The Shift

[Evolution22]

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

[purplesage]

the real question is, WHY does someone do these (or any other) addictive behaviors? answer that, & you're halfway there.

[freekatz]

Hopefully as we rise up to higher levels the urges will no longer be there.

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

Can I ask what your definition of a drinker is. Do you refer to one who drinks in excess or someone who enjoys a glass of wine or a beer with a friend?



My personal view is that if you drink in excess or do drugs to escape reality, you are probably in danger of missing the experience because you are not going to be in the right "place" to ascend.

I know smoking is bad for you and I don't smoke but I can't imagine that because you do you won't be included.

I enjoy the odd "bud" but try not to over indulge and I have been experiencing some wonderful things since i have begun the awakening process. Hope I can still join you all!!

Cheers!!!

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[Evolution22]

I'm convinced this is a hard question.

WHO is the judge on what is too much pot smoking? or too much sipping on wine? Or are you done if you do anything?


The person sipping on one class of wine is thinking the same as the person pounding 30 beers every night. They both feel its o.k.

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[Evolution22]

But how do you know? Have you ever been a lush?

See this is too complicated.


Better off just not doing anything. So no more coffee! lol

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[Jonah]

You convinced me hippie.
We're in.

[Operator]

Hi,

If I am not mistaken David Wilcock even said that 'consumers' (whatever that group may be) restrain themselves from a
proper development of the pineal gland. (2012 enigma video).

So the point is: don't consider yourself automatically within a group by defining a new external group that you can yourself exclude from.

Many people around consider themselves enlightened by having a bit more insight. However the majority is just going on with their lives
as "business as usual" and make no changes at all.

I think a lot of people are going to miss the opportunity ... (if there is one at all)

Although I am trying very hard to make significant changes I consider myself not even to be 50% ready ...

Good luck and lots of success to you all ..

[SIR GALAHAD]

Originally Posted by WineHippie

here is MY rationalization:

I quit hard alcohol a longgg time ago, but now I sip wine, not too frequently...
I quit smoking processed ciggies a longgg time ago, but now I smoke rollies, a couple a day.
I quit any kind of chemical drug a longgg time ago, but now I smoke doobies.
I would "do" mescaline or psyllicybin if I could find a trusted source, but haven't in a longgg time.
I figure these things are from the earth and my spirit can process... especially if I partake with respect.

I think anything in extreme brings unwanted results, and most things in moderation are okay.

I do not believe I will be trapped in the 3rd dimension.

Did I convince anyone else, or just my self?

no hippie your bang on ive taken drugs many times for many years all part of my wallk had some bad times and some very good times and i wouldnt change a thing learnt alot and had some very telepathic times on them those that have used no where im coming from i proberley no quite a few people that should take some might make them better people and expand their awareness .

[Myra]

Originally Posted by SIR GALAHAD

...quite a few people that should take some might make them better people and expand their awareness .

Hahaha no kidding apparently and maybe they should just relax and have a beer or a wine once in awhile and find out that everything will be just fine.

[Luigis Mushroom]

Giving up earthly urges is part of the process. It doesn't mean you can't do things, just that in order to experience wholeness with the universe, these urges need to be let go.

[Heretic]

the abuse you put your body through can indeed limit its potential

and that potential can limit the capacity for a higher resonance

so yes it does directly effect you during these times

yet IMHO this is such a small in infinitesimal thing and it is the mind's connection to the spirit that mainly determines your vibratory rate

If you ever get to a point that it is holding you back, then by design it will be simple to quit because all it takes is the desire to quit in the first place, the rest is downhill

The only thing I would really worry about is how hard it will be if you can no longer have access to your particular vice and are forced to quit cold turkey

this could be important times you will face and detox or withdraw will defiantly play a role in your tolerance and state of mind

quitting now while you have Nicotine patches and professional help is a smart move, but not absolutely necessary

one other thing, some people have high enough resonance and such a high vibratory rate, that they can do these vices without harm to themselves at all due to the momentum they have attained. Any possible effects simply cannot take hold in the body because it is an unsuitable environment for such negativity to take root in

my two cents

I drink coffee, smoke cigarettes and have a wine or beer when I go out, and I'm on meds for my bi-polar and associated other disorders.

I would presume that it would be up to the Supreme Creator whether I shift or not - it is hard to shift my butt though. I love you all. big hugs from tuza.

[islandman]

If drinking to much was going to be a hindrance to ascension then there would'nt be anybody from Ireland there on the 4th or 5th dimension. Now come on people, we know that wont happen, sure what fun would that be.

[Evolution22]

I think a little alky helps open the pineal gland, but I think too much closes it.

[Fun 4U Leader]

Originally Posted by Princess Mew Mew

Lol that's a very good point. Thank you so much~!

Princess,

Good questions!

Lets think about this. If you are missing an arm, or leg, a kidney, or both breasts, are you still going to make ascension? Of course you will. Or, I should probably say that truthfully, it will not have any affect on ascension one way or the other. You may find those parts are no longer missing if you get a new body on the other side, don't you think? I am sure there are those who would really love to see some of that lost hair on their bald head come back with that new body, ha!

