad is exactly what the original intent of the militia was. Perverted because while the constitutional militia promotes true community strength and independence the new initiative is designed to enslave. Otherwise why would they not use the original mechanism?

[clarkkent]

are people seriously defending this??

even neocons and bush didnt MAKE you join, im not an obama hater but this guy Rahm is a serious pro isreal warhawk (asked by tim russert if he'd vote for the war even knowing thered be a huge loss of life and there were no weapons of mass destruction, he said "yes")

politics as usual, all administrations suck--- universal service would be one step more towrds fascism, not thanks rahm.

[clarkkent]

"basic training, civil defense preparation" use your common sense, just because the article doesnt state weapons, what bootcamp basic training have you heard of doesnt inclue that...you couldnt "find it"...huh?

he's sugar coating all this garbage--in israel they dont have you join the military without training in weapons etc.

its military bootcamp folks, look beyond the brainwashing language.

im really blown away people on this forum are trying to defend this just because it comes from obama's camp.

ask yourself if youd like to be FORCED to learn how to shoot weapons, truly the brainwashing in this country is all pervasive. wow.