Could these physical things affect your consciousness level? Yes, if you let it. So, I tend to think these physical things might have an effect on the ease or speed of your consciousness preparation, but no effect whatsoever on the graduation.

Instead of asking if implants will prevent you from experiencing ascension, you might better ask yourself, "Is the breast implants going to still be there after ascension?" Maybe they will become part of your real breasts. If they don't change size much, that might work for you too. If the implants are still there, will they be the same as now? Or, will they be BIGGER, lots bigger, or smaller than now? How do you think the vibrational increase will affect them? I don't know. Seriously though, I kind of file those type questions under the category of "non-issue."

I would really not worry about it if I were you. My personal opinion is that the implants won't be there when you get there. The breast implants will have been left behind along with your hair implants, piercings, fingernail extensions, wooden leg, pace maker, the screws and pins keeping your broken bones in place, and whatever else was artificially attached sometime in the past. I would not be surprised if you graduate taking nothing but a diploma and a smile. See what I am getting at? But, as much as this makes sense to me, it has no basis in fact and is my opinion ONLY!


The same thing goes for what you eat, smoke, drink, or rub in your skin, etc. It may effect the ease or speed of your consciousness preparation, but it will have no effect on the graduation.

There is NO physical requirements that I am aware of to make ascension. It is passing the "consciousness" grade which gets you graduated, not anything physical now, or from your past history. Period!

For anyone to say that if you are "doing" this or "taking" that, you won't make ascension, they are placing judgment on you. You get to judge yourself after this life. No one gets to judge you in this life and condemn you to 3d density for your physical actions. Anyone who says anything along that line is, hopefully, only giving you their opinion on how your physical actions effect your "preparations" for ascension, and not actually judging you. To actually judge you only shows their ignorance of the karmic consequences.

That being said, the logical next thought is, will you be taking your addictions with you into ascension? Most likely not. I seriously believe you won't need them or want them. You will be on such a high just experiencing all the wonderful changes that come along with ascension that they will pale in comparison.

If you are a party animal now, you may find it harder to be one on the other side of ascension. Instead of finding joy in rocking the boat, you may find just as much joy in maintaining an even keel. But again, that's just my opinion.

Hope this helps.

Peace and love.

[Rocky_Shorz]

awwww man,

When I heard Red Wine prevents radiation poisoning, I went out and bought a few dozen cases...

Ya mean if I drink it I won't be able to go on the field trip?

Let me give you a hint, Jesus had wine at his last meal, and he had no problem crossing over...

[Evolution22]

I love you as I do everyone but you hijacked the thread mew mew! Off thread topic. 1 post is o.k. then after that you PM but any more is hijacking. This is basic forum rules. Where are the moderators??

The moderators are right here! The off-topic posts have been removed and the original poster warned.

Moderation Team

[Princess Mew Mew]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

I love you as I do everyone but you hijacked the thread mew mew! Off thread topic. 1 post is o.k. then after that you PM but any more is hijacking. This is basic forum rules. Where are the moderators??

The name of this thread is "The Shift". The moderators are always around. If they saw a problem with my showing of open gratitude for opinions on my question then I'm sure they would've done something about it. Besides, the topic hasn't changed and it wasn't my intentions for it to. I knew my question was a bit off but I figured it harmless, seems to be so far eh? I have not started any arguments or any negativity.

Everyone is still discussing the main topic of this thread. Do you think I'm wasting space? Perhaps my questions have helped others? I hope that you can let this go and keep your focus. I wish you the best

[Evolution22]

This thread is about drugs and alky not fake boobs. You hijacked the thread. Now Its all about fake boobs not drugs/alky and ascension. This is what PM is for! So you don't hijack a thread!

be well and love

[Rocky_Shorz]

do you have a problem with humor?

The shift is a change of what is important more than anything else.

You aren't going to disappear and pop up in another wonderland...

Nirvana is where dreams and heaven meet, I've been there...

as for raising vibrations, let me tell you a story of one of my visits...

I was standing next to a large vortex and a child walked up beside me to see what was going on.

looking down as far as we could see, were ascending Masters slowly meditating their way upwards...

When they reached our level, they didn't open their eyes and step off, they just kept meditating to raise themselves higher, some were miles in the air...

The ones that opened their eyes, saw they passed the target and stepped off floating down around us, seeing what we were looking at, they all smiled...

Have you ever wondered why the Dali Lama is always smiling and laughing?


He opened his eyes...

[Fun 4U Leader]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This thread is about drugs and alky not fake boobs. You hijacked the thread. Now Its all about fake boobs not drugs/alky and ascension. This is what PM is for! So you don't hijack a thread!

be well and love

I covered drugs and alky too, if you read the whole post.



You say that, "The Shift," is not about ascension but about drugs and alky? Thank you for clarifying that for me.

You act like it is obvious and that is as plain as the... no its not as plain as that!

Hmm! I wonder why someone would want to discuss drugs and alky in the context of the shift without discussing the ascension. Obviously, you desire to focus on drugs and alky for their own sake rather than the shift. Forgive me for my misunderstanding. I was mistaken.

But, why didn't you just title the thread, "Drugs and Alky?" Or, would the moderators have a problem with that?

I leave you to enjoy your thread whatever you think it is about. Thank you.

With love to all